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7 hours ago, d'ranger said:

When a through investigation is not done, then yep that's what you got.  Witnesses who volunteered to testify were never contacted. d'oh.  One thing has been accomplished - women will be more reluctant to come forward in the future.  Trump isn't fit to hold the office and neither is Kavanaugh - they both have documented bad behavior never acknowledged or apologized for and when confronted lie and obfuscate.

That is just the way it is.  For now. 

What the fuck is the point of having wealth and power if you can't abuse it? And if you can't abuse the people under you?

It's the new American way! Fuck all that stupid equality bullshit. MAGA!!

-DSK

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34 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

What the fuck is the point of having wealth and power if you can't abuse it? And if you can't abuse the people under you?

It's the new American way! Fuck all that stupid equality bullshit. MAGA!!

-DSK

what kind of world is it if high school boys can't attempt to rape people and get away with it?

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2 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

what kind of world is it if high school boys can't attempt to rape people and get away with it?

I have a mother who is the smartest and strongest person I have ever met.  She and my father (who was solid) instilled in me the values that include, you treat all women with respect.  I am not a choir boy, and I've had (and still do), those moments where I'm making out with a date and my hands roam and she repositions them.  And a few minutes later, it repeats.  I have never wrestled a woman's clothing off and I do know the difference between no and NO.  On maybe just this front, I would qualify to be a SCJ.  

Congratulations to the R's for getting a shithead through the process.  I knew we were getting a Conservative judge, but why this asshole?

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3 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

I have a mother who is the smartest and strongest person I have ever met.  She and my father (who was solid) instilled in me the values that include, you treat all women with respect.  I am not a choir boy, and I've had (and still do), those moments where I'm making out with a date and my hands roam and she repositions them.  And a few minutes later, it repeats.  I have never wrestled a woman's clothing off and I do know the difference between no and NO.  On maybe just this front, I would qualify to be a SCJ.  

Congratulations to the R's for getting a shithead through the process.  I knew we were getting a Conservative judge, but why this asshole?

It's a strange hill to stand and fight on. What pictures of who with what barnyard animal does K have?

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1 minute ago, Ishmael said:

It's a strange hill to stand and fight on. What pictures of who with what barnyard animal does K have?

Again, I feel like Ben Stein.  Mueller?  Mueller?  The country will survive.

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6 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

what kind of world is it if high school boys can't attempt to rape people and get away with it?

Or people are assumed innocent until proven guilty

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13 hours ago, Dog said:

All is not lost, well we can still strike a blow of abused women by blocking Keith Ellison.

Aren't you one who has previously espoused the principle of letting the voters decide?  I could be wrong, but I thought you were.

Now, it would seem you are in favor of that which you decry when others do it.  Funny that.

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Just now, Bus Driver said:

Aren't you one who has previously espoused the principle of letting the voters decide?  I could be wrong, but I thought you were.

Now, it would seem you are in favor of that which you decry when others do it.  Funny that.

Aren't you the one who always purports to apply a common standard? Keith Ellison has been accused, should we believe the survivor in this case?

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1 minute ago, Dog said:

Aren't you the one who always purports to apply a common standard? Keith Ellison has been accused, should we believe the survivor in this case?

I believe we should listen to her story and not dismiss it, out of hand.  

I also see that situation as a bit different.  Seems like a lover's quarrel, while the allegations of Kavanaugh are more along the lines of criminal behavior.

I can see why you'd like to equate the two.

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1 minute ago, Bus Driver said:

I believe we should listen to her story and not dismiss it, out of hand.  

I also see that situation as a bit different.  Seems like a lover's quarrel, while the allegations of Kavanaugh are more along the lines of criminal behavior.

I can see why you'd like to equate the two.

I can see why you would like to differentiate the two.

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44 minutes ago, Dog said:

I can see why you would like to differentiate the two.

Because they are quite different?

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9 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Because they are quite different?

Should we believe the survivor?

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

Should we believe the survivor?

I believe we should not summarily dismiss the statements of victims.

In that way, you and I differ.

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7 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

what kind of world is it if rich high school boys whose mommies are powerful lawyers can't attempt to rape people and get away with it?

FIFY

3 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:
7 minutes ago, Dog said:

Should we believe the survivor?

I believe we should not summarily dismiss the statements of victims.

In that way, you and I differ.

Dog believes that the statements of victims of Republicans should be summarily dismissed.

