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So here is the scenario to have your best crack for next year with a cheap boat and a few mates.

It is IRC so you need to gamble hard so optimise for a corner and get the rating under 1/2 of a 100 footer so about 0.8600.

Then you need the weather to go your way which is a gale straight out of the heads so the big boats cant get too far away.

Remember you have to go 1/2 their speed.

The gale needs to last until the top of Flinders then you need to run really fast and hope you get to Tasman about midday on the 5th day to pick the sea breeze up the river.

Of course you also need to beat Duncan.

There for you to play for Bayboy!

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23 hours ago, lydia said:

Tell me the boat and I will tell you the likely AVS

Trick question which has the higher AVS a Farr (Mumm) 30 or an S&S 34

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What about the Young 11?

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Not close unless it has what is called the Wellington keel which is a “T” keel 

So either get the weight out of the rig or heavier keel and of course any modification will need sign offs

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I like this thread better than the 2018 one. Read the whole thing in under 10 minutes :)

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1 hour ago, sailorgirl218 said:

I like this thread better than the 2018 one. Read the whole thing in under 10 minutes :)

DSS needs to get you to cover the Launceston to Hobart next year, at least you wont have channel 7 getting in the way, easy fly down from Sydney.

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Oh please that would be such sweet bliss. I am in the process of replying to the main thread, up to page 21........ 

2 minutes ago, bayboy said:

DSS needs to get you to cover the Launceston to Hobart next year, at least you wont have channel 7 getting in the way, easy fly down from Sydney.

 

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Our bill about $40k for a 40ftr already in cat 1, which incuded a few new specialist sails. Insurance upgrade was $3k.

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On 1/4/2019 at 8:16 AM, lydia said:

is IRC so you need to gamble hard so optimise for a corner and get the rating under 1/2 of a 100 footer so about 0.8600.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contessa_32

tcc is 0.86, AVS 155, if it doesn’t pass scantlings I’ll eat my hat.  May be an issue with the entry req’s and LWL

just say’n...

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What is the weather forecast??

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On 1/3/2019 at 9:31 PM, HILLY said:

Launceston to Hobart is cat.3. + liferaft.

Category 3 Races:

ORCi stability index of 103 or greater, or ISO 12217-2 Design Category or IRC Category A or B, or IRC SSS Base Value of 16 or greater, or SV of 10 or less subject to B.5.1, or RMI of 1.4 or greater.

Ferk Hilly,, that s a refreshing change, I tick every box in the stability reqs. Good to see its not all yacht clubs with their head up their arse regards an exclusive ORCI 115 req.

Serves me right for buying a day sailor. I should come down and play with you guys.

 

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Hmmm...good to see ORCV allow ISO and STIX as a stability requirement, where I pass Cat 1 and 2.

CYCA relegate me to Cat3.

Go figure.

 

 

 

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On 1/3/2019 at 10:41 PM, Curious said:

What a good example of aggro sneers that are doing so much damage to our fleets. How dare someone sail a boat that you may not like!  How dare they sully the ranks of TP52s with something that only costs a year's income with Hobart gear!

 

You have missed the point. Have you ever sailed a half tonner offshore? Anyone actually wanting to do that to Hobart is unquestionably certifiable. 2 wins by 30 fters  in 74 races tells the story.

FYI I love half tonners, great boats, great racing back in the day.

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36 minutes ago, shaggybaxter said:

Hmmm...good to see ORCV allow ISO and STIX as a stability requirement, where I pass Cat 1 and 2.

CYCA relegate me to Cat3.

Go figure.

 

 

 

So can we expect you to do the M2H or L2H this year. Soak up the post 75th atmosphere without suffering CYCA agro.

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Only if you do one of them Hoppy !!!

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41 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

You have missed the point. Have you ever sailed a half tonner offshore? Anyone actually wanting to do that to Hobart is unquestionably certifiable. 2 wins by 30 fters  in 74 races tells the story.

FYI I love half tonners, great boats, great racing back in the day.

Yes I have, and I've also sailed other 30s to Hobart and on other long races as have many, many other people back when offshore racing in Australia was much bigger.

I'm not certifiable, but you are an arrogant closed-minded fuckhead who apparently thinks that because you are a wimp, everyone else is too. It's not all about winning either. It's about sailing boats that many more people can afford; where you have to be an all-rounder; and where you get a nice long sail. Sure, 630 miles on a 2200kg boat is hard but that's ocean racing. sitting on a rail or doing just one job among 12 other guys is worse for some of us. Don't sling shit because you don't get it or don't have the ticker.

