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It seems that there will be another Italian challenger...

http://www.giornaledellavela.com/news/2018/09/08/sfida-coppa-america-columbus-2021/

Designed by Bertone, built by Adria Sails.

Objective: 2 competitive campaigns

Budget: 50 millions/campaign

Mmmm... let's see but I will not bet.

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2 hours ago, ITA602 said:

It seems that there will be another Italian challenger...

http://www.giornaledellavela.com/news/2018/09/08/sfida-coppa-america-columbus-2021/

Designed by Bertone, built by Adria Sails.

Objective: 2 competitive campaigns

Budget: 50 millions/campaign

Mmmm... let's see but I will not bet.

Seems Adria Sails has the chops to tackle the boat building part of an America's Cup challenge.  And it's founder and principal was first bitten by the AC bug when building the Il Moro di Venezia challenger for Raul Gardini.

From the Adria website:

"The destiny and the activity of Adriasail Custom Yachts are since ever linked to the founder Maurizio Testuzza.

"Born and grown up in Milan, after the degree in architecture, he starts his adventure at Giorgetti and Magrini, one of the most important design firm and specialist in refitting large sailing and motor yachts.

"In the end of the eighties he meets Raoul Gardini, already captain  of industry and owner of dream sailing yachts. And the dream was AC and Tencara shipyard. Tecara becomes synonym of state-of-the-art technology and audacious experimentation in the nautical field and Testuzza himself becomes one of the project manager at the shipyard. Moro di Venezia wins the Luis Viutton Cup in 1992, but Raoul Gardini’s death sees the last of further projects development.

"In years featured by a marked economic downturn, Testuzza anyway makes the decision to invest on his future, entering into CNB Fano shipyard shareholding; the construction of Nauta and Frers designs dates back to that period, as well as Giovanni Soldini’s Fila ’60.

"In middle nineties CNB is chosen, among others in the United State, Italy and the UK, as accredited shipyard for building Wally Yachts sailing boats, at that time a brand new star. The strong development driven by Wally – 14 yachts built between 65’ and 105’ – confirms once again the vocation of being “>> FAST FORWARD”, concept that later will become Testuzza’s own boat name.

"Adriasail Custom Yachts was born in 2003 as the most recent operation of this professional path. With the cooperation of a team he shared more than 20 years working with, Testuzza 'brought Fano in the world' and with a wider and more industrial vision he keeps up building yachts 'customized in the logic of enhancement of Owners’ thoughts'”.

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26 minutes ago, Xlot said:

 

  Sigh ...

 

Hey Xlot. I rely on you for  nuanced views of matters sailing in Italy.  Care to expand on your one-liner?

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2 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

Hey Xlot. I rely on you for  nuanced views of matters sailing in Italy.  Care to expand on your one-liner?

 

What really matters is: not a iota about funding commitment - so it’s in the same, well-worn mold of Venezia Challenge, Green Comm and Adelasia. Google Bertone Design: absolutely no experience in engineering.

About Adria Custom Yachts: as the name implies it’s essentially a shed where they build large yachts mainly by vacuum molding, some infusion - not state of the art, no comparison with say Persico

 

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The announcement was made today in Imperia by Podda with mayor Claudio Scajola. Other key men of the challenge are the Roman Francesco Sicari, who will be the ceo of the consortium, and Roberto Spingardi, formerly Invitalia, vice president of Bertone Design - he 'ring between K & L Gates and Imperia - as well as Aldo Cingolani, the owner of Bertone Design, who will be the point of reference for the design team that will have to build - as per regulation - two boats, the Ac75 on which there are still many uncertainties to tell the truth. Boats that will be made in Fano by Adria Test by Maurizio Testuccia. Estimated budget 50 million euros.

 

Francesco Sicari seems to be a pop singer, I guess there is another one, anyone know who this is?

The estimated budget is stated, which is nice, but not who is paying for it?

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13 hours ago, Xlot said:

 

What really matters is: not a iota about funding commitment - so it’s in the same, well-worn mold of Venezia Challenge, Green Comm and Adelasia. Google Bertone Design: absolutely no experience in engineering.

About Adria Custom Yachts: as the name implies it’s essentially a shed where they build large yachts mainly by vacuum molding, some infusion - not state of the art, no comparison with say Persico

 

Google search mostly catalogs "Fall of the House of Bertone",  ie bankruptcy of the  fabled old design house four years ago.  That plus a snazzy and beautifully presented web page for the present company  http://www.bertonedesign.it/en/  that as you note says now't about engineering of any sort, much less performance yachts. And more about concepts than finished product, be it teapots or trains.

As you note it's really about money and there's scant mention of sources, including the $1 mil late filing penalty.  Of course if the money eventuates, they have a decent-sized yacht building complex but they still need design, engineering and carbon construction talent.

