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Yes, this is a hypothetical one, but I thought it might make an interesting thread.

So, we know the Lin Pardey's, Nancy Griffiths, and Susan Hiscocks's of this world are rare as hens teeth.  Most women do not share men's wanderlust for a life under sail.

So, you want to sail off into the sunset. Go cruising indefinitely.  Your wife / girlfriend (I refuse to use the word 'partner' when it comes to the opposite sex) doesn't want to,.

Or you have started cruising, and she wants to bail after the first ocean crossing.

So, If you had to make the choice, which are you going to choose?  

For me - boat. Couldn't care less if if I had been married 40 years, or if she has the looks of a young Bridget Bardot, or she gives better head than a porn star.
Boat, boat, and boat again.  

My reasons?  Well, I am old fashioned.  I believe a woman should stand by her man always, back his decisions.. If she doesn't want to - I am no longer interested in her being my wife / girlfriend. I don't mind input from a woman, suggestions.  But the final decision of where we go in our relationship is mine. Don't like that decision --- go.  This just doesn't apply to sailing for me. It applies to everything.

Yes, you got it - it's my way or the highway.  I know that is not PC in this day and age, but I could not care less.  I am up front, and honest about it. 

I guess I should state here that I don't believe in "soul-mates". I don't believe that a woman "completes me".  I don't put a woman on a pedestal just because she is a woman...a woman has to earn that respect.  

I'd rather part ways, than live a life on shore keeping my wife happy because she didn't want to go sailing.  Living a subservient life to a wife - nah.

Having said all that - I know how much a good woman can add to your life.  It's more than just sex - that's just one part of it.  There are truly some fantastic women out there. But even if they have the heart of Mother Teresa, and the body of Raquel Welch in her prime - if she doesn't want to live the  sailing lifestyle I want, then she goes.

How about you?

 


 

 

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Not sure if trolling or actually serious.

Let's act as if you're serious, at least for the sake of discussion. You don't want to "live a subservient life to a wife", but expect a woman in your life to live hers subservient to you (or at least, to your sailing lifestyle). At least, that seems to be the takeaway from your comments about being old fashioned, where the final decision rests, etc.

Without judgement, I'm guessing that you don't have a partner (whether you like the term or not, it's the one I use ;) ). Not because I know anything about your personality (charming or otherwise), but simply because any woman that wants to sail around the world, and has the grit to stick to that dream, is also going to have the backbone to also tell you where you can shove your "my way or the highway". As you put it, those women are rare as hen's teeth and even if you have the body of Ryan Gosling with the personality of Ryan Reynolds, you're still considering her opinion less than hers and there are a thousand other men that'll take her onboard whilst giving her opinion equal weight to theirs. Not even a sexist thing, you are simply expecting a person to give more to you than you are willing to give to them. 

That to the side, I think the answer to your question (outside it's practicality) really depends on the relationship one has with their partner. Does one derive value from the company of their loved one equal to sailing? Does parting with your partner for long periods of time make one get less joy form their surroundings? Are the memories of places you've been and things you've done better when they're with someone you love? How much is that worth to you? How invested in the relationship are you with this person - are you just starting out or have you decades of marriage under your belt already? Because it really has nothing to do with "my way or the highway"; it's about what one values more - the partner or the water.

I love sailing. Ten years ago, I didn't know a bow line from a half hitch, but in taking my son to a local sailing club - I discovered my lifelong love of the beach carried over into sailing along with nothing more than the wind to drive me. With that in mind, I've also been married twenty years to my wife, and frankly I value being able to share time and activities with her far more than I do seeing the world from a boat. Eight years ago we were discussing how far we'd be comfortable sailing but since her diagnosis of fibromyalgia, we're now toning that down to which lakes and harbours we can enjoy without burning out her physical reserves completely. The relationship preceded my even knowing sailing to remote locations was something I even wanted to do. I'm not going to end two decades of happiness because I want to cruise the world (i.e. fix the boat in remote locations ;) ). Even from a purely selfish point of view, I simply get more enjoyment from time with her than I do time apart. We'll still be cruising... but it's no longer about blue water sailing to other continents.

That said, if you're starting a relationship from scratch, it is perfectly reasonable to lay your cards on the table. If you're a sailor who is not going to give up his boat - that's something that any potential partner should know about upfront. If you think that a woman should stand by her man, no questions - I highly suggest letting them know that upfront too. They should know the kind of person they're dating well before they're on some remote island, days of sailing away from any airports. I think it only fair on her that you let her know exactly what she's getting into. Both of you deserve to know who they're going to be stuck with, alone, in the middle of the ocean, for weeks at a time. ;) 

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21 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Not sure if trolling or actually serious.

Let's act as if you're serious, at least for the sake of discussion. You don't want to "live a subservient life to a wife", but expect a woman in your life to live hers subservient to you (or at least, to your sailing lifestyle). At least, that seems to be the takeaway from your comments about being old fashioned, where the final decision rests, etc.

Without judgement, I'm guessing that you don't have a partner (whether you like the term or not, it's the one I use ;) ). Not because I know anything about your personality (charming or otherwise), but simply because any woman that wants to sail around the world, and has the grit to stick to that dream, is also going to have the backbone to also tell you where you can shove your "my way or the highway". As you put it, those women are rare as hen's teeth and even if you have the body of Ryan Gosling with the personality of Ryan Reynolds, you're still considering her opinion less than hers and there are a thousand other men that'll take her onboard whilst giving her opinion equal weight to theirs. Not even a sexist thing, you are simply expecting a person to give more to you than you are willing to give to them. 