 

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9 hours ago, Curious said:

Yes I have, and I've also sailed other 30s to Hobart and on other long races as have many, many other people back when offshore racing in Australia was much bigger.

I'm not certifiable, but you are an arrogant closed-minded fuckhead who apparently thinks that because you are a wimp, everyone else is too. It's not all about winning either. It's about sailing boats that many more people can afford; where you have to be an all-rounder; and where you get a nice long sail. Sure, 630 miles on a 2200kg boat is hard but that's ocean racing. sitting on a rail or doing just one job among 12 other guys is worse for some of us. Don't sling shit because you don't get it or don't have the ticker.

 

Maybe the answer is not getting more 30’s into Hobart but more 30’er friendly events.  I’ve toyed with the idea of a cat 3 coastal hop.  Jarvis bay to Port Stephens via Botany and Broken Bay.  Getting to Cat 3 is significantly less prohibitive.

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Having also done the numbers on this big problem the biggest Issue with handicap win is that the mandated safety gear works out about 63kg per crew member but the boats are weighed empty.

so you have close to 500kg extra weight in a boat that weighs say 2500 kg ie 20%

On a hundred footer you have say 15 crew but the boat weighs 22 000 kg

so about 5%

boats should be weighed for cat 1 races under irc with all the cat 1 gear on board

the little boats are sunk before the start

 recalculate some recent results and you might find chutzpah wins two

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Coupla serious rumours circulating atm......first is that the big Indian is headed back to the US under new ownership......JC blew a reported $8M in the last 12 months in his quest to win the S2H and has had enough...second is that Infotrack is about to be traded & upgraded to a new 100footer...not sure if it'll be ready for the 2019 S2H.......Hmmm!

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On 1/5/2019 at 10:35 PM, Curious said:

Yes I have, and I've also sailed other 30s to Hobart and on other long races as have many, many other people back when offshore racing in Australia was much bigger.

I'm not certifiable, but you are an arrogant closed-minded fuckhead who apparently thinks that because you are a wimp, everyone else is too. It's not all about winning either. It's about sailing boats that many more people can afford; where you have to be an all-rounder; and where you get a nice long sail. Sure, 630 miles on a 2200kg boat is hard but that's ocean racing. sitting on a rail or doing just one job among 12 other guys is worse for some of us. Don't sling shit because you don't get it or don't have the ticker.

 

Lighten up Francis

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57 minutes ago, Couta said:

JC blew a reported $8M in the last 12 months in his quest to win the S2H and has had enough

That's more than he paid for it, unless there is a second instalment to Clark incl in that. Shouldn't that also be "win it for the second time as current record holder"? Maybe had enough of some of the 100' personalities?

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51 minutes ago, Couta said:

Coupla serious rumours circulating atm......first is that the big Indian is headed back to the US under new ownership......JC blew a reported $8M in the last 12 months in his quest to win the S2H and has had enough...second is that Infotrack is about to be traded & upgraded to a new 100footer...not sure if it'll be ready for the 2019 S2H.......Hmmm!

That’s pretty massive news if that’s true... kinda surprised about JC offloading the big girl prior to the 75th...

 

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1 hour ago, Couta said:

Coupla serious rumours circulating atm......first is that the big Indian is headed back to the US under new ownership......JC blew a reported $8M in the last 12 months in his quest to win the S2H and has had enough...second is that Infotrack is about to be traded & upgraded to a new 100footer...not sure if it'll be ready for the 2019 S2H.......Hmmm!

 

32 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

That's more than he paid for it, unless there is a second instalment to Clark incl in that. Shouldn't that also be "win it for the second time as current record holder"? Maybe had enough of some of the 100' personalities?

Jack my mail is that BJ offered between $12- 15 million for the big Indian and it was knocked back. 

 

As as far as spending $8m on the Indian for this years complaining ?

 

It sounds about right, when you think about it. Oats spends $3-5m a year to complain it. The Big Indian has raced and trained more this year than in other years and when you think about it, knew winch systems, new sails and paid crew and other changes to the Boat $8m isn’t that far fetched. The old BJ the Volvo 70 had $4-4.5m spent on it the last 12 months they raced it. 

 

Big boats cost big bucks to run and race. If JC is pulling the pin I’d be surprised, he’s got he money and the time to spend on any Boat he wants and he did a awesome job helming the Boat out of the harbour this year. 

 

So I hope this rumour is not true as it’s great to see the worlds top boats fighting it out here on the east coast. 

