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Talk this Sunday at Sausalito YC

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Wish I were in San Francisco Sunday! I like that CL motor sailor you posted. Beauty. I just did some motor sailing and I get it.

Hope you're well, Bob. I will get my book signed one of these days! Cheers, -lasal

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damn, we've got a slammed weekend otherwise i'd love to attend. good luck with the talk mr. perry

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3 hours ago, Rasputin22 said:

Dogs, Squaw Candy, Fishing, Pipes, Phono cartridges and Guitars?

fine bologna?                                   :)

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I'll try to be there.  SYC is a serious hotbed of elderly drinking sailors, so watch out for your liver. 

If you see Dick Enersen please say hi from me if I cant make it.  He was a grinder on Constellation in the 1964 Americas Cup, and is an all round good man.  He cruises up your way a great deal on his Cal 2-46 'Brass Ring', and is a great man for a sailing conversation, and a tipple.

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11 hours ago, Rasputin22 said:

Dogs, Squaw Candy, Fishing, Pipes, Phono cartridges and Guitars?

Classical Music....get him going on that subject!

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Wop:

Dick can't make the talk. He's out of town.

 

My talk will focus on FRANCIS LEE and the carbon cutters. But I'm happy to answer questions on cartridges for your record player. Portuguese Water Dogs or classical music.

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On 7/12/2018 at 5:37 PM, Bob Perry said:

 I will be in an effervescent mood.

 

 

What do you do to get in that mood Bob? Ever try these?

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Wish I could be there for your talk. Maybe someone can inobtrusively record or video (Live Facebook?) and share with those of us that can't make it.

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If Bob was ever on the East Coast I think we would have a good discussion on the importance of pie as part of living a well rounded life. Would some of his designs even exist in the absence of Apple pie?

 

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I was at SYC the other day, and noticed four "private club, members only" signs within about 20 feet. It couldn't have looked much less inviting, so the fact that they wouldn't let the great unwashed in seems to fit with their attitude, which seems to be shared with GGYC and StFYC.

The funny thing is that the Bay area seems to be friendly in other ways, and it's not as if the sailing scene is big enough and classy enough to be able to turn people away. It's not as if the place is full of supermaxis and TP52s and can breed its own AC defenders.  And people wonder why sailing is in trouble in the USA......

 

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Yeah, the SF average real estate value to average boat value delta must be the largest in the world for a coastal city. Dock after dock of tired boats that were never kitted out well at all. And block after block of seven figure houses that were never kitted out too well either while being worth a fortune. I love the city of course. And the fleet of beaters.

Too bad about the strict reciprocal litmus test in Sausilito. They have a surprising number of shit boats over there too.

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2 hours ago, Curious said:

I was at SYC the other day, and noticed four "private club, members only" signs within about 20 feet. It couldn't have looked much less inviting, so the fact that they wouldn't let the great unwashed in seems to fit with their attitude, which seems to be shared with GGYC and StFYC.

The signs are to keep the random travelers out from the SF ferry dock next to it.  In my experience, and not being an SYC member, you should wait at the door till someone walks in or out, then slide in and introduce yourself at the bar as a visiting yachtsman, with suitable club credentials, ideally from as far away as possible.  If you look and sound the part, almost always you'll be escorted to the front table and signed in. Then you buy that member a glass and enjoy the hospitality.  It isn't hard.

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I can understand the issue about being close to the dock, but when the same sort of signals come from the other clubs I went to in SF, and as Jamhass says they don't allow members of most other clubs in to talks, then it does seem to signal a bit of an attitude. There was nothing to indicate to a potential sailor or club member that they would be welcomed inside or into the sport. Given the number of threads here about trying to save sailing on the USA, it was an interesting insight, as was the reaction when I walked into StFYC and asked about getting a position on a beercan race. 

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Curious said:

I was at SYC the other day, and noticed four "private club, members only" signs within about 20 feet.

 

That's weird. Like you,  I am more used to clubs which have a sign saying "This club and its facilities are paid for by our members but the general public is welcome to picnic on the lawn, use the pool/beach, launch at our slip, tie up at our dock and please make yourselves comfortable at our bar.  If the club is overly crowded, please avail yourself of our Commodore's private residence at 1243, Club Road"

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53 minutes ago, IPLore said:

That's weird. Like you,  I am more used to clubs which have a sign saying "This club and its facilities are paid for by our members but the general public is welcome to picnic on the lawn, use the pool/beach, launch at our slip, tie up at our dock and please make yourselves comfortable at our bar.  If the club is overly crowded, please avail yourself of our Commodore's private residence at 1243, Club Road"

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The SF Bay Area is full with attitude. Millionaires fighting other millionaires over their view, over the location of their fence, where their neighbors pool should not be located, or how their neighbors removal of a shed has caused their pool to crack. Their deep unhappiness is covered by the shiny new luxury cars they drive. 

