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Blood sacrifices - how it made you a better sailor

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This is to bring in the rest of you from the Dinghy Forum:

Most of my blood letting was not from dinghies but from MORC on up to sleds and maxies.

My most creative bleeding was when I was on a SC50 and I was sliding across the cabin top near the traveler during tacks.   I managed to slide my butt cheek into a clam cleat for the leeward traveler control, so I had built up a good amount of speed upon arrival.   I was abruptly well cleated at that point.

Upon reversing the direction of my slide, i proceeded to leave a nice red trail on the cabin top.   I learned, no more sliding for me that day, or in the future!

The Most of the other blood events were from meathooks on wire halyards, sheets and guys.   All were a reminder to break out the sailing knife and have a break off session on each offending wire line.

- Stumbling

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Meat hooks in wire tailed halyards and sheets. Makes me miss the good old IOR days.

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19 minutes ago, Caca Cabeza said:

Meat hooks in wire tailed halyards and sheets. Makes me miss the good old IOR days.

You forgot the sarcasm font.

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I have always had a (bad?) habit of not wanting to wear shoes on the boat in the summer. When I was much younger, my friend had a bad habit of using silicone-based tire conditioning sprays to keep the forward hatches on his Santana 20 shiny and haze free.... and very very slippery. During a particularly hairy race on the Detroit River, we decided to switch from our mylar 155 to the heavy dacron 105 when it started to really blow. I hanked on the new jib below the old one on the forestay while under spinnaker, then unhanked the 155 and as I was stuffing it down below, I slid down across the slippery hatch and tore open the bottom of my foot on a jib car track with no end cap. The skipper called for a gybe while I was up there and I proceeded to leave a trail of very distinct blood footprints all over the dacron jib. 

My friend ran across his former boat last summer at a regatta, and 18 years later, my blood footprints are still on that heavy-air jib. 

Did it make me a better sailor? I don't know. I still don't wear shoes on the boat when it's warm out, but I became really good at being aware of my foot placement when I was on the foredeck after that.

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3 hours ago, ajbram said:

I have always had a (bad?) habit of not wanting to wear shoes on the boat in the summer. When I was much younger, my friend had a bad habit of using silicone-based tire conditioning sprays to keep the forward hatches on his Santana 20 shiny and haze free.... and very very slippery. During a particularly hairy race on the Detroit River, we decided to switch from our mylar 155 to the heavy dacron 105 when it started to really blow. I hanked on the new jib below the old one on the forestay while under spinnaker, then unhanked the 155 and as I was stuffing it down below, I slid down across the slippery hatch and tore open the bottom of my foot on a jib car track with no end cap. The skipper called for a gybe while I was up there and I proceeded to leave a trail of very distinct blood footprints all over the dacron jib. 

My friend ran across his former boat last summer at a regatta, and 18 years later, my blood footprints are still on that heavy-air jib. 

Did it make me a better sailor? I don't know. I still don't wear shoes on the boat when it's warm out, but I became really good at being aware of my foot placement when I was on the foredeck after that.

I don't allow anyone to go barefoot on my boat during races.  Have the same rule about velcro sandals.  It's a friggin' race...dress like it. 

Too many times, barefoot crew would cut their foot, get a jammed toe, fall on their ass.  Had someone break a toe kicking the shroud base running forward to do an emergency spin takedown.  That ended in a mess and the end of barefoot bow people.  

The last line of the IOR rule was apparently "If you're not bleeding, you aren't racing."  That does NOT need to be true.  

(p.s. They need to buy a new genoa.) 

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2 hours ago, Left Shift said:

I don't allow anyone to go barefoot on my boat during races. 

Plus a million.  A sailboat offers every opportunity to slice your feet open at every turn and anyone who doesn't wear reasonable footwear is putting the boat at risk.  They cut their foot bad enough, now you're dropping out to get them medical attention.  On a delivery, who cares.  

