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33 minutes ago, Lurker said:

J105 North Americans start in 2weeks

A disappointing 16 boats registered but some notable names in the mix

https://yachtscoring.com/current_event_entries.cfm?eID=4490

Pick a winner?

Pick a winner---Gryphon.  Assuming it sails with the same crew that took nothing but bullets in  the 2018 Chicago NOODs

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I think the turnout would have been higher if it was held in Chicago in August (Verve Cup)  I think for many boats the logistics of doing the Mac with all the gear related to that race and then getting the boat back to Chicago is more time than many boat crews have to give. I would agree with Jerseyguy-Gryphon if it is the same guys. Good sailors and fast boat=wins

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15 105s registered for the Chi Mac and 8 of those registered for NAs

There must be few more 105s within 250 miles of Harbor Springs that could have come!

Disappointed more of the 20 strong Toronto fleet didn't commit

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Lurker, I'm not sure what is happening with that as well. The 105 fleet for the past 2-3 years has been the largest onedesign section in the race +20, this year 15. We had to decide between doing the Mac or NA's but not both due to logistics. 

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I will let you know that the reason some of us racers' are not participating n the NA's is simple.  Logistics and time.  Most could not commit to the time off and being away from family an all.  They take enough time as it is and family is first.  We put together a crew for the MAC years ago with the intention of having a good crew, all drivers with experience, etc...still have not sailed with all the guys because of something "coming up" and was initially serious.

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one of the issues in having it in Harbor Springs is that is part of another regatta where there was a boat limit due to facility and docking limits - so there was a waiting list to get in - certainly clubs like Chicago Yacht Club and Bayview Yacht club would be great venues that certainly could attract a large number if Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Toronto boats participated as well easy to get to from east and west coasts

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On 7/19/2018 at 4:51 PM, Maroon said:

+1

Mandate , then Gryphon

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Top 3 boats are pre-scrimp.  Then a 25 point drop down to 4th place.

The next 11 out of 12 boats are scrimps.

What does that tell you???

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The same thing we have known for years.

How many of the top three pre-scrimp boats had tillers?

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14 hours ago, Kevlar Edge said:

The same thing we have known for years.

How many of the top three pre-scrimp boats had tillers?

The net weight loss to a tiller from a wheel is actually 47 lbs.  But bigger issue -  loading 400 lbs of corrector weights in center of boat is just not right for a true 1-design class.  I've crewed on J105's and the differences in boat speed are obvious.  When will someone call BS on the class rules?

Where do J24's require corrector weights be placed?

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Terry probably would have won this regatta with his corrector weights at the tip of his mast.

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15 hours ago, CA Distress said:

 

Where do J24's require corrector weights be placed?

fore and aft.  one under the v-berth and one under the cockpit

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10 hours ago, bloodshot said:

fore and aft.  one under the v-berth and one under the cockpit

Right, J24 Class rules are fair, they level the boats, it is a true 1-design class. 

So why does the J105 Class allow 400 lbs over keel?  Doesn't that reduce pitching motion, which in turn reduces pumping motion at top of main, which in turn increases boat speed, particularly in chop???

Most pre-scrimp boats have corrector weights, and they dominate the big regattas.  Isn't there a pattern here?

Why does the J105 Class not level the boats?

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10 hours ago, fucket said:

Terry probably would have won this regatta with his corrector weights at the tip of his mast.

Absolutely.

But maybe the gap between pre-scrimp boats and rest of fleet might not be so wide.  Just looking for a fair fight.

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On 7/29/2018 at 1:49 AM, CA Distress said:

Top 3 boats are pre-scrimp.  Then a 25 point drop down to 4th place.

The next 11 out of 12 boats are scrimps.

What does that tell you???

It may simply tell you that the top teams seek out (or hang on to) pre-scrimp if they can.  Would the top boat (s) have had the same result with a similarly meticulously-prepared post-scrimp J/105?

I'm going to suggest yes.

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1 hour ago, Deed said:

It may simply tell you that the top teams seek out (or hang on to) pre-scrimp if they can.  Would the top boat (s) have had the same result with a similarly meticulously-prepared post-scrimp J/105?

I'm going to suggest yes.

Yes

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1 hour ago, Deed said:

It may simply tell you that the top teams seek out (or hang on to) pre-scrimp if they can.  Would the top boat (s) have had the same result with a similarly meticulously-prepared post-scrimp J/105?

I'm going to suggest yes.

Agree - top teams seek out pre-scrimp boats, because they know the lite boats are faster with corrector weights centered.

Agree - same top teams would likely still do very well in a fleet where ALL  boats had even weight distribution.

But, it would be a tighter fleet, and the results would NOT be so lopsided if all the boats had even weight distribution.

Fundamental question:   What is faster?  Corrector weights in center of boat ... or corrector weights fore and aft in boat?  And if you're not sure of the answer, try sailing upwind with a 200 lb crew sitting on your bow pulpit, and another one sitting on your stern rail.  LMK how that works out.

 

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Isn't the rule that UP TO 400 lbs can go over the keel but anything above that has to be spread around the hull?  I seem to recall reading about some pre-SCRIMP boats needing to add way more than 400. 

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1 hour ago, CA Distress said:

Agree - top teams seek out pre-scrimp boats, because they know the lite boats are faster with corrector weights centered.

Agree - same top teams would likely still do very well in a fleet where ALL  boats had even weight distribution.

But, it would be a tighter fleet, and the results would NOT be so lopsided if all the boats had even weight distribution.

Fundamental question:   What is faster?  Corrector weights in center of boat ... or corrector weights fore and aft in boat?  And if you're not sure of the answer, try sailing upwind with a 200 lb crew sitting on your bow pulpit, and another one sitting on your stern rail.  LMK how that works out.

 

Regarding the scrimp boats, do you know for a fact where they are heavier?  Assuming they are heavier.

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2 hours ago, bloodshot said:

Isn't the rule that UP TO 400 lbs can go over the keel but anything above that has to be spread around the hull?  I seem to recall reading about some pre-SCRIMP boats needing to add way more than 400. 

Under 180kg (around 400lbs), in the middle but not under the floor. Over 180 kg, 30% on forward face of forward bulkhead, 70% aft of forward face of cockpit floor.

In practice, the first 180kg would be split between the compartments port and starboard under the main salon settees.

 

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