Guess we'll see.

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Right. To be clear: although it would be the least of their problems, Adria is where you get a Wally built, but definitely not a TP52

 

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9 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

Google search mostly catalogs "Fall of the House of Bertone",  ie bankruptcy of the  fabled old design house four years ago.  That plus a snazzy and beautifully presented web page for the present company  http://www.bertonedesign.it/en/  that as you note says now't about engineering of any sort, much less performance yachts. And more about concepts than finished product, be it teapots or trains.

As you note it's really about money and there's scant mention of sources, including the $1 mil late filing penalty.  Of course if the money eventuates, they have a decent-sized yacht building complex but they still need design, engineering and carbon construction talent.

Guess we'll see.

Not sure how much Bertone really had to do with the development of the Frecciarossa (Red Arrow) train.. But I do f’ing love them and have already planned for several more trips aboard them over the coming months.

http://www.bertonedesign.it/portfolio/freacciarossa-1000/

http://www.trenitalia.com/tcom-en/Frecce/Frecciarossa

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  ^ Bertone’s role (like PininFarina’s in previous models) is limited to interior design and graphics.

About the video, it’s Adelasia’s script almost word for word. One wonders what the point is, since they recognize the Nov 30 deadline for formal acceptance is imminent - they say they are into “negotiations” about payments ...

 

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3 hours ago, Xlot said:

 

  ^ Bertone’s role (like PininFarina’s in previous models) is limited to interior design and graphics.

About the video, it’s Adelasia’s script almost word for word. One wonders what the point is, since they recognize the Nov 30 deadline for formal acceptance is imminent - they say they are into “negotiations” about payments ...

 

Does the video suggest any possibility that the proposed Challenge is intended primarily to secure an ACWS event? Once chosen, they could presumably just throw up their hands on ever building an actual boat. 

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They do mention the possibility, but it seems pointless since the immediate hurdle is being accepted. And in amy case there being a single event in Italy, it’s something Prada will want to determine themselves

 

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You've missed SR's point.

12 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

That might have worked last time Stingray. The Protocol however MANDATES any Challenger to race in ALL of the Preliminary Regattas (ACWS) otherwise you can't sail/you are prohibited to sail in the PRADA Cup.

 In SR's scenario they'd have no intention of sailing in the Prada Cup.

The problem with SR's hypothesis is that being a challenger doesn't get you an ACWS event. Ineos apparently being a case in point.

I don't think divining the motivation is so complicated. The whole thing looks like a case of hanging out a sign "Sponsor Wanted".

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More rumblings

"The defender confirms that there have been communications with  the lawyer acting for the Columbus 2021 challenger over the past few weeks. He has now supplied preliminary documents in relation to their yacht club and we have provided him with the required details on the process to file a formal Notice of Challenge," Emirates Team New Zealand told Stuff in a statement on Tuesday.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/107353685/second-italian-americas-cup-challenger-in-formal-talks-with-team-new-zealand

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Meanwhile a logo (ugly) has been presente. Also the skipper was supposed to be presented yesterday, but he didn't show up.


https://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it&sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Ffarevela.net%2F2018%2F09%2F24%2Fcolumbus-2021-bastera-un-logo-per-partecipare-allamericas-cup%2F

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2 hours ago, ITA602 said:

Meanwhile a logo (ugly) has been presented

 

So much for Bertone’s contribution. A far cry from my youth’s Giugiaro-designed Alfa GT Junior

And the mystery skipper is supposed to be anglo-saxon ...

 

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2 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

It also says this:

But there was a also a realisation that this was a long game and they might be happy to hang on the coat-tails of Luna Rossa, believing their compatriots had a good chance of winning the Auld Mug and bringing yachting's biggest event to their doorstep further down the line.

What does this statement mean? If LR wins, every other Italian YC/team is out of the AC.

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^  Of course LR* could do the right thing and organise a defense series?

Different Italian teams but ultimately just one YC

All those old rivalries have to be good for some fireworks and extra participation!?

 

* should they prevail

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7 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Why?

Why not. The more the merrier. Very nice they apparently have a skipper, still no news of a sponsor?

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How is

On 9/29/2018 at 2:00 AM, dg_sailingfan said:

Calling themselves Italians and then sail with a multi-national Crew is bad. I hope they are done soon. I'd rather have Team USA21 make it than them.

How is this different from ORACLE Team US that had no Americans?!

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4 minutes ago, paperinick said:

How is

How is this different from ORACLE Team US that had no Americans?!

Let's talk about the ship flag or the yacht club nationality and stop this useless discussion... ;-)

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Looking at the bright side: nobody talks about the “second Italian team” (Adelasia) any more

 

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You need a second team before you can have a third . 

The “ second “ team has been quite silent for a good bit of time now . 

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