On the meathooks, YES.  But I never remember a band aid, electrical and duct tape yes, but no band aids. 

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1 minute ago, Cal20sailor said:

Plus a million.  A sailboat offers every opportunity to slice your feet open at every turn and anyone who doesn't wear reasonable footwear is putting the boat at risk.  They cut their foot bad enough, now you're dropping out to get them medical attention.  On a delivery, who cares.  

On the meathooks, YES.  But I never remember a band aid, electrical and duct tape yes, but no band aids. 

Friggin' bandaids never stayed on.  Duct tape and a wad of paper towel.  

Used to run the back of a knife along every wire halyard and sheet before every race, and still sliced my palm or my sailing gloves way too often.

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Catalina 37, reefed so boom end a bit lower than I was used to.  Was turned the wrong way and never saw the accidental jibe coming--unusual for me, but there you have it.  Came to 15 minutes later, with my t-shirt having been used as the absorber of blood.  It was rather red.  ER and four stitches later and I was 70% okay and 30% confused.  13 years later I would put that at 90/10, but getting older makes it hard to parse out.

This may not be what OP was shooting for, but anyway.  Haven't been knocked out since.  Woo hoo.

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Like I always say for just about everything..."Progress is not made without a little bleeding"

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1 hour ago, Left Shift said:

Used to run the back of a knife along every wire halyard and sheet before every race, and still sliced my palm or my sailing gloves way too often.

We all did.  And we would run our hands over that stretch where the halyards make the turning block under pressure and we would all smile saying no more meat hooks today.  I am now convinced that all we did was the old wife's tale that if you shaved it, it came back more aggressive.  The afterguys never seemed so bad.  I just thank God I was able to race on SC70s vs IOR70s.  My worst wire experiences were in the early 80's on a 45'.  No wire anything long before I was on the 70.

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7 hours ago, Left Shift said:

I don't allow anyone to go barefoot on my boat during races.  Have the same rule about velcro sandals.  It's a friggin' race...dress like it. 

Too many times, barefoot crew would cut their foot, get a jammed toe, fall on their ass.  Had someone break a toe kicking the shroud base running forward to do an emergency spin takedown.  That ended in a mess and the end of barefoot bow people.  

The last line of the IOR rule was apparently "If you're not bleeding, you aren't racing."  That does NOT need to be true.  

(p.s. They need to buy a new genoa.) 

I had a lot of experience of re-setting my own toes both on and off of a sailboat (second part of the meaning behind Stumblingthunder!)   Boat shoe bottoms aways wore out or hardened up so they did not stick so well to the deck.    Life got better went Harken came out with their boat shoe!

I did a lot of sailboard racing (teak-boomed Windsurfers, Superlights, One-design and finally Superlight IIs) and once I came ashore and put both feet on top of a rock with barnacles.   Duct tape was my savior that weekend.    After having poured hydrogen peroxide on both feet, I taped up the cut up areas and left some skin available for traction.   Had a few more blisters from the reduced friction area for the weekend, but made it through the regatta.  

I am amazed now that I did not get some infection.    I hear about all these necrotic infections from salt water now that I never had heard of growing up.   Salt water was the go to for cuts and rashes back then.    Likewise, did not hear about anyone getting the amoeba up the nose into the brain from fresh water.   I put my head into the muck a number of times from jumping in, falling from skiing and just goofing around in my youth.

- Stumbling

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15 hours ago, Left Shift said:

I don't allow anyone to go barefoot on my boat during races.  Have the same rule about velcro sandals.  It's a friggin' race...dress like it. 

Too many times, barefoot crew would cut their foot, get a jammed toe, fall on their ass.  Had someone break a toe kicking the shroud base running forward to do an emergency spin takedown.  That ended in a mess and the end of barefoot bow people.  

The last line of the IOR rule was apparently "If you're not bleeding, you aren't racing."  That does NOT need to be true.  

(p.s. They need to buy a new genoa.) 

