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I own hull #26 based in Seattle and am trying to find other J/99 owners. If you are, or are in contact with, folks who own J/99s I'd appreciate it if you could send them my way. I'm hoping to set up a class group so we can share information to make our boats faster.

I can be contacted through here or on FB via https://www.facebook.com/onelifej99/

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Hello I own hull 13. no facebook but will be very happy to share via SA forum.

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6 hours ago, roldymc said:

Hello I own hull 13. no facebook but will be very happy to share via SA forum.

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Excellent! I PM'd you via SA with my email address so I can collect more information for the spreadsheet I'm putting together!

 

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12 hours ago, ddmiller67 said:

Excellent! I PM'd you via SA with my email address so I can collect more information for the spreadsheet I'm putting together!

 

Looking forward to your first race coming up soon.  We live on Orcas and are eager to see the third 99 in the PNW up here. 

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Also, One Life, will we see you at Race to the Straits in May?  Seems like a great race for the 99.

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So, one J/99 in the PNW and two coming.  One J/99 in SF Bay and two coming.  They are up to Hull #60 at least.  

Rating 78 in the PNW with water ballast and 72 in the SF Bay without water ballast.  The difference seems reasonable given the average ratings for those areas and the different wind conditions.  

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5 hours ago, Roleur said:

So, one J/99 in the PNW and two coming.  One J/99 in SF Bay and two coming.  They are up to Hull #60 at least.   

"There is a sucker born every minute."

In the PNW there are at least 3 confirmed cases.

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There will soon be 3 boats in the UK. Not really caught on over here despite in the past being a big J Boat area. I don’t think any of them have/will race offshore 

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On 6/18/2020 at 9:23 AM, JL92S said:

There will soon be 3 boats in the UK. Not really caught on over here despite in the past being a big J Boat area. I don’t think any of them have/will race offshore 

They need a crack works team to post some good results like PH did with the J/97 back in the day, or a couple of keen owner campaigns (like the SF3300 has).

The design feels like "evolution rather than revolution" - if you were campaigning a well-sorted SF3200, J/97, A31/A35 etc would you spend £100-200k switch to this? Maybe 105/109 owners would?

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The latest boat that will arrive in July is owned by a guy who tried racing an Elan E3. Arguably he’s bought the perfect boat for him but he’s a very small time club sailor who battles to finish within the time limits. The UK has a very high IRC bias and the the boats at the front half of each class are campaigned hard and can have (but not always) big budgets 

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there will be 4 J99 in the netherlands racing together.

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11 hours ago, JL92S said:

The latest boat that will arrive in July is owned by a guy who tried racing an Elan E3. Arguably he’s bought the perfect boat for him but he’s a very small time club sailor who battles to finish within the time limits. The UK has a very high IRC bias and the the boats at the front half of each class are campaigned hard and can have (but not always) big budgets 

To be fair the Sunrise guy was DFL in an Elan 350 in a lot of events in 2015 before he changed to a JPK the following year and started winning things. Those Elans are not good under IRC....

I do agree that I'd like to see a "top level" crew pick up a J99 and give it a good go in the UK though.

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I don't really like trashing owners anonymously online based on results sheets. People race for all sorts of reasons and with all sorts of reasonable expectations as to how they will do based on budget, crew experience, amount of time they have to sail and so on. Some people want to sail with friends and family and not spend every weekend in the spring testing and calibrating!

Completing a Fastnet is not quite the challenge it used to be but it's still a respectable achievement in its own right, especially two-handed - getting to Plymouth is the real goal.

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11 minutes ago, Snowden said:

I don't really like trashing owners anonymously online based on results sheets. People race for all sorts of reasons and with all sorts of reasonable expectations as to how they will do based on budget, crew experience, amount of time they have to sail and so on. Some people want to sail with friends and family and not spend every weekend in the spring testing and calibrating!

Completing a Fastnet is not quite the challenge it used to be but it's still a respectable achievement in its own right, especially two-handed - getting to Plymouth is the real goal.

Absolutely true.  And it's also often the case that a change in boat brings a change in focus and someone who was happy following the fleet around in their old boat brings in a couple of good sailors and suddenly jumps up the fleet.  We've seen it a number of times.  

After all, nobody is going to drop the money on a new boat if they don't think it's better than their old boat, are they?

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21 minutes ago, Flaming said:

After all, nobody is going to drop the money on a new boat if they don't think it's better than their old boat, are they?

That's what I keep coming back to with the 99. It's more than competent, I'm sure, but it doesn't feel exciting or different enough from the previous generation of 30-35 footers.

Having said that, I see the Irish J/109 champion bought one (Juggerknot II, any relation to Joggernaut?) and has entered the Round Ireland, will be interesting to see how they get on.

https://afloat.ie/sail/events/round-ireland/item/46505-algeo-s-j-99-juggerknot-ii-enters-round-ireland-yacht-race

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2 hours ago, Snowden said:

That's what I keep coming back to with the 99. It's more than competent, I'm sure, but it doesn't feel exciting or different enough from the previous generation of 30-35 footers.