 

Pulpit

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On 1/5/2019 at 11:06 AM, SPORTSCAR said:

Have you ever sailed a half tonner offshore? Anyone actually wanting to do that to Hobart is unquestionably certifiable.

FYI I love half tonners, great boats, great racing back in the day.

My brother did in 1989 with a 1/2 tonner called 'Half Hour'.  Don't know the story or how he got involved with the program or owner.   Owner's surname was Hancock I believe hence the half hour.  I believe it was pretty 'sporty' and creature comforts were .... well ..... not there at all.

Any of you have intel on the boat or program?

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On 1/5/2019 at 11:30 AM, VOA said:

Some of the best times and some of the worst on my dirty old Peterson. 

I’d have had a go at it 20 years ago if I had the money

Joe average is out of S2H in this day and age. 

If he lived in the UK, Joe average could have a Fastnet eligible boat for under £30k 

https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/whitbread-30/590115

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7 hours ago, Laser1 said:

My brother did in 1989 with a 1/2 tonner called 'Half Hour'.  Don't know the story or how he got involved with the program or owner.   Owner's surname was Hancock I believe hence the half hour.  I believe it was pretty 'sporty' and creature comforts were .... well ..... not there at all.

Any of you have intel on the boat or program?

Rob Humphreys design, and one of the early builds by Boatspeed I think. Yep, owned by Sydney lawyer John Hancock which is the inspiration for the name. I think her Hobart attempt may have hit the same problem as the one encountered by Zumdish, Einstein etc - the really light stripped-out half tonners never had good Hobarts because they were probably too exhausting. The slightly bigger boats (in interior if not overall) like the Dubois halves and the threequarter tonners, like the old halves, did better.

Half Hour did some JOG racing but suffered from being put in Div 1 with boats distorted to fit the JOG rule, I think. I think she was then used as a harbour racer and kept in very good condition for years.

 

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11 hours ago, Couta said:

Coupla serious rumours circulating atm......first is that the big Indian is headed back to the US under new ownership......JC blew a reported $8M in the last 12 months in his quest to win the S2H and has had enough...second is that Infotrack is about to be traded & upgraded to a new 100footer...not sure if it'll be ready for the 2019 S2H.......Hmmm!

Interesting to see that about about Infotrack. On the dock in Hobart she looked very drab in terms of maintenance, poor relation style, when viewed alongside her super-maxi contemporaries.

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On 1/3/2019 at 7:18 PM, lydia said:

Sporty

I have a 1/2 toner you can borrow

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Cheers Lydia, will get back to you on that. When are you taking her down to Tas?

 

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On 1/5/2019 at 10:30 PM, VOA said:

Some of the best times and some of the worst on my dirty old Peterson. 

I’d have had a go at it 20 years ago if I had the money

Joe average is out of S2H in this day and age. 

Sadly true. We had a Peterson 30 IOR Half back in the day too but never raced it offshore. I remember the guys who delivered her Syd-Melb (Bob Judd iirc?) in January 76 telling my Dad to keep her on Port Phillip.  

Very rare to see 30 fter entries in longer races these days, compliance and other related costs have gone beyond the reach of Joe average. Talking with the Gunrunner (Jarkan 925) dudes on the dock in Hobart last week, they are Army funded so not too much out of their own pockets and they do it as much for the overall adventure as for the sailing. Good on 'em, I reckon that is an outstanding use of taxpayer funds!

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On ‎1‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 8:47 AM, lydia said:

Having also done the numbers on this big problem the biggest Issue with handicap win is that the mandated safety gear works out about 63kg per crew member but the boats are weighed empty.

so you have close to 500kg extra weight in a boat that weighs say 2500 kg ie 20%

On a hundred footer you have say 15 crew but the boat weighs 22 000 kg

so about 5%

boats should be weighed for cat 1 races under irc with all the cat 1 gear on board

the little boats are sunk before the start

 recalculate some recent results and you might find chutzpah wins two

63kg seems a lot. that would mean we added 630kg. 160kg water, 70kg fuel, say 15kg/p personal gear and food. 380kg, raft plus non fixed safety gear 70kg. about 450kg and does not IRC include an allowance when calculating rating? it used to show up on the rating certificate as IRC wt but is now hidden. 

% wt increase has an effect but I don't think it is IRC which makes small boats uncompetitive. 

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43 minutes ago, Rawhide said:

63kg seems a lot. that would mean we added 630kg. 160kg water, 70kg fuel, say 15kg/p personal gear and food. 380kg, raft plus non fixed safety gear 70kg. about 450kg and does not IRC include an allowance when calculating rating? it used to show up on the rating certificate as IRC wt but is now hidden. 