There is no hard and fast shoe policy on the boat I am currently on. It depends on weather and position. Foredeckers always wear shoes. The upper management types in the afterguard sometimes wear shoes. The spongey cockpit floor material and open layout of the M32 make it pretty forgiving for barefooters back there. 

I have a friend who spent his whole life cruising on a boat with a really high boom, then got a divot torn out of his scalp by the outhaul cam cleat during his first race on a J/24. 

 

And yes, they do need to get a new jib on that S20. That one only makes 1 or 2 appearances per year (or at least it did when i was on that boat), but usually when we got that one out it was blowing over 30, so it took a beating.

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12 hours ago, Left Shift said:

Friggin' bandaids never stayed on.  Duct tape and a wad of paper towel.  

 

+1,000,000 on that. These days my backcountry 1st aid kit contains a couple tubes of superglue as well. Works like a charm. Stings like a motherfucker.

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"Friggin' bandaids never stayed on.  Duct tape and a wad of paper towel.  "

I prefer blue tape and blue shop towels.  Much dressier.

Worked great when I did a compound fracture of a little toe.  MD in Mexico thought I did a very professional job ...

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Some idiot mastman dropped the inboard end on my skull, it actually didn't hurt until she started cutting the clips out a week or so later... but man did it bleed a lot....enough to see a few of the less hardy crew nearly pass out when they saw me....8 or 10 big staples at the club (thanks Richard and Camelle) and a bunch of free drinks,I was good to go.

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Tripped once while on the foredeck, slid my shin across the end of the jib track. It opened up a huge gash that ran from my knee to my ankle.  I barely felt it. I finished what I was doing, and grabbed an empty bottle, filled it up with salt water, poured it it on my leg. I dried it up, then superglued it (I always have a tube in my pocket), wrapped it in a t-shirt, and wrapped the whole thing in e tape. Bomber

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5 hours ago, Connor.kainalu said:

Tripped once while on the foredeck, slid my shin across the end of the jib track. It opened up a huge gash that ran from my knee to my ankle.  I barely felt it. I finished what I was doing, and grabbed an empty bottle, filled it up with salt water, poured it it on my leg. I dried it up, then superglued it (I always have a tube in my pocket), wrapped it in a t-shirt, and wrapped the whole thing in e tape. Bomber

I once had a hangnail that bled and was airlifted to a hospital.  

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7 hours ago, Connor.kainalu said:

Tripped once while on the foredeck, slid my shin across the end of the jib track. It opened up a huge gash that ran from my knee to my ankle.  I barely felt it. I finished what I was doing, and grabbed an empty bottle, filled it up with salt water, poured it it on my leg. I dried it up, then superglued it (I always have a tube in my pocket), wrapped it in a t-shirt, and wrapped the whole thing in e tape. Bomber

...while sailing single-handed 5 miles uphill. Each way. In the snow

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On 7/12/2018 at 6:11 PM, Left Shift said:

I don't allow anyone to go barefoot on my boat during races.  Have the same rule about velcro sandals.  It's a friggin' race...dress like it. 

Too many times, barefoot crew would cut their foot, get a jammed toe, fall on their ass.  Had someone break a toe kicking the shroud base running forward to do an emergency spin takedown.  That ended in a mess and the end of barefoot bow people.  

I always wear shoes for serious races or for boats that are new to me, but for weeknight racing it's barefoot all the way. 

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There is a reason the safety guides on airplanes say "put your own oxygen mask on first"

While rushing for the first aid kit when another crew member on main had cut themselves and was bleeding profusely, I smashed my own head on the boom as it wasn't secured. I put everyone else in a worse position because there was now two people down. I was off work for 2 days, but his cut was fine in a few hours.

Also, agreeing with shoes, or open-sided 'sandals' with closed toes like keens. Broke a metatarsal when my toes went on either side of a deck fixture in a tricky docking situation.