Having said that, I see the Irish J/109 champion bought one (Juggerknot II, any relation to Joggernaut?) and has entered the Round Ireland, will be interesting to see how they get on.

https://afloat.ie/sail/events/round-ireland/item/46505-algeo-s-j-99-juggerknot-ii-enters-round-ireland-yacht-race

Agree.  It looks and rates like J's answer to the Sunfast 3200 and JPK1010, when it should have been their answer to the 3300 and the 1030.

 

 

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As owner of a 99 I Fully agree with you :

> my previous boat was a J105

> J99 is a jpk 10,10 copy ( some aspects are even not as good as ex : no liferaft space, main-sheet messy )

>BUT I would not have made that change to get a SF 3300 or Jpk 10.30 which are more in line with Figaro II / III

those are little too extreme and belong more to pure professional racer than  family speedster.

j99 is kind of a classic boat 

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J/Boats just splashed hull #50, a rather remarkable given boat ordering stopped due to the pandemic's economic impacts.

Results? From what races? Most of the NA boats were in the northern midwest and the NE, arriving just in time for the season to be shut down for winter. The EU fleet had a bit more time before things got shut down, I suppose, but you cannot really judge results yet in EU either. We got ONE race in here in the PNW with my boat before the pandemic shut us down, and most sanctioned racing won't restart for weeks. What racing there is tends to be informal household-only races, with results not posted except amongst those who sailed.

With the relaxation in quarantine rules over the last couple of weeks, we're finally out again with a crew and beginning the long process of learning the boat. She's incredibly stable to sail, quick to accelerate, and can comfortably carry far more sail than I think people are giving her initial credit for.

And she can be cruised easily.

We'll get a better idea of her relative merits when racing resumes for real. Until then, declarative statements about her abilities (or lack thereof) seem to be a bit premature.

 

1 hour ago, roldymc said:

As owner of a 99 I Fully agree with you :

> my previous boat was a J105

> J99 is a jpk 10,10 copy ( some aspects are even not as good as ex : no liferaft space, main-sheet messy )

>BUT I would not have made that change to get a SF 3300 or Jpk 10.30 which are more in line with Figaro II / III

those are little too extreme and belong more to pure professional racer than  family speedster.

j99 is kind of a classic boat 

Life raft mounts under the tiller.
 

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18 hours ago, ddmiller67 said:

We'll get a better idea of her relative merits when racing resumes for real. Until then, declarative statements about her abilities (or lack thereof) seem to be a bit premature.

 


 

We had a season racing against Jet (in a JPK1010) in the UK last year.  Tough to differentiate between the boat and the sailors with just 1 example to race against, but I'm not blown away.  I was excited to see this boat, as I hoped it would act as a bit of a boost for the 30-35 foot segment in the UK, which is very short of available boats at the moment and I would dearly love for there to be a bunch of them to race against. 

Needs a symmetrical kite for round the cans stuff I think, like the top 112s have here.  Whilst the 99 was often holding us upwind, especially in lighter conditions, downwind we just sailed away, ratings are close with them owing us about 15s per hour.

It's an interesting point that roldymc makes, that he wouldn't want a more extreme boat, and a very fair one.  I just hope that there are enough people with a similar outlook over here to put a bunch of boats on the water for us to play with.    

 

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other problem with both jpk 1030 & sf 3300 (indeed, not with jpk 1010) is aesthetics...very hard to digest (at least for me) - while j-boats are always very good looking boats (at least in my view)

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On 6/24/2020 at 3:25 PM, Furkolkjaaf said:

other problem with both jpk 1030 & sf 3300 (indeed, not with jpk 1010) is aesthetics...very hard to digest (at least for me) - while j-boats are always very good looking boats (at least in my view)

All depends on what you want from a boat, I like mine to win stuff

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On 6/23/2020 at 9:30 AM, Flaming said:

Agree.  It looks and rates like J's answer to the Sunfast 3200 and JPK1010, when it should have been their answer to the 3300 and the 1030.

 

The thing is that in the USA (East Coast at least).., IRC is all but dead - most regattas and distance races have dropped it completely, or are now offering dual scoring with another rule - usually ORC

I Think though it is not clear where we will end up in the USA - ORC in the short run.., but after that, who knows.

with respect to the 1030 and the 3300, I have seen them both out sailing, and they each look great. The 1030 seems pretty IRC focused.., the 3300 i guess is less so...

Either way, in the US market, it's probably not a good time to bring a new rule-specific design to market.

the 99 seems pretty non-specific with respect to rating rules.

Another thing, is that distance races in the north east (US) typically have a wide variety of conditions - upwind, down wind, reaching.. light breeze, heavy breeze.., no breeze - all in the same race sometimes. I have anchored in distance races here...  I've seen them be all upwind.., and all downwind - anything is possible. One thing I have seen many times in these races is that a boat's performance in 2-4kts of wind can be of great importance.