Yes, I live here and despite all that I still love the place. Besides the crap described there are tons of great folks too, and obviously the sailing and generally speaking the natural beauty is hard to beat.

Actually, I do not think unwelcoming yacht clubs are a specific Bay Area problem: nation-wide welcoming yacht clubs seem to be the exception, not the rule. Try getting into any YC that charges a high initiation fee. It will not be different in Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, or Rhode Island. Over here my experience has been pretty good with YC's. I have been to a bunch of clubs as guest when I was either crewing or dinghy sailing (I can think of Richmond, Berkeley, GG, SF, St Francis and a few in Alameda). The experience might be different when you show up outside of an event you registered for. I remember one instance at St. Fancy when at registration most of us had made up the YC we were a member of. During the awards ceremony the commodore made fun of those made up yacht clubs, all in good spirits. When entering they do ask you to take off your cap and not crash a wedding in your wetsuit, but I can live by those rules especially when rewarded with a ridiculously spectacular view while having tacos and beers.

I am not familiar with the club in Sausalito. 

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9 hours ago, IPLore said:

That's weird. Like you,  I am more used to clubs which have a sign saying "This club and its facilities are paid for by our members but the general public is welcome to picnic on the lawn, use the pool/beach, launch at our slip, tie up at our dock and please make yourselves comfortable at our bar.  If the club is overly crowded, please avail yourself of our Commodore's private residence at 1243, Club Road"

Actually, I'm used to clubs with signs saying things like "Visitors welcome" and where the general public or visiting sailor IS often welcome to use the dock and the deck. If other areas have a different attitude that's fine, but when there are so many complaints about the state of the sport and so many threads asking "how  can we fix sailing in the USA" then why reject input from elsewhere?

I did some random checking of clubs in places where the sport is doing better. Entry signs and web pages include passages like this; "We warmly welcome you to the .......Sailing Club... we hope you enjoy both the Club’s facilities and the fine sailing waters we have to offer. .....Should you have any questions, our friendly team members at the front desk will be willing to assist." Another club with a stronger fleet and much better facilities than SYC or StFYC has a page that says to non-sailors  "Come along and enjoy a sail on the beautiful ......... Sailing is available to you no matter what your experience..... your first day pass is free.....After sailing you are more than welcome to enjoy a few drinks with your crew or perhaps a family dinner at our Olympic Bar & Restaurant." A similar club shows a sign saying "private pontoon....visiting yachtsmen welcome". Other clubs signs say ".........yacht club" with "Welcome" next to it in bigger letters.

That's very different from the situation at places like some in SF, where they require even fanatical sailors to get their own club to send a letter of introduction and require you to set up a guest account linked to a credit card. 

 

 

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17 hours ago, IPLore said:

That's weird. Like you,  I am more used to clubs which have a sign saying "This club and its facilities are paid for by our members but the general public is welcome to picnic on the lawn, use the pool/beach, launch at our slip, tie up at our dock and please make yourselves comfortable at our bar.  If the club is overly crowded, please avail yourself of our Commodore's private residence at 1243, Club Road"

Don't forget, "make yourself at home in our showers, the keypad code is 1234"

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Hobs:

The talk went quite well. The room was packed. I think they had about 90 people.

It turned into an hour and half long "question and answer" format with questions ranging from how did my son get the name "Spike" to what am I doing to help the next generation of designers along.  I had asked before hand to be cut off at an hour but when I was done it had stretched 1.5 hours and I was exhausted. 

The club officers were very hospitable and great guys, very informal. I signed many books and met a few owners of my boats. It was good to see Stan and Sally Honey. I have known Sally for almost 40 years.

There is usually a guy at these events following me around with a dirty, brown paper bag full of bilge pump parts, "What are you going to do about this pump?" He stayed away this time.

Thanks to all who made this happen especially Monique from Lat 38 who put it all together. Also my Taiwanese pal Wayne Shen who provided transportation, emotional support and lodging and dinner in his palatial home in the hills overlooking the bay.

I wa happy to get back to my shack.

The dogs missed me. 

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Kocher:

Enjoyable? I'm crowd phobic so from the start to the finish of the talk I'm fighting off "full panic attack mode". But that's why I always try to have a buddy with me for the talk. It was Wayne this time. I was also at my St, Francis YC presentation. One familiar face keeps me almost calm.

The talk is enjoyable when it's over.

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