That to the side, I think the answer to your question (outside it's practicality) really depends on the relationship one has with their partner. Does one derive value from the company of their loved one equal to sailing? Does parting with your partner for long periods of time make one get less joy form their surroundings? Are the memories of places you've been and things you've done better when they're with someone you love? How much is that worth to you? How invested in the relationship are you with this person - are you just staring out or have you decades of marriage under your belt already? Because it really has nothing to do with "my way or the highway"; it's about what one values more - the partner or the water.

I love sailing. Ten years ago, I didn't know a bow line from a half hitch, but in taking my son to a local sailing club - I discovered my lifelong love of the beach carried over into sailing along with nothing more than the wind to drive me. With that in mind, I've also been married twenty years to my wife, and frankly I value being able to share time and activities with her far more than I do seeing the world from a boat. Eight years ago we were discussing how far we'd be comfortable sailing but since her diagnosis of fibromyalgia, we're now toning that down to which lakes and harbours we can enjoy without her burning out her physical reserves completely. The relationship preceded my even knowing sailing to remote locations was something I even wanted to do. I'm not going to end two decades of happiness because I want to cruise the world (i.e. fix the boat in remote locations ;) ).

That said, if you're starting a relationship from scratch, it is perfectly reasonable to lay your cards on the table. If you're a sailor who is not going to give up his boat - that's something that any potential partner should know about upfront. If you think that a woman should stand by her man, no questions - I highly suggest letting them know that upfront too. They should know the kind of person they're dating well before they're on some remote island, days of sailing away from any airports.

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Not sure if trolling or actually serious
Answer: Why is a thread asking what others would choose "trolling"?  Don't like the thread, don't contribute to it mate.

You don't want to "live a subservient life to a wife", but expect a woman in your life to live hers subservient to you (or at least, to your sailing lifestyle)
Answer: Yes.

that you don't have a partner (whether you like the term or not, it's the one I use ;) ).
Answer: No. I personally don't like the term. Did not say anyone else could not use it. 

 is also going to have the backbone to also tell you where you can shove your "my way or the highway".
Answer: Good. Then we know where everyone stands and lives aren't spent in a wasted relationship.

you are simply expecting a person to give more to you than you are willing to give to them. 
Answer: Yes, exactly. I believe a woman benefits from being subservient to a worthy man. Men should be leaders, especially in a relationship with a woman.

 With that in mind, I've also been married twenty years to my wife, and frankly I value being able to share time and activities with her far more than I do seeing the world from a boat.
Answer: So, there you have it.  You don't want to go sailing round the world - so there is no question to answer then in relation to my thread, is their mate.

Comment from me:  I can sense in your initial couple paragraphs some antagonism that I dare ask these questions. No? Hope I am wrong there.

Don't know you from a bar of soap, but respect your right to an opinion. Thanks for contributing to the thread even if you don't want to go off sailing, thereby making the question I posed irrelevant to you.

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2 hours ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Lin Pardey's, Nancy Griffiths, and Susan Hiscocks's

By the way Bent Sailor, all three of these great sailing women followed their men to sea - not the other way round.

Just sayin'. ;)

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If PBJ isn't trolling or a sock, then the noob should post tits and fucketh off. What ever happened to tradition around here? Jeeze!

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35 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Answer: Why is a thread asking what others would choose "trolling"?  Don't like the thread, don't contribute to it mate.

You must be new here. You'll learn.

 

35 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

You don't want to "live a subservient life to a wife", but expect a woman in your life to live hers subservient to you (or at least, to your sailing lifestyle)
Answer: Yes.

And therein lies your problem. I don't expect any woman that wants to sail the world, and has the mental & physical fortitude to do so, is going to be the type to remain subservient to someone just because they expect it from their gender.

 

35 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

you are simply expecting a person to give more to you than you are willing to give to them. 
Answer: Yes, exactly. I believe a woman benefits from being subservient to a worthy man. Men should be leaders, especially in a relationship with a woman.

Thanks for putting it explicitly. I suggest, for both your happiness and that of potential partners, you lead with that on any date you take. Should save both of you a lot of wasted time.

 

35 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

With that in mind, I've also been married twenty years to my wife, and frankly I value being able to share time and activities with her far more than I do seeing the world from a boat.
Answer: So, there you have it.  You don't want to go sailing round the world - so there is no question to answer then in relation to my thread, is their mate.

And there you are wrong. I do want to sail around the world. I also want to spend time with my wife. I want two mutually exclusive things. Kind of like you want both a woman who is always subservient to you and to sail around the world. You just value one of those wants above the other. As do I.

 

35 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Comment from me:  I can sense in your initial couple paragraphs some antagonism that I dare ask these questions. No? Hope I am wrong there.

Not at all. I respect all voluntary power arrangements. As long as everyone is aware of what's involved and there is no abuse, I'm as happy to stay out of other people's relationship dynamics as I would hope they stay out of mine. 

