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J 108 - did they actually make them

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We love our J109 but would like to sail in shallow water and at times have no choice.  The 108 was/is a 109 hull with a centerboard. It looks like they made at least one  but finding very little information on numbers built and or if any ended up in NA/US.  Anyone know more?  Thanks for the help.

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I think there was one at the Annapolis boat show years ago, so there must be at least that one still in NA/US.

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15 hours ago, slap said:

I think there was one at the Annapolis boat show years ago, so there must be at least that one still in NA/US.

That is about what I have sorted out.  Thought I would give j boats a call if not more info here.  Thanks for reply.   

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3 hours ago, Capt Gaines said:

I may be able to help you with the J108 that is in the US...if you are still in the market.

 

Still interested - sent you a PM.  Thanks for the help

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Talked with Alan Johnstone today - he said that there was only one J/108 sold in the US.

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You probably know this but if the 108 is not an option there were a few shoal draft 109s. One was on YW a year or so back.

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22 hours ago, Movable Ballast said:

There are some shoal draft J109s around if that helps.

Thanks- we have/are giving some thought to that as well.  Also considering a different direction with a J95.  All good first world problems.

J 109 standard draft = 7'

J109 shoal draft = 5.75'

J108 = 4'  w/ board up

J95 = 3' w/ board up

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18 hours ago, Epi-sailor said:

Thanks- we have/are giving some thought to that as well.  Also considering a different direction with a J95.  All good first world problems.

J 109 standard draft = 7'

J109 shoal draft = 5.75'

J108 = 4'  w/ board up

J95 = 3' w/ board up

Indeed it is!

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On 10/4/2018 at 6:16 PM, slap said:

Talked with Alan Johnstone today - he said that there was only one J/108 sold in the US.

and am I right in thinking it has no engine?

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2 minutes ago, Deed said:

and am I right in thinking it has no engine?

Why would you think that?  It's basically a J/109 with a centerboard.

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50 minutes ago, slap said:

Why would you think that?  It's basically a J/109 with a centerboard.

Confusing it with another J/One-off I guess.  I just remember one that having no motor, maybe a bit smaller. Ring any bells?

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1 hour ago, Deed said:

Confusing it with another J/One-off I guess.  I just remember one that having no motor, maybe a bit smaller. Ring any bells?

The largest J with no motor was the J/90, and the next largest was certain versions of the J/29.

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J95 has center board but also a motor.  Very cool little boat boat but basically a day sailor.  

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On 10/10/2018 at 4:35 PM, Epi-sailor said:

Thanks- we have/are giving some thought to that as well.  Also considering a different direction with a J95.  All good first world problems.

J 109 standard draft = 7'

J109 shoal draft = 5.75'

J108 = 4'  w/ board up

J95 = 3' w/ board up

J/108 also has a slightly shorter rig than a J/109

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I sailed the first 108 in the UK many years ago. I found it really needs 12kts to get going with the lack of overlapping headsail. Also downwind it feels like it suffers without the retracting bowsprit, I would definitely look at getting a slightly longer fixed bowsprit with integrated anchor roller. A code 0 would be mandatory, even for cruising. With the GRP centreboard raised the boat was still happy to sail upwind when up to speed and powered up.

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On 11/13/2018 at 1:00 AM, slap said:

And the one in the US just came up for sale:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2011/j-boats-j-108-3482591/

 

There are 6 J109s for sale in the US at an average price of ~ $150k.  The 108 is $220k.  Is the 3 foot shallower draft worth the the extra $80k?  Granted the 108 is 5 to 8 years newer than the 109s, but all the 109s have a ton more sails.  I guess we'll see if the value is there by how quickly she sells and at what price...

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38 minutes ago, J28 said:

There are 6 J109s for sale in the US at an average price of ~ $150k.  The 108 is $220k.  Is the 3 foot shallower draft worth the the extra $80k?  Granted the 108 is 5 to 8 years newer than the 109s, but all the 109s have a ton more sails.  I guess we'll see if the value is there by how quickly she sells and at what price...

We are the current owners of a  109 and have asked this exact question.  Now we are asking what else is out there that would be similar but for the price of a 109.   J95, seascape/first 27, close but more of daysailor.   Any other ideas options?

