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Woohoo! We did it! We finally located a sweet and sexy F-16 Falcon and brought her home. She is beautiful.

Soo, ahh, we brought home everything but a tiller. Oops. No biggie, but what are you using for a tiller? 

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Arriba is no longer in production of their carbon tiller extensions last I checked with them. While the fiberglass ones work and for some boats they are the only class legal options, once you use a carbon one you won't go back.

Goodall supply a fixed carbon tiller that is pretty good as well but I prefer adjustable on the F-18, especially in light air. 

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Make one! I'm not a fan of adjustable, and needed a new tiler extension and tiler bar for my Tornado, so I bought the carbon poles, tiler extension joint and made it up, for a bit less than buying it would have cost! For the tiler bar, I picked up some delrin rod for either end and drilled it. 

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Use a round carbon or grp sailbatten, 10 mm. Find a stiffer one, some of them are rather soft. They can be had in any length and are flexible, so don't break when in use. 

So go and ask you local sailmaker, these battens cost hardly anything.

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Used to use Ronstan carbon ones but broke a few.

These days aluminium tube around 20mm, cheap as, bend it? can straighten it out a few times.

Weight difference is not that much to carbon.

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A rubber Link is mostly better, but this solution doesn't work with an adjustable tiller extention. For most situations a fixed one is better anyway. Especially quick maneuvers and it eliminates one cause of an error. 

If you are looking for a cheap solution, visit your nearest gardening or construction store and buy a bamboo stick. But a rubber link in, secure it with a screw and tape. If you prefer a bigger diameter than you can reduce the diameter by using a flexible hose usually used by electricians.  

An adjustable one make sense when you are in an area with light winds and it makes more sense on an F18. But if you want one I think the Hobie Wildcat tiller extension is the best. (Much better than the Nacra) 

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39 minutes ago, furr_ball said:

Used to use Ronstan carbon ones but broke a few.

These days aluminium tube around 20mm, cheap as, bend it? can straighten it out a few times.

Weight difference is not that much to carbon.

I like this idea. The Ronstan carbons are nice, but they do break. Where do you get your aluminum tube?

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the solution to breaking tillers is to drive overhand (like throwing a dart) rather than underarm.  means if you come of trapeze you leave the tiller behind rather than tapping it under your armpit.

 

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5 hours ago, SCARECROW said:

the solution to breaking tillers is to drive overhand (like throwing a dart) rather than underarm.  means if you come of trapeze you leave the tiller behind rather than tapping it under your armpit.

 

I think you just have to train your brain not to hold onto the solid feeling thing that you're holding as you fall off the back! Took me a few capsizes before I held onto the mainsheet and let go of the tiler, (although once you have snapped it, hold onto the other half as it could be useful!). 

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22 hours ago, mookiesurfs said:

I like this idea. The Ronstan carbons are nice, but they do break. Where do you get your aluminum tube?

Lots of suppliers online, although unlike carbon, the shipping cost is usually more than the tube, so worth buying several lengths so you have spares. Also, how tall are you? I'm 2m tall, and find I need a tube longer than 2.5m to be comfortable, but often the max length is 2.5m, so I end up with one smaller that fits into the other (either carbon or aluminium). 

I have an aluminium stick on my Dart 18  (class legal for single handed sailing) and a carbon one on my Tornado. Similar lengths, and the carbon is significantly lighter and easy to manage! Also, if you're in a cold climate, aluminium leaches the warmth from your hands far more quickly than carbon!

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congrats on the acquisition - pics?

boat comes with the battlestick - that's been a pretty reliable tiller for us. there's also a super-gucci alternative from Martin Malcheski if you like light and adjustable.

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On 7/16/2018 at 10:49 PM, mookiesurfs said:

I like this idea. The Ronstan carbons are nice, but they do break. Where do you get your aluminum tube?

 

I'm in Oz, if you come to Brisbane, go to Capral....

I will shout you lunch.

You would need to find aluminium supplier near you, not online as freight would be issue.

You want approx. 20mm outside dia. and 1.6mm wall thickness works.

Then put a few wraps of grip tape where you hang on to it.

 

For scarecrow.....and others

Overhand / underhand, nup, breaking trapeze lines and in before you can let go, breaking extension across side of hull.

Regardless, aluminium tube still way cheaper and little weight benefit, also a little longer than stock carbon extensions available. if you like a longer extension

Tube $20 for 6.5m section equals 2 x 2.5m extensions, so $10 bucks each, carbon tiller around $160? for one, rather spend the spare money at the bar.

Weight? 2.5m ronstan battlestick is 310 g / aluminium 2.5m is 600g, yep almost double but still only 600g and only 300g extra.

 

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if you're holding the tiller so tight it breaks rather than pulls out of your hand you have a helm balance issue.  25 years of cat sailing and I've only ever broken tillers on the beach.

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17 minutes ago, SCARECROW said:

if you're holding the tiller so tight it breaks rather than pulls out of your hand you have a helm balance issue.  25 years of cat sailing and I've only ever broken tillers on the beach.

I was crewing for a bloke who's trap broke, he took the tiller with him in 25 knots of breeze. Only time I've been on a boat when ones broken aside from adjustable ones shitting themselves. Much prefer the ol straight tube, carbon if affordable.

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This is what I'm talking about.  Aussie kid comes of trap he can't help but leave the tiller extension behind.  When the guy from Uruguay falls in, the extension either ends up trapped under his armpit or at best his body drags it aft with him.  If they were going upwind and he was standing further forward it would probably end up under the stbd tiller/stock and would snap in a second.

 

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22 hours ago, SCARECROW said:

if you're holding the tiller so tight it breaks rather than pulls out of your hand you have a helm balance issue.  25 years of cat sailing and I've only ever broken tillers on the beach.

 

Man.......you seem to know so much about my sailing and cat.....

I'm pleased for your 25 years sailing and only broke a tiller on the beach.

See I haven't done that....must be an operator issue....;):D

 

No helm balance issues, very balanced thanks and I don't hold it tight.

It really was simple, trap broke, twice in fact, and was in before I could let go.

Went stuff paying for carbon again when I can do aluminium for peanuts.

 

Enjoy your sailing.

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