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Hmm ... if ten thousand tuberculosis patients were going to assemble on Foggy Bottom, I think I would like them to have their own train too.

These racists have an odd kind of mental illness, should it possibly be quarantined from normal people?

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Oopsie.... Transit workers union is refusing to man the Nazi trains.

 

DC subway workers union refusing to staff special cars designated for white nationalists...

Source: RawStory



DC subway workers union refusing to staff special cars designated for white nationalists attending Unite the Right anniversary rally 

BOB BRIGHAM 
04 AUG 2018 AT 13:02 ET  

The Amalgamated Transit Union Local 689, the largest union for Washington, DC’s public transit system, is refusing to go along with a plan to have separate trains for participants of a controversial “Unite the Right” rally planned for August 12. 

-snip- 

Transit workers were revolted by the proposal. 

“Sources have shared with ATU Local 689 that a hate group with Ku Klux Klan affiliation will be provided three private Metro rail cars and police escort to Foggy Bottom Metro Station for the ‘Unite the Right’ 2018 rally,” ATU Local 698 said in a statement. 

“More than 80% of Local 689’s membership is people of color, the very people that the Ku Klux Klan and other white nationalist groups have killed, harassed and violated,” the statement continued. “The union has declared that it will not play a role in their special accommodation.”T 


Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/dc-subway-workers-union-refusing-staff-special-cars-designated-white-nationalists-attending-unite-right-anniversary-rally/ 

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24 minutes ago, RKoch said:

Oopsie.... Transit workers union is refusing to man the Nazi trains.

 

DC subway workers union refusing to staff special cars designated for white nationalists...

Source: RawStory



DC subway workers union refusing to staff special cars designated for white nationalists attending Unite the Right anniversary rally 

BOB BRIGHAM 
04 AUG 2018 AT 13:02 ET  

The Amalgamated Transit Union Local 689, the largest union for Washington, DC’s public transit system, is refusing to go along with a plan to have separate trains for participants of a controversial “Unite the Right” rally planned for August 12. 

-snip- 

Transit workers were revolted by the proposal. 

“Sources have shared with ATU Local 689 that a hate group with Ku Klux Klan affiliation will be provided three private Metro rail cars and police escort to Foggy Bottom Metro Station for the ‘Unite the Right’ 2018 rally,” ATU Local 698 said in a statement. 

“More than 80% of Local 689’s membership is people of color, the very people that the Ku Klux Klan and other white nationalist groups have killed, harassed and violated,” the statement continued. “The union has declared that it will not play a role in their special accommodation.”T 


Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/dc-subway-workers-union-refusing-staff-special-cars-designated-white-nationalists-attending-unite-right-anniversary-rally/ 

And that's because they are good people, and acting honestly.

Most of the Nazis and KKK'ers are so dumb they would actually get on a train or a bus operated by the very people they intend to lynch and exterminate.

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Shut down Metro that day for "deferred maintenance."

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They should make them sit in the back of the train and see if anyone picks up on it. 

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5 hours ago, mikewof said:

Hmm ... if ten thousand tuberculosis patients were going to assemble on Foggy Bottom, I think I would like them to have their own train too.

These racists have an odd kind of mental illness, should it possibly be quarantined from normal people?

 Yeah.

The probability of violence is so high that to allow this to go down on cars that may have old folks and little kids on them would be gross negligence, at minimum. That said I would charter buses. Very short ones.  

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good for the ATU.

Whilst it MAY cause violence on PT, sheltering these people from public scrutiny is NOT the way to go.

Much easier to simply put added policing and security on the trains buses and stations. 

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8 minutes ago, RKoch said:

Might be possible to arrange for garbage trucks to transport them. Should be plenty of room...

After they squish them in.

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17 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

What fucking moron came up with that idea?  In fact they should shut the subway down for the day and make the nazis walk through Brentwood on the way to their rally.  Let's see how many actually make it through the gauntlet.....

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11 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

What fucking moron came up with that idea?  In fact they should shut the subway down for the day and make the nazis walk through Brentwood on the way to their rally.  Let's see how many actually make it through the gauntlet.....

I was thinking more like load them all on the special train then park it in a dead end tunnel somewhere....

FKT

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"What fucking moron came up with that idea?  In fact they should shut the subway down for the day and make the nazis walk through Brentwood on the way to their rally.  Let's see how many actually make it through the gauntlet....."

 

That's not in any way condoning punching nazis......is it?

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Pack them all into a train to take them to a special camp?  Sounds oddly familiar. 

