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Fish On !

 

Guy on powerboat "  Fish finder says we got a big one right below us....."

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fortunately no injuries reported. but that had to be by inches.

 

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I call it threat with bodily harm or even attempted murder. If he spilled any oil, hit him with OPA 90’. 

Sail Safe!

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The guys on the fishin' machine have life jackets on, the sailor is on the cell phone to his lawyer.

Glad that there were no serious injuries.

Fucking fisheads.  I hope the charter captain loses his license.

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here is another pic.  Looks like the J may have been on Port tack when it was hit based on the way the jib is sheeted.  I could be wrong.  J is still upright and afloat with mast still attached   good construction or just a one in a million hit?

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Just now, Marcjsmith said:

here is another pic.  Looks like the J may have been on Port tack when it was hit based on the way the jib is sheeted.  I could be wrong.  J is still upright and afloat with mast still attached   good construction or just a one in a million hit?

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Pardon me.  But, why does it matter on which tack a sailboat is sailing when it gets hits by a powerboat?

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JUST SHOWS THAT ANY ASSHAT CAN GET A CAPTIAN'S LICENCE A BIG FUCK YOU TO HIM

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I like how everyone is so nonchalant about it, just standing around..

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13 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Pardon me.  But, why does it matter on which tack a sailboat is sailing when it gets hits by a powerboat?

It doesn't just wanted to post another pic.  but it could have been a complete surprise coming from the leeward side. and not like the J had any were to go to avoid

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20 minutes ago, Marcjsmith said:

here is another pic.  Looks like the J may have been on Port tack when it was hit based on the way the jib is sheeted.  I could be wrong.  J is still upright and afloat with mast still attached   good construction or just a one in a million hit?

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I'm sure there's extensive damage. Glad no one was hurt.

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Glad no one was hurt.  

Am I the only one seeing the humor in the fact that the powerboat propped up so nicely on top of a J105 named, "Levitation?"

 

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Had that exact thing happen to me and a friend on his Ensign on Long Island Sound years ago.  We were heading to a race off of Manhasset on a Saturday.  Guy on his 30'+ sport fisherman was on autopilot cleaning his fish when he came through our boom at probably 10 knots.  Rig stayed up and we got towed in bruised and battered.  Not sunk, but the boat was totalled. 

We were on also port.  Didn't seem to matter to the cops or the insurance company.

He offered us a fish.  To make it all better.  

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8 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Had that exact thing happen to me and a friend on his Ensign on Long Island Sound years ago.  We were heading to a race off of Manhasset on a Saturday.  Guy on his 30'+ sport fisherman was on autopilot cleaning his fish when he came through our boom at probably 10 knots.  Rig stayed up and we got towed in bruised and battered.  Not sunk, but the boat was totalled. 

We were on also port.  Didn't seem to matter to the cops or the insurance company.

He offered us a fish.  To make it all better.  

Sounds reasonable

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19 minutes ago, Moonduster said:

If the yacht was motor sailing, the fishing boat had right-of-way, no?

Has anyone reported the sailboat was motor-sailing?

Besides, wouldn't ROW be granted to a powerboat trolling?  This one had to be hauling ass to get that far aboard.

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I don't think the definition of "fishing" in the rules includes a recreational boat (or even a charter boat) pulling trolling lines; you have to be pulling substantial gear that restricts your ability to maneuver.  Besides, that guy wasn't trolling at the speed needed to ride over the top.  Damn lucky no one got squashed.

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1 hour ago, trimfast said:

Well this happened today in Annapolis apparently.

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Letterbox takedown 

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A couple threads in a powerboat forum The Hull Truth in the regional section. Apparently near Thomas Point. 

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1 minute ago, Bsquared said:

I don't think the definition of "fishing" in the rules includes a recreational boat (or even a charter boat) pulling trolling lines; you have to be pulling substantial gear that restricts your ability to maneuver.  Besides, that guy wasn't trolling at the speed needed to ride over the top.  Damn lucky no one got squashed.

