Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1601 Posted December 26, 2019 Just now, terrafirma said: This looks like an Oats race now. BUT....If Karma is true then something will happen to them..? It looks impossible for Comanche now they are that slow in these conditions you have to wonder what the design brief was? Black Jack deserve a win but for some reason they always fail to deliver? There is no way Scallywag can win they are too consistently "BAD" for it to happen. But if someone opens Pandora's box none of this could be true for this race. Who's going to pick it.....????? Unless the RP boats make 30 miles of hay the Indian will thunder home 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bayboy 28 #1602 Posted December 26, 2019 Challenge can the 60footers catch Comanche Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chucky 33 #1603 Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, The Dark Knight said: Faster Forward - Retired - Steering problems Thanks bad luck for Matt and his crew. They also pulled out shortly after starting the Melb to Stanley race Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1604 Posted December 26, 2019 Playing into the Black Jack corner for a bit now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 504 #1605 Posted December 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said: Unless the RP boats make 30 miles of hay the Indian will thunder home That easterly doesn’t look like it’s lasts enough before it goes more north, then it’s a run which suits the skinny boats again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinnFish 206 #1606 Posted December 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, terrafirma said: This looks like an Oats race now. BUT....If Karma is true then something will happen to them..? It looks impossible for Comanche now they are that slow in these conditions you have to wonder what the design brief was? Black Jack deserve a win but for some reason they always fail to deliver? There is no way Scallywag can win they are too consistently "BAD" for it to happen. But if someone opens Pandora's box none of this could be true for this race. Who's going to pick it.....????? I wouldn't right off Infotrack, incredible that they're hanging with Oats and BJ in these conditions. Nico will keep it close. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
resist 29 #1607 Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, BLAK said: Last minute skipper swap? I wouldn’t put too much stock in that, they had the Farr 40 Night Nurse at 40m LOA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inebriated 72 #1608 Posted December 26, 2019 the indian's looking for some wind and NZ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 977 #1609 Posted December 26, 2019 Chutzpah into the IRC overall handicap lead.! Fastest boat in the fleet at 40 foot. Did someone say it could be a 40 footer race? P.S. Personally I think the TP52's and mid size boats usually handicap out better than most.. Early days just commentary... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1610 Posted December 26, 2019 Black Jack on the charge bigtime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 28 #1611 Posted December 26, 2019 Looks like BJ has an angle and pressure to suit her compared to the other 100's. Don't want to go to bed as I want to see this transition play out!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozee Adventure 70 #1612 Posted December 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Chutzpah into the IRC overall handicap lead.! Fastest boat in the fleet at 40 foot. Did someone say it could be a 40 footer race? P.S. Personally I think the TP52's and mid size boats usually handicap out better than most.. Early days just commentary... Please let him have it this time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1613 Posted December 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Chutzpah into the IRC overall handicap lead.! Fastest boat in the fleet at 40 foot. Did someone say it could be a 40 footer race? P.S. Personally I think the TP52's and mid size boats usually handicap out better than most.. Early days just commentary... Alive, Naval Group, Maserati and URM leading in ORC 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tropical Madness 72 #1614 Posted December 26, 2019 Yeah WoXi looks to be on the wrong side of a massive hole Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 977 #1615 Posted December 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said: Black Jack on the charge bigtime Yes best numbers and mode right now. And whilst I can't tell if updates are on equal time ATM it looks like BJ are only 200 metres behind Oats. But going 3-4 knots faster. It looks like a battle of the Skinny's and if one of them wins this race it may spark the end of the rest to the Scrapyard ? Proving skinny is king as an all rounder when kept up to date with latest thinking. Would be sad to see 2 x 100's in OZ instead of 5.. Just sayin...