paps49 371 #1901 Posted December 27, 2019 Just now, trt131 said: Idiot, thats not a slam dunk. A slam dunk is a tack to windward of the other boat right on their wind. It was just an expression not a sailing term dipshit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shanghaisailor 1,177 #1902 Posted December 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Comanche just over 4 miles ahead of Infotrack now that's a great result and building. Ichi ban still ahead of Naval Group not bad for a 52 footer vs 69 feet. URM the Maxi 72 ahead of Alive also. But Naval lost out in the lighter stuff. Stan Honey does it again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 2,830 #1903 Posted December 27, 2019 That's about as good as it gets for the Indian right now , it's a drag race currently 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1904 Posted December 27, 2019 Comanche is just pure power theirs to lose now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shanghaisailor 1,177 #1905 Posted December 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, paps49 said: It was just an expression not a sailing term dipshit. Hey paps, do we have to start explaining to some of these (insert derogatory epithet of choice) the source of EVERY expression? As far as I am aware it is just slang and has no official sailing designation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paps49 371 #1906 Posted December 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said: Stan Honey does it again It certainly seems so. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oneiron 12 #1907 Posted December 27, 2019 35 minutes ago, Francis Vaughan said: Seems we had this exact same conversation in 2017. Nothing if not consistent. IMHO the only thing that makes the tack look close is the amount of money involved if they touched. Otherwise SW nailed the move, unlike WOXI in 2017, when MR overcooked it, badly. Agreed, perfect move by SW(I can’t believe I just typed that..) but let’s be honest, if WO have their sail selections and set up right from the start, they should have been well in front anyway. .. Let’s focus on the gold that is forming in the way of a TP 52 sandwich at Tasman island.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 2,830 #1908 Posted December 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said: Comanche is just pure power theirs to lose now only 3 at >20 SOG and the Indiand is clear by a couple @ 25.4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 2,830 #1909 Posted December 27, 2019 scratch that 4 , although well back Frantic is in the 20 plus bracket as well . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paps49 371 #1910 Posted December 27, 2019 As many of you know I am not much of a WOXI fan. However I have to say I'm impressed. They were out the back door big time. What they do superbly is sail that boat to the max in whatever conditions they are in. Thats where the lesser teams fall down The rest of the hoopla, not so much. GO THE INDIAN! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tropical Madness 72 #1911 Posted December 27, 2019 Well if we look at the wind it’s shifting north t as they head down, DDW is the favourite direction for the RP sleds... Pity they can’t crank on the brace pull the pole back and run deep like they used to. But I think it will be close after the gybe. How much can Com pull away before then... it could be quite a few miles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 974 #1912 Posted December 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said: Comanche is just pure power theirs to lose now Their's or the weather? LOL I don't think they will be the reason if they lose it will be the weather. Having said that they are now 5.5 miles ahead of Infotrack. Around 17 Miles ahead of Oats their nemesis. At this rate of extending they could well be over 10 miles ahead of Info and 20 Miles ahead of Oats at Tasman Island. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paps49 371 #1913 Posted December 27, 2019 It is going to be fascinating. The Indian is smoking, but burning up her advantage angle wise with squarish running predicted down the coast. It's going to be a long night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twocan 4 #1914 Posted December 27, 2019 Maverick also seems to be on a bit of a charge, 18knots and closed a fair bit on Gweilo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1915 Posted December 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Their's or the weather? LOL I don't think they will be the reason if they lose it will be the weather. Having said that they are now 5.5 miles ahead of Infotrack. Around 17 Miles ahead of Oats their nemesis. At this rate of extending they could well be over 10 miles ahead of Info and 20 Miles ahead of Oats at Tasman Island. I think they will have that kinda advantage. Such a beast in its conditions, untouchable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paps49 371 #1916 Posted December 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, paps49 said: It is going to be fascinating. The Indian is smoking, but burning up her advantage angle wise with squarish running predicted down the coast. It's going to be a long night. About midnight tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 33 #1917 Posted December 