COLREGS 3(d): "The term “vessel engaged in fishing” means any vessel fishing with nets, lines, trawls or other fishing apparatus which restrict manoeuvrability, but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling lines or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict manoeuvrability."

28 minutes ago, Moonduster said:

If the yacht was motor sailing, the fishing boat had right-of-way, no?

No. COLREGS don't give anyone "right of way."

If the J105 was motorsailing (doubtful that she was if the jib was up, I think) then she would have been "give-way" vessel obligated to maneuver to avoid collision. Powerboat would have been "stand-on" vessel, obligated to maintain course and speed unless/until it became apparent that the give-way vessel was not taking sufficient action to avoid collision.

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boat is at Mullers if anyone wants to go touch it LOL

 

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apparently the fishing boat was doing about 25 kts when they hit.. going home from fishing..

 

this from someone aboard the 105 .... the 105 is a jport club owned boat and was out daysailing.. guess their day got cut a bit short.

 

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25 minutes ago, Schnappi said:

Letterbox takedown 

And we have a winner!

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Not the 1st time. We got leveled at the J/80 worlds in Santander by the media boat. 

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1 hour ago, Moonduster said:

If the yacht was motor sailing, the fishing boat had right-of-way, no?

 

I rarely see even J105s motor sailing with their jib up. not saying it doesn't happen, but cmon dude

 

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2 hours ago, herbie verstinx said:

I hope the power boater isn't a deputy sheriff!

Agreed, and hope the guy at the helm of the J wasn't holding a beer. 

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3 hours ago, trimfast said:

Well this happened today in Annapolis apparently.

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See, I told you to put the fenders away when we left the dock.

 

Other wise people think they can raft up any time.

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1 hour ago, Schnappi said:

Letterbox takedown 

Winner!! 

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2 hours ago, ROADKILL666 said:

I WONDER IF THE CHARTER BOAT CAPTAIN WAS DRUNK?

More likely distracted by electronic devices, or taking selfies.

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Many charter boats have a mate who takes care of fish cleaning and general tasks. Don't know the case here. 

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2 hours ago, BeerDidClam said:

And we have a winner!

OK, my Laser can't do that!  Hats off to whoever built that J105.  Wow!!

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Clearly the Yacht tacked and didnt give the powerboat room and time, lol

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Isn't there something about "a fishing vessel engaged in fishing" being the stand-on vessel?  (Of course, in this case, it's the vessel that's "standing on" the sailboat . . . )

(Ooops!  Not the first to suggest this.  Sorry!)

 

 

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How long until the boat shows up on a new "I got a cheap boat" thread 

Glad there were no injuries. 

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16 minutes ago, Flick said:

Isn't there something about "a fishing vessel engaged in fishing" being the stand-on vessel?  (Of course, in this case, it's the vessel that's "standing on" the sailboat . . . )

(Ooops!  Not the first to suggest this.  Sorry!)

 

 

1) They were reportedly heading back from fishing, not engaging in fishing. Speed was estimated 25 knots.

2) Rules of the road exclude trolling fishing lines from "fishing vessels".  Only if they're dragging nets or trawls, or handling a longline...which limits their ability to maneuver.

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There are easier ways of making an open-footed main.   

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6 hours ago, trimfast said:

Well this happened today in Annapolis apparently.

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What does it rate ?

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It's just good no one was hurt or killed - sad day for that nice Jboat.

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10 minutes ago, Philen said:

What does it rate ?

would that be an ORCA multihull rating?

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6 hours ago, trimfast said:

Well this happened today in Annapolis apparently.

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Thats a really ugly catamaran.

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16 minutes ago, weightless said:

Pacific proa.

Didn't find that approach very pacific...

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The J105 owner had thought about installing a bow thruster,  but didn't want to put a hole in the hull, so tried this instead.

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7 hours ago, Marcjsmith said:

here is another pic.  Looks like the J may have been on Port tack when it was hit based on the way the jib is sheeted.  I could be wrong.  J is still upright and afloat with mast still attached   good construction or just a one in a million hit?

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And this matters why?