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“This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government for white men.”

 

 

 

Those were the days. MAGA!

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The problem is most likely they cant deny them a permit and i would suspect as deplorable as the rally is there under huge pressure to avoid another Charlottesville so until things change about who they have to give a permit to there in a very difficult position with no possible way out other than keeping things under aggressive control

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5 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

What fucking moron came up with that idea?  In fact they should shut the subway down for the day and make the nazis walk through Brentwood on the way to their rally.  Let's see how many actually make it through the gauntlet.....

Who are you, and what have you done with Jeff?

-DSK

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6 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Who are you, and what have you done with Jeff?

-DSK

Jeff’s just looking for a reason to go on a walk with his buddies.

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21 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Jeff’s just looking for a reason to go on a walk with his buddies.

Fuck off, you deliberately disingenuous cunt!

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2 hours ago, pond sailor said:

"What fucking moron came up with that idea?  In fact they should shut the subway down for the day and make the nazis walk through Brentwood on the way to their rally.  Let's see how many actually make it through the gauntlet....."

 

That's not in any way condoning punching nazis......is it?

Hey if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  I've embraced the idea of punching nazis as the right thing to do.  I can't wait for the craze to punch some other undesirable groups we don't like to catch on.  Once we get tired of nazi pummeling - we need to move on to drug dealers, Christian bible thumpers, smokers, short guys who drive BMWs, J105 Sailors, and the Dutch.  

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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Hey if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  I've embraced the idea of punching nazis as the right thing to do.  I can't wait for the craze to punch some other undesirable groups we don't like to catch on.  Once we get tired of nazi pummeling - we need to move on to drug dealers, Christian bible thumpers, smokers, short guys who drive BMWs, J105 Sailors, and the Dutch.  

What's your point?

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22 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

What's your point?

 he's claiming smokers, short BMW drivers, J105 owners, and the Dutch, are equivalent to Nazis. Not sure if his source is InfoWars or 4Chan. 

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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Hey if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  I've embraced the idea of punching nazis as the right thing to do.  I can't wait for the craze to punch some other undesirable groups we don't like to catch on.  Once we get tired of nazi pummeling - we need to move on to drug dealers, Christian bible thumpers, smokers, short guys who drive BMWs, J105 Sailors, and the Dutch.  

I get your point.  But there will always be an element of street justice outside of the law.  There is no getting around it. Laws need to written down in black and white. Social norms are fluid. 

If I walk into a biker bar and tell a patron I think his wife is a cunt, the social norm would be for the patron to justifiably kick my ass, while the law says he is guilty of battery.  He goes to jail, but I still have to go to the hospital and dentist.

I say let the nazis take a regular train and let social norms play out.  Let it be a teaching moment for them. See how enjoyable it is to reflect on their right to free speech while in a semi private room watching shitty daytime TV with IVs in their arm.

As for your examples, they are a bit extreme, aside from drug dealers. And the Dutch. 

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2 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I've embraced the idea of punching nazis as the right thing to do.

Jeff, you have consistently seen the violence as a one sided thing and defended the other side. As a self-described moderate, that just doesn't fly.

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"Once we get tired of nazi pummeling - we need to move on to drug dealers, Christian bible thumpers, smokers, short guys who drive BMWs, J105 Sailors, and the Dutch. "

 

Well shit, that gives you a couple of reasons to beat the hell outta me.

 

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14 minutes ago, benwynn said:

I get your point.  But there will always be an element of street justice outside of the law.  There is no getting around it. Laws need to written down in black and white. Social norms are fluid. 

If I walk into a biker bar and tell a patron I think his wife is a cunt, the social norm would be for the patron to justifiably kick my ass, while the law says he is guilty of battery.  He goes to jail, but I still have to go to the hospital and dentist.

I say let the nazis take a regular train and let social norms play out.  Let it be a teaching moment for them. See how enjoyable it is to reflect on their right to free speech while in a semi private room watching shitty daytime TV with IVs in their arm.

As for your examples, they are a bit extreme, aside from drug dealers. And the Dutch. 

The problem with letting the Nazis ride on normally scheduled train is what happened in Seattle (or was it Portland?),  when a Nazi was harassing a couple of Muslim women on a train and stabbed and killed a couple of guys that came to their defense. Just like violent wild animals, Nazis can't be allowed in public. If they can't be contained and laughed at in a zoo, then shoot them. 