Frankly, I am more amused at your mutually exclusive desires than anything. Subservient women are not known for their hardiness and desire to travel to exotic locations by boat. ;) 

 

46 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

By the way Bent Sailor, all three of these great sailing women followed their men to sea - not the other way round.

Just sayin'. ;)

Never said otherwise. I wouldn't consider any of them to always be subservient to their partners though. Kind of the point. ;) 

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3 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

And there you are wrong. I do want to sail around the world. I also want to spend time with my wife. I want two mutually exclusive things. Kind of like you want both a woman who is always subservient to you and to sail around the world. You just value one of those wants above the other. As do I.

Ok.  You want to sail around the world, and your wife doesn't?  So, you chose your wife over the boat. Mate, good for you. Nothing wrong with that - you do what you want to do. 

Don't worry about me learning about sailing anarchy.  I will survive the trauma of The Jims in Halifax with his oh so original "tits or fucketh off".
I will be sure to get some counselling, as barbs from a pencil neck like Jim are very traumatising.

Bent, mate, good on yah for your answers. Gotta respect a man whom taketh the time to think through his responses.

Bad luck in the cricket and soccer mate. Was rooting for you Aussies over here in the East side of the Tasman.

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3 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Ok.  You want to sail around the world, and your wife doesn't?  So, you chose your wife over the boat. Mate, good for you. Nothing wrong with that - you do what you want to do. 

No, we both want to sail the world. Fibromyalgia means that my wife cannot handle the physical rigour of doing so, we'd all prefer it if that wasn't the case.

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3 hours ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

By the way Bent Sailor, all three of these great sailing women followed their men to sea - not the other way round.

Just sayin'. ;)

You've obviously never heard of Beryl Smeeton, or if you have, you don't understand the sort of person she was. No doubt *she* was the dominant one in that relationship, and they did more things together than you'll ever manage.

FKT

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1 minute ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

You've obviously never heard of Beryl Smeeton, or if you have, you don't understand the sort of person she was. No doubt *she* was the dominant one in that relationship, and they did more things together than you'll ever manage.

FKT

Yeah ive read the autobiography 'High Endeavours' 

Extraordinary couple.  Beryl was a very strong, motivated woman. You always will find an example that goes against the norm.

Not sure I'd agree that she was the dominant one.  But she certainly was no shrinking violet.  And you know as well as I do mate, she was one out of the box.

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2 hours ago, Bent Sailor said:

And therein lies your problem. I don't expect any woman that wants to sail the world, and has the mental & physical fortitude to do so, is going to be the type to remain subservient to someone just because they expect it from their gender.

Thanks for putting it explicitly. I suggest, for both your happiness and that of potential partners, you lead with that on any date you take. Should save both of you a lot of wasted time.

Yeah - I can't see the women I know & spend time with copping his attitude any longer than a cup of coffee lasts. But then I pick them from the top 5% of the IQ & achievement pool, not the bottom 5%, which is where he's going to be fishing.

Frankly he'd be better off planning on a crew change on every port call because that's what's going to happen. There's no shortage of young women wanting a ride as crew, and I'd reckon one leg would be enough to get over his act. We all know the last word stops with the skipper, but who'd willingly sail with some prick like that? I'd immediately assume a massive inferiority/incompetence issue and run a mile.

FKT

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1 minute ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Yeah ive read the autobiography 'High Endeavours' 

Extraordinary couple.  Beryl was a very strong, motivated woman. You always will find an example that goes against the norm.

Not sure I'd agree that she was the dominant one.  But she certainly was no shrinking violet.  And you know as well as I do mate, she was one out of the box.

Then you haven't read all of their books, or books by 3rd parties that knew them well.

Dunno about one out of the box - I know at least 4 women like that. All high achievers who also manage relationships with high achieving men. You want a subservient woman because you can't handle an equal, I expect, let alone someone your intellectual superior.

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2 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Yeah - I can't see the women I know & spend time with copping his attitude any longer than a cup of coffee lasts. But then I pick them from the top 5% of the IQ & achievement pool, not the bottom 5%, which is where he's going to be fishing.

Frankly he'd be better off planning on a crew change on every port call because that's what's going to happen. There's no shortage of young women wanting a ride as crew, and I'd reckon one leg would be enough to get over his act. We all know the last word stops with the skipper, but who'd willingly sail with some prick like that? I'd immediately assume a massive inferiority/incompetence issue and run a mile.

FKT

Thats called an ad hominem attack.

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6 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Then you haven't read all of their books, or books by 3rd parties that knew them well.

Dunno about one out of the box - I know at least 4 women like that. All high achievers who also manage relationships with high achieving men. You want a subservient woman because you can't handle an equal, I expect, let alone someone your intellectual superior.

FKT

 

"...because you can't handle an equal, I expect, let alone someone your intellectual superior."

Jeezuz Fah Kiew, pull your finger out of your arse mate.  You seem to know a lot about me taken from a thread where I ask a couple simple questions. 

Your'e probably a good guy for all I know - but you may also be a prick. No idea. I could go through all your posts, but they are just posts on  the interweb, so who the fuck knows.

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PBJ,

you really should be a denizen of Cruisers Forum, where women are ‘admirals’ and they stand by their men.