Anyway, the area I am talking about is probably the global epicenter of J Boat ownership

I think for this area, in today's rating environment, you probably want a boat that can compete in a wide variety of wind conditions, and under a variety or rating rules.

I don't know which of these three boats fits that niche best - they all look great.., and I wouldn't dismiss the 99 yet.

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4 minutes ago, us7070 said:

One thing I have seen many times in these races is that a boat's performance in 2-4kts of wind can be of great importance.

 

Jeeze.  If I lived in an area like that I really doubt I'd be a racing sailor.  

Don't think the 99 is unspecific with terms to rules, I think it's an IRC focused design, especially when fitted with the IRC keel.  Most of the details fit what we know about what IRC likes.  

And I'm certainly not dismissing the 99, it's just that the press (in the UK at least) when it launched was all about reclaiming the mantle of go-to doublehanded boat that J used to own with the 105 in Europe.  Which just doesn't quite seem to fit with the fact that it's most similar in specs to boats launched in 2010, and the current models from the shorthanded specialists over here look a step further along and rate a fair bit higher.  My current view is that if top level shorthanded racing - emulating the JPK overall fastnet win, transquarda etc - was the principal goal for the design they came up a bit short compared to their competitors. Quite prepared to have that corrected by results though.  

But actually, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.  The 3300 and 1030 are unlikely to ever pick up many sales as fully crewed boats as they're that bit more shorthanded focused.  Whereas the 99 actually looks like it could be a pretty decent fully crewed boat - much like the 97 was before it.  And this in a size / rating band that has very, very few options currently available.  Personally I hope they sell plenty, but not quite enough for an OD class in the Solent...

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31 minutes ago, Flaming said:

Jeeze.  If I lived in an area like that I really doubt I'd be a racing sailor.

those races can, on average have decent wind..., but it's not uncommon that in the middle of the night, or early in the morning, there is a few hour period of almost no wind.

This can happen all over new england

of course, i have seen afternoons with no wind too..

but in those very light wind parts of the race, big moves can be made by connecting little puffs - a boat that can react to them has a definite advantage - it might mean the difference between making or missing a tidal gate.., or sometimes you might have a situation where breeze is dying west to east.., and you are headed east - a boat that gets just a little bit ahead will always have better breeze - the rich get richer scenario.

it all just emphasizes the long-term advantage of a boat that performs okay in a wide range of conditions.

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what us7070 is describing/pointing out, very much fits what we see here in northern adriatic area...

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On 6/27/2020 at 2:18 AM, Furkolkjaaf said:

what us7070 is describing/pointing out, very much fits what we see here in northern adriatic area...

That's what we see here in the Salish Sea (PNW) as well.  We just did a 102 mile race over the weekend.  Start was very close reaching in 20-30.  Then a few hours of 0-5 knots, then many hours of 5-15 both upwind and vmg downwind, then a close reach to broad reach in 15-30.  Went from a reef and outboard sheeted jib, to full main and A3.  Fantastic conditions for most of the race, but the 0-5 decided it, as a few boats got around the corner into breeze and were gone.  We sat 100' offshore listening to a beach house party around midnight for more than hour.  I think the J/99 with w/b would have loved all the breezy reaching.  We had friends onboard our J/111 with a new J/99 currently enroute on a ship from France.  

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On 6/23/2020 at 7:45 AM, roldymc said:

As owner of a 99 I Fully agree with you :

 

Do you, or anyone else here who happens to be a J/99 owner, have rig setup or rig tuning data you'd be willing to share?

Yes, I know it is supposed to be sailmaker specific. Any data would be helpful. If you don't want to share here, email me at contact@onelife99.com

 

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Rake has increased by quite a bit. Current standard forestay length mid toggle to Mid toggle is 13.55m

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Saw one berthed near mine on the weekend, very pretty boat indeed. Lovely proportions with classic J looks.

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I have USA 31 in Atlantic Highlands NJ 

I will share my rig tune numbers this week - I just ordered the PT-2 M to actually get the numbers of where I am starting from. 

So far North has nothing for me - and I actually sent an email to J-Boats / Composites to see what they are doing - it sounds like they are starting  to win in France, so somebody must have a good base.

When you look at the rig set up it seems to me that there isn't enough rake - the boat is so insanely balanced I would wonder if moving the butt to max forward and increasing head stay length is a good start. 

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On 7/17/2020 at 10:30 PM, JMOD said:

Rake has increased by quite a bit. Current standard forestay length mid toggle to Mid toggle is 13.55m

Thanks, JMOD. Which 99 are you?

 

 

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1 hour ago, GHarring19 said:

I have USA 31 in Atlantic Highlands NJ 

I will share my rig tune numbers this week - I just ordered the PT-2 M to actually get the numbers of where I am starting from. 

So far North has nothing for me - and I actually sent an email to J-Boats / Composites to see what they are doing - it sounds like they are starting  to win in France, so somebody must have a good base.