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2 minutes ago, pond sailor said:

"Once we get tired of nazi pummeling - we need to move on to drug dealers, Christian bible thumpers, smokers, short guys who drive BMWs, J105 Sailors, and the Dutch. "

 

Well shit, that gives you a couple of reasons to beat the hell outta me.

 

Not all J105 sailors are bad. I've sailed 'em, and depending on who asks, I might sail one again some day.

Smokers: just returned from Canada after two months, and I think the percentage of smokers is a little higher than here. But they seem far more considerate and cleanly than American smokers, the absence of butts thrown all over the sidewalk is a nice change.

The Dutch? Aww c'mon man, first of all they sail cool boats and 2nd what's wrong with tulips????

-DSK

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2 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Not all J105 sailors are bad. I've sailed 'em, and depending on who asks, I might sail one again some day.

Smokers: just returned from Canada after two months, and I think the percentage of smokers is a little higher than here. But they seem far more considerate and cleanly than American smokers, the absence of butts thrown all over the sidewalk is a nice change.

The Dutch? Aww c'mon man, first of all they sail cool boats and 2nd what's wrong with tulips????

-DSK

Hillary is hording tulips in the basement of a pizza parlor. All right-thinking Patriots are advised to take up arms and restore those tulips to their rightful place in the free-market. Your country is counting on you!

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55 minutes ago, RKoch said:

 he's claiming smokers, short BMW drivers, J105 owners, and the Dutch, are equivalent to Nazis. Not sure if his source is InfoWars or 4Chan. 

I know that - maybe I should have said "So what's wrong with all that".

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1 hour ago, RKoch said:

 he's claiming smokers, short BMW drivers, J105 owners, and the Dutch, are equivalent to Nazis. Not sure if his source is InfoWars or 4Chan. 

Sounds like InfoWars. Jeff just can't find another group that is political organized, violently sexist, and calling for racial and ethnic genocide to make his slippery slope argument. Poor guy. He's tried everything. Gangs, all sorts of sex criminals, vegans (who we know are mostly girls), hipsters, and now this group.

How about the gun lobby Borg who wants to weld deadly technology to everybody and their brother? There's a politically organized bunch that is calling for an agnostic, post race genocide. Use them Jeff.

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12 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Fuck off, you deliberately disingenuous cunt!

I dunno man, but there’s only a couple guys here who continually post lost white-privilege content. Must suck to be you.

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On 8/5/2018 at 9:30 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

Hey if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  I've embraced the idea of punching nazis as the right thing to do.  I can't wait for the craze to punch some other undesirable groups we don't like to catch on.  Once we get tired of nazi pummeling - we need to move on to drug dealers, Christian bible thumpers, smokers, short guys who drive BMWs, J105 Sailors, and the Dutch.  

It's not good to punch Nazis. Their boney heads might hurt your fist.

Given that there are more brains in an average person's fist, than in a Nazi's head, it's not an equitable trade.

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On 8/5/2018 at 1:56 PM, Olsonist said:

Jeff, you have consistently seen the violence as a one sided thing and defended the other side. As a self-described moderate, that just doesn't fly.

You have absolutely no basis in fact for that comment. 

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On 8/5/2018 at 2:25 PM, lasal said:

Sounds like InfoWars. Jeff just can't find another group that is political organized, violently sexist, and calling for racial and ethnic genocide to make his slippery slope argument. Poor guy. He's tried everything. Gangs, all sorts of sex criminals, vegans (who we know are mostly girls), hipsters, and now this group.

How about the gun lobby Borg who wants to weld deadly technology to everybody and their brother? There's a politically organized bunch that is calling for an agnostic, post race genocide. Use them Jeff.

You really do need to get some air.  

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1 hour ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

You have absolutely no basis in fact for that comment. 

Jeff's posting history is enough.

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17 hours ago, Raz'r said:
On 8/5/2018 at 9:10 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

Fuck off, you deliberately disingenuous cunt!

I dunno man, but there’s only a couple guys here who continually post lost white-privilege content. Must suck to be you.

They're not here for white power, they're here for the fun. They say.

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On 8/5/2018 at 12:43 PM, benwynn said:

I get your point.  But there will always be an element of street justice outside of the law.  There is no getting around it. Laws need to written down in black and white. Social norms are fluid. 

If I walk into a biker bar and tell a patron I think his wife is a cunt, the social norm would be for the patron to justifiably kick my ass, while the law says he is guilty of battery.  He goes to jail, but I still have to go to the hospital and dentist.

I say let the nazis take a regular train and let social norms play out.  Let it be a teaching moment for them. See how enjoyable it is to reflect on their right to free speech while in a semi private room watching shitty daytime TV with IVs in their arm.

