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VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

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Discussing nationality rules one needs to remember which end is dog and which end is tail. 

Nationality is good when it enables greater involvement from the public that leads to greater value for sponsors. Or enables buy in from sponsors. One adds as much or as little as is needed to get the benefits, and no more. Less if it starts to impinge on the ability of teams to assemble a crew.

Nationality could be as weak as having the flag flown. Probably want at least one crew member. After that it is just down to a team tuning the mix to suit each sponsor.

In an ideal world, when every country has a contingent of top flight professional ocean racers to pick from, we could imagine a more draconian rule; but we don't have that, and it is a waste of time worrying. I would love to see a boat fully crewed with aussies, under an Oz sponsor. I would also love someone to give me the winning numbers for this weekend's lotto draw. Both are about as likely. (And if someone does give me the numbers, I won't be using my winnings to sponsor a team.)

I find it odd that the VOR has not highlighted the individual nationalities of the crew members more. They do make it pretty clear - they have little flags next to crew member's photos, and wet weather gear has names and flags on. But that seems to be about as far as it goes. They have the basics, but never seem to leverage it. Nationality interest doesn't just need to revolve around the boat or team.  

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25 minutes ago, Francis Vaughan said:

I find it odd that the VOR has not highlighted the individual nationalities of the crew members more. They do make it pretty clear - they have little flags next to crew member's photos, and wet weather gear has names and flags on. But that seems to be about as far as it goes. They have the basics, but never seem to leverage it. Nationality interest doesn't just need to revolve around the boat or team. 

There were additional attempts, like the French and Spanish language options for the main web site, the "San/Sin Filtre" series, and separate language tweet accounts. There may have been more, vaguely recall checking some Dutch and Chinese social media links listed on the Team page. But, as a primarily English follower, rarely found much additional on those other 'national' pages, so slowly stopped checking those links each day.

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Chance for those who appreciated TTOP's campaign to vote (16 hr remaining)

Dee is currently in 2nd behind netballer nat haythornthwaite.

( cred Libby and Spedding for the heads-up)

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^^^Thanks Stief for the info. I just voted, for Dee of course. To me it is absurd for Dee to be in a contest for Sportswoman of the Month with a golfer, a netballer (I did not know what that sport was until now), and a cricket player, as the conditions under which she (and her crew) performed, and what they actually physically did, is not comparable to those activities.  Golf v. offshore racing?? Sadly Dee seems to be behind the netballer by a significant margin, albeit there do not appear to be a lot of total votes. Obviously people don't know what Dee did. 

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51 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

^^^Thanks Stief for the info. I just voted, for Dee of course. To me it is absurd for Dee to be in a contest for Sportswoman of the Month with a golfer, a netballer (I did not know what that sport was until now), and a cricket player, as the conditions under which she (and her crew) performed, and what they actually physically did, is not comparable to those activities.  Golf v. offshore racing?? Sadly Dee seems to be behind the netballer by a significant margin, albeit there do not appear to be a lot of total votes. Obviously people don't know what Dee did. 

Actually, she's doing quite well (up to 29%)  considering:

Guess there might be a bunch of netballers checking out Dee's website and what an MBE means.

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18 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

At least I don't need a straw.

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Looks like you have the technique nailed to me.

Been meaning to ask ... how's the troll-busting business going these days?

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9 hours ago, stief said:

Actually, she's doing quite well (up to 29%)  considering:

Has it come to this?  Does last place get voted off the Island?

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Has anyone asked what happened to the chase boats after the leg finished? Seems like it would be a good story for whatever journo wanted to chase.

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3 hours ago, HMM263 said:

Has anyone asked what happened to the chase boats after the leg finished? Seems like it would be a good story for whatever journo wanted to chase.

What do you mean? The RIBs used by the teams are for sale.

If you are referring to the accident during the Hague 'stopover' that had nothing to do with the VOR. It was two local boats doing their own thing.

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37 minutes ago, Potter said:

nothing to do with the VOR.

I'd check your source if I was you. One dead and another 50/50 if they're going to live. 

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4 hours ago, HMM263 said:

Has anyone asked what happened to the chase boats after the leg finished? Seems like it would be a good story for whatever journo wanted to chase.

The team RIBs were, very shortly after the VO65s docked in for the last 9official) time were driven round to the inner harbour, craned out, washed down, engines flushed through, deflated and de-logo'd, returned to VOR and put in a container for shipping (presumably for shipping to Lisbon).

I know because I was part of that process for one of the teams. I'm sure you can guess which one :-)

I can confirm what Potter said that the unfortunate collision between a ROB and a steel motor boat was entirely separate from any VOR operations

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1 minute ago, HMM263 said:

I'd check your source if I was you. One dead and another 50/50 if they're going to live. 

NO - YOU check your source. The team RIBs were not used at all for joyriding the public outside VOR or team duties.

