Sydney to Hobart 2019

[SPORTSCAR 410]

33 minutes ago, mad said:

Well that’s just living proof that some dickheads will buy anything without tasting it. 

Fucking vile stuff!! 

Pretty much in line with everything else the Soap Dodgers eat and drink.

[PIL66 - XL2 639]

11 hours ago, DtM said:

What Hoppy doesn't know is that I just won Lotto and great as 66 is we will have a true weapon to beat the shit out of him.  Shhhhhh.

Maybe I should up the bet. 

I sold 66... I now own XL2

[SCANAS 341]

3 minutes ago, PIL66 said:

I sold 66... I now own XL2

Congrats. 

[jack_sparrow 5,012]

Wow I didn't know Japanese subs operated that far south and in Bass Strait in WWII. Lucky the first S2H was a couple of months after the war ended. Maybe not a sub but a Sunfish??

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-23/ss-iron-crown-wwii-freighter-shipwreck-found-off-victorian-coast/11037402

[Couta 308]

1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Wow I didn't know Japanese subs operated that far south and in Bass Strait in WWII. Lucky the first S2H was a couple of months after the war ended. Maybe not a sub but a Sunfish??

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-23/ss-iron-crown-wwii-freighter-shipwreck-found-off-victorian-coast/11037402

The Maritime archaeologist at Heritage Victoria - Peter Harvey - is an old school/Uni mate of mine...we caught up for a beer at this year's FOS at Geelong where we were talking about the number of japanese submarines & German raiders operating in Bass Straight in WW2. There were mines being laid everywhere!! Wilsons Prom was covered in them...and as the article quotes...most people didn't find out about it until after the war.

[lydia 323]

So if you launch a drone and crash it or lose it are you DSQ for pollution with plastics?

Just saying.

No doubt the Entry will require all drone footage to vest in the OA.

[lydia 323]

And don't stream the Gopro footage your sinking or death live without prior approval.

What a fucking joke.

All about getting media you don't have to pay for.

And how is the entry fee!

$2350 for me ($4.00 a mile almost)

[Se7en 60]

43 minutes ago, Couta said:

The Maritime archaeologist at Heritage Victoria - Peter Harvey - is an old school/Uni mate of mine...we caught up for a beer at this year's FOS at Geelong where we were talking about the number of japanese submarines & German raiders operating in Bass Straight in WW2. There were mines being laid everywhere!! Wilsons Prom was covered in them...and as the article quotes...most people didn't find out about it until after the war.

Ah.. Cambridge and City of Rayville were both sunk early in the War (1940) by mines in Bass Strait.

City of Rayville was the first American ship sunk in WW2, and quite well known. So I suspect that people had some idea that there were mines laid by the Germans...

[LionIsland 70]

Interesting enough ”front page” article written by “anarchist David” on the use of, compliance with rules and ethics etc of drone use in boat racing. 

David, small point, I know, but may I put it to you that there’s a pretty good chance that a drone operator may, in fact,  buy several batteries to avoid flytime downtime while waiting for a battery recharge. 

[hoppy 616]

23 minutes ago, LionIsland said:

Interesting enough ”front page” article written by “anarchist David” on the use of, compliance with rules and ethics etc of drone use in boat racing. 

David, small point, I know, but may I put it to you that there’s a pretty good chance that a drone operator may, in fact,  buy several batteries to avoid flytime downtime while waiting for a battery recharge. 

He also forgets that the drones will be subject to CASA rules. He also forgets or doesn't understand that the average drones have camera's with a very wide FOV. As for the tack/sails etc. I'm sure that can be figured out with a good set of binoculars.

I suspect that the updates to the SI's for drones will be about taking a leaf out of the VOR book and having a OBR on some maxis. About time.

[Zonker 913]

 15.7. A boat may during its race use a drone flown from and recovered by the boat in accordance with the Sailing Instructions.

Drones with IR cameras to figure out where the other guy is at night

Sneak up on the other guy's drone and give them a little flick with your drone?

Drop a piece of dyneema fishing line into their propellers from above?

Jam the other guy's drone signal; thus everybody has to go to ultra thin control wires like an anti tank missile uses?

Well-armed drones - it's the future of sailing!

 

 

[jack_sparrow 5,012]

7 hours ago, hoppy said:

He also forgets that the drones will be subject to CASA rules. He also forget..