As for your examples, they are a bit extreme, aside from drug dealers. And the Dutch. 

I’m going to have to agree. I support and feel bad for the cops stuck protecting these shitbags while they excercise their constitutional rights, but....  I’m not the least bit concerned if their particular choice to be a hateful piece of shit comes back to haunt them. 

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2 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:
On 8/5/2018 at 1:56 PM, Olsonist said:

Jeff, you have consistently seen the violence as a one sided thing and defended the other side. As a self-described moderate, that just doesn't fly.

You have absolutely no basis in fact for that comment. 

Actually, he does.

Jeff's got a long history of saying that Nazis have every right to do what they do but the Nazi-protestors are somehow inherently vile and unConstitutional. He's not alone in this, either

-DSK

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4 hours ago, mikewof said:

It's not good to punch Nazis. Their boney heads might hurt your fist.

Given that there are more brains in an average person's fist, than in a Nazi's head, it's not an equitable trade.

That's why God invented clubs, tire irons, baseball bats etc.

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Hire your own wheels you lazy cunts. Aren’t the poor things edumacated enough to drive? 

Bunch of tough guys having to use public transport to get together for an outing. 

That’s pathetic.

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I remember reading a quote from some British Upper Class woman in the 1930's wherein she stated that "Anyone seen on public transportation after the age of 30 can be considered a failure".

Words to live by IMO.

Except the London tube that is.

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

I remember reading a quote from some British Upper Class woman in the 1930's wherein she stated that "Anyone seen on public transportation after the age of 30 can be considered a failure".

Words to live by IMO.

Except the London tube that is.

Or the Sydney ferries. I can & do travel on them all day for $2.50.

That statement long-predates gridlock and lack of parking in big cities. Hell will freeze over before I drive into the Sydney CBD unless someone is paying me large sums of money to do so *and* providing me with a parking place.

FKT

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4 hours ago, Monkey said:

I’m going to have to agree. I support and feel bad for the cops stuck protecting these shitbags while they excercise their constitutional rights, but....  I’m not the least bit concerned if their particular choice to be a hateful piece of shit comes back to haunt them. 

  It's not just the Nazis, it's the bystanders who always get caught up  who are being protected. Would anyone here say that there's nothing dangerous in being one of the other passengers who just happened to be on the car or bus when the Nazi's board it to get to their rally in DC??

 It's a safe bet every sane person who hopes a riot might happens has never been in one.  

  

 

 

  

   

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9 hours ago, Mark K said:

  It's not just the Nazis, it's the bystanders who always get caught up  who are being protected. Would anyone here say that there's nothing dangerous in being one of the other passengers who just happened to be on the car or bus when the Nazi's board it to get to their rally in DC??

 It's a safe bet every sane person who hopes a riot might happens has never been in one.  

  

 

 

  

   

Easier to just ban the Nazis from metro than try and control them.

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15 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Actually, he does.

Jeff's got a long history of saying that Nazis have every right to do what they do but the Nazi-protestors are somehow inherently vile and unConstitutional. He's not alone in this, either

-DSK

I've never said that, and I don't recall a single instance of him every saying that either.  IMHO, that's a conflation on the parts of the people who want a pass for the poor behavior coming from people they agree with.  

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39 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I've never said that, and I don't recall a single instance of him every saying that either.  IMHO, that's a conflation on the parts of the people who want a pass for the poor behavior coming from people they agree with.  

Ummm, no.

If Nazis and KKK'ers are equally as bad as Antifa, which seems to be the generalized assertion that Jeff makes fairly often (and again, he's not alone on that), then both should be equally condemned. Instead the righties here all condemn Antifa.

I've never said they're equal because they're not. Nazis and KKK'ers are subhuman traitors, they have already declared themselves to be enemies of American principles. I feel that as a good citizen that I should not have to share the planet's limited oxygen with them. Antifa? I condemn their violence. OTOH there is nothing inherently treasonous or vile about their beliefs.

-DSK

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20 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Ummm, no.

If Nazis and KKK'ers are equally as bad as Antifa, which seems to be the generalized assertion that Jeff makes fairly often (and again, he's not alone on that), then both should be equally condemned. Instead the righties here all condemn Antifa.

I've never said they're equal because they're not. Nazis and KKK'ers are subhuman traitors, they have already declared themselves to be enemies of American principles. I feel that as a good citizen that I should not have to share the planet's limited oxygen with them. Antifa? I condemn their violence. OTOH there is nothing inherently treasonous or vile about their beliefs.