% wt increase has an effect but I don't think it is IRC which makes small boats uncompetitive. 

R, you need to include all the things not on the boat as measurement so you need to include anchors, chain, warp, flares, lifejackets/harnesses, prescribed charts and books, first aid kits, etc.

IRC makes no allowance for the weight of safety gear.

So what you the Ker 40 rates if it weighed in at 5000kg instead of 4300kg.

That is the point.

cheers

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Got it thanks. It looks like IRC wt includes crew but not safety gear

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3 minutes ago, Rawhide said:

Got it thanks. It looks like IRC wt includes crew but not safety gear

Yep, and explains why you always need to be on max weight under IRC in a little boat as the increased righting moment is assumed.

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On 1/6/2019 at 8:14 AM, Spoonie said:

Maybe the answer is not getting more 30’s into Hobart but more 30’er friendly events.  I’ve toyed with the idea of a cat 3 coastal hop.  Jarvis bay to Port Stephens via Botany and Broken Bay.  Getting to Cat 3 is significantly less prohibitive.

the CYCA's Ocean Pointscore is theoretically 30'er friendly on those criteria but precious few turn out.

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6 hours ago, Rawhide said:

Got it thanks. It looks like IRC wt includes crew but not safety gear

But... if you get a 2handed certificate with commensurately lower crew weight your rating doesn't go up. The SSS value will though (for what that's worth).

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5 minutes ago, Snowden said:

But... if you get a 2handed certificate with commensurately lower crew weight your rating doesn't go up. The SSS value will though (for what that's worth).

Worth zero in this case as CYCA dont accept IRC SSS for SH. 

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10 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Worth zero in this case as CYCA dont accept IRC SSS for SH. 

S, see the ship is still at the Royals, when is it leaving?

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8 minutes ago, lydia said:

S, see the ship is still at the Royals, when is it leaving?

They should be going around Tasman about now. Assume next stop Sydney & they’ll swap out. 

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On 1/7/2019 at 8:16 AM, Curious said:

Rob Humphreys design, and one of the early builds by Boatspeed I think. Yep, owned by Sydney lawyer John Hancock which is the inspiration for the name. I think her Hobart attempt may have hit the same problem as the one encountered by Zumdish, Einstein etc - the really light stripped-out half tonners never had good Hobarts because they were probably too exhausting. The slightly bigger boats (in interior if not overall) like the Dubois halves and the threequarter tonners, like the old halves, did better.

Half Hour did some JOG racing but suffered from being put in Div 1 with boats distorted to fit the JOG rule, I think. I think she was then used as a harbour racer and kept in very good condition for years.

 

I think it was the last IOR half tonner ever built, triple spreader rig with diamonds, very small mast.  I think it was carbn/nomex Ended up being owned by Paul Hendry and sailed at the RSYS with a crew from the Flying Squadron bar.  A lot of beer was drunk on it.  Not sure where it ended up

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I think the cost of doing a Hobart is a bit misleading..... sure if you buy an un-raced boat and start from scratch put on some pro sailors etc sure it would cost $100,000 +.

However most of us sail with mates who pay there own way, chip in for food, pay their own flights etc etc.

Hopefully the boat would have already done some offshore racing and be prepped and maintained, have a stability certificate etc etc

If you buy a good offshore main it will last 2 or 3 years no problem.

Upgrade from cat 2 to cat1 is small except for hf radio. 

To increase participation the race should be cat2 anyway.

It is after all just a coastal race (Gabo to Flinders is roughly 150nm) and you are never more than an hour away from outside help.

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1 hour ago, bushsailor said:

I think the cost of doing a Hobart is a bit misleading..... sure if you buy an un-raced boat and start from scratch put on some pro sailors etc sure it would cost $100,000 +.

However most of us sail with mates who pay there own way, chip in for food, pay their own flights etc etc.

Bushy good point. However the interesting thing is what used to be ",pay your own way" entries have morphed a bit with some owner largese appearing. Even if just a plane ticket to get back home, or say a delivery skipper being engaged to get the sucker home. However your point is correct as nearly identical boats and programs can have quite divergent budgets.

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4 hours ago, bushsailor said:

I think the cost of doing a Hobart is a bit misleading..... sure if you buy an un-raced boat and start from scratch put on some pro sailors etc sure it would cost $100,000 +.