27, 2019 Maserati looking strong fat bum time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 974 #1918 Posted December 27, 2019 Yeah Comanche's angle isn't going to last at this rate. I'm surprised they have to be this hot? The good news is there is more pressure but up their arse later tonight. Wild Oats will relish these conditions. Stan knows the boat but only he knows what their routing shows compared to the other boats? The other good news for them is Oats is a way back and further than she was in years gone by. I think Comanche got out to 10 miles ahead of Oats at the moment she is 18 miles ahead of Ricco and the boys. Scally has pulled level with BJ wow..! Info holding firm with the boats behind her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twocan 4 #1919 Posted December 27, 2019 Really starting to look like a great fight for the minor placings on line, come on you fat arsed buffalo girl! Send it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
resist 29 #1920 Posted December 27, 2019 Looking like a great fight for all positions on the line and a long time before all the quiet and strong races behind are sorted out. Little boats forecast to be in great breeze in 12 hours. Loving it Though not so sexy for IRC7 in 24 hours. Still looks good for a winner from IRC1 or IRC2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 974 #1921 Posted December 27, 2019 Comanche finally sailing way deeper..! Their angle is way better now which if sustained means they can hold it for longer and keep their gains coming. Their speed is good and consistently faster than the other 100's. 20 odd miles ahead of Oats now. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #1922 Posted December 27, 2019 Anyone who thinks LO is a foregone conclusion now has obviously never followed the S2H racing history... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 974 #1923 Posted December 27, 2019 A Race against time for Comanche there is breeze until 6am tomorrow morning. 7am onwards at the Derwent it is a parking lot. If they average 20 Knots they will be at Tasman Island in 8 hours at around 5am. That only leaves them 2 hours to get home. This could be a repeat nightmare for them? It's in the lap of the wind gods Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 974 #1924 Posted December 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said: Anyone who thinks LO is a foregone conclusion now has obviously never followed the S2H racing history... Yeah my predictions and based on the Windy forecast is they could be parked in the Derwent. Do you mean LH ? What is LO? P.S. Both Windy and Predict Wind show a parking lot after 6am in the Derwent Region Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,199 #1925 Posted December 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, terrafirma said: What is LO? Line "Onners"? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 501 #1926 Posted December 27, 2019 Perfect setup by Comanche, much better angle than they have had before. At this rate looks like they should extend enough to take it, but anything could happen. One bad sail change between 2-5th. Would think BJ & WOXI have more gears & be able to change quicker than info & SW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 974 #1927 Posted December 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: Line "Onners"? Never heard of it...! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trt131 168 #1928 Posted December 27, 2019 WOXI 29.8 knts !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joke989 3 #1929 Posted December 27, 2019 starting to move Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 974 #1930 Posted December 27, 2019 A 20 mile lead is only 1 hour if the boat behind you is going 20 Knots. So Comanche could end up at the Derwent entrance 20 Miles ahead of Black Jack etc but with no wind. Let's see how accurate the weather is from Predict Wind and Windy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 974 #1931 Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, joke989 said: starting to move Looks like more breeze for Oats she could be in front of Scally very very soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twocan 4 #1932 Posted December 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, trt131 said: WOXI 29.8 knts !! Abberation, as in 10 min sked commanche has still extended there overall slightly while "doing" 23.8 knots. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trt131 168 #1933 Posted December 27, 2019 Yep, I realise that it is only a snap shot at that time, however it is still impressive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10thTonner 243 #1934 Posted December 27, 2019 2 hours ago, paps49 said: It was just an expression not a sailing term dipshit. Sorry, but it is a sailing term. I think I first read it in a 1980s book by... Dennis Conner! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 974 #1935 Posted December 27, 2019 Maverick into 2nd place on handicap overall. DSS and the Gilmour Brothers smoking... Comanche need to get to Tasman Island sooner rather than later. My predictions put them at the Derwent with bugger all breeze. If they can get there an hour sooner then that may be all the difference? TENSE TIMES....! P.S. My calcs based on an average of 20 Knots until Tasman Island but if they can average 24 Knots that gives them an extra hour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twocan 4 #1936 Posted December 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Maverick into 2nd place on handicap overall. DSS and the Gilmour Brothers smoking... Comanche need to get to Tasman Island sooner rather than later. My predictions put them at the Derwent with bugger all breeze. If they can get there an hour sooner then that may be all the difference? TENSE TIMES....! Maverick on a massive charge but will it be all in vain if they get parked up?! Best S2H in a long time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 974 #1937 Posted December 27, 2019 From last years race.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason AUS 250 #1938 Posted December 27, 2019 35 minutes ago, 10thTonner said: Sorry, but it is a sailing term. I think I first read it in a 1980s book by... Dennis Conner! Slam dunk is not originally a sailing term.... you ever seen any of them tall fellas what play with basketballs? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #1939 Posted December 27, 2019 1 hour ago, terrafirma said: Yeah my predictions and based on the Windy forecast is they could be parked in the Derwent. Do you mean LH ? What is LO? P.S. Both Windy and Predict Wind show a parking lot after 6am in the Derwent Region My comment was aimed at the "fight for the minor placings"...... LO is just a brain fade..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbow Spirit 283 #1940 Posted December 27, 2019 The flood tide in Hobart peaks around 10am tomorrow morning, so Comanche will have a window to finish by then, after that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schakel 124 #1941 Posted December 27, 2019 Scallywag and Blackjack within sight of each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10thTonner 243 #1942 Posted December 27, 2019 9 hours ago, boomer said: Fast forwarded to the infraction. Typical, btw, that Seven cuts away from the copter view just when it gets interesting for a sailing audience, and gives us some meaningless, distorted “onboard action” instead. The whole discussion wouldn’t be here, had they made the cut ten seconds later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomer 401 #1943 Posted December 27, 2019 Seven's coverage actually confirmed, even though they switched to an onboard view - what's fairly obvious to most, it was a perfectly executed leebow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
podrick 1 #1944 Posted December 27, 2019 All waiting for The Indian to gybe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Coventry 5 #1945 Posted December 27, 2019 She has Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALL@SEA 247 #1947 Posted December 27, 2019 More breeze than I'd have guessed. 32-37 knots N @Maria Isl, and NNE 29-36 @ Tasman Island.... Much less inshore, but far from a glass out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redreuben 47 #1948 Posted December 27, 2019 The ABC described the super maxi battle as a game of cat and mouse. I would have thought cowboys and Indians a closer analogy. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1949 Posted December 27, 2019 Progressing the tracker, the Wind will carry Commanche in a building breeze to the corner and then nicely across Storm bay. Unless there's a major deviation from forecast (and it's been surprisingly predictive for the last 30 hrs) or a breakdown, this is all over but the fanboy bleating. Nicely done. Setup to take a careful start, run away building separation to the East, finesses the transistions and then pure power across Bass Strait with a gybe to favorable angle to the corner while your competition is on the wrong gybe. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jack_sparrow 7,464 #1950 Posted December 27, 2019 One quick post for insight. For first 2 dozen boats great day around 20k and increasing with only spoiler it backing left as the day wore on, now close to Nth. Pretty weird having 100 footers only around 4 hours in front and even weirder WOXI at the back. A collapsing front is moving through west to east with compression between the two systems pushing the breeze up getting closer to the corner. Currently gusting 40k+ NNE at Tasman Is. That weak front should go through Tasman Is after daybreak ahead of a light northerly in Storm Bay followed by a fresh SW change late morning. Looks as though the skinny boats will be taking time out of Comanche this morning on approach to the Pot so the Indians delta at the corner will probably be the decider. My guess it will be too big with BJ #2 second year in a row. My other guess is Tattersalls looks good for Ichi as that southerly and lighter conditions on east coast will slow those down behind except back markers. Alive in with a chance for the rare double of 2 years running if the Derwent comes into play late late tomorrow to hold Ichi out . Out. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woahboy 215 #1951 Posted December 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, LionessRacing said: Progressing the tracker, the Wind will carry Commanche in a building breeze to the corner and then nicely across Storm bay. Unless there's a major deviation from forecast (and it's been surprisingly predictive for the last 30 hrs) or a breakdown, this is all over but the fanboy bleating. Nicely done. Setup to take a careful start, run away building separation to the East, finesses the transistions and then pure power across Bass Strait with a gybe to favorable angle to the corner while your competition is on the wrong gybe. Stan’s the man. As well as the rest of the crew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1952 Posted December 27, 2019 Info Track should gybe in about 15 min and the others about an hour. Meanwhile Commanche is sailing 100% VMG for the corner while they make their Easting with only ~34% VMG (sin of 20 degrees, BTW = 230, they are on 160 COG) or 14 nm an hour delta Look for a time difference at corner of about 90 min to WOXI, perhaps an hour for Infotrack Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dolphinmaster 83 #1953 Posted December 27, 2019 The Aussies must be fighting the hour and the hops, ...... Info flopped over headed to the corner :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,199 #1954 Posted December 27, 2019 Injun extending away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dolphinmaster 83 #1955 Posted December 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: Injun extending away. 20 miles on Info and 30+ on the others, will it be enough? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,199 #1956 Posted December 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, dolphinmaster said: will it be enough? Barring unforeseen wind holes they should be cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cristoforo 344 #1957 Posted December 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Redreuben said: The ABC described the super maxi battle as a game of cat and mouse. I would have thought cowboys and Indians a closer analogy. Not really. The Indians always lost in the end. Sometimes the second mouse will get the cheese. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieB 1,057 #1958 Posted December 27, 2019 11 hours ago, r22tahoe said: "Standby to tack" "Ok helm's down." Note that the bow has already come up a few degrees, as evidenced by the spectator boat and the aft edge of Infotrack's main. All boats are moving, but the wheel position does NOT. Look at the spokes between shots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1959 Posted December 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, RobbieB said: All boats are moving, but the wheel position does NOT. Look at the spokes between shots. This is why if you are as simply fast as Commanche, you let the sports joust in the harbor, and then go power to the win. No reason to hit the line and duel with Witty, Richo and a pack of TP52's that are built for buoy racing. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodega87 62 #1960 Posted December 27, 2019 Indian hauling the mail at 30kts and wild oats eating their rooster tail at 17. 30 miles back and growing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 968 #1961 Posted December 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, LionessRacing said: This is why if you are as simply fast as Commanche, you let the sports joust in the harbor, and then go power to the win. No reason to hit the line and duel with Witty, Richo and a pack of TP52's that are built for buoy racing. I was thinking the same when they got that late start... Someone said they shanked it, but I think it was intentional... Sail the start casually, stay clear of trouble and drama, and then go to plaid once the course opens up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1962 Posted December 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, bodega87 said: Indian hauling the mail at 30kts and wild oats eating their rooster tail at 17, now 30 miles back and growing. FIFY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1963 Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Your Mom said: I was thinking the same when they got that late start... Someone said they shanked it, but I think it was intentional... Sail the start casually, stay clear of trouble and drama, and then go to plaid once the course opens up. One does have to admire Scally's tactical move, if only for the drama of it. No doubt he's going to be able to enjoy that video from WOXI for a long time. Almost as elegant as Libby threading the islands in the VOR and nailing their gybe. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raked Aft\\ 105 #1964 Posted December 27, 2019 any live finish links ? thx... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 443 #1965 Posted December 27, 2019 55 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: Barring unforeseen wind holes they should be cool. How about the Forseen wind holes? Looks like sub 8 knots in the Derwent in about 3 hours 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paps49 371 #1966 Posted December 27, 2019 22m ahead with 64m to go, she's got this, Shirley, good night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionessRacing 535 #1967 Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, jackolantern said: How about the Forseen wind holes? Looks like sub 8 knots in the Derwent in about 3 hours With WOXI et al ~2hrs behind at Tasman Is. in 3 hrs Comanche will still be Over an hour ahead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieB 1,057 #1968 Posted December 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, LionessRacing said: This is why if you are as simply fast as Commanche, you let the sports joust in the harbor, and then go power to the win. No reason to hit the line and duel with Witty, Richo and a pack of TP52's that are built for buoy racing. Ricoh. Is that the "mouth" on WOXI? God, that guy goes on.