Without pictures of beautiful titties, this thread is a waste. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Max Rockatansky said:

PBJ,

you really should be a denizen of Cruisers Forum, where women are ‘admirals’ and they stand by their men.

Got banned.  Told some cunt by the name of Dockhead a few home truths. And didnt help I wasnt intimidated by people with 6,000 posts, like, oh, the Rebel Heart guy, who turned out didnt what the fuck he was doing despite a large post count. 

Anyway its all good fun.  I probably having stronger views on things like Sandpaper gate in the great game of cricket than I do about my thread starter, but thought Id raise it as a topic as I do find the current climate of anti-male hysteria all a bit of bullshit, so want to see what people think as it relates to sailing.  So far its just mainly been having a crack at me - but thats Ok. 

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14 minutes ago, Max Rockatansky said:

PBJ,

you really should be a denizen of Cruisers Forum, where women are ‘admirals’ and they stand by their men.

Without pictures of beautiful titties, this thread is a waste. 

 

 

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Super imposed, but still probably fairly accurate.  Became a fan after the opening of Lost in Translation.

 

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2 minutes ago, Max Rockatansky said:

Go back and ask forgiveness, for you truly are a better fit at CF

Nah. Maybe you would be better off there mate, or just you know....ignore my thread and / or ignore me.

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3 hours ago, Jim in Halifax said:

If PBJ isn't trolling or a sock, then the noob should post tits and fucketh off. What ever happened to tradition around here? Jeeze!

I doubt he's ever seen tits.  So he should just fuck off. Quickly.

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yeah see, about that...

no curves shown, neither boats nor women
just your shitty attitude towards one of them

so why should we treat you any different.

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Just now, monsoon said:

I doubt he's ever seen tits.  So he should just fuck off. Quickly.

Yeah,,,,,nah. Think I'll hang around for a bit. But, hey you can fuck of if you want? Or not. It's all good mate either way.

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1 minute ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Yeah,,,,,nah. Think I'll hang around for a bit. But, hey you can fuck of if you want? Or not. It's all good mate either way.

No, no its not good. You're a douche. 

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1 minute ago, monsoon said:

No, no its not good. You're a douche. 

Oh sorry mate.  I will take your barb at me ..."douche" in the spirit intended.

Ok...now - fuck off ;)

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7 minutes ago, Simon75 said:

yeah see, about that...

no curves shown, neither boats nor women
just your shitty attitude towards one of them

so why should we treat you any different.

"so why should we treat you any different." 

You think I give a fuck what you "treat" me like on an internet forum?  

Hey, here is a novel idea, go back the the OP and answer the question.

Or not. 

Really, I don't give a fuck what you do bro.

Bad luck in the Soccer. Damn shame.

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9 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Oh sorry mate.  I will take your barb at me ..."douche" in the spirit intended.

If so you'll throw yourself off a tall building.

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20 minutes ago, monsoon said:

If so you'll throw yourself off a tall building.

Ha ha. Well I am Super. So man, maybe I can fucking fly? 

Jeezus only the Port Maquire Aussie has given a decent reply.  His wife is crook, and that is fair enough. I respect that. Can't sail long distances when you are crook. let around round the world.

For the rest of you - so far - didn't realize SA was a place for white knight social justice warriors - but hey, I guess where in the era of androgyny where schoolboys can wear skirts to school, you no longer should keep the score in case you hurt the losing teams feelings, and boys being boys means they are diagnosed with ADD for pulling a girls pony tail.

Jeezuz, I can almost understand why some people voted Trump.  Almost.

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2 minutes ago, Max Rockatansky said:

A little dark spice

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Watch out Max, you'll upset Simon the German posting pictures of naked women. Such disrespect!.

Looks like a better boob job than la vag.

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Yikes. It doesn't seem like you are the type of guy who should have to worry about that choice, since

a) choosing your partner over the boat doesn't seem like its a real option anyway,

b) even if it was, i doubt its the boat that would keep your partner from wanting to sail off in this imaginary situation.

So now that that is done, I am curious what your thoughts are on team Sail Like a Girl winning the R2AK...

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1 minute ago, freewheelin said:

 

So now that that is done, I am curious what your thoughts are on team Sail Like a Girl winning the R2AK...

Mate, it's great.

Read the OP again. It's not in Braille - you can read. Think about what I am saying. Think about it bro....it's not an anti-women post.

Don't be a blue pill bitch and think women want a man they can boss around. Don't buy into it mate.  

But like the Hodge Twins say..."do whatever the fuck you wanna dooooooooooooooooooo"

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7 hours ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Yes, you got it - it's my way or the highway.  I know that is not PC in this day and age, but I could not care less.  I am up front, and honest about it. 

I guess I should state here that I don't believe in "soul-mates". I don't believe that a woman "completes me".  I don't put a woman on a pedestal just because she is a woman...a woman has to earn that respect.  

So, PBJ makes the thread all about his character.  (Or lack thereof, depending on your viewpoint).

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2 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Yeah - I can't see the women I know & spend time with copping his attitude any longer than a cup of coffee lasts. But then I pick them from the top 5% of the IQ & achievement pool, not the bottom 5%, which is where he's going to be fishing.

Frankly he'd be better off planning on a crew change on every port call because that's what's going to happen. There's no shortage of young women wanting a ride as crew, and I'd reckon one leg would be enough to get over his act. We all know the last word stops with the skipper, but who'd willingly sail with some prick like that? I'd immediately assume a massive inferiority/incompetence issue and run a mile.