-DSK

Steamers, the fallacy of your assertion is that anyone is equating the groups.  What HAS been said is that anyone who initiates violence to prevent speech that they dislike is wrong, regardless of their motivation for doing so.    That's quite a bit different than the conflation that You, Flash and many others are trying to spin.   

 

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9 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Steamers, the fallacy of your assertion is that anyone is equating the groups.  What HAS been said is that anyone who initiates violence to prevent speech that they dislike is wrong, regardless of their motivation for doing so.    That's quite a bit different than the conflation that You, Flash and many others are trying to spin.   

 

And yet, it's always the Nazis who initiate the violence. 

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3 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Of course.

And yet you deny that you imply equivalence.

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3 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Steamers, the fallacy of your assertion is that anyone is equating the groups.  What HAS been said is that anyone who initiates violence to prevent speech that they dislike is wrong, regardless of their motivation for doing so.    That's quite a bit different than the conflation that You, Flash and many others are trying to spin.   

 

Really?

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/199950-just-a-reminder/&tab=comments#comment-6284342

Then there's http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/186770-free-speech-rally-in-boston-steam-flyer-heres-your-chance/&tab=comments#comment-5890205

Probably one of the best examples http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/186583-unitetheright/&page=7&tab=comments#comment-5886507

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:
36 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Steamers, the fallacy of your assertion is that anyone is equating the groups.  What HAS been said is that anyone who initiates violence to prevent speech that they dislike is wrong, regardless of their motivation for doing so.    That's quite a bit different than the conflation that You, Flash and many others are trying to spin.   

 

Really?

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/199950-just-a-reminder/&tab=comments#comment-6284342

Then there's http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/186770-free-speech-rally-in-boston-steam-flyer-heres-your-chance/&tab=comments#comment-5890205

Probably one of the best examples http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/186583-unitetheright/&page=7&tab=comments#comment-5886507

I've said all along it's not a matter of "speech I dislike." You and Jeff want to put in those words so that you can make excuses for trying to equate murderous fascists who would happily shred the US Constitution, and advocate the use of violence to achieve this; with people who like the Constitution OK and are willing to use violence against the people in the above group.

There isn't any equivalence. Nazis and KKK'ers are enemies of the US and it's citizens; they intend to murder my family. The US Constitution does not defend this as "free speech."

-DSK

 

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19 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

And yet you deny that you imply equivalence.

I am saying that initiating violence to suppress on opinion you disagree with is wrong, regardless of you thinking that your opinion is morally superior. 

People who have protested with Antifa have demonstrated on many occasions that they're more interested in havoc, mayhem and violence than in furthering an anti-fascist message.  When they act exactly like those that they claim to be countering? They lose any moral authority they might have otherwise been due. 

 

5 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Go read each of those again, Steamers - they're reinforcing my point.  

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1 minute ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

...     ...     ...

Go read each of those again, Steamers - they're reinforcing my point.  

What, that Jeff is saying over and over that Nazis and Antifa are equally bad, and he attacks Antifa for being too violent; and you agree with him?

Gee, how could I have missed that

-DSK

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4 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I've said all along it's not a matter of "speech I dislike." You and Jeff want to put in those words so that you can make excuses for trying to equate murderous fascists who would happily shred the US Constitution, and advocate the use of violence to achieve this; with people who like the Constitution OK and are willing to use violence against the people in the above group.

There isn't any equivalence. Nazis and KKK'ers are enemies of the US and it's citizens; they intend to murder my family. The US Constitution does not defend this as "free speech."

-DSK

 

Do tell....  They are myopic, hateful individuals - and the moment that they act or make plans to act on their message?  They then can and should be stopped - by cops, by engaged civilians acting in defense of self and others. 

If "acting in the interest of public safety" is the pivotal consideration, then why not go after the murderous drug dealers like Duterte' is doing?  

You and everyone else who advocate for one group being applauded for initiating violence while enjoying the violence being inflicted on the other are simply wrong.  But, I'm not going to change your mind - c'mon up to DC this weekend - you'll have plenty of chance to bust white supremacist heads.  Don't be surprised if you get your head busted while you're being cuffed and stuffed into the back of a car, because to the cops, a violent asshole is a violent asshole.  

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4 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

are you having a case of the same Charlottsville amnesia Jeff came down with?