However most of us sail with mates who pay there own way, chip in for food, pay their own flights etc etc.

Hopefully the boat would have already done some offshore racing and be prepped and maintained, have a stability certificate etc etc

If you buy a good offshore main it will last 2 or 3 years no problem.

Upgrade from cat 2 to cat1 is small except for hf radio. 

To increase participation the race should be cat2 anyway.

It is after all just a coastal race (Gabo to Flinders is roughly 150nm) and you are never more than an hour away from outside help.

So you will be getting your own cheque book out then.

let me know how you go!

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On 1/7/2019 at 12:06 AM, pulpit said:

 

Jack my mail is that BJ offered between $12- 15 million for the big Indian and it was knocked back. 

 

As as far as spending $8m on the Indian for this years complaining ?

 

It sounds about right, when you think about it. Oats spends $3-5m a year to complain it. The Big Indian has raced and trained more this year than in other years and when you think about it, knew winch systems, new sails and paid crew and other changes to the Boat $8m isn’t that far fetched. The old BJ the Volvo 70 had $4-4.5m spent on it the last 12 months they raced it. 

 

Big boats cost big bucks to run and race. If JC is pulling the pin I’d be surprised, he’s got he money and the time to spend on any Boat he wants and he did a awesome job helming the Boat out of the harbour this year. 

 

So I hope this rumour is not true as it’s great to see the worlds top boats fighting it out here on the east coast. 

 

Pulpit

He was never going to last long.

Pulpit did you watch the start? At 3.30 to go the crew had to take the wheel off him.

He had a shocker of a start.

 

 

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15 hours ago, bushsailor said:

To increase participation the race should be cat2 anyway.

It is after all just a coastal race (Gabo to Flinders is roughly 150nm) and you are never more than an hour away from outside help.

Maate!  This is either a troll or the most naive description of a bad Hobart I've ever seen.  Tell the guys from '70 or '98 that they were only an hour away from help and I'd say it would be a long time before you could walk again.:angry:

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On 1/7/2019 at 8:16 AM, Curious said:

Rob Humphreys design, and one of the early builds by Boatspeed I think. Yep, owned by Sydney lawyer John Hancock which is the inspiration for the name. I think her Hobart attempt may have hit the same problem as the one encountered by Zumdish, Einstein etc - the really light stripped-out half tonners never had good Hobarts because they were probably too exhausting. The slightly bigger boats (in interior if not overall) like the Dubois halves and the threequarter tonners, like the old halves, did better.

Half Hour did some JOG racing but suffered from being put in Div 1 with boats distorted to fit the JOG rule, I think. I think she was then used as a harbour racer and kept in very good condition for years.

 

after doing lots of miles offshore on half hour and other 1/2 tonners ,you are right about them being exhausting,upwind in a blow was like riding a mechanical bull ,after a few hours you were stuffed. they were too light and late IOR 1/2 tonners were roughly only 26foot on the waterline, Half Hour had a charmed life Hancock used to keep it on the hard stand at RSYS with full covers like a Etchell ,a pain after a day outside ,it originally had a etchell section mast which went over the side in the harbour. and when Paul Hendry had it ,he ran the slipway at pattons in kiribilli so it was really well prepared  ,it had a gun crew , it had the highest CPM (cans per mile of any boat on the harbour) but i would'nt choose to go to hobart in a 1/2 tonner 

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On 1/7/2019 at 2:41 AM, lydia said:

Yep, and explains why you always need to be on max weight under IRC in a little boat as the increased righting moment is assumed.

I often wonder how boats would have evolved with no rating rules forcing them down a path?? 

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11 hours ago, Feilberg said:

He was never going to last long.

Pulpit did you watch the start? At 3.30 to go the crew had to take the wheel off him.

He had a shocker of a start.

 

 

Feilberg,

 

Yes, the Indian did have a shocker at the start, just remember It's not who's first out of the harbour that wins this race, but who's  first across the finish line that matters ( or Protest outcomes ). 

 

It's great to see Jim as a  owner / driver steering his own boat at the start in a big race don't you think ?

 

One could say that the he needs to look at his crew if they had to take over at 3.30 to go don't you think ? 

 

After all he is paying the bills so he should be able to what ever he wants, and there are plenty of owners that pay crew to tell they what to do when racing at top levels, just look at TP52's so why can't he do the same thing.