Thats called an ad hominem attack.

But when someone calls him out on his character, he whines.

I made no comment, but downvoted a few of his posts ... and promptly got an angry-hurt PM from him :D

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It seems that PJB fancies himself as some sort of cross between a Hemingway-type man-of-the-sea and a Commander in the Handmaid's Tale ... but he more he posts the more he reveals himself to be some sort of cross between incel and broflake.

After reading his first post I was going to suggest that a man like him should have "MCP" tattooed on his forehead.  But the more be posts, the less I think that is needed. PJB's inadequacies are as transparent as the clear, sparkling water over a coral reef to which he will only ever sail solo.

 

 

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After divorce I covertly used a Bucc 18 to screen dates.  One hot blond went home crying after the wind gusted to 15 knots, but saved me a lot of grief.   The one that passed may not join me for a long weekend again, let alone a week, but at least she daysails (though not on the Bucc, she now prefers the comfort of the R22.   She’d sail more if I had a heater and AC).    If we ignore the sock’s troll farm, this does bring up a real question.    How much of the two footitis syndrome relates to luxury to entice a less enthusiastic companion?   How much is plain Bowerbird behavior?

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11 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Mate, it's great.

Agreed on that friend.

You married? Cause if you think the journey involves anyone being the boss, you may have found the wrong jelly there PB.

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Oooh.  Another PM from MJP:

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Oh I get it. The notifications I am getting from you are you downgrading my rating.

Yeah good. Downgrade me. That REALLY hurts a lot.  

What a stupid cunt. You think I give a shit? What a little bitch you are.

Do you feel "powerful" and "important".  What a fuckwit.

Poor wee broflake.  I blame his mummy: she should have breastfed him, and should have cuddled him more.

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10 minutes ago, Lark said:

After divorce I covertly used a Bucc 18 to screen dates.  One hot blond went home crying after the wind gusted to 15 knots, but saved me a lot of grief.   The one that passed may not join me for a long weekend again, let alone a week, but at least she daysails (though not on the Bucc, she now prefers the comfort of the R22.   She’d sail more if I had a heater and AC).    If we ignore the sock’s troll farm, this does bring up a real question.    How much of the two footitis syndrome relates to luxury to entice a less enthusiastic companion?   How much is plain Bowerbird behavior?

I'm the sort of woman whose response to the development of whitecaps on the waves is to suggest we head out to open water and hoist a spinnaker.

But I grew up on the water, and spent my early teenage years with other girls who got as much fun as I did out of capsizing in a ball of sea-spray.

I wish every girl could be raised with the same experiences.  It seems to be hard for women to get past the fear if they haven't built confidence at an early age.

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8 hours ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Yes, this is a hypothetical one, but I thought it might make an interesting thread.

So, we know the Lin Pardey's, Nancy Griffiths, and Susan Hiscocks's of this world are rare as hens teeth.  Most women do not share men's wanderlust for a life under sail.

So, you want to sail off into the sunset. Go cruising indefinitely.  Your wife / girlfriend (I refuse to use the word 'partner' when it comes to the opposite sex) doesn't want to,.

Or you have started cruising, and she wants to bail after the first ocean crossing.

So, If you had to make the choice, which are you going to choose?  

For me - boat. Couldn't care less if if I had been married 40 years, or if she has the looks of a young Bridget Bardot, or she gives better head than a porn star.
Boat, boat, and boat again.  

My reasons?  Well, I am old fashioned.  I believe a woman should stand by her man always, back his decisions.. If she doesn't want to - I am no longer interested in her being my wife / girlfriend. I don't mind input from a woman, suggestions.  But the final decision of where we go in our relationship is mine. Don't like that decision --- go.  This just doesn't apply to sailing for me. It applies to everything.

Yes, you got it - it's my way or the highway.  I know that is not PC in this day and age, but I could not care less.  I am up front, and honest about it. 

I guess I should state here that I don't believe in "soul-mates". I don't believe that a woman "completes me".  I don't put a woman on a pedestal just because she is a woman...a woman has to earn that respect.  

I'd rather part ways, than live a life on shore keeping my wife happy because she didn't want to go sailing.  Living a subservient life to a wife - nah.

Having said all that - I know how much a good woman can add to your life.  It's more than just sex - that's just one part of it.  There are truly some fantastic women out there. But even if they have the heart of Mother Teresa, and the body of Raquel Welch in her prime - if she doesn't want to live the  sailing lifestyle I want, then she goes.

How about you?

Let me guess - you're single.

 

Where's my cookie?

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9 hours ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

not PC in this day and age, but I could not care less.  I am up front, and honest about it. 

 

Oh.... I see.... You're an asshole. 

 

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Neolithic man is still roaming the planet and learnt how to use a keyboard as well. 

:P

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How the hell did we get douche "blue pill" incel "return of kings" shithead in here :unsure:

WTF?

To the OP - go over to PA. Plenty of people waiting for you just about 3 forums over and leave us to sailing in here. Thanks in advance for your cooperation ;)

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10 hours ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

 I believe a woman should stand by her man always, back his decisions.. If she doesn't want to - I am no longer interested in her being my wife / girlfriend. I don't mind input from a woman, suggestions.  But the final decision of where we go in our relationship is mine. Don't like that decision --- go.  This just doesn't apply to sailing for me. It applies to everything.