So I now know to pause for a moment in dangerous situations to make sure I am safe first before 'helping' other crew members! Pay attention to where you are and what you are doing, and everyone will have a much better time!

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On 7/13/2018 at 8:11 AM, Left Shift said:

I don't allow anyone to go barefoot on my boat during races.  Have the same rule about velcro sandals.  It's a friggin' race...dress like it. 

Too many times, barefoot crew would cut their foot, get a jammed toe, fall on their ass.  Had someone break a toe kicking the shroud base running forward to do an emergency spin takedown.  That ended in a mess and the end of barefoot bow people.  

The last line of the IOR rule was apparently "If you're not bleeding, you aren't racing."  That does NOT need to be true.  

(p.s. They need to buy a new genoa.) 

By Genoa, do you mean the Italian town or the sail I read about in a history book?

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trimming the big #1 i learned how to get your forearm caught in the self tailer. not cool. i learned one of the many the uses of absolut vodka. i was 12 .

 

i also remember seth morell having the boom drop on his head while spinning head to wind to drop the main in alamitos bay after a day at audi race week in long beach,  somebody dropped the main halyard before being asked. now its funny, at the time , it wasnt. pretty bloody .

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On 7/13/2018 at 3:33 PM, jamhass said:

"Friggin' bandaids never stayed on.  Duct tape and a wad of paper towel.  "

I prefer blue tape and blue shop towels.  Much dressier.

Worked great when I did a compound fracture of a little toe.  MD in Mexico thought I did a very professional job ...

Super Glue the Carpenters Friend.

Driver ”We need you on the rail”. Wrong side of a spin pole as I pulled the guy snap shackle on a take down. Broken nose.

Owner “I’ll call my Dr. Buddy He will look at that.. “ Hand between pointy end of a 6M and a dock. ER and stitches.

Driver “WWF Gots nothing on Sailing “ with red all over the place when a boom bottom eye strap hit the top of my head on a no duck jibe. Lots a blood not so big hole.

Now it’s Don’t let it Happen...

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On ‎7‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 12:51 AM, stumblingthunder said:

Boat shoe bottoms aways wore out or hardened up so they did not stick so well to the deck.

Perhaps I'm too cheap, but when my shoes harden up, I run beads of high temp hot glue in the treads. Has worked wonderfully so far.

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On 7/16/2018 at 10:06 PM, LB 15 said:

By Genoa, do you mean the Italian town or the sail I read about in a history book?

The sausage.... It was converted to blood sausage.

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On 7/18/2018 at 7:41 PM, OutofOffice said:

Perhaps I'm too cheap, but when my shoes harden up, I run beads of high temp hot glue in the treads. Has worked wonderfully so far.

240 sandpaper and they are fine for another year... (throwing them away is always an emotional moment (still have old school sebago's))

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On 7/18/2018 at 10:41 AM, OutofOffice said:

Perhaps I'm too cheap, but when my shoes harden up, I run beads of high temp hot glue in the treads. Has worked wonderfully so far.

Wipe em with a nice wet MEK soaked rag. Works great on tail lights too! :P

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On 7/17/2018 at 6:27 PM, bigrpowr said:

i also remember seth morell having the boom drop on his head while spinning head to wind to drop the main in alamitos bay after a day at audi race week in long beach,  somebody dropped the main halyard before being asked. now its funny, at the time , it wasnt. pretty bloody .

That explains quite a bit about Seth!

 

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1 hour ago, Somebody Else said:

That explains quite a bit about Seth!

 

don't kid, we didnt even make the start the next day, we flew over it in his plane instead.. he was plenty batshit before that .:D hes still a great guy , just dont bring up diamond head or ... 

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10 hours ago, daan62 said:

240 sandpaper and they are fine for another year... (throwing them away is always an emotional moment (still have old school sebago's))

I have used the sandpaper method a number of times.   You can also send them off to get the sole retread if the moccasin is in good shape.   I have done that until the leather uppers fall apart.

- Stumbling

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