Morgan Crowe 0 #1 Posted October 3, 2018 I sail a J100 in Santa Barbara - usually light air. I would like advice on the best sail combination for sailing to PHRF handicap. Asymmetrical or Symmetrical kite, what size jib? Any input would be much appreciated. Morgan C. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hallpass 1 #2 Posted October 3, 2018 Do you have a bowsprit? Or are you an early boat without one? In light air the 145 Jib is a killer. I found the 155 to get over powered to quick and was not worth the rating hit. Some J100's near me have the big Asymmetrical spin and then go with the small 107% jib. They are very fast down wind but struggle with the small jib in anything less than 10 knots of wind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gracious 2 #3 Posted October 4, 2018 I sail with OD Jib and 106sqm kit off sprit. Up wind in light is tuff under 8knts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geronimo 19 #4 Posted October 5, 2018 Gotta have a bigger jib than the 100% for light air PHRF. As far as the kite goes, if you have a sprit...use it. Otherwise I would go with a traditional kite but the aspect ratio starts to get whacky with a non-penalty J-length pole. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morgan Crowe 0 #5 Posted October 7, 2018 Thank you all for your advice and comments from your experience. I have been sailing the boat with an asymmetrical kite from a deck mounted sprit and a 140% Jib. I have got some inputs, including from North, to the effect that, in our Santa Barbara conditions, the boat would perform best to handicap with a symmetrical kite and (up to) a 155% jib. I will tease this out a little further. Further comments would be much appreciated including inputs on pole length. M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geronimo 19 #6 Posted October 8, 2018 On 10/7/2018 at 3:55 AM, Morgan Crowe said: Thank you all for your advice and comments from your experience. I have been sailing the boat with an asymmetrical kite from a deck mounted sprit and a 140% Jib. I have got some inputs, including from North, to the effect that, in our Santa Barbara conditions, the boat would perform best to handicap with a symmetrical kite and (up to) a 155% jib. I will tease this out a little further. Further comments would be much appreciated including inputs on pole length. M. M, do you mind PM-ing me some pictures of your deck mounted set up? We currently are operating on the bow-tacked OD set up. Been toying with sprit/pole ideas the over the summer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morgan Crowe 0 #7 Posted October 9, 2018 Powder coated Selden sprit giving 42 inches extension beyond standard bow fitting. To stay close to center line and avoid Hoyt boom pedestal, it was necessary to go through starboard leg of bow pulpit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gracious 2 #8 Posted October 9, 2018 Id prob go symmetrical before that option . I went with a factory refit to sprit in the hull, not cheap but the sprit is longer and not on deck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makinghp 0 #9 Posted October 13, 2018 Agree that the od jib is to small. Moved to a 140 this year and the boat is competitive upwind. We have the factory sprit. Downsized to a 100m kite to get some rating help and overall seems a pretty good balance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gracious 2 #10 Posted October 13, 2018 What's your rating? I sail OD jib and 106sqm kite on sprit. I have 85 rating. I get 6 sec for dacron jib or rating would be 79. I can't get credit for smaller spin it is based on spl the J plus length of sprit. If I add bigger head sails I take rating hit and would be back to 79 rating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makinghp 0 #11 Posted October 28, 2018 I was at a 78 with 120 kite. Downsized to 100 spinnaker and shortened sprit and then grew to 140 jib from old and ended up with an 84. Basically we now are using the same rating as a j105. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deed 7 #12 Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 11:47 AM, Morgan Crowe said: Powder coated Selden sprit giving 42 inches extension beyond standard bow fitting. To stay close to center line and avoid Hoyt boom pedestal, it was necessary to go through starboard leg of bow pulpit. "through" the bowsprit. Very clever solution. Love it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morgan Crowe 0 #13 Posted October 29, 2018 Having taken advice from North, Jboats and local Santa Barbara sources, decided on the following setup with typical local conditions in mind:- 155% jib Selden 3 meter deck mounted bowsprit 1194sqft asymmetric kite Don’t yet know what the final PHRF numbers will be. Morhan Crowe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geronimo 19 #14 Posted October 2, 2019 On 10/29/2018 at 12:21 PM, Morgan Crowe said: Having taken advice from North, Jboats and local Santa Barbara sources, decided on the following setup with typical local conditions in mind:- 155% jib Selden 3 meter deck mounted bowsprit 1194sqft asymmetric kite Don’t yet know what the final PHRF numbers will be. Morhan Crowe How did this work out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gracious 2 #15 Posted October 3, 2019 145% genoa 106sqm A2 = 74 rating for Eastern Long Island. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gracious 2 #16 Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, Gracious said: 145% genoa 106sqm A2 = 74 rating for Eastern Long Island. On factory sprit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geronimo 19 #17 Posted October 7, 2019 Nice. Just ordered a 13.8’ symmetrical carbon pole and a 86 sq meter kite. Bigger jib is next. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gracious 2 #18 Posted October 7, 2019 I think there is a used symmetrical kite for J-100 in the classified section on SA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