Yes, you got it - it's my way or the highway. 

If I were stuck in a relationship like that, I'd want to get on a boat and leave her, too.

 

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2 hours ago, TwoLegged said:

I wish every girl could be raised with the same experiences.  It seems to be hard for women to get past the fear if they haven't built confidence at an early age.

Couldn't it just be their male companion doesn't inspire confidence in his competence to handle a given situation and she probably senses he doesn't want her to develop her own competence and challenge his control? I could be just over analyzing here but you sound a lot like my wife and daughter, both of whom are terrific crew and companions on a boat. Unfortunately, my wife gets seasick the instant we clear the harbor. 

Anyway, like Bent I choose the  wife. Sailing is part of who I am but it doesn't define me. I have other pursuits, some my wife shares and some she doesn't, but I always come home to her when they've run their course. 

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Troll.

Ignore switch on, or maybe off. I can never get that straight.

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It's full of solo cruisers with this mentality out there. Better alone that making efforts.

Luckily there is ton of free pornography available nowadays. And still places where you can buy a woman

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There was a guy on here a few months back, similar attitude, username started with K, I think.  Sounds like the same guy.  Same ego, gets his back up super quick.... If he starts telling us how much he makes in a year and posts pictures of the car he claims he drives then it's a sock for sure. 

Anybody else remember that one? 

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16 hours ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Yes, this is a hypothetical one, but I thought it might make an interesting thread.

So, we know the Lin Pardey's, Nancy Griffiths, and Susan Hiscocks's of this world are rare as hens teeth.  Most women do not share men's wanderlust for a life under sail.

So, you want to sail off into the sunset. Go cruising indefinitely.  Your wife / girlfriend (I refuse to use the word 'partner' when it comes to the opposite sex) doesn't want to,.

Or you have started cruising, and she wants to bail after the first ocean crossing.

So, If you had to make the choice, which are you going to choose?  

For me - boat. Couldn't care less if if I had been married 40 years, or if she has the looks of a young Bridget Bardot, or she gives better head than a porn star.
Boat, boat, and boat again.  

My reasons?  Well, I am old fashioned.  I believe a woman should stand by her man always, back his decisions.. If she doesn't want to - I am no longer interested in her being my wife / girlfriend. I don't mind input from a woman, suggestions.  But the final decision of where we go in our relationship is mine. Don't like that decision --- go.  This just doesn't apply to sailing for me. It applies to everything.

Yes, you got it - it's my way or the highway.  I know that is not PC in this day and age, but I could not care less.  I am up front, and honest about it. 

I guess I should state here that I don't believe in "soul-mates". I don't believe that a woman "completes me".  I don't put a woman on a pedestal just because she is a woman...a woman has to earn that respect.  

I'd rather part ways, than live a life on shore keeping my wife happy because she didn't want to go sailing.  Living a subservient life to a wife - nah.

Having said all that - I know how much a good woman can add to your life.  It's more than just sex - that's just one part of it.  There are truly some fantastic women out there. But even if they have the heart of Mother Teresa, and the body of Raquel Welch in her prime - if she doesn't want to live the  sailing lifestyle I want, then she goes.

How about you?

I think we need more info on your case.

For instance, what is your age and socioeconomic status? Are you looking for a woman to join you to sail the seven seas on your Oyster 625 where you will pay for dockage in nice ports on a regular basis, do inland excursions, and fly home for family, health care, and just because -- whenever you need or want to?

Or are you talking about an Irwin 37 with the stench of head in the master cabin that will not go away until you replace all the wastewater system? Where you will always anchor, eat whatever you can scrape together, and theorize about getting odd jobs when you run out of money?

These are two different Tinder profiles all together, so let's hear your details, mate.

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Hold on.

I'm at -6. 

I was already at -5 hours ago and have had many notifications since- that means I gots me a couple up-voters . 

Hey Two Legged...you are a female? Answer the OP or fuck off.

And the same for the rest of you White Knight toolbags.  Look how defensive you little doormats got over a wee little post.

No wonder America is full of softjaw beat down little boys with MAGA hats that voted for an Orange con-artist.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, lasal said:

I think we need more info on your case.

For instance, what is your age and socioeconomic status? Are you looking for a woman to join you to sail the seven seas on your Oyster 625 where you will pay for dockage in nice ports on a regular basis, do inland excursions, and fly home for family, health care, and just because -- whenever you need or want to?

Or are you talking about an Irwin 37 with the stench of head in the master cabin that will not go away until you replace all the wastewater system? Where you will always anchor, eat whatever you can scrape together, and theorize about getting odd jobs when you run out of money?

These are two different Tinder profiles all together, so let's hear your details, mate.

No mate.

This is not about my situation.  I made an OP asked a few questions and stated a few opinions about who should lead in a sailing relationship.

So, answer the questions, or fuck off ;)

 

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7 hours ago, TwoLegged said:

I'm the sort of woman whose response to the development of whitecaps on the waves is to suggest we head out to open water and hoist a spinnaker.

But I grew up on the water, and spent my early teenage years with other girls who got as much fun as I did out of capsizing in a ball of sea-spray.