When you look at the rig set up it seems to me that there isn't enough rake - the boat is so insanely balanced I would wonder if moving the butt to max forward and increasing head stay length is a good start. 

Thank you. The one thing we have heard is she sails best with the mast stepped all the way forward. The rest of the metrics are "developing". COVID-19 has delayed everyone's dialing in and interrupted much of the back-and-forth that normally happens among the owners.

J/99 owners who are interested in sharing data can feel free to email me at contact@onelife99.com and I can coordinate information amongst everyone -- at least until J/Boats starts up the communication list they are talking about.

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Does the mast butt slide forward (when the shrouds are loosened) by easing the 4 screws under the table? It cant be that simple - but the owners manual doesn't address it. 

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22 minutes ago, GHarring19 said:

Does the mast butt slide forward (when the shrouds are loosened) by easing the 4 screws under the table? It cant be that simple - but the owners manual doesn't address it. 

That's how we do it on the J/80 (different boat, but sounds like a similar set up). Loosen 4 screws and give it a big push. 

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32 minutes ago, GHarring19 said:

Does the mast butt slide forward (when the shrouds are loosened) by easing the 4 screws under the table? It cant be that simple - but the owners manual doesn't address it. 

That's my understanding. Will see this afternoon if that's how it actually works!

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5 hours ago, ddmiller67 said:

Thank you. The one thing we have heard is she sails best with the mast stepped all the way forward. The rest of the metrics are "developing". COVID-19 has delayed everyone's dialing in and interrupted much of the back-and-forth that normally happens among the owners.

J/99 owners who are interested in sharing data can feel free to email me at contact@onelife99.com and I can coordinate information amongst everyone -- at least until J/Boats starts up the communication list they are talking about.

More rake makes a lot sense for pointing issues and the fact we have predominantly lighter air than locations where a lot of rig tune originates. We are bringing our 111 down to Seattle this weekend to get our furler sorted, so we can increase rake as well.

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On pointing - be interested to hear what others are finding, but we are sailing around 105s and 109s and are generally a little higher and faster. Downwind we just got our new kite from North and have been using a borrowed 105 kite - we were massively underpowered, but that should change tomorrow night.

How are other 99s fairing upwind against 105/109?

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3 hours ago, GHarring19 said:

On pointing - be interested to hear what others are finding, but we are sailing around 105s and 109s and are generally a little higher and faster. Downwind we just got our new kite from North and have been using a borrowed 105 kite - we were massively underpowered, but that should change tomorrow night.

How are other 99s fairing upwind against 105/109?

Are you able to beat the 109's boat for boat?  In light conditions?  That would be massive as around here, the 109s owe the 99s 9 secs/mile.

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I used to own a J105, pointing with our 99 is for sure higher in light and medium air. in heavy air is always difficult to judge the boat itself.

Going down wind is about the same as j105 but feeling is to go slower.... (height on deck and weight maybe)...

No clew against j109.

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2 hours ago, Roleur said:

Are you able to beat the 109's boat for boat?  In light conditions?  That would be massive as around here, the 109s owe the 99s 9 secs/mile.

As with all sailing, its depends on the drivers. So far, one race in before the jib was recut correctly and the real spin came in, it was 105 105 99 109 109 straight up. Tomorrow night we will see where we are at - but I will be really bummed if the 105s are beating us downwind!

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The rig tuning worked well last night. We're not 100% there yet as the mast is off center at the deck level, but from the deck up the rig is now straight. We were able to point much better on starboard than we had been and nothing chnaged for our good pointing on port. We still need some sail work to be able to sheet the jibs in as far as we need them. Results aren't posted yet for the race (hazard of all skippers self-reporting their times), but we finished ahead of all the 105s in our class for the first time (uncorrected).

To answer two other questions:

Yes, moving the mast forward is as easy as releasing the bolts. The rigger marked the old position, loosened the shrouds, loosened the bolts, then cranked down on the backstay. A *little* tap and the mast shifted forwards.

In terms of downwind performance and 105/109 comparable performance in general, this is pretty tough to tell given our fleet is only back to racing for three weeks. Mondays are limited to 5 crew and Wednesdays are single/doublehand only. AND we've only had one race with the new rig settings. Given those caveats, the 99 appears to be faster downwind than the 105s, all else being equal. Upwind I would guess the 99 is faster and higher based upon what we'd been seeing on port tack previously and what we saw last night on starboard after the rig change. We haven't raced in class against the 109s, but they owe us time.

In the first race on corrected (time over time) on a 5.114nm course, one 109 finished 28 seconds ahead and another finished 4 seconds behind. I'll have better data on this after last night's race is reported.

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15 hours ago, ddmiller67 said:

The rig tuning worked well last night. We're not 100% there yet as the mast is off center at the deck level, but from the deck up the rig is now straight. We were able to point much better on starboard than we had been and nothing chnaged for our good pointing on port. We still need some sail work to be able to sheet the jibs in as far as we need them. Results aren't posted yet for the race (hazard of all skippers self-reporting their times), but we finished ahead of all the 105s in our class for the first time (uncorrected).