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grande Mastere Dreade 2,024 #1969 Posted December 27, 2019 it seems to be over except the whining.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grande Mastere Dreade 2,024 #1970 Posted December 27, 2019 only three boats of the race so far, is that a possible record? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,690 #1971 Posted December 27, 2019 Sure hope info track hang on for second. They had a great start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grande Mastere Dreade 2,024 #1972 Posted December 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Varan said: Sure hope info track hang on for second. They had a great start. interesting fight for third... would be nice for some drone action about now.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grande Mastere Dreade 2,024 #1973 Posted December 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said: interesting fight for third... would be nice for some drone action about now.. nevermind, 3am there... lol .. i'm sure the crews would love drones with spotlights on them... no wonder it's so quiet on this thread.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stinky 94 #1974 Posted December 27, 2019 Anyone know when the 7 TV finish coverage will start? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Irish River 136 #1975 Posted December 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, stinky said: Anyone know when the 7 TV finish coverage will start? Yes, when WO is near finish line. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forss 227 #1976 Posted December 27, 2019 Comanche is still looking good https://gis.ee/sh/ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grande Mastere Dreade 2,024 #1977 Posted December 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, stinky said: Anyone know when the 7 TV finish coverage will start? i didn't see any links on their website.. post it if you find one... i'm vpn'ing in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forss 227 #1978 Posted December 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said: i didn't see any links on their website.. post it if you find one... i'm vpn'ing in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueVM-6PuHr0 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grande Mastere Dreade 2,024 #1979 Posted December 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, forss said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueVM-6PuHr0 thanks for that, but they might want to head down a little earlier than 3 hours.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,690 #1980 Posted December 27, 2019 And the compression begins. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,702 #1981 Posted December 27, 2019 Oh to see WOXI come in last of 100 footers!! 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,199 #1983 Posted December 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, mad said: Oh to see WOXI come in last of 100 footers!! 5th is a good result..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,690 #1984 Posted December 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: 5th is a good result..... Yea, it would be better if Alive passed them too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grande Mastere Dreade 2,024 #1985 Posted December 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: 5th is a good result..... i'd love to see the action going on, on Scally, BJ, & WO... right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,199 #1986 Posted December 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said: i'd love to see the action going on, on Scally, BJ, & WO... right now Yeah would be interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greyhound37 72 #1987 Posted December 27, 2019 I would not be surprised to see WO finish 3rd. Certainly within reach. Is she a good light air boat now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,702 #1988 Posted December 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: 5th is a good result..... Superb result........ out of 5 boats and the biggest budget! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,690 #1989 Posted December 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said: i'd love to see the action going on, on Scally, BJ, & WO... right now On WO, it is going like this... SHIT, give me more twist in the FUCKING main... GODDAMNIT... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sledracr 551 #1990 Posted December 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Greyhound37 said: Is she a good light air boat now? Certainly a lot less draggy than she was before the latest appendage changes.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast Laser 10 #1991 Posted December 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: 5th is a good result..... 5th out of five 100 footers....nice! Only thing worse is finishing 2nd in a class by yourself 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