 

When you look at the Big Indian and Jim looking at moving it on ? Jim has done a awesome job in the last year in getting the boat going faster and improving her light weather performance . Jim has spend plenty of coin to get it to were it is now and I can see him beginning to question him self as to if he keeps the boat or not. It's not the cost in dollars  that's the problem as He has plenty of coin and he  has spent plenty of time in the last year on the boat as well. Yes, as a super maxi owner he's learning how much it cost to be at the front of the fleet and stay there. The biggest problem that I see he has is it's the wrong design of boat for Australia. The Indian was designed as a flat out record chaser for the big down wind races and when you look at most of our major races in Australia it's not the right boat. Oats, BJ, Wild thing and Scallywag are all better designs for our normal races and conditions. So as far as passing it on to a new owner, I can understand that as well. 

 

So lets see what happens and watch this space as far as the Big Indian.

 

Pulpit

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17 minutes ago, pulpit said:

The biggest problem that I see he has is it's the wrong design of boat for Australia. The Indian was designed as a flat out record chaser for the big down wind races and when you look at most of our major races in Australia it's not the right boat.

It actually the wrong design for the normal weather patterns attached to most races. The exceptions are those with some distance and at high latitudes. That said it did a remarkable job keeping WOXI and BJ out up to Tasman Is.

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4 hours ago, Recidivist said:

Maate!  This is either a troll or the most naive description of a bad Hobart I've ever seen.  Tell the guys from '70 or '98 that they were only an hour away from help and I'd say it would be a long time before you could walk again.:angry:

Do you have any idea of the difference between cat 2 and cat 1?

Cat 1 is for extended periods of self sufficiency, mainly with drugs.  (only real difference)

 

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Just now, bushsailor said:

Do you have any idea of the difference between cat 2 and cat 1?

Cat 1 is for extended periods of self sufficiency, mainly with drugs.  (only real difference)

 

Where did you get the impression that was what I was taking issue with?  Read my comment again - maybe repetition will help comprehension.

And I suspect I've done a lot more Cat 1 races than you have, including as skipper responsible for carrying serious drugs for those extended periods of self-sufficiency in international races, as well as S-H.

If you aren't just trolling for an argument, I apologise - but that's what it looks like to me.

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Depends upon your perception of extended periods. All well and good if the race is little more than an overnighter at 20+ knots in a maxi. The guys in Gun Runner probably have a rather different view.

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Agree: 

WOXI RP100 43hrs 

ALIVE RP66 49hrs

GUN RUNNER JARKAN 925 108hrs

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2 hours ago, pulpit said:

Feilberg,

 

Yes, the Indian did have a shocker at the start, just remember It's not who's first out of the harbour that wins this race, but who's  first across the finish line that matters ( or Protest outcomes ). 

 

It's great to see Jim as a  owner / driver steering his own boat at the start in a big race don't you think ?

 

One could say that the he needs to look at his crew if they had to take over at 3.30 to go don't you think ? 

 

After all he is paying the bills so he should be able to what ever he wants, and there are plenty of owners that pay crew to tell they what to do when racing at top levels, just look at TP52's so why can't he do the same thing.

 

When you look at the Big Indian and Jim looking at moving it on ? Jim has done a awesome job in the last year in getting the boat going faster and improving her light weather performance . Jim has spend plenty of coin to get it to were it is now and I can see him beginning to question him self as to if he keeps the boat or not. It's not the cost in dollars  that's the problem as He has plenty of coin and he  has spent plenty of time in the last year on the boat as well. Yes, as a super maxi owner he's learning how much it cost to be at the front of the fleet and stay there. The biggest problem that I see he has is it's the wrong design of boat for Australia. The Indian was designed as a flat out record chaser for the big down wind races and when you look at most of our major races in Australia it's not the right boat. Oats, BJ, Wild thing and Scallywag are all better designs for our normal races and conditions. So as far as passing it on to a new owner, I can understand that as well. 

 

So lets see what happens and watch this space as far as the Big Indian.

 

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Nice.

the start is so important. 

as you say he's dripping cash everywhere on that boat to give it the best chance, hired all the right people. Why after all that effort would you not give your team the best possible chance and put number 1 starting helm on? 

In that fleet of 100s the start area is tiny and he's up against the best.

Good luck to him in my opinion he blew that race.

You ask about the crew, you are kidding mate they would have had to take a safe option.

You did watch it right?

 

Anyway as u say he "pay the cost to be the boss"

Have a great day!

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Feilberg said:

Nice.

the start is so important. 

as you say he's dripping cash everywhere on that boat to give it the best chance, hired all the right people. Why after all that effort would you not give your team the best possible chance and put number 1 starting helm on? 