To answer two other questions:

Yes, moving the mast forward is as easy as releasing the bolts. The rigger marked the old position, loosened the shrouds, loosened the bolts, then cranked down on the backstay. A *little* tap and the mast shifted forwards.

In terms of downwind performance and 105/109 comparable performance in general, this is pretty tough to tell given our fleet is only back to racing for three weeks. Mondays are limited to 5 crew and Wednesdays are single/doublehand only. AND we've only had one race with the new rig settings. Given those caveats, the 99 appears to be faster downwind than the 105s, all else being equal. Upwind I would guess the 99 is faster and higher based upon what we'd been seeing on port tack previously and what we saw last night on starboard after the rig change. We haven't raced in class against the 109s, but they owe us time.

In the first race on corrected (time over time) on a 5.114nm course, one 109 finished 28 seconds ahead and another finished 4 seconds behind. I'll have better data on this after last night's race is reported.

Sounds like you guys are on the right track! Tonight's project is to to get the head sail set up properly for the first time and put some tape down on where the inhauler should land in 10-12 kts. Then get the A2 kite set up and jibe / take down - its 115m versus 85m on the J105 kite we borrowed so excited for the horsepower. Any thoughts on inside versus outisde? We have been doing inside and thats what seems to be the fastest.  My PT-2M just arrived so I can get baseline numbers tonight - $124 on Amazon, not bad. Also - Wedge for the primary mainsheet block comes in tomorrow. I don't know if others have experienced this but the standard block is really hard to keep locked down on when its loaded  up- we've had it blow out a few times so were angling it up. 

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First race with the real kite last night and the recut jib - now we are faster than the 109s, and now are much faster than the 105s. There is one 111 a class ahead and while he is faster upwind he is not dramatically faster downwind. I really like this boat!!!

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19 minutes ago, roldymc said:

let us know about the wind please.

Breeze was very steady 10-12 knots.

The oversize kite allows us to sail deeper than the 105s/109s. Upwind we are just faster.

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Great ! this oversized 115m2 kite is going to top of the mast ? some pictures maybe ?

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32 minutes ago, SEC16518 said:

What is your rating hit for the larger sail?  Is it worth it?

No hit - its the 105m2 that North is building like pink one in the pictures on their website -- It just looks big to me!

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Yes, 115m2 sounds like a normal size kite.  For reference the J/111 OD kite is 130m2, and around here in PHRF land we all have 143+m2 kites on the 111s.  

I would want as big of a kite as the sailmaker can make efficient on a 99.  

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17 minutes ago, SEC16518 said:

105, 110, 115?? Which is the boat rated for?  

Not the answer you are looking for, but it is interesting that in PHRF NW the 130m2 kite for a J/111 is actually a 6 sec credit and up to 143m2 is a 3 sec credit.  My translation is that a 115m2 is by no means a big kite for the J/99.  

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57 minutes ago, Roleur said:

...and around here in PHRF land we all have 143+m2 kites on the 111s. 

Ah, that makes what we were seeing at WATH a little more clear.

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1 minute ago, ddmiller67 said:

Ah, that makes what we were seeing at WATH a little more clear.

Turns out Valkyrie is rated for an even larger Kite (Code 5) than 143m2.  Ours is exactly 143 (max Code 4), so we are getting a 3 second credit.  That said, it didn't look like either of Valkyrie's kites were 143 or larger, but I could be wrong.  Something I had in mind to mention to Cathy.  I think she is giving up 6 seconds to us for no speed benefit.  Apparently her main is larger than ours, but I bet it is only a bit larger and doesn't justify the 3 second hit.

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On 7/30/2020 at 2:58 PM, ddmiller67 said:

Ah, that makes what we were seeing at WATH a little more clear.

Interesting data point.  One Life is getting a 3 second credit for your smaller than "normal" kite (code 4), and a 3 second penalty for the your larger than "normal" main (code 6).  Normal being the PHRF definition based in IJPE.  It would be interesting to know if your kite is max code 4, or somewhere in the middle of that range.  Also curious if your main is max code 6, or actually just barely over the max code 5.  If I had to guess, I would wager your kite is small in the code 4 range and your main is just barely big enough to code 6.  Translation, you could increase the size of your kite and reduce the size of your main slightly, get a 3 second credit and go faster around the course.  If I were speccin'g J/99 sails for the PNW I would get a max code 6 main, and a max code 5 spinnaker, rate 75, instead of 78 and be significantly faster in light air.  Something to look into when it comes time to replace sails in a few years.  