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The "sailboat" is a new type of slow attack sub developed at the USNA a couple miles up the bay, and surfaced under the fishing boat. That's a periscope, not a mast. Subs have sails too.

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7 hours ago, Christian said:

And this matters why?

Sheesh tough crowd.   I make a factual comment about a picture and gets roasted twice over it.   Well on port tack the starboard rail would have lower making it easier for the fishing boat to launch it self up and onto the j.  Port tack.  The skipper would have been likely on the windward rail with presumably much of the crew. So it’s possible they may not have seen the power boat  barreling down on them.  Still no excuse for the power boat 

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16 hours ago, trimfast said:

Well this happened today in Annapolis apparently.

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Rich White Cunt runs into Rich White Cunt.  Angels are crying.

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No day shapes = not fishing. 

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16 hours ago, ROADKILL666 said:

JUST SHOWS THAT ANY ASSHAT CAN GET A CAPTIAN'S LICENCE A BIG FUCK YOU TO HIM

And it just shows that the same Asshat can get his Captain’s Liscence taken away for doing what he does best!

 

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1 hour ago, random said:

Rich White Cunt runs into Rich White Cunt.  Angels are LAUGHING.

FIFY 

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Motorboat owner: Your Honor, that sailboat was just going TOO SLOW.

Judge: What sailboat was it?

Motorboat owner: A J-105, your Honor.

Judge: I find for the motorboat.  Sailboat to pay all damages.

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"What damage, that little scratch'll  buff right out"

It would be remarkable if no one got hurt in this cunning stunt.

And they all look sooo casual. Surreal.

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Motorboat owner: Your Honor, that sailboat was just going TOO SLOW.

Judge: What sailboat was it?

Motorboat owner: A J-105, your Honor,

Judge: I find for the motorboat.  Sailboat to pay for all damages.

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Did anybody catch the article in the paper about

"The powerboat slid over the sailboat, then came to rest with the cabin mounted across the middle of the deck, leaving a sizable dent." 

DENT ;)

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Well,,,when you are being chased by a Meg,,,,you have the right of way!!!!!!!!

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2 hours ago, McGyver said:

Motorboat owner: Your Honor, that sailboat was just going TOO SLOW.

Judge: What sailboat was it?

Motorboat owner: A J-105, your Honor,

Judge: I find for the motorboat.  Sailboat to pay for all damages.

It was funnier the first time.

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58 minutes ago, IStream said:

It was funnier the first time.

And it wasn't that funny then. And no, I do not own or sail on a 105.

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I look at these photos and I've read the news articles (which are short on detail.)

I'm trying very hard to play devil's advocate and see if there's a way that this could somehow be the sailboat's fault and I just can't find a way. The only way that powerboat could climb up onto the J/105 is with speed and momentum. 

The J/105 is also obligated to maneuver to avoid a collision no matter who is the stand-on vessel but was that even possible in the light breeze and given the fishing boat's high rate of speed?  It doesn't seem likely.

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I'm sorry:- I'm pleased that nobody was hurt but I've seen horrible results of similar collisions, in one instance involving a 14 year old girl losing her arm.

This is not a joking topic.

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3 hours ago, Ajax said:

I look at these photos and I've read the news articles (which are short on detail.)

I'm trying very hard to play devil's advocate and see if there's a way that this could somehow be the sailboat's fault and I just can't find a way. The only way that powerboat could climb up onto the J/105 is with speed and momentum. 

The J/105 is also obligated to maneuver to avoid a collision no matter who is the stand-on vessel but was that even possible in the light breeze and given the fishing boat's high rate of speed?  It doesn't seem likely.

A story I read (I think I linked to it up thread) the sailboat operator said they tried to alert the powerboat and attempted to avoid when it was apparent the powerboat was not going to give way. Sailboat = 6 knots, powerboat 25 knots. That's why the sailboat is the 'stand on' vessel. I suspect the powerboat driver was fucking with the chart plotter or texting, and no-one aboard was watching where they were going.

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Remember this one? Something about the skipper in his wheelchair driving and couldn't see over the bow! 

 

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