I wish every girl could be raised with the same experiences.  It seems to be hard for women to get past the fear if they haven't built confidence at an early age.

Boat ownership is not a Japanese tradition, and there are very few of either gender around here with youth sailing experience.   I chose my Dad wisely.    Now I need to find some Japanese language, or at least female role model intermediate training videos that have subtitles. 

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I just returned from a three week cruise with the family. Wife, two daughters. Nice boat with full suit of sails, 100hp turbo diesel, genset, two ACs, 200 gallons of fresh water, 50 gallons holding. FIve nights in nice marinas. Everybody happy. Including me. Good luck mate.

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6 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Hey Two Legged...you are a female? Answer the OP or fuck off.

Listen up sweetie pie ... this is Cruising Anarchy, and I'll answer or ignore questions as I choose.

But I do have a question for you, if you choose to answer it:

Why did your mum not breastfeed you?

 

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Just now, TwoLegged said:

Listen up sweetie pie ... this is Cruising Anarchy, and I'll answer or ignore questions as I choose.

But I do have a question for you, if you choose to answer it:

Why did your mum not breastfeed you?

 

Go back to your vibrator and six cats.

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16 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Hold on.

I'm at -6. 

I was already at -5 hours ago and have had many notifications since- that means I gots me a couple up-voters . 

Hey Two Legged...you are a female? Answer the OP or fuck off.

And the same for the rest of you White Knight toolbags.  Look how defensive you little doormats got over a wee little post.

No wonder America is full of softjaw beat down little boys with MAGA hats that voted for an Orange con-artist.

 

Close to a new record - already on ignore.

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5 minutes ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Go back to your vibrator and six cats.

With such lovely chat-up lines, how can such a charming man have failed to find the devotedly submissive wife who he so obviously deserves?

 

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If I were a woman I’d sail with you. When your shit got old I’d flick you off with a crash jibe and sail away in my new boat. I’d sell everything on it that didn’t have a title, and then sell the empty hull to pirates. You can tell a lot about people by what they’re willing to put in writing publicly. Your OP is not even an interesting thought experiment. I have powers, which I’m always keen to use, so you’ve been hexed. You’ll never sail your hypothetical trip and, according to my lovely wife, who had a good laugh at your expense , you’ll be pounding your own pud for the foreseeable future. Ha ha ha. 

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13 minutes ago, kevinjones16 said:

If I were a woman I’d sail with you. When your shit got old I’d flick you off with a crash jibe and sail away in my new boat. I’d sell everything on it that didn’t have a title, and then sell the empty hull to pirates. You can tell a lot about people by what they’re willing to put in writing publicly. Your OP is not even an interesting thought experiment. I have powers, which I’m always keen to use, so you’ve been hexed. You’ll never sail your hypothetical trip and, according to my lovely wife, who had a good laugh at your expense , you’ll be pounding your own pud for the foreseeable future. Ha ha ha. 

Ha ha ha. Look's like a simple little thread has brought out all the little kooks and weirdo's.

Don't worry about your hex's, the church has already deemed me a life of hell in the fiery depths of satan's cesspool for not following the gospels.

But hey, little slackjaw - I have a question.  Did you type your tough talk while getting pegged with a strap-on by your "lovely wife"? 

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You’re not very creative with the insult game, and I’m still younger, fitter, better looking and wealthier than you—with a wife AND a boat! Last poster is an asshat . . . aaaand, Go!

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22 minutes ago, kevinjones16 said:

You’re not very creative with the insult game, and I’m still younger, fitter, better looking and wealthier than you—with a wife AND a boat! Last poster is an asshat . . . aaaand, Go!

Ha ha. Nah bro - the only asshat is kevinjones.

Now toddle off and go back to being fucked in the ass by your transvestite wife - problem is, you'd love it, don't yuh.

 

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3 hours ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

Ha ha. Nah bro - the only asshat is kevinjones.

Now toddle off and go back to being fucked in the ass by your transvestite wife - problem is, you'd love it, don't yuh.

 

How’s that Mac26 working out for you?

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Me thinks that in an effort to graduate from Newbie (as am I) to old salt, hoping to elicit response-ready comments delivered to his doorstep, PBJ copied an antagonistic post from another forum, plagiarized and then modified it to suit a sailing forum.

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6 hours ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

No mate.

This is not about my situation.  I made an OP asked a few questions and stated a few opinions about who should lead in a sailing relationship.

So, answer the questions, or fuck off ;)

 

I know you don't like the idea of a 'partner' but that is how successful sailing life works - or you single hand. My wife (PhD in physics, near Olympic athlete) was the one who chose circumnavigation from a list of options I made for her. She came to sailing later in life but learned quickly and proved to be essentially fearless, but she needed to be treated as a partner in the experience and not as a dumb chattel. if your posting is real you will be single-handing so your question is a useless one to ask since no self-respecting woman would give you the time of day.

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5 minutes ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

 if your posting is real you will be single-handing so your question is a useless one to ask since no self-respecting woman would give you the time of day.

I think that's his current situation, added to the fact that he doesn't actually own an ocean-capable sailboat anyway so all of this is just the usual internet onanism.