Not at all - there were many incidents of violence that day in Charlottesville - the white supremacists started some, the counter-protestors started some.  In each case?  Whoever swung first was wrong.  Y'all want to put down the Nazi nonsense?  Then attack the message - expose it to the ridicule it warrants.  Violent confrontation, as personally satisfying as it might be, will embolden them and gain them sympathy and support.   I don't think that that's what any reasonable person wants. 

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6 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

People who have protested with Antifa have demonstrated on many occasions that they're more interested in havoc, mayhem and violence than in furthering an anti-fascist message.  When they act exactly like those that they claim to be countering? They lose any moral authority they might have otherwise been due. 

So, you dislike Antifa more than white nationalists? You just mimicked Fox News. Your goal is to marginalize opposition to white nationalism. That's why you use terms like "lynching."

I prefer counter-protesting racist thugs like this https://nyti.ms/2vHcTpH   but what Antifa has done is drawn out those who tolerate fascism and racism. These tolerant ones are so easily swayed by the MSM. So ready to talk about states' rights and the big C, as long as racist speech is being countered.

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38 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Of course.

are you having a case of the same Charlottsville amnesia Jeff came down with?

Funny thing, I recall at the time that a few resident righties were pretty straightforward and sensible in condemning the Nazi and KKK marchers at Charlottesville. But it looks like they've gotten comfy again in their seats on the big red bus.

 

1 minute ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Do tell....  They are myopic, hateful individuals - and the moment that they act or make plans to act on their message?  They then can and should be stopped - by cops, by engaged civilians acting in defense of self and others. 

If "acting in the interest of public safety" is the pivotal consideration, then why not go after the murderous drug dealers like Duterte' is doing?  

You and everyone else who advocate for one group being applauded for initiating violence while enjoying the violence being inflicted on the other are simply wrong.  But, I'm not going to change your mind - c'mon up to DC this weekend - you'll have plenty of chance to bust white supremacist heads.  Don't be surprised if you get your head busted while you're being cuffed and stuffed into the back of a car, because to the cops, a violent asshole is a violent asshole.  

You seem to mistake freedom of speech with the right to incite racially-motivated murder, to conspire to commit murder, and to incite treason.

You also seem to have a few violent fantasies of seeing those you disagree with get their heads busted.

-DSK

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16 minutes ago, lasal said:

So, you dislike Antifa more than white nationalists? You just mimicked Fox News. Your goal is to marginalize opposition to white nationalism. That's why you use terms like "lynching."

I prefer counter-protesting racist thugs like this https://nyti.ms/2vHcTpH   but what Antifa has done is drawn out those who tolerate fascism and racism. These tolerant ones are so easily swayed by the MSM. So ready to talk about states' rights and the big C, as long as racist speech is being countered.

Where in the world do you come up with this specious BS?   My goal is to eliminate the message of hate, and you do that by demonstrating why the message is wrong, not by being more hateful.   

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14 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Funny thing, I recall at the time that a few resident righties were pretty straightforward and sensible in condemning the Nazi and KKK marchers at Charlottesville. But it looks like they've gotten comfy again in their seats on the big red bus.

 

You seem to mistake freedom of speech with the right to incite racially-motivated murder, to conspire to commit murder, and to incite treason.

You also seem to have a few violent fantasies of seeing those you disagree with get their heads busted.

-DSK

Seems more like YOU are mistaken w/r/t the right of free speech.  My violent fantasies?  Naw - I've had enough in real life to not miss it.   

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1 minute ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:
16 minutes ago, lasal said:

So, you dislike Antifa more than white nationalists? You just mimicked Fox News. Your goal is to marginalize opposition to white nationalism. That's why you use terms like "lynching."

I prefer counter-protesting racist thugs like this https://nyti.ms/2vHcTpH   but what Antifa has done is drawn out those who tolerate fascism and racism. These tolerant ones are so easily swayed by the MSM. So ready to talk about states' rights and the big C, as long as racist speech is being countered.

Where in the world do you come up with this specious BS?   My goal is to eliminate the message of hate, and you do that by demonstrating why the message if wrong, not by being more hateful. 

If that's the case why in the world would you say Antifa is a "preemptive lynch mob"? And then you say people in Antifa are, "more interested in havoc, mayhem and violence than in furthering an anti-fascist message." Sounds like white backlash, loud and clear.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, lasal said:

If that's the case why in the world would you say Antifa is a "preemptive lynch mob"? And then you say people in Antifa are, "more interested in havoc, mayhem and violence than in furthering an anti-fascist message." Sounds like white backlash, loud and clear.