You forget you have watched his drone footage :-)

[lydia 323]

So will you get a "drone factor" on your IRC ct.

Launch a big drone from the foredeck of a 100 FOOTER.

[MRS OCTOPUS 32]

35 minutes ago, lydia said:

So will you get a "drone factor" on your IRC ct.

Launch a big drone from the foredeck of a 100 FOOTER.

Store your  very large ,very heavy  drone down low , and  when the wind turns light and you no longer need the righting moment , send  your ballast? err I mean Drone /helicopter off for a fly .

Now what would MR do??

[Zonker 913]

Heck, big shame if your heavy drone runs out of power and sinks in light wind.

[lydia 323]

1 hour ago, MRS OCTOPUS said:

Store your  very large ,very heavy  drone down low , and  when the wind turns light and you no longer need the righting moment , send  your ballast? err I mean Drone /helicopter off for a fly .

Now what would MR do??

Say the cat ate the declaration maybe!

[hoppy 616]

2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

You forget you have watched his drone footage :-)

but I have watched my own...

 

 

[LionIsland 70]

10 hours ago, hoppy said:

He also forgets that the drones will be subject to CASA rules.

Not sure what current Casa rules one breaks offshore unless flying over or near a competitor’s boat. 

But it’d be really really crappo to get it tangled up with a chopper or plane or a military fighter doing a low pass at Mach 3 which they often do around here. Not much warning with those things  

Mind you, even flying from one’s own boat (unless solo) you’d probably be breaking “flying close to people” rules.

Gawd knows they’re hard to launch and retrieve from boats at sea and if you’re crew member gets whacked on the head with one they’d know about it (or maybe not).

Bloody amazing tech. What about the footage from them in the last Volvo!

All sorts of uses. Possibly useful for MOB safety. 

[LionIsland 70]

1 hour ago, Zonker said:

Heck, big shame if your heavy drone runs out of power and sinks in light wind.

Like the discontinued GoPro ones. 

Fark!

“Hey! Lets make a drone like a mini Sherman Tank,”

[hoppy 616]

2 minutes ago, LionIsland said:

Not sure what current Casa rules one breaks offshore unless flying over or near a competitor’s boat. 

But it’d be really really crappo to get it tangled up with a chopper or plane or a military fighter doing a low pass at Mach 3 which they often do around here. Not much warning with those things  

Mind you, even flying from one’s own boat (unless solo) you’d probably be breaking “flying close to people” rules.

Gawd knows they’re hard to launch and retrieve from boats at sea and if you’re crew member gets whacked on the head with one they’d know about it (or maybe not).

Bloody amazing tech. What about the footage from them in the last Volvo!

All sorts of uses. Possibly useful for MOB safety. 

There is still a height restriction and given that the media likes to fly out to film the boats, CASA will not be happy is anyone breaks those rules. Also there is a huge no fly zone off Nowra.  

 

 

 

[hoppy 616]

14 minutes ago, LionIsland said:

All sorts of uses. Possibly useful for MOB safety. 

I think I read that when Scally lost Fish the OBR sent up the drone just in case it could spot him. With standard drone cameras it's mostly luck to spot a MOB. 

[trt131 37]

One of the CASA rules for drones is that you cant fly over a sporting event.

[Curious 398]

13 hours ago, Zonker said:

 15.7. A boat may during its race use a drone flown from and recovered by the boat in accordance with the Sailing Instructions.

Drones with IR cameras to figure out where the other guy is at night

Sneak up on the other guy's drone and give them a little flick with your drone?

Drop a piece of dyneema fishing line into their propellers from above?

Jam the other guy's drone signal; thus everybody has to go to ultra thin control wires like an anti tank missile uses?

Well-armed drones - it's the future of sailing!

 

 

What about a few seriously long range drones fitted with wind instruments and current sensors, fanned out in front of the boat and sending back data about shifts?

Many will think the extra cost and complication is irrelevant, since the Hobart and Australian ocean racing in general is already sinking under the weight of its disregard for grass roots sailing.

[Jethrow 57]

How about finishing? If the drone is considered a legitimate piece of the boats equipment, operating in it's normal position ahead of the boat, can it be flown further ahead to cross the finish?