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibroman 110 #1616 Posted December 26, 2019 WOXi Gybes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oneiron 12 #1617 Posted December 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Yes best numbers and mode right now. And whilst I can't tell if updates are on equal time ATM it looks like BJ are only 200 metres behind Oats. But going 3-4 knots faster. It looks like a battle of the Skinny's and if one of them wins this race it may spark the end of the rest to the Scrapyard ? Proving skinny is king as an all rounder when kept up to date with latest thinking. Would be sad to see 2 x 100's in OZ instead of 5.. Just sayin...... Long way to go... but i’m hearing you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hhn92 42 #1618 Posted December 26, 2019 Catching-up in the AM here in Florida, as usual Ricko squeals like a school girl every year, with a boat load of pros on-board why does he make every call and looks around everywhere except driving the boat? I would bet WOXI would be a lot faster if he would shut-up and drive the boat, making requests here and there on occasion. You would think IM would punch him in the mouth when he is blowing his ear drum out. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1619 Posted December 26, 2019 Big move to gybe were getting rolled bigtime BJ need to extend in the next hour or so Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 28 #1620 Posted December 26, 2019 VERY interesting gybe by WO. Thinking this could really be a make or break moment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionIsland 96 #1621 Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, terrafirma said: This looks like an Oats race now. BUT....If Karma is true then I’ll bite ‘cause I’m an idiot- what karma would that be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 977 #1622 Posted December 26, 2019 And we have a new leader. The Jack Of Spades followed by the Joker.. Go Black.... The Oats gybe does not compute? I wonder if they were forced? Problem? I can't see a reason to head West right now..? Juan Villa may have fallen overboard??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 977 #1623 Posted December 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, LionIsland said: I’ll bite ‘cause I’m an idiot- what karma would that be? You'd have to be a fan of Karma and to have an intimate understanding of Oats and Mark Richards to understand this one notwithstanding it was said "Light Heartedly" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 977 #1624 Posted December 26, 2019 BJ has gone with Oats and gybed. OK they can see something we can't and it's dark..? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1625 Posted December 26, 2019 Info too The Indian is starting to rumble out wide great race Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inebriated 72 #1626 Posted December 26, 2019 WOXI seems to be heading in the wrong direction... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 977 #1627 Posted December 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said: Info too The Indian is starting to rumble out wide great race Something is going to happen. Not sure where the fuck Oats is headed going backwards in an almost SE direction? Headed towards Mystery Bay wherever that is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1628 Posted December 26, 2019 BJ gybed back Oats looks like dog tucker at the moment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1629 Posted December 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Something is going to happen. Not sure where the fuck Oats is headed going backwards in an almost SE direction? Perhaps retiring because of something but very strange. Weather and/or waves aren't rough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1630 Posted December 26, 2019 Oats is toast somethings broken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 977 #1631 Posted December 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Schakel said: Perhaps retiring because of something but very strange. Weather and/or waves aren't rough. Going 2.4 Knots something not right? A jammed halyard? Almost running dead down wind which could suggest something? Comanche fastest boat in fleet once again. Stan has stuck thick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 504 #1632 Posted December 26, 2019 No Juan question the routing! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1633 Posted December 26, 2019 Just now, terrafirma said: Going 2.4 Knots something not right? A jammed halyard? Almost running dead down wind which could suggest something? Caught in currents. When in cruising mode they would have had the engine started. It's midnight over there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1634 Posted December 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Going 2.4 Knots something not right? A jammed halyard? Almost running dead down wind which could suggest something? Comanche fastest boat in fleet once again. Stan has stuck thick Yeah the big around the outside suck it up and have faith maneuver Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marty6 400 #1635 Posted December 26, 2019 11 hours ago, Swimsailor said: What's up with the shit aspect ratio??? Australia probably still in the 4:3 age and Sydney-Hobart keeping it old school Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1636 Posted December 26, 2019 Gotta be something wrong on Oats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1637 Posted December 26, 2019 Just now, Liquid Assett NZ said: Gotta be something wrong on Oats Nothing on their facebook site. Slowest of the 100's with 2.3 knots My guess was very light winds and caught in currents. Infotrack lying closest doing 5.8 knots. Further east Black Jack 7.7 Knots. Scallywag 11.4 Fartest east Comanche 11.2 Fingers crossed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #1638 Posted December 26, 2019 The fastest yacht in the fleet is Sail exchange in 58th doing 12 knots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoomee 5 #1639 Posted December 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said: Gotta be something wrong on Oats Avoiding the toilet bowl? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #1640 Posted December 26, 2019 RACE UPDATE | 0000hrs 27 December 2019 After a picture-perfect start with blue skies and a north-easterly breeze, the fleet was able to make good time in the first leg of the race heading south from Sydney Heads. InfoTrack made the initial move in the front running pack being the first yacht to make it in to open water, but soon after were reeled back in and overtaken by the current race record holder Comanche. As yachts have made their way further down the coast and pass Batemans Bay, the stronger breezes from earlier in the day have subsided with the pace of the fleet slowing dramatically. In the race for overall victory, many yachts have shuffled through the top placings of the leader board with the current weather conditions favouring the 40-foot range of yachts. The full list of current standing across all divisions can be found on the Standings page HERE. The race suffered two early retirees as yachts made their way south from Sydney Harbour. The current list of retirements are as follows (all crew are safe and well): Faster Forward - Steering problems Hollywood Boulevard - Broken rudder Stay locked on rolexsydneyhobart.com to keep up to date with the Race Tracker, standings, photos and video throughout the race. Fans, participants and media are encouraged to follow the race on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter as well as tag their Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race content with the official hashtag #RolexSydneyHobart on all social media platforms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteveJH 6 #1641 Posted December 26, 2019 It looks like there is an angry pack of 60-70 footers not very far behind the 100 footers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1642 Posted December 26, 2019 Just now, SteveJH said: It looks like there is an angry pack of 60-70 footers not very far behind the 100 footers. This picture says it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteveJH 6 #1643 Posted December 26, 2019 1.7 knots at the last tracker update, 2.x for the couple of updates prior to that. Surely they must have broken something to be going so slow? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #1644 Posted December 26, 2019 probably sailed into this hole Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 5 #1645 Posted December 26, 2019 comanche coming inshore more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #1646 Posted December 26, 2019 AIS seems to be showing only 4 maxis As they are sat positions I don't know who is missing, but............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1647 Posted December 26, 2019 see how quickly the other maxis gybe... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #1648 Posted December 26, 2019 The JV42 Insomnia looks like it is doing pretty well. In 31st With the exception of Maverick 49, Insomnia looks like it is the first sub 50 footer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1649 Posted December 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said: As they are sat positions I don't know who is missing, but............ Its most likey the one with the helicopter that keeps knocking them off the air... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #1650 Posted December 26, 2019 Just now, LionessRacing said: Its most likey the one with the helicopter that keeps knocking them off the air... could lightening strike twice? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1651 Posted December 26, 2019 Just now, The Dark Knight said: could lightening strike twice? they have no doubt tried lightening, but with ll that surgery perhaps they got Botox and filler overdose? Lightning might strike twice, or perhaps they found an especially skilled sunfish? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #1652 Posted December 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, LionessRacing said: Its most likey the one with the helicopter that keeps knocking them off the air... From the two attachments I posted, it is 100% clear that Scally, BJ and C are on the AIS chart... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1653 Posted December 26, 2019 Scally has gybed, look for BlackJack next.