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14 minutes ago, Roleur said:

Interesting data point.  One Life is getting a 3 second credit for your smaller than "normal" kite (code 4), and a 3 second penalty for the your larger than "normal" main (code 6).  Normal being the PHRF definition based in IJPE.  It would be interesting to know if your kite is max code 4, or somewhere in the middle of that range.  Also curious if your main is max code 6, or actually just barely over the max code 5.  If I had to guess, I would wager your kite is small in the code 4 range and your main is just barely big enough to code 6.  Translation, you could increase the size of your kite and reduce the size of your main slightly, get a 3 second credit and go faster around the course.  If I were speccin'g J/99 sails for the PNW I would get a max code 6 main, and a max code 5 spinnaker, rate 75, instead of 78 and be significantly faster in light air.  Something to look into when it comes time to replace sails in a few years.  

what is the bigger main - code 6? A fat head? 

in light air that would be sweet but - the boat powers up pretty fast in 12 knots - you would be dumping traveler and into vang sheeting pretty fast.

 

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2 minutes ago, GHarring19 said:

what is the bigger main - code 6? A fat head? 

in light air that would be sweet but - the boat powers up pretty fast in 12 knots - you would be dumping traveler and into vang sheeting pretty fast.

 

Not a fat head, just a bit more roach.  It's possible that with the big masthead crane that is standard on a 99, that it gets to code 6, due to the roach that is easy to add.  

Not much downside to being powered up in 12 knots.  Pretty easy to keep flattening sails and depowering above that, but if you race where it is often less than 12 knots, no real downside.  I mentioned elsewhere that we've raced 18 times this year.  I can count on zero hands how many times the average wind speed has been above 12 knots.  Also, One Life has water ballast.

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I’ve been racing a J99 under IRC since Apr 2019 in Ireland, principally Vs very well sailed J/109s, A35, XP 33 inshore, but also in bigger rating range fleets when offshore (JPK 1080, J 122, Sunfast 3600 down to A31, j/97 etc).   It took us a while to Improve things and we’ve much still to learn,  but she is now overall pretty competitive.  2.5 degrees rake with mast foot full aft (our mainsail needs mucho prebend) seems to work for us.   We use 100 sqm A2 which seems a good rating compromise for our fleet, though experimenting with a larger one is an attractive idea.   We’re really very happy with the J/99 design at this point.   Typical J boat, does everything and certainly can win, which puts the pressure back on us! 

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41 minutes ago, Student Sailor said:

I’ve been racing a J99 under IRC since Apr 2019 in Ireland, principally Vs very well sailed J/109s, A35, XP 33 inshore, but also in bigger rating range fleets when offshore (JPK 1080, J 122, Sunfast 3600 down to A31, j/97 etc).   It took us a while to Improve things and we’ve much still to learn,  but she is now overall pretty competitive.  2.5 degrees rake with mast foot full aft (our mainsail needs mucho prebend) seems to work for us.   We use 100 sqm A2 which seems a good rating compromise for our fleet, though experimenting with a larger one is an attractive idea.   We’re really very happy with the J/99 design at this point.   Typical J boat, does everything and certainly can win, which puts the pressure back on us! 

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which keel configuration and what are the typical conditions ? (light/medium/strong) - thanks

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48 minutes ago, Student Sailor said:

I’ve been racing a J99 under IRC since Apr 2019 in Ireland, principally Vs very well sailed J/109s, A35, XP 33 inshore, but also in bigger rating range fleets when offshore (JPK 1080, J 122, Sunfast 3600 down to A31, j/97 etc).   It took us a while to Improve things and we’ve much still to learn,  but she is now overall pretty competitive.  2.5 degrees rake with mast foot full aft (our mainsail needs mucho prebend) seems to work for us.   We use 100 sqm A2 which seems a good rating compromise for our fleet, though experimenting with a larger one is an attractive idea.   We’re really very happy with the J/99 design at this point.   Typical J boat, does everything and certainly can win, which puts the pressure back on us! 

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Thanks for the update!

Did you mean to say you moved your mast "forward" to get rake?

Any data on shroud tension for different wind speeds?

 

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16 hours ago, ddmiller67 said:

Thanks for the update!

Did you mean to say you moved your mast "forward" to get rake?

Any data on shroud tension for different wind speeds?

 

I think he implied he went backwards but maybe put partners forward to induce pre-bend?

 

I am going to push my mast forward to induce rake :)

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22 hours ago, Furkolkjaaf said:

which keel configuration and what are the typical conditions ? (light/medium/strong) - thanks

3 knots to 30 so far.  Fin Keel, single rudder, tiller, no water ballast.

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22 hours ago, ddmiller67 said:

Thanks for the update!

Did you mean to say you moved your mast "forward" to get rake?

Any data on shroud tension for different wind speeds?

 

Our Mast foot is aft, so that partners induces prebend.  

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1 hour ago, Student Sailor said:

3 knots to 30 so far.  Fin Keel, single rudder, tiller, no water ballast.

thanks ; I was wondering if fin keel (+ no ballast) is still good for shorthanded sailing ? I guess stability is somewhat reduced re bulbed version

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24 minutes ago, Furkolkjaaf said:

thanks ; I was wondering if fin keel (+ no ballast) is still good for shorthanded sailing ? I guess stability is somewhat reduced re bulbed version

We’ve raced coastal races double handed (no ballast) and practiced in that format in 25+ knots of wind on multiple occasions.  I can’t compare it to the bulb keel, but the boat with the fin is certainly very stiff.  The rudder is long, and it’s a safe design in my view.   As to which keel is faster on what points of the wind and wind speed ranges - I could not guess.