From my POV the person in charge of the boat, who gets to make the final decisions, is the CAPTAIN. Full stop. The sex (gender) of the captain is irrelevant, all that matters is their ability to make good decisions under pressure if required.

I wouldn't willingly cross the road with someone who had to be right regardless of anything else simply because the other person was of a different sex/gender. If I was back home I'd dig up one of the books I collected; it was written from the woman's POV after sailing with someone who always had to be right, even when he wasn't.

FWIW I've met a lot more Type A arseholes of the male gender than female. But then I like women and they generally like me.

FKT

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Peanut may be destined to single hand or maybe he could journey to the East and purchase a compliant bit of fluff.

There is always one or more lonely angry grumpy single male on Dads Dream in most anchorages.

Never seen the female equivalent.

Two up and sharing the effort is more fun and makes for the very real possibility of a happy end to most days.

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19 minutes ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

no self-respecting woman would give you the time of day

Ah, I dunno.  It can occasionally be amusing to spend a little time playing with the overblown egos of misogynists like Peanut. 

I have fond memories of a group of us once winding one of them up for two hours before he belatedly twigged and fled. However, care must be taken, because this type of man can turn rapidly violent when their sense of entitlement is threatened.  I'd never tangle with one alone

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This thread makes me realize what a lucky SOB I am. 

For about the fifth time today...

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I was in contact with the Pardey’s back in the late 90’s. Lynn Pardey didn’t follow her husband. They planned and went together and she cooked, cleaned and wrote the books and maintained the website blogs- not because she was subservient- because she was motivated and loves what she does. You’ll never get that in a woman luckily.

Two Legs would stow you down below and forget about you as she circumnavigated...

PBJ, you sat on the couch and read Dummies Guide To Trolling The Internet

Oh yeah, fuck off newbie and don’t come back!

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And your welcome for the 7 or 8 downvotes! 

Digital demerits for a digital dumass

I think this is the first time I’ve had to use that thing

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I just think LB should get back on his meds and stopping using a sock...  :D

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39 minutes ago, Veeger said:

I just think LB should get back on his meds and stopping using a sock...  :D

That’s classic!

he doesn’t wear socks from what I understand...

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16 hours ago, Lark said:

Boat ownership is not a Japanese tradition, and there are very few of either gender around here with youth sailing experience.   I chose my Dad wisely.    Now I need to find some Japanese language, or at least female role model intermediate training videos that have subtitles. 

We have a Japanese lady on the crew of the OPB I race, and she's a really good sailor (and speaks more languages than I can count).  You may not be near San Diego, but she'd be a great role model.  Come on out and we'll get you on a boat. 

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1 hour ago, Kirwan said:

We have a Japanese lady on the crew of the OPB I race, and she's a really good sailor (and speaks more languages than I can count).  You may not be near San Diego, but she'd be a great role model.  Come on out and we'll get you on a boat. 

If I find my way there I’ll take you up on it,   Just meeting and spending several minutes talking to Gail Gleasor of sage marine was big,   She was raised in a culture of gender stereotypes.   She came here as rebellion but still struggles with them, 

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9 hours ago, Sail4beer said:

 

Oh yeah, fuck off newbie and don’t come back!

Jeezuz mate. So tough - I am so scared of tough guys like you.

What a fucking seppo wimp. 

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12 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

This thread makes me realize what a lucky SOB I am. 

For about the fifth time today...

What you don't realise is that most posters on this forum think you are the living example of a loud mouth ugly american seppo fuckface.  
You all can stop nodding your head now.

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Peanut it’s your potty mouth that is the dead giveaway.

Got four year olds at our kindergarten that can string more comprehensible words together in one sentence than you have in your entire posts here to date.

Unfortunately for you our centre is full but please make the effort to enroll elsewhere.

 

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So, my little thread has come to an end as far as I am concerned.

Now, little bitches, go look at your responses in the 'Girl in with Patreon Account sails in hot place' or whatever 'Dylan Drop Me A Dime' named that thread.

Look at your envious postings about those "dickhead guys pimping off their wife or girlfriend" - which you all say you don't watch , but obviously do, with inherent interest as you play with Mrs Palmer and her five daughters, or in Two Legged case furiously pump that dildo into her pus infested twat.

And look at all your misogynistic comments towards the women in that thread.  What a bunch of fuckwits.

Here's the gist you lot are jealous as fuck, and full of hypocritical stench that would make visiting the dunny after BJ Porter shits out three months worth of cheese-burgers that have been brewing in the inside of his fat American arse - actually smell good!

So, without further ado I leave with you fucking jealous losers with a parting gift from that true American Statesman, the man in black

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Leaving?  Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Well that’s an almost interesting turn of events. But not unheard of here. :P

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1 hour ago, Peanutbutterjars said:

So, my little thread has come to an end as far as I am concerned.

Now, little bitches, [snip juvenile swearing]

I'm disappointed in this troll.  No stamina.

He couldn't even keep his thread going to a second page before flaming out.

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55 minutes ago, TwoLegged said:

I'm disappointed in this troll.  No stamina.

He couldn't even keep his thread going to a second page before flaming out.

That was a troll? Trolled himself. Zero points.

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58 minutes ago, TwoLegged said:

I'm disappointed in this troll.  No stamina.

He couldn't even keep his thread going to a second page before flaming out.

He’ll be back. 

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