 

Sounds like a loud and clear recollection of their actual behavior - nothing more.   You want to excuse it because you think that the white supremacists are so terrible that they shouldn't be permitted a voice - and that is contrary to our constitution and rule of law.   Like I told Steamers - c'mon out to DC - fly in to National, and you can catch the metro across the river to downtown - ya might even have the chance to share a seat with some of those you hate, and be able to tell them exactly what you think of 'em.  

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22 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Seems more like YOU are mistaken w/r/t the right of free speech.  My violent fantasies?  Naw - I've had enough in real life to not miss it.   

Conspiring to commit murder is protected under the Constitution?

Do tell

-DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

Conspiring to commit murder is protected under the Constitution?

Do tell

-DSK

You know this - if you don't, look up the legal standard for something to be considered a conspiracy to commit a crime.  I'm not going to spoon feed you. 

When anyone's done that?  They should be prosecuted. If someone's simply running their mouths?  That stupidity is protected.   

Have fun with the circle jerk, who's got pivot? 

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20 hours ago, Mark K said:

  It's not just the Nazis, it's the bystanders who always get caught up  who are being protected. Would anyone here say that there's nothing dangerous in being one of the other passengers who just happened to be on the car or bus when the Nazi's board it to get to their rally in DC??

 It's a safe bet every sane person who hopes a riot might happens has never been in one.  

  

 

 

  

   

You’re absolutely right. I meant my comment in more of a hypothetical concept. 

However, I’d love for all the goons in the area to unite and ride the trains providing “volunteer security.”  Think Hell’s Angels versus those Westboro Baptist fucks. Just imagine those cowardly shitbags debating boarding a subway car when it’s already half full of bikers, gangbangers, etc. They could stay non-violent while scaring the shit out of some bad people. Hell, I bet rival gangs would even play nice if it meant a day of scaring the shit out out of Nazi assholes. If the show of force is big enough, force isn’t necessary. 

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23 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

I remember reading a quote from some British Upper Class woman in the 1930's wherein she stated that "Anyone seen on public transportation after the age of 30 can be considered a failure".

Words to live by IMO.

Except the London tube that is.

Depends on where you live.... but you carry on with the broad brush statements. 

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13 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Easier to just ban the Nazis from metro than try and control them.

 It's a nice thought, but in practical application some luckless bastard would be charged with deciding who is and who isn't a Nazi at the door of the car, lotsa luck with that.

 

  

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3 minutes ago, Mark K said:

 It's a nice thought, but in practical application some luckless bastard would be charged with deciding who is and who isn't a Nazi at the door of the car, lotsa luck with that.

 

  

The Nazis love armbands. Should be easy to sort them out.

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1 minute ago, Raz'r said:

The Nazis love armbands  MAGA hats.  Should be easy to sort them out.

    FIFY.  

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18 minutes ago, Mark K said:

    FIFY.  

Fuck off. I’ll admit Trump’s an ass, but automatically lumping his voters in with Nazi’s is exactly why the two main parties won’t play nice anymore. Reasonable politicians that reach across the aisle to find a happy medium never stand a chance because of statements just like yours. 

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2 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Fuck off. I’ll admit Trump’s an ass, but automatically lumping his voters in with Nazi’s is exactly why the two main parties won’t play nice anymore. Reasonable politicians that reach across the aisle to find a happy medium never stand a chance because of statements just like yours. 

That didn’t take long!

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3 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Fuck off. I’ll admit Trump’s an ass, but automatically lumping his voters in with Nazi’s is exactly why the two main parties won’t play nice anymore. Reasonable politicians that reach across the aisle to find a happy medium never stand a chance because of statements just like yours. 

Why would any non-Trump party play nice with the Trump party? 

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6 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Fuck off. I’ll admit Trump’s an ass, but automatically lumping his voters in with Nazi’s is exactly why the two main parties won’t play nice anymore. Reasonable politicians that reach across the aisle to find a happy medium never stand a chance because of statements just like yours. 

Bogus argument - this Trump situation is not simply political disagreement - it's about a demagogue leading a slide into a fascist state.

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10 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Fuck off. I’ll admit Trump’s an ass, but automatically lumping his voters in with Nazi’s is exactly why the two main parties won’t play nice anymore. Reasonable politicians that reach across the aisle to find a happy medium never stand a chance because of statements just like yours. 

 What part of my comment meant, to you, that all MAGA wearers are Nazis? It's your guilt-trip, not mine.    

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1 hour ago, Monkey said:

Fuck off. I’ll admit Trump’s an ass, but automatically lumping his voters in with Nazi’s is exactly why the two main parties won’t play nice anymore. Reasonable politicians that reach across the aisle to find a happy medium never stand a chance because of statements just like yours. 