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In theory the fin keel should be superior upwind in the light to medium airs, light airs reaching and downwind in all pressures. IRC still favours the fin keel although the rating benefit has been significantly reduced 

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In this years Vineyard Race Class 5 a well sailed 99 and an 88 lost to a 105 boat for boat.....pretty interesting.  Anyone know what the conditions were?

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We just finished the Jcup in the UK and IRC class 1 was made up of 2 J122/E’s, a J112/E, 3 J88s, 2 J99s, a J100 and a J105. Could be the teams racing the boats but most of the time the J99s were near the back of the pack. In race 1 when it was breezy the J88s were a similar speed upwind to the J105 and the J100 but the fastest downwind of all the boats. The J99s didn’t seem to be able to hold onto the others upwind or down. The J100 despite having a furling jib and an old mainsail has reasonable speed upwind and reaching, the lack of bowsprit meant they suffered when vmg running. 
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46 minutes ago, JL92S said:

The J99s didn’t seem to be able to hold onto the others upwind or down.

Ouch. Not enough waterline upwind and too heavy downwind? Do you know what size kite they were running with?

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3 hours ago, GHarring19 said:

Bummer for those guys - but I haven't seen that. 105s and 109s cant beat us straight up. 

 

Are you the boat out of Monmouth Boat Club?

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8 hours ago, JL92S said:

We just finished the Jcup in the UK and IRC class 1 was made up of 2 J122/E’s, a J112/E, 3 J88s, 2 J99s, a J100 and a J105. Could be the teams racing the boats but most of the time the J99s were near the back of the pack. In race 1 when it was breezy the J88s were a similar speed upwind to the J105 and the J100 but the fastest downwind of all the boats. The J99s didn’t seem to be able to hold onto the others upwind or down. The J100 despite having a furling jib and an old mainsail has reasonable speed upwind and reaching, the lack of bowsprit meant they suffered when vmg running. 
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Wind speed range?

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On 9/8/2020 at 6:47 PM, Snowden said:

Ouch. Not enough waterline upwind and too heavy downwind? Do you know what size kite they were running with?

They just seemed to struggle. They were both running asymmetrics but not sure what the size was. They weren’t small ones though, put it that way...

On 9/9/2020 at 2:03 AM, Roleur said:

Wind speed range?

Race 1 was 20-30kts. Race 2, 3, 4 was 10-14kts, race 5 was 4-8kts, race 6 was 8-10 and race 7 was 12-20

 

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On 9/8/2020 at 9:03 PM, Roleur said:

Wind speed range?

It seems like the early results are mixed. Here is why I think:

- there is no tuning guide from J, North, Quantum, UK, etc - nobody! If someone has a guide please post it!

- boat set ups are very different - keels, water ballast, roller reefing, asyms vs syms

- the inhaulers make all the difference in the world, but they are complicated

- many of the drivers are going from wheel to stick, and the responsiveness is very different

My experience is - the boat is extremely fast versus 105 / 109 / 88 - but its going to take time to dial it in and Covid basically made that very difficult this year. One note I would also make - for 3-4 people, its really comfortable to cruise on, and you get where you are going damn fast!

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10 minutes ago, GHarring19 said:

- many of the drivers are going from wheel to stick

The second UK boat (not Jet) is wheel steered

 

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Jump 2 It is a wheel steered, IRC fin keel, alloy mast, asymmetric spinnaker boat running Doyle Sails

Jet is tiller steered, IRC fin keel, alloy mast, asymmetric boat running North Sails. 

Unsure if either boats have water ballast. Personally I don’t like the alloy mast, it is light as alloy masts go but the section is HUGE. Extremely chunky size can’t be good for the mainsail going upwind. The lack of bowsprit length seemed to hurt the boats downwind on a vmg run, on the 88 we were sailing a depth game in 10-16kts which the 99s couldn’t match and suffered, in the light airs downwind they stopped and the heavy airs they were nowhere. I also believe there’s more potential to be had from the 99 but over 18 months after they started racing there’s not much sign of progress. 

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2 hours ago, WANDERLUST said:

Seen the italian ORC 2020 one j99 called PALINURO and had good results.

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doyle sails with tuff luff

The first j99 offshore results I have seen was those of the new Thin Man in this year's Vineyard Race. Finished 3rd behind a Tripp 33 and J105 with a rating of 69.0 (69...hehehe, its been easy to remember) compared to their respective ratings of 81 and 90. She was able to beat Albondigas (the J88 from City Island) which was sailing to a rating of 81. Basically was corrected over by half of the PHRF fleet. She carries UK Carbon X sails and Matrix Spinnakers. 