"Finish, A boat finishes when any part of her hull, or crew or equipment in normal position, crosses the finishing line from the course side"

[mad 2,565]

14 hours ago, Zonker said:

 15.7. A boat may during its race use a drone flown from and recovered by the boat in accordance with the Sailing Instructions.

Drones with IR cameras to figure out where the other guy is at night

Sneak up on the other guy's drone and give them a little flick with your drone?

Drop a piece of dyneema fishing line into their propellers from above?

Jam the other guy's drone signal; thus everybody has to go to ultra thin control wires like an anti tank missile uses?

Well-armed drones - it's the future of sailing!

 

 

[jack_sparrow 5,012]

Drones are the new black it seems as Richo has convinced the world that micro waves fry everything electronic. If you see a TV van in your street in the morning, catch the bus to work, your car won't start.

[bayboy 27]

Any news on Comache, noticed Maserati has been entered....

[duncan (the other one) 582]

On 4/23/2019 at 4:22 PM, jack_sparrow said:

Wow I didn't know Japanese subs operated that far south and in Bass Strait in WWII. Lucky the first S2H was a couple of months after the war ended. Maybe not a sub but a Sunfish??

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-23/ss-iron-crown-wwii-freighter-shipwreck-found-off-victorian-coast/11037402

Jap Sub I25 launched a reconnaissance plane to Hobart from behind Freycinet. https://www.ozatwar.com/japrecce/recce05.htm

 

[jack_sparrow 5,012]

@duncan (the other one) all but Victoria and Tasmania I was aware of. No idea about those two.

https://www.ozatwar.com/japrecce/japrecce.htm

Imagine if the people of Melbourne and Hobart found out about that then. Their options to run, not be occupied were pretty slim. Antarctica?

[duncan (the other one) 582]

Don't forget the odd das Boot..

[jack_sparrow 5,012]

They were close to the end of the war. Would have thought they had more pressing problems back home. Maybe result of some arrangement to help their far flung Axis buddy out on disrupting the Aust/US supply chain.

[ALL@SEA 83]

1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

@duncan (the other one) all but Victoria and Tasmania I was aware of. No idea about those two.

https://www.ozatwar.com/japrecce/japrecce.htm

Imagine if the people of Melbourne and Hobart found out about that then. Their options to run, not be occupied were pretty slim. Antarctica?

Pretty sure I remember my grandpa saying that there were flights over Hobart and Melbourne during the war. He was involved in radio comms of some description. One of the many stories I'd love to have heard as an adult. He's long gone now, luckily we did manage to save a few of his stories on (now converted to digital) cassette! It was a different world WW11 and before!

[jack_sparrow 5,012]

3 hours ago, bayboy said:

Any news on Comache, noticed Maserati has been entered....

My guess she won't be coming home from the Transpac and will be sold in the US if a deal not already close to complete. Maybe propagated by his appetite for racing to WOXI S2H 100' rules two years in a row has diminished his 100' appetite. Pil would know more than me though.

[SCANAS 341]

3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

My guess she won't be coming home from the Transpac and will be sold in the US if a deal not already close to complete. Maybe propagated by his appetite for racing to WOXI S2H 100' rules two years in a row has diminished his 100' appetite. Pil would know more than me though.

Made Sandy an offer he can’t refuse maybe?

With BJ getting chopped certainly keep the 100’ race alive if C stays OS. 

Given JC’s seemingly bottomless pockets & his phobia of selling boats, he should race it overseas & collect some more trophies. 

[jack_sparrow 5,012]

2 hours ago, SCANAS said:

Made Sandy an offer he can’t refuse maybe?

That guy is a cockwarbler and spending money never earned.

[PIL66 - XL2 639]

On 5/10/2019 at 5:41 PM, jack_sparrow said:

My guess she won't be coming home from the Transpac and will be sold in the US if a deal not already close to complete. Maybe propagated by his appetite for racing to WOXI S2H 100' rules two years in a row has diminished his 100' appetite. Pil would know more than me though.

The big C will be there on boxing day AFAIK ......   No one has the inside scoop with Jim..... he can keep a secret even from the inner circle... unlike some

[lydia 323]

This has come up on the Gladstone thread but what is the longest it has taken anyone to get from Tasman to the Finish.

[Curious 398]

Was it Wayfarer in the first race? I think they were the boat that stopped off at Flinders to shoot rabbits.