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1654 Posted December 26, 2019 Looking like the navigation of record Newport Bermuda 2016, finding a thread through the holes... Also Commanche, navigated by Mr. Honey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #1655 Posted December 26, 2019 Before people get too excited. The latest satellite AIS display and the transmit times indicates that WOXI is transmitting and it is Infotrack who is missing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1656 Posted December 26, 2019 Take a look at the tracker, the AIS is not their biggest problem, about to be passed by the 60' fleet currently going 2X as fast while they are at 3.7 kts in the hole. Probably wishing that they had not gybed West earlier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 504 #1657 Posted December 26, 2019 Comanche 19kn BJ 14kn SW 13kn WOXI 4kn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alhadder 458 #1658 Posted December 26, 2019 Comanche smoking down the track at 19kn and in the virtual lead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1659 Posted December 26, 2019 Still not looking good for WOXI Even in comparison with the 60 and 70 footers who are aproaching. Comanche 19kn BJ 14kn SW 13kn WOXI 4kn Naval 8 Alive 9 URM 9 Maserati 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1660 Posted December 26, 2019 Nice job of threading the wind.. Commanche at 19.5 on tracker, WOXI at 1/4 of that, sailing poor COG and 5-10 miles from relief. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F18 Sailor 285 #1661 Posted December 26, 2019 Indian up to 19kts...scally at 12 and Oats has the 60 footers breathing down her neck, not looking great for Ricco but there is lots of track left. @terrafirma, it’s been 5 years, we all know Comanche was never designed for S2H, she is a record setting machine and upwards of 5kts faster than the skinny boats when the breeze comes on. Cutting her up would be a damn shame. The real question I would be asking the Oats/BJ teams are what would they design if given a clean slate in 2020? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F18 Sailor 285 #1662 Posted December 26, 2019 Anyone know what the story with the VO70’s is? Down to 1 this year...I know Wizard is stateside or in Europe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1663 Posted December 26, 2019 And Black Jack now in the Westerly, check the angles on the Eastern boats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1664 Posted December 26, 2019 looks like nobody on WOXI is even WATCHING their AIS either... the 60's 3 miles away are passing them at 2x speed and they are headed south at 5 Kts, instead of coming a few miles East into the breeze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,202 #1665 Posted December 26, 2019 Oats 17 miles behind Indian, but still a lot of tricky stuff ahead - so opportunities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swimsailor 1,261 #1666 Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, terrafirma said: you have to wonder what the design brief was? Comanche was built to be a record breaker...meaning reaching across oceans at 30 knots...which they were doing yesterday. Keep in mind Comanche is the current S2H record holder. She was not designed to drift up the river like WOXI and BJ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1667 Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, terrafirma said: This looks like an Oats race now. BUT....If Karma is true then something will happen to them..? It looks impossible for Comanche now they are that slow in these conditions you have to wonder what the design brief was? Black Jack deserve a win but for some reason they always fail to deliver? There is no way Scallywag can win they are too consistently "BAD" for it to happen. But if someone opens Pandora's box none of this could be true for this race. Who's going to pick it.....????? Seems as though Pandora stepped in How only a few hours, change everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swimsailor 1,261 #1668 Posted December 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, samc99us said: Anyone know what the story with the VO70’s is? Down to 1 this year...I know Wizard is stateside or in Europe? Wizard is checking ocean races off the owners' list. They're back in the Caribbean ATM\ then doing Transpac Tahiti with the VO70 Pyewacket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1669 Posted December 26, 2019 26 minutes ago, LionessRacing said: looks like nobody on WOXI is even WATCHING their AIS either... the 60's 3 miles away are passing them at 2x speed and they are headed south at 5 Kts, instead of coming a few miles East into the breeze After 13 hours of racing naval is ahead of WOXI. 7 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: Oats 17 miles behind Indian, but still a lot of tricky stuff ahead - so opportunities. This looks very tricky, place your bets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,202 #1670 Posted December 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Schakel said: This looks very tricky, place your bets. Wouldn't be surprised if Comanche gybes again to go east. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1671 Posted December 26, 2019 As noted a lot of hard navigating and some local knowledge & drifting tactics yet to come. So far, the Navigation and "ocean sailing" has to go to Stan and crew. They set up a conservative start, went outside from the Heads, and ran it down to their gybe, subsequently have had faster & deeper sailing , and presuming that Windy has any relation to reality, look positioned to thread the gap between the holes. Seeing WOXI stubbornly holding inshore, getting passed by boats 2/3 the length only 3 miles to the East, causes you to wonder if they have a special insight or just have bad choices. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,124 #1672 Posted December 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Swimsailor said: Comanche was built to be a record breaker...meaning reaching across oceans at 30 knots...which they were doing yesterday. Keep in mind Comanche is the current S2H record holder. She was not designed to drift up the river like WOXI and BJ. Before she became another Aussie boat, she was as human powered as possible and actually participated in the classics and sailed across the Atlantic and Pacific. A lot of the Aussie 100fters are basically big fish in small pond duck queens. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swimsailor 1,261 #1673 Posted December 26, 2019 Amazing what Comanche is able to do right now. Stan Honey is some kind of wizard. I like Black Jack purely because she looks so damn good. But I know a good guy on WOXI so I feel bad they're getting so stuffed right now. Exciting race so far! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paps49 371 #1674 Posted December 26, 2019 Wow, maybe Ritcho lost his voice and no one knows what to do? Go the Indian. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom O'Keefe 124 #1675 Posted December 26, 2019 Peter Isler did a prerace forecast on Facebook yesterday that showed a route very similar to Comanche's based on the GFS model. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,440 #1676 Posted December 26, 2019 It looks like they could use a bit more wind. I'll see if I can send cyclone Sarai to Bass Strait. Anyone likes to come for a sail today? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinnFish 206 #1677 Posted December 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, paps49 said: Wow, maybe Ritcho lost his voice and no one knows what to do? Game over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1678 Posted December 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, FinnFish said: Game over. Not necessarily, lots of distance to cover and flaky/flukey winds to negotiate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ASP 124 #1679 Posted December 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, FinnFish said: Game over. 20 miles is nothing.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swimsailor 1,261 #1680 Posted December 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, FinnFish said: Game over. Have you watched this race before? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,202 #1681 Posted December 26, 2019 Top four boats have slowed again. Must be getting into some pretty light stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinnFish 206 #1682 Posted December 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Swimsailor said: Have you watched this race before? On many occasions, but it's the first time I've seen the RP66 Alive leveling up with its 100ft sister. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1683 Posted December 26, 2019 34 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said: It looks like they could use a bit more wind. I'll see if I can send cyclone Sarai to Bass Strait. Anyone likes to come for a sail today? Thanks, But no thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1684 Posted December 26, 2019 Guess the Oatley family had a better scenario in mind. Sometimes, too much competition isn't really family like. Any one knowing more about what slowed them down? Their own site doesn't give the answer. https://www.wildoatsxi.com.au/ Nor their facebook. https://www.facebook.com/wildoatsXI/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kapteeni Kalma 0 #1685 Posted December 26, 2019 I'm not sure but the InfoTrack's big spinnaker-type headsail didn't look fast at all! Were they expecting the wind holes coming sooner? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno 113 #1686 Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Fiji Bitter said: It looks like they could use a bit more wind. I'll see if I can send cyclone Sarai to Bass Strait. Anyone likes to come for a sail today? It will be pumping at Twin Pass 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno 113 #1687 Posted December 26, 2019 Interesting that the more inshore track paid for the smaller boats catching up but not for the bigger boats. Comanche seems to have gybed around it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 446 #1688 Posted December 26, 2019 Bit of a nerve shredding night for those boys out there. Can’t see the wind. Following your competition by AIS only, sail changing in and out with the breeze, gybing on a prayer hoping this will be the last one to shoot you off and into the next system, hoping that it’s not a shift that sends the back markers right around you. Brilliant tactical and luck match 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F18 Sailor 285 #1689 Posted December 26, 2019 For sure tactics are playing a role but one must wonder if something broke on Wild Oats. What are the odds on the TP’s jumping the front to stay in essentially the same band as the leaders? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swimsailor 1,261 #1690 Posted December 26, 2019 53 minutes ago, Schakel said: Guess the Oatley family had a better scenario in mind. Sometimes, too much competition isn't really family like. Any one knowing more about what slowed them down? I think they're getting beat fair and square. Which is as it should be. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1691 Posted December 26, 2019 Stanger things has happened, Magic, they get more wind in the middle of the nigth. WOXI getting it first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