In that fleet of 100s the start area is tiny and he's up against the best.

Good luck to him in my opinion he blew that race.

You ask about the crew, you are kidding mate they would have had to take a safe option.

You did watch it right?

 

Anyway as u say he "pay the cost to be the boss"

Have a great day!

 

 

 

Mate I have seen the start and yes maybe the crew starting was the better and safer option. The thing is he had hired the best for the race in Jamie Spithill, the thing is Jamie had to pull out due to injury and not much time to get Kenny or anyone else.

 

I hope that he keeps the boat and gives it a red hot go as it’s great to see the 100’s finally matching up to each other and this year was very close. I wonder how the 100’s will go in a real Southey buster and how the old pocket maxis or Volvo 70’s will fair. You can only slow these boats down so much in a blow before damage will start to take them out. 

 

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Anyone know of a S38 / first 40 or similar available for the 75th? I’ve been doing a little bit of digging but haven’t gotten very far as yet...

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3 minutes ago, Next Level said:

Anyone know of a S38 / first 40 or similar available for the 75th? I’ve been doing a little bit of digging but haven’t gotten very far as yet...

Ask Hoppy. He has their details plastered on his bedroom ceiling.

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1 hour ago, Next Level said:

Anyone know of a S38 / first 40 or similar available for the 75th? I’ve been doing a little bit of digging but haven’t gotten very far as yet...

 

1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Ask Hoppy. He has their details plastered on his bedroom ceiling.

Now, now, if it as on the roof, hoppy’s misses would have to look at it every time they have sex and he was on top. It’s got to be on the wall, that way every time she puts the strap on, Hoppy can look at them and think of England. Lol

 

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8 hours ago, Next Level said:

Anyone know of a S38 / first 40 or similar available for the 75th? I’ve been doing a little bit of digging but haven’t gotten very far as yet...

Eastsail

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9 hours ago, Feilberg said:

Eastsail

Tried them but they told me otherwise. I know they have some First 40s so that was one of my first enquiries. 

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End of ad says 'pics to follow'... I'm not waiting with bated breath. I'm sure it'd be a big ask for anyone to get it to the start line this year though.

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7 hours ago, ALL@SEA said:

End of ad says 'pics to follow'... I'm not waiting with bated breath. I'm sure it'd be a big ask for anyone to get it to the start line this year though.

and the price says it all

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19 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

43 year old boat with no photos might say it all.

Yeah, I would have laminated that hull and deck in my 20's so that's a concern, the 70's were a bit of a blur. Hornet a few spots up would be a safer bet I reccon, all timber, no cigarette butts in her layup!

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10 hours ago, paps49 said:

Yeah, I would have laminated that hull and deck in my 20's so that's a concern, the 70's were a bit of a blur. Hornet a few spots up would be a safer bet I reccon, all timber, no cigarette butts in her layup!

Was Hornet the Dunc 3/4 ton plug?

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26 minutes ago, Curious said:

Was Hornet the Dunc 3/4 ton plug?

Yep, do you know where she ended up?

 

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I think she may have been in Hobart but I'm not sure whether there was just an S&S36 of that name or two boats of that name.

The Duncos were pretty tough I thought,you can't have been doing too bad a job.

 

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There is a 'Hornet' still ambling around the course in Hobart, and now you mention it she looks like a Dunc.

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On 1/10/2019 at 1:01 PM, Next Level said:

Anyone know of a S38 / first 40 or similar available for the 75th? I’ve been doing a little bit of digging but haven’t gotten very far as yet...

PM Lydia and get your check book out. You may as well buy a S38 as the charter fee would be about half the purchase price and you still got to deliver it back. 

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On 1/10/2019 at 9:35 PM, Feilberg said:

Eastsail

You might find a private owner who will rent you the keys to their boat for the Hobart but no charter company in Aus is going to let a bunch of punters bash the shit out of a business asset with out a Pro skipper on board. If you want to go bareboating Croatia is nice but you will need an ICC.  I have had two enquires about our BH 41 for the Hobart.I said you can charter it for 90k or buy it for 80. 

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On 1/8/2019 at 4:42 PM, bushsailor said:

I think the cost of doing a Hobart is a bit misleading..... sure if you buy an un-raced boat and start from scratch put on some pro sailors etc sure it would cost $100,000 +.

However most of us sail with mates who pay there own way, chip in for food, pay their own flights etc etc.

Hopefully the boat would have already done some offshore racing and be prepped and maintained, have a stability certificate etc etc

If you buy a good offshore main it will last 2 or 3 years no problem.