[TUBBY 96]

2 hours ago, lydia said:

This has come up on the Gladstone thread but what is the longest it has taken anyone to get from Tasman to the Finish.

No idea of a record being kept, probably well over a day,  might even be a couple of days if it was quiet in the bay.

My personal best(?) is just over 6 hour from the John Garrow Light in Sandy Bay to the finish.  We past that bloody light 7 times,  the first one at over 6 knots, the rest much slower in either direction.  This was in a Maria Island Race back in the 80s.

[lydia 323]

Recent winner would be Teasing Machine a few years ago.

[Recidivist 303]

Sorry to drag the thread back to drones, but many years ago I was doing a spot of work in Whyalla - needed to hitch a ride back to Adelaide for the Lincoln race starting that evening.  I was lucky enough to get a ride in a Cessna, and as we flew across St Vincent Gulf it was obvious it was glass all over.  I mentioned to the pilot/owner what my interest was, and he was kind enough to fly to the south of the gulf so I could see what the wind was doing down there.

End result was that I stepped on board, advised the skipper what I had seen, and we hugged the eastern coast all the way until the bottom of the gulf, crossing where there was some wind. The rest of the fleet languished in the middle of the windless gulf 30 miles back, and we won by about a week!

Think about drone technology in this situation ... it will be like the tuna spotters!

[mad 2,565]

On 3/28/2019 at 12:23 PM, Andrew Buckland said:

Jack, you got it.

But with rudder foils, so it actually gets some 95% to 100% separation.

Not aiming for height though, kinda skimming with (say) less than 1m height at vmax in flat water.

We neglected to send out rudder foil pics so attached is V1 pressure distribution and foil geometry.

Anyhow, all sensible ? answered here!

Cheers

AB

Bump, any news on the project? 

[Sugarscoop 45]

Leopard 3 sold to new owner. I wonder if she will come and do the 75th Hobart. 

Also any rumours of Rambler 88 coming out again?

[Gorn FRANTIC!! 258]

On 5/19/2019 at 10:03 PM, mad said:

Bump, any news on the project? 

Not happening for this year's Hobart. Looking at potentially at building a smaller one to test proof of concept.

[SloopJohnB 143]

On 5/23/2019 at 1:29 PM, Sugarscoop said:

Also any rumours of Rambler 88 coming out again?

Crikey I known someone will be busy as bowman on a 100 aswell.

[Gweudo in oz 7]

On 4/17/2019 at 9:45 PM, hoppy said:

Wow, that was me when I was 16. Didn't drink the stuff until I did a Coffs race about ten years later and you could only buy it in glasses or buckets! Don't remember much of that year either!

[Checked 7]

2 handed division in 2020...

[bayboy 27]

On 5/23/2019 at 11:29 AM, Sugarscoop said:

Leopard 3 sold to new owner. I wonder if she will come and do the 75th Hobart. 

Also any rumours of Rambler 88 coming out again?

Bit disappointing to see only 100 entries, expecedt 150 for this year but costs have a lot to do with it...

[hoppy 616]

1 hour ago, bayboy said:

Bit disappointing to see only 100 entries, expecedt 150 for this year but costs have a lot to do with it...

still 162 days to the race and more than 3 months until entries close. Plenty of time for many more entries. 

[mad 2,565]

24 minutes ago, hoppy said:

still 162 days to the race and more than 3 months until entries close. Plenty of time for many more entries. 

and time for you to buy a boat. 

[jack_sparrow 5,012]

4 hours ago, bayboy said:

Bit disappointing to see only 100 entries, expecedt 150 for this year but costs have a lot to do with it...

 

2 hours ago, hoppy said:

still 162 days to the race and more than 3 months until entries close. Plenty of time for many more entries. 

 

Numbers seem on track.

 

 

[hoppy 616]

8 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

 

 

Numbers seem on track.

 

 

I'm sure if you went through the list of entries there will be a few obvious entries missing, WOIX and probably WOX for starters. So on track...

It will be interesting to see if R88 comes. With Scally doing Fastnet and the middle sea (I think) I would not be surprised if R88 hitches a ride on the ship.

 

 

[pulpit 119]

15 hours ago, bayboy said:

Bit disappointing to see only 100 entries, expecedt 150 for this year but costs have a lot to do with it...