The owner is probably not too happy about that result (;

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2 hours ago, SEC16518 said:

Thunder rates 78....Why 9sec slower than Thin Man?

What is Thunder's configuration?

 

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4 hours ago, JBOATTROUBLEMAKER said:

The first j99 offshore results I have seen was those of the new Thin Man in this year's Vineyard Race. Finished 3rd behind a Tripp 33 and J105 with a rating of 69.0 (69...hehehe, its been easy to remember) compared to their respective ratings of 81 and 90. She was able to beat Albondigas (the J88 from City Island) which was sailing to a rating of 81. Basically was corrected over by half of the PHRF fleet. She carries UK Carbon X sails and Matrix Spinnakers. 

The owner is probably not too happy about that result (;

A 69 rating seems "unaligned" with other ratings for the 99.  Seems like they are mostly 72-78.  Pretty sure Thin Man does not have water ballast, but probably does have the bulb keel.  I do wonder if the ORC fin keel is not all that.  It's slipperier, but heavier and less righting moment.  Also curious, does Thin Man rate the same as a the J/109's in the area?  That would be odd given their ORC ratings are about 10 sec/mil different.  

Didn't the Vineyard race have a lot of light air?  To my eye the J/99 is always going to struggle in light air in PHRF land.  

FYI, we raced a J/99 offshore in the 150nm Harvest Moon Regatta last Fall.  ORC ratings.  We finished between two J/105's with genoas, and ahead of the J/109.  All 3 owed us time.  We were 9th out of 23 OA in ORC.  That was a reasonable result given we'd never sailed together, only one person had been on the J/99 before, and only 1 person had raced offshore before.  

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So I own a tartan 101 which rates 75 and is nearly the same boat.  Much of what GHaring19 said I agree with.  I think the use of the inhaulers is critical.  Too much and you choke the sail by closing the slot, to early you don’t accelerate.  In light winds do you put some on, avoid using them, or in haul quite a bit once the boat accelerates? You have to get this dialed in to have success.   Finding polars  is very helpful for sure. Having two solid sailors on board helps a great deal as well then try and fill the remainder of the crew with regulars. Our boat loves crew weight on the rail, so when it’s windy you pay the price going upwind if you are shorthanded.  If someone with little experience is trimming the jib things go bad quickly.  Light air with the small non overlapping headsail is death in phrf when you face boats with giant head sails like a 109 or Express 37 or j 35.  You need multiple head sails as well. We just got a light wind head sail which we are excited about.  This all takes time.  Give this boat more time and I think it will get results.  We have had some success even against another j99 that just splashed this summer.  However, racing is quite different under covid so making comparisons is not really fair.  Again, give the crews and boat some time and it will end up working out.  You can’t just show up with a cool new boat and go against older boats with very experienced and dedicated crew and expect to do well.  You have to put the time in to get your boat dialed in.  Just my thoughts.  
 

btw these style of boats are a blast to sail and cruise with a family.  We’ve made some great memories in our 3 years of ownership. 

14 hours ago, GHarring19 said:

It seems like the early results are mixed. Here is why I think:

- there is no tuning guide from J, North, Quantum, UK, etc - nobody! If someone has a guide please post it!

- boat set ups are very different - keels, water ballast, roller reefing, asyms vs syms

- the inhaulers make all the difference in the world, but they are complicated

- many of the drivers are going from wheel to stick, and the responsiveness is very different

My experience is - the boat is extremely fast versus 105 / 109 / 88 - but its going to take time to dial it in and Covid basically made that very difficult this year. One note I would also make - for 3-4 people, its really comfortable to cruise on, and you get where you are going damn fast!

 

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8 hours ago, Roleur said:

A 69 rating seems "unaligned" with other ratings for the 99.  Seems like they are mostly 72-78.  Pretty sure Thin Man does not have water ballast, but probably does have the bulb keel.  I do wonder if the ORC fin keel is not all that.  It's slipperier, but heavier and less righting moment.  Also curious, does Thin Man rate the same as a the J/109's in the area?  That would be odd given their ORC ratings are about 10 sec/mil different.  

Didn't the Vineyard race have a lot of light air?  To my eye the J/99 is always going to struggle in light air in PHRF land.  

FYI, we raced a J/99 offshore in the 150nm Harvest Moon Regatta last Fall.  ORC ratings.  We finished between two J/105's with genoas, and ahead of the J/109.  All 3 owed us time.  We were 9th out of 23 OA in ORC.  That was a reasonable result given we'd never sailed together, only one person had been on the J/99 before, and only 1 person had raced offshore before.  

Thin Man does not have water ballast, and usually sails with a crew of 4. This year was a lot of light air, took some boats til Sunday to finish. The only other 99 in the area, is Agent 99, owned by the Johnstones, she rated 78 in last years much higher wind NYYC Round the Island Race and took 2nd overall, again though was corrected over by a J105...seems like a pattern.

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