If one is accusing a Democrat of anything, why then -that- accusation is treated like gold

-DSK

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5 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I believe we should not summarily dismiss the statements of victims.

In that way, you and I differ.

Then what is to be done about Keith Ellison?

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

I believe we should listen to her story and not dismiss it, out of hand.  

I also see that situation as a bit different.  Seems like a lover's quarrel, while the allegations of Kavanaugh are more along the lines of criminal behavior.

I can see why you'd like to equate the two.

So the black eye was just a lovers Tiff?

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21 minutes ago, Gone Drinking said:

So the black eye was just a lovers Tiff?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/keith-ellison-former-girlfriend-photo/

Moreover, not only does the pictured woman not look like Karen Monahan, but Monahan herself stated on Twitter that “This picture is NOT me” and asked users to stop sharing it:

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8 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

I have a mother who is the smartest and strongest person I have ever met.  She and my father (who was solid) instilled in me the values that include, you treat all women with respect.  I am not a choir boy, and I've had (and still do), those moments where I'm making out with a date and my hands roam and she repositions them.  And a few minutes later, it repeats.  I have never wrestled a woman's clothing off and I do know the difference between no and NO.  On maybe just this front, I would qualify to be a SCJ.  

Congratulations to the R's for getting a shithead through the process.  I knew we were getting a Conservative judge, but why this asshole?

Winning!!

Hopefully RBG leaves while team R rules

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51 minutes ago, Dog said:

Then what is to be done about Keith Ellison?

I believe he is not seeking re-election to Congress, and the voters of his state will have a chance to judge him at the ballot box in his quest to be elected AG.

Leaving it to the voters was part of the playbook for some of our more conservative brethren, not long ago.  Has something changed?

Or, are you asking what a court of law should do?  Has she sworn out a charge against him?  

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8 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

Congratulations to the R's for getting a shithead through the process.  I knew we were getting a Conservative judge, but why this asshole?

Because presidential power to pardon is currently only for federal crimes, and Prez Toadstool wants to be able to pardon himself for state crimes too.

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Just now, jzk said:

What language in the letter contradicts his testimony?

Did he admit he was known as "Bart"?  I believe he did deny that.

Check out the P.S. and think about how that comports with how he described his drinking.

Then again, I have no doubt you'll find nothing objectionable about the guy.  He was nominated by your team.

That he lied, under oath, to the Senate seems to matter not.  If you don't believe he lied, maybe you can explain why Senator Warren has not been censured for stating that he did.  If her comments were untrue, they would be all over her.  That she made the statement about how the evidence contradicts his sworn testimony, and no one is disputing that speaks volumes.

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8 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Did he admit he was known as "Bart"?  I believe he did deny that.

I think you're right but I watched his testimony and when asked if he was the Bart O'Kavanaugh character in Judge's book, he simply told that Senator that he would have to ask Judge.  So we have a lying drunk cocksucker on the Supreme Court, seems totally in step with this administration.  

Mueller is letting the ink dry on his indictments until after the midterms.  I suspect Cheeto will take the easy way out and choke on a Big Mac.  

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1 hour ago, Cal20sailor said:
1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Did he admit he was known as "Bart"?  I believe he did deny that.

I think you're right but I watched his testimony and when asked if he was the Bart O'Kavanaugh character in Judge's book, he simply told that Senator that he would have to ask Judge.  So we have a lying drunk cocksucker on the Supreme Court, seems totally in step with this administration.  

...     ...      ...

He also claimed a bunch of terms used for sex acts were drinking games.

The point is pretty clear, lying to the Senate is A-OK if you have the correct letter after your name.

This is bad for the country.

-DSK

 

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20 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

I believe he is not seeking re-election to Congress, and the voters of his state will have a chance to judge him at the ballot box in his quest to be elected AG.

Leaving it to the voters was part of the playbook for some of our more conservative brethren, not long ago.  Has something changed?

Or, are you asking what a court of law should do?  Has she sworn out a charge against him?  

How about the black shirted protestors chanting "We believe survivors", where are they?

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2 hours ago, Dog said:

How about the black shirted protestors chanting "We believe survivors", where are they?

I have no idea.

Why are you asking me?  Do you think I keep tabs on everyone with whom you disagree?

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19 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I have no idea.

Why are you asking me?  Do you think I keep tabs on everyone with whom you disagree?

The outrage is selective....I have an idea, it's not just about abusing women there is a political motivation in play. 