VOR have already issued a statement that the accident, sad as it was, it did not involve a VOR RIB.

To accuse VOR of any involvement would be like blaming a soccer team because a fan drove off the road on the way home from a game.

Try listening to someone who was there like Potter or myself.

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3 hours ago, HMM263 said:

I'd check your source if I was you. One dead and another 50/50 if they're going to live. 

I'd check your life support system batteries first before you type dribble.

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1 hour ago, Rennmaus said:

Thanks Renny. Pretty fair summary, and even some of the good drone shots (whale feeding, but not the cliff run ;) ).

Good reminder what a fine edition it has been, and an easy way to send friends a quick glimpse. They still won't know the thrill of following the tracker(s) and the threads.

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I got about 3:24 mins in.  That's pretty good considering I was already over loaded with 'crew being hosed' shots. 

But the checkout the expression on the skippper's face at 3:24.  Clearly he was uncomfortable with the 'Chinese' thing.

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21 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

The complete race in 12 minutes:

 

Love it, I’ll rewatch occasionally to just remember the high- and lowlights of this edition. That three boat tie and the lost of Fish and the poor fisherman will stay with me forever. 

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Fuck, do we need a stake to the heart or a silver bullet to kill this fucker?

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On ‎7‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 5:24 AM, random said:

I got about 3:24 mins in.  That's pretty good considering I was already over loaded with 'crew being hosed' shots. 

But the checkout the expression on the skippper's face at 3:24.  Clearly he was uncomfortable with the 'Chinese' thing.

Shows how little you know you. Someone should switch off your life support, you are clearly already brain dead - and have been for some time.

Pity you didn't watch the whole vid then you would have seen his expression at the end of the race. Check the Front Page if you haven't seen it.

Asshole!

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6 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

Shows how little you know you. Someone should switch off your life support, you are clearly already brain dead - and have been for some time.

Pity you didn't watch the whole vid then you would have seen his expression at the end of the race. Check the Front Page if you haven't seen it.

Asshole!

You should step away from the bias for a bit.  Take a chill pill.   You are too close to this to be objective.

I saw the FP and yes, you are right, he does look way happier when he's not in China.

BTW it's Arsehole, just so you know.

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4 hours ago, random said:

You should step away from the bias for a bit.  Take a chill pill.   You are too close to this to be objective.

I saw the FP and yes, you are right, he does look way happier when he's not in China.

BTW it's Arsehole, just so you know.

& BTW if you had one transplanted I'm sure it would reject you

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Brunel's take on the finish:
 

 

Baaaaahhhhhh, I'm suffering from TEARS (Tracker Excessive Attention Retention Syndrome), TM @~HHN92~.
It's so bad that I even started to post in AC Anarchy again.

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7 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

Brunel's take on the finish:
 

 

Baaaaahhhhhh, I'm suffering from TEARS (Tracker Excessive Attention Retention Syndrome), TM @~HHN92~.
It's so bad that I even started to post in AC Anarchy again.

Any idea where the poem is from?  "At the end of all things is the sea ..." 

Not coming up in a Google search.

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7 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

It's so bad that I even started to post in AC Anarchy again.

Must be really bad then.

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20 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Must be really bad then.

it's bad, i clicked on the AC forum out of boredom . big mistake realized ,  and went in reverse in quick order.

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9 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

Brunel's take on the finish:
 

 

Baaaaahhhhhh, I'm suffering from TEARS (Tracker Excessive Attention Retention Syndrome), TM @~HHN92~.
It's so bad that I even started to post in AC Anarchy again.

 

That's a really well done video and great recap for "the team that almost was."

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10 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

Brunel's take on the finish:
 

 

Baaaaahhhhhh, I'm suffering from TEARS (Tracker Excessive Attention Retention Syndrome), TM @~HHN92~.
It's so bad that I even started to post in AC Anarchy again.

Quick, get to the DR. before the relapse really takes root...posting in AC Anarchy again, its getting bad.

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On 7/11/2018 at 8:21 AM, jack_sparrow said:

Golden Globe Race thread is not good but better than the fuckwits on AC plus thread drift is welcome to keep everyone awake.

Thank you for pointing me to this thread.
A couple of years ago I read the D. Crowhurst saga and watched the documentary. Unsettling stuff.
Now this year's edition... What a stupid race, but so good in its difference, especially after the VOR. Loveable. Big fun, hopefully not with a Crowhust end.

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On 7/11/2018 at 2:19 AM, Rennmaus said:

Brunel's take on the finish:
 

 

Baaaaahhhhhh, I'm suffering from TEARS (Tracker Excessive Attention Retention Syndrome), TM @~HHN92~.
It's so bad that I even started to post in AC Anarchy again.

Slo-mo crew getting hosed over-load.  Fucking silly really, there is no need for it to be like this.

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