 

14 hours ago, hoppy said:

still 162 days to the race and more than 3 months until entries close. Plenty of time for many more entries. 

 

14 hours ago, mad said:

and time for you to buy a boat. 

Mad,

To quote the castle “ Tell him he’s dreaming” hoppy will not have a big boat again until he grows a set.

 

pulpit

[Sugarscoop 45]

Has Comanche sold? And if so is it coming back for the Hobart?

 

I see Caro is coming and they are in the same race at the moment.

 

Jim Cooney has entered Maserati (volvo 70) for this years hobart........

 

[lydia 323]

See some seppo  has entered a schock 40

Least they have the name right

”gamble” 

hoppy there is one in qld for sale, off you go!

[hoppy 616]

49 minutes ago, lydia said:

See some seppo  has entered a schock 40

 Least they have the name right

”gamble” 

hoppy there is one in qld for sale, off you go!

impressive esky

 

[bayboy 27]

On 5/13/2019 at 8:26 AM, lydia said:

This has come up on the Gladstone thread but what is the longest it has taken anyone to get from Tasman to the Finish.

Not sure of the slowest but I reckon Alive had one of the fastest finishes last year tore up the river...

[PIL66 - XL2 639]

On 7/18/2019 at 5:06 PM, Sugarscoop said:

Has Comanche sold? And if so is it coming back for the Hobart?

 

I see Caro is coming and they are in the same race at the moment.

 

Jim Cooney has entered Maserati (volvo 70) for this years hobart........

 

Comanche is not on the market... It will enter .... I'm thinking in the two handed div.

Yes Maserati is going

[shaggybaxter 700]

Fusion is going on the market if anyone is looking for a pearler of a boat for the two handed division . 

[PIL66 - XL2 639]

12 hours ago, shaggybaxter said:

Fusion is going on the market if anyone is looking for a pearler of a boat for the two handed division . 

Hoppy's in the market

[DtM 312]

Have to deliver it to Melbourne.

Electric toilet?

[shaggybaxter 700]

31 minutes ago, DtM said:

Have to deliver it to Melbourne.

Electric toilet?

Curses. I knew I shoulda gone the bidet route.

 

[hoppy 616]

Comanche is well on the way home, passing Samoa ATM. So much for the sold to USA rumours...

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:1276827/zoom:10

 

No sign of Alive on AIS. Last position was from July 20th in Honolulu. Perhaps waiting for the delivery crew?

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:694124/mmsi:503011250/vessel:ALIVE

[view at the front 40]

We just had a reunion of our 1996 S/H crew from Di-Hard last week.  We had 8 of our crew of 10 together for Whidbey island Race Week, including our Australian "translator" in Oak Harbor, Washington for the series.  We were also invited to do the Sydney Harbor Series before S/H.  It was a magnificent experience that I was able to experience with my oldest son. I'm not sure that we truly know the awe of offshore racing in the USA. . . Boxing Day will never be the same.

[PIL66 - XL2 639]

Entered....... 

[ALL@SEA 83]

4 hours ago, PIL66 - XL2 said:

Entered....... 

XL2, Maserati, or Comanche?

[Checked 7]

14 minutes ago, ALL@SEA said:

XL2, Maserati, or Comanche?

Mas.

Multis next year.

Big C. ?

[jack_sparrow 5,012]

2 hours ago, Checked said:

Big C. ?

Already back in Oz.

[PIL66 - XL2 639]

Maserati

[terrafirma 485]

So if Comanche is in Oz already it's safe to assume it will enter. Not as if it isn't capable of winning the Hobart even with Oats and BJ. If the weather leans to the Big Indian this time she will win. Will be interesting to see how Black Jack goes and if Wild Oats has any more tricks up her sleeves? 

[PIL66 - XL2 639]

12 hours ago, terrafirma said:

So if Comanche is in Oz already it's safe to assume it will enter. Not as if it isn't capable of winning the Hobart even with Oats and BJ. If the weather leans to the Big Indian this time she will win. Will be interesting to see how Black Jack goes and if Wild Oats has any more tricks up her sleeves? 

Comanche will go

BJ will improve in areas where Oats have... and Oats will improve by controlling MR (and some mods but not sure what mods).

Scally.... very outside chance if others break...