Upgrade from cat 2 to cat1 is small except for hf radio. 

To increase participation the race should be cat2 anyway.

It is after all just a coastal race (Gabo to Flinders is roughly 150nm) and you are never more than an hour away from outside help.

Kids today. You could just get Daddy to pay and when it all goes pear shaped Daddy can pay for the helicopter to come get you. It is only a hour after all. Or do you think the taxpayers should fund that? Hell maybe they should pay for your whole campaign- there might be some government grants available. Sailability get some assistance to take people with special needs sailing and you are clearly retarded. 

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On 1/9/2019 at 8:57 AM, mad said:

I often wonder how boats would have evolved with no rating rules forcing them down a path?? 

They would have more than one, and less than four, hulls. 

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On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 5:42 PM, bushsailor said:

I think the cost of doing a Hobart is a bit misleading..... sure if you buy an un-raced boat and start from scratch put on some pro sailors etc sure it would cost $100,000 +.

However most of us sail with mates who pay there own way, chip in for food, pay their own flights etc etc.

Hopefully the boat would have already done some offshore racing and be prepped and maintained, have a stability certificate etc etc

If you buy a good offshore main it will last 2 or 3 years no problem.

Upgrade from cat 2 to cat1 is small except for hf radio. 

To increase participation the race should be cat2 anyway.

It is after all just a coastal race (Gabo to Flinders is roughly 150nm) and you are never more than an hour away from outside help.

I am going with "troll", no one could be this stupid.

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1 hour ago, lydia said:

I am going with "troll", no one could be this stupid.

Maybe he is just young- you know the old saying, hire people younger than 25 - you get them cheaply whilst they still know everything.

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3 hours ago, LB 15 said:

PM Lydia and get your check book out. You may as well buy a S38 as the charter fee would be about half the purchase price and you still got to deliver it back. 

Mate, are you getting after it today or did you sail at dawn with the tide or something? I got up at 5am & this post was already 30mins old. I peed, let the dog out & sensibly went back to bed. 

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LB was just getting home, he is really Jack sparrow but his wife does not know so he has to go down to road to his other house to post.

Shit should not have said that!

At least I have the excuse of daylight saving.

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3 hours ago, LB 15 said:

I have had two enquires about our BH 41 for the Hobart.I said you can charter it for 90k or buy it for 80. 

You should post it in the 80k thread so Hoppy can make some excuses as to why not.....

Oh wait, that's me...

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14 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Mate, are you getting after it today or did you sail at dawn with the tide or something? I got up at 5am & this post was already 30mins old. I peed, let the dog out & sensibly went back to bed. 

Nah in a weird sleeping pattern at the moment. Going to bed at about 730 and getting up a 4 am. I get some work done, do a bit of SA shitcanning and go for a hours ride before the family get up. I blame it on being off the piss. Quite enjoying it in fact. 

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

 go for a hours ride before the family get up. 

Ohh god, what a distressing thought, another old guy in Lycra.....:blink:

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5 minutes ago, hoppy said:

Ohh god, what a distressing thought, another old guy in Lycra.....:blink:

I am one of those flappy t-shirt guys on a mountain bike Hoppy. And I stick to the cycle paths where the scenery is much better than on the road. The earlier you go the better it is. The fat ones don't get out of bed until later on.

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7AM

Image result for FAT GIRLS WALKING IN LYCRA

6AM

Image result for women walking

5AM 

Image result for HOT girls jogging

4 AM

Related image

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Things start to pick up again after 9AM.

Image result for YUMMY MUMMYS JOGGING WITH PRAMS

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23 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

7AM

Image result for FAT GIRLS WALKING IN LYCRA

6AM

Image result for women walking

5AM 

Image result for HOT girls jogging

4 AM

Related image

Which picture is you?

Second thoughts, I don't want to know.

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38 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

I am one of those flappy t-shirt guys on a mountain bike Hoppy. And I stick to the cycle paths where the scenery is much better than on the road. The earlier you go the better it is. The fat ones don't get out of bed until later on.

The people of Queensland should rejoice 

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6 minutes ago, Black Sox said:

Which picture is you?

Second thoughts, I don't want to know.

I will give you the same advice I give instructors when I am training them. If you are not naturally funny, it is best not to try.

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29 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

5AM 

Image result for HOT girls jogging

Shit, I have to wake up early...

 

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Things start to pick up again after 9AM.

Image result for YUMMY MUMMYS JOGGING WITH PRAMS

But the local yummy mummy's are pretty good

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