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31 minutes ago, Dog said:

The outrage is selective....I have an idea, it's not just about abusing women there is a political motivation in play. 

Isn't there always?

That does not mean a woman wasn't abused.

And, given the way Dr. Ford was treated, women are likely to avoid reporting attacks for fear of the same reprisals.

I observed a conversation in which one person was decrying how "an unfounded accusation ruined the lives of two honorable men".  He was questioned as to who were these 2 "honorable men", and he shared "President Trump and Judge Kavanaugh".  Funny how they are President of the United States and a Supreme Court Justice, respectively.  Hardly "ruined".  Now, having death threats leveled against you and your family and needing to move out of your own home - now that is just the price she has to pay for daring to speak up.

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On 10/8/2018 at 8:42 AM, Bus Driver said:

Isn't there always?

That does not mean a woman wasn't abused.

And, given the way Dr. Ford was treated, women are likely to avoid reporting attacks for fear of the same reprisals.

I observed a conversation in which one person was decrying how "an unfounded accusation ruined the lives of two honorable men".  He was questioned as to who were these 2 "honorable men", and he shared "President Trump and Judge Kavanaugh".  Funny how they are President of the United States and a Supreme Court Justice, respectively.  Hardly "ruined".  Now, having death threats leveled against you and your family and needing to move out of your own home - now that is just the price she has to pay for daring to speak up.

Well maybe there is a lesson in all of this.  If someone physically attacks you, report it right away, so that we can keep the asshole from attacking anyone else.  Don't wait until it benefits you politically to report it.  

 

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On 10/7/2018 at 4:30 AM, Dog said:

Or people are assumed innocent until proven guilty

Imagine if he had been on trial!

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6 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Imagine if he had been on trial!

The presumption of innocence is enshrined in our law BECAUSE it comports with our long established notions of fairness. The fair-minded do not robotically "believe survivors", they do not accept baseless accusations as fact and they do not pretend to believe what is politically expedient.

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15 minutes ago, Dog said:

The presumption of innocence is enshrined in our law BECAUSE it comports with our long established notions of fairness.

With respect to locking people up, yes.

But being denied a future job is a different kind of "punishment" and doesn't require such a high standard of proof.

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1 hour ago, dogballs Tom said:

With respect to locking people up, yes.

But being denied a future job is a different kind of "punishment" and doesn't require such a high standard of proof.

So wrt judicial nominations in which there is an unresolved accusation Is the presumption of guilt a better standard? If that is the case any nominee can be disqualified.

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Just now, Dog said:

So wrt judicial nominations in which there is an unresolved accusation Is the presumption of guilt a better standard? If that is the case any nominee can be disqualified.

It's an available standard, not necessarily better.

And yes, job applicants can be rejected. It's a hard world.

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11 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

It's an available standard, not necessarily better.

And yes, job applicants can be rejected. It's a hard world.

Well IMHO the presumption of guilt is not just "not necessarily better" than the presumption of innocence, it's much worse. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Dog said:

Well IMHO the presumption of guilt is not just "not necessarily better" than the presumption of innocence, it's much worse. 

 

So if you have a job applicant that you suspect, but can't prove, is guilty of something you view as disqualifying, what would you do?

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1 minute ago, dogballs Tom said:

So if you have a job applicant that you suspect, but can't prove, is guilty of something you view as disqualifying, what would you do?

I get your point but to disqualify my suspicion would have to be based on evidence. An unfounded accusation with ulterior motivations in play and the presumption of innocence still applies.

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Another smooooooth Kavanaugh move! The guy just has a way ;) with the ladies!

 

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1 hour ago, Dog said:
1 hour ago, dogballs Tom said:

So if you have a job applicant that you suspect, but can't prove, is guilty of something you view as disqualifying, what would you do?

I get your point but to disqualify my suspicion would have to be based on evidence. An unfounded accusation with ulterior motivations in play and the presumption of innocence still applies.

Makes sense but I was asking about if you did have a suspicion. Presumably for some reason, based on some evidence, but not enough to prove guilt.

In that case, I'd say a presumption of innocence is worse for a job applicant while still much better for a potential prison inmate.

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FBI's Wray confirms White House limited Kavanaugh probe

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"I've spoken with our background investigation specialists and they have assured me this was handled in a way consistent with their experience and the standard process," the FBI director said, later adding that the inquiry was "very specific in scope—limited in scope."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/kavanaugh-fbi-probe-limit-888667

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