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4 hours ago, J28 said:

There are 6 J109s for sale in the US at an average price of ~ $150k.  The 108 is $220k.  Is the 3 foot shallower draft worth the the extra $80k?  Granted the 108 is 5 to 8 years newer than the 109s, but all the 109s have a ton more sails.  I guess we'll see if the value is there by how quickly she sells and at what price...

Why didn't you stop writing your post after noting that? How much do cars depreciate after 8 years?

Also your post disregards the law of supply and demand. True, there are lots of 109's for sale out there, so prices are trending lower in order for them to compete with one another. How many 108's on the market?

To the guy with a dock behind his house that has 5 feet at MLW that 80K is going to be the difference between driving half an hour to a boatyard to go for a sail rather than being able to walk out of his house and be sails up in 5 minutes. 

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6 hours ago, J28 said:

There are 6 J109s for sale in the US at an average price of ~ $150k.  The 108 is $220k.  Is the 3 foot shallower draft worth the the extra $80k?  Granted the 108 is 5 to 8 years newer than the 109s, but all the 109s have a ton more sails.  I guess we'll see if the value is there by how quickly she sells and at what price...

Agreed a bit pricey but If you live in a shallow areas 3 feet is priceless :)

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1 hour ago, jackolantern said:

Why didn't you stop writing your post after noting that? How much do cars depreciate after 8 years?

Also your post disregards the law of supply and demand. True, there are lots of 109's for sale out there, so prices are trending lower in order for them to compete with one another. How many 108's on the market?

To the guy with a dock behind his house that has 5 feet at MLW that 80K is going to be the difference between driving half an hour to a boatyard to go for a sail rather than being able to walk out of his house and be sails up in 5 minutes. 

Lighten up Francis.  As I said we’ll see what the market says the value is.

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There may be a story with that boat.   A lot of work done for a 7 year old boat that as I remember sat for almost two years before it sold the first time.  My memory could be very wrong.  Storm damage?   A lot of use?   Work done with the intention to go somewhere?    For a price comp. is there a 2011/13 J109 with a new engine, electronics, canvas etc?   I agree that it is a unique boat.  Without the full story there really is no possible way to even guess at a fair price.   

 

That is just a scary boat to try and sell.   

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On 12/6/2018 at 5:21 AM, Kent H said:

There may be a story with that boat.   A lot of work done for a 7 year old boat that as I remember sat for almost two years before it sold the first time.  My memory could be very wrong.  Storm damage?   A lot of use?   Work done with the intention to go somewhere?    For a price comp. is there a 2011/13 J109 with a new engine, electronics, canvas etc?   I agree that it is a unique boat.  Without the full story there really is no possible way to even guess at a fair price.   

 

That is just a scary boat to try and sell.   

I agree.  There is something very odd about that boat.  Why a new engine on a 7 year old boat?  But it appears it has only the original 3 sails from the brochure shots, so how many  sailing miles has she done?

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25 minutes ago, J28 said:

I agree.  There is something very odd about that boat.  Why a new engine on a 7 year old boat?  But it appears it has only the original 3 sails from the brochure shots, so how many  sailing miles has she done?

So to me, I think you are looking at" there is something very odd with a previous owner."  The boat was built largely out of "standard" J/109 components and equipment, and those all have a pretty good track record, and 350 or so hulls to use as a data set.  Florida can be tough on a boat, especially one that is not being used.  The degradation of my Dad's Catalina 27 as he and mom got older, and stopped sailing it, was considerable.  Not to hard to believe the boat sat for a long time, grew a ton on crud on an open cooling water thu-hull, then took the boat out and badly overheated the engine...or didn't change the oil, or a hose clamp clamp corroded and failed, or the oil filter was never changed, or, or, or...

Doesn't mean it's not a great boat, assuming all the neglect (if that's what it was) has been addressed.  All that said, I think the price is way too high.  Only one was built for a reason (market mostly rejected it) and its only the right boat for a small set of folks.  I think they'll have a hard time selling it at that price... 

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I stand corrected  - there is something odd about how the boat was used and maintained (or not), not the boat.  I agree it might be a great boat, but I can’t see the value being even on par with the average  of the J109s, due to the lack of class racing opportunities, poor sail inventory, Florida enviornment and the current buyer’s market.  But we’ll see....

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I think the J 108 is one of those J boats that never really took off, like the J34c

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