Are you saying that we can't have nice things because libruls won't ignore the fascist elephant in the room?

BTW, this is really very strange to me because asses (donkeys) are the Democratic critter and elephants are the GOP's. As much as I hate Cheeto, I'd rather you didn't call him an ass because I, sir, am an ass.

 

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1 hour ago, Monkey said:

Fuck off. I’ll admit Trump’s an ass, but automatically lumping his voters in with Nazi’s is exactly why the two main parties won’t play nice anymore. Reasonable politicians that reach across the aisle to find a happy medium never stand a chance because of statements just like yours. 

Trump voters voted for a Nazi, therefore they are Nazi supporters. There is no reaching across the aisle...how can a civilized society compromise with Nazis?  Allow them to gas only 3 million Jews instead of 6? 

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The rally isn't until this weekend, but Nazi violence started already. This aerospace engineer was attacked Monday night by a Nazi...fortunately an arrest was made.

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13 hours ago, Monkey said:

You’re absolutely right. I meant my comment in more of a hypothetical concept. 

However, I’d love for all the goons in the area to unite and ride the trains providing “volunteer security.”  Think Hell’s Angels versus those Westboro Baptist fucks. Just imagine those cowardly shitbags debating boarding a subway car when it’s already half full of bikers, gangbangers, etc. They could stay non-violent while scaring the shit out of some bad people. Hell, I bet rival gangs would even play nice if it meant a day of scaring the shit out out of Nazi assholes. If the show of force is big enough, force isn’t necessary. 

It was bikers, indeed - but, normal guys like me, not the 1% who came together as the Patriot Guard Riders to insulate mourners from the WBC kooks.   I like your idea, though - the mere presence of a bunch of people who wouldn't put up with any BS standing there quietly was enough to keep them in their place, while still affording them the right to spew their hateful nonsense.   

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11 hours ago, RKoch said:
13 hours ago, Monkey said:

Fuck off. I’ll admit Trump’s an ass, but automatically lumping his voters in with Nazi’s is exactly why the two main parties won’t play nice anymore. Reasonable politicians that reach across the aisle to find a happy medium never stand a chance because of statements just like yours. 

Trump voters voted for a Nazi, therefore they are Nazi supporters. There is no reaching across the aisle...how can a civilized society compromise with Nazis?  Allow them to gas only 3 million Jews instead of 6? 

The point Monkey might be groping for, and I agree with, is that we can't improve the situation by rubbing all Republicans' faces in the shit they've brought on the country.

Republicans and conservatives, ask yourselves: Why did Trump succeed as a candidate? Because he was THE most hateful, The most racist, THE most like all the hate-spew media BS'ers you all listen to? Does President Trump really represent a majority of Americans? Is he really working in the best interest of a majority of Americans?

IMHO the Trumpers are just the same as the old-time monarchists, believing in the divine right of the wealthy to fuck over everybody else (especially those darn lazy minority people, and immigrants). They've succeeded in helping a narrow wing of the Republican Party grab onto an oligarchic plutocracy, and they're happy because 99.5% of the country is getting truly fucked over.

Will this continue? In light of last night's election results, I have hope that it won't.

Something else to think about: in the vast majority of cases in history where this type of leadership had a solid grip on a country, that country went into a massive decline often including defeat in a major war. The Trumpsters would love this. Would you?

-DSK

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13 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

The point Monkey might be groping for, and I agree with, is that we can't improve the situation by rubbing all Republicans' faces in the shit they've brought on the country.

Republicans and conservatives, ask yourselves: Why did Trump succeed as a candidate? Because he was THE most hateful, The most racist, THE most like all the hate-spew media BS'ers you all listen to? Does President Trump really represent a majority of Americans? Is he really working in the best interest of a majority of Americans?

IMHO the Trumpers are just the same as the old-time monarchists, believing in the divine right of the wealthy to fuck over everybody else (especially those darn lazy minority people, and immigrants). They've succeeded in helping a narrow wing of the Republican Party grab onto an oligarchic plutocracy, and they're happy because 99.5% of the country is getting truly fucked over.

Will this continue? In light of last night's election results, I have hope that it won't.

Something else to think about: in the vast majority of cases in history where this type of leadership had a solid grip on a country, that country went into a massive decline often including defeat in a major war. The Trumpsters would love this. Would you?

-DSK

Trump won because conservative understand ALL LIVES MATTER.

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