It's all been said before.... C will win if there is consistent breeze... not sure on the other two..

One thing I do know... I don't go regularly but now that I am, it will blow stink on the nose.... Either way If I make the line, it will be my last...

[Sugarscoop 45]

finishing order in a heavy upwind? Infotrack got the legs? Its proven to be quick upwind exiting the harbour.

[PIL66 - XL2 639]

2 hours ago, Sugarscoop said:

finishing order in a heavy upwind? Infotrack got the legs? Its proven to be quick upwind exiting the harbour.

Heavy upwind = Comanche

[Jono 16]

Upwind. Take Brindabella. You'll even have time for a roast

[terrafirma 485]

8 hours ago, PIL66 - XL2 said:

Comanche will go

BJ will improve in areas where Oats have... and Oats will improve by controlling MR (and some mods but not sure what mods).

Scally.... very outside chance if others break...

It's all been said before.... C will win if there is consistent breeze... not sure on the other two..

One thing I do know... I don't go regularly but now that I am, it will blow stink on the nose.... Either way If I make the line, it will be my last...

MR getting into Politics after this Hobart.! Not sure who will control him when that happens?? 

[PIL66 - XL2 639]

On 8/16/2019 at 2:35 PM, Jono said:

Upwind. Take Brindabella. You'll even have time for a roast

I did mention it

[mad 2,565]

On 8/15/2019 at 11:14 PM, PIL66 - XL2 said:

Comanche will go

BJ will improve in areas where Oats have... and Oats will improve by controlling MR (and some mods but not sure what mods).

Scally.... very outside chance if others break...

It's all been said before.... C will win if there is consistent breeze... not sure on the other two..

One thing I do know... I don't go regularly but now that I am, it will blow stink on the nose.... Either way If I make the line, it will be my last...

How much are we betting on the ‘be my last’ part?  

[DtM 312]

It is usual to say that after the finish not before the start. 

And what about doing it on the XL2 ?

[PIL66 - XL2 639]

3 hours ago, mad said:

How much are we betting on the ‘be my last’ part?  

But I really mean it this time

1 hour ago, DtM said:

It is usual to say that after the finish not before the start. 

And what about doing it on the XL2 ?

The boat is totally capable but it's too stressful for me so won't happen

[DtM 312]

Are you doing Lock Crowther?

[inebriated 70]

wild oats is going to win it

we say the same shit every year but the outcome is always the same

with wild oats being the first to hobart

if wild oats breaks down again though, it's gonna be blackjack or Comanche

I can't imagine infotrack getting up

[inebriated 70]

on another note, will we ever see CQS again leaving the heads??

[mad 2,565]

18 minutes ago, inebriated said:

on another note, will we ever see CQS again leaving the heads??

Last heard of still languishing in the Med somewhere I think. 

[hoppy 616]

27 minutes ago, mad said:

Last heard of still languishing in the Med somewhere I think. 

Palma,  Majorca according to AIS 

[Navig8tor 437]

10 hours ago, mad said:

How much are we betting on the ‘be my last’ part?  

Once you go to sea its very hard to not....go to sea. Jus sayin

[mad 2,565]

1 hour ago, Navig8tor said:

Once you go to sea its very hard to not....go to sea. Jus sayin

Having a selective memory helps. 

[Navig8tor 437]

28 minutes ago, mad said:

Having a selective memory helps. 

That and a strong sadomasochist tendency.

After 5 days at sea getting the shit flogged out of you,  some wit says" Oh,  I see the wind has dropped from 55 knots to just on 50,  shall we shake a reef out?" 

[mad 2,565]

6 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

That and a strong sadomasochist tendency.

After 5 days at sea getting the shit flogged out of you,  some wit says" Oh,  I see the wind has dropped from 55 knots to just on 50,  shall we shake a reef out?" 

But at least you really feel like you’ve earned those 10 rums afterwards. 

[Jason AUS 155]

3 minutes ago, mad said:

But at least you really feel like you’ve earned those 10 rums afterwards. 

10 rums???? Lightweight...

 

The Talk It Up Cup entries don’t start until after the 12th or 13th rum.

[terrafirma 485]

33 minutes ago, mad said:

But at least you really feel like you’ve earned those 10 rums afterwards. 

+1 Arrgh..............! 

[PIL66 - XL2 639]