Dark Cloud 233 #601 Posted November 8, 2019 busted bulkhead at the chainplates looks like, luck not to lose the rig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 576 #602 Posted November 8, 2019 What have the conditions for the race been? Running north in 20-30 and on the nose back in 20-25? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skipper_nz 10 #603 Posted November 8, 2019 Plenty of time for a repair, there is 24hrs in a day 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 347 #604 Posted November 8, 2019 First headache will be getting it back to Sydney from Newcastle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splash 2 #605 Posted November 9, 2019 39 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: First headache will be getting it back to Sydney from Newcastle. Out the water there and straight to Maccas? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sugarscoop 50 #606 Posted November 9, 2019 crane the rig out onto the deck and motor back to sydney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason AUS 233 #607 Posted November 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: First headache will be getting it back to Sydney from Newcastle. Straight into the Forgacs dockyard at Newcastle? The boat’s grey, like a navy ship... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 607 #608 Posted November 9, 2019 3 hours ago, splash said: Out the water there and straight to Maccas? I think they'll be wanting to do a pretty thorough engineering analysis of the damage and the surrounding structures before they lift that boat anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 347 #609 Posted November 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Jason AUS said: Straight into the Forgacs dockyard at Newcastle? The boat’s grey, like a navy ship... The problem with getting her anywhere near a ship lift/travelift in Newcastle is how she draws. There was a crane at the grain terminal lifting the rig out this morning. I think it would be safe to lift the boat from the water using slings, single point lift might need further inspection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 648 #610 Posted November 9, 2019 6 hours ago, The Dark Knight said: What have the conditions for the race been? Running north in 20-30 and on the nose back in 20-25? Yeah was it caused by slamming or something else? I thought they were going downwind at the time? But I'm not sure? 24 Hour shifts coming up at Macca's for the "A" Team..! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 16 #611 Posted November 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Yeah was it caused by slamming or something else? I thought they were going downwind at the time? But I'm not sure? 24 Hour shifts coming up at Macca's for the "A" Team..! Let’s hope the boys on the floor aint in the court room like the management Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason AUS 233 #612 Posted November 9, 2019 7 hours ago, splash said: Out the water there and straight to Maccas? Medium Quarter Pounder meal and a caramel sundae, thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason AUS 233 #613 Posted November 9, 2019 2 hours ago, terrafirma said: Yeah was it caused by slamming or something else? I thought they were going downwind at the time? But I'm not sure? 24 Hour shifts coming up at Macca's for the "A" Team..! Look at the start video from the CY’s FaceSpace page. Going out through the sound on starboard gybe they dragged the end of the boom in the water. Not for too long, but.... at speed. Do that a couple of times in a nasty cross sea in 30 knots of air and at 25+ knots boatspeed, throw in a lay down or two and I can see that big ass rig wanting to go left while the hull and keel argue seriously to go right instead. I think they’re lucky that the boom drag didn’t convince the gooseneck that it didn’t have to put up with this shit, and the spar didn’t exit the program altogether. That’s a goddamned long boom, loads of sail area and a (metric) shitload of twisting force. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 648 #614 Posted November 9, 2019 From a mate on a retired boat. Asked him what happened.? "Fuck me just about everything..!! Starboard steering wheel smashed , motor jumped off engine mounts , blow up a few jiibs and kites and the thing that finished us off was a big delamination in the bow , water was pissing into the bow , that was time to go home Crazy crazy night of down wind sailing , completely sending it for 7 hours and then launching into big waves upwind until the bow failed Hobart very doubtful at this stage. Our damage is nothing compared to Wild Oats , they compressed the mast right through the hull , also doubtful for Hobart .. Big night out , they probably should not have sent us, gale force winds were a lot stronger than forecast . Good fun !! Very scary !! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 347 #615 Posted November 9, 2019 Which boat was that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pulpit 158 #616 Posted November 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: First headache will be getting it back to Sydney from Newcastle. 8 hours ago, splash said: Out the water there and straight to Maccas? Mate, Its not as easy as out of the water and straight to Maccas. To move over anything that big will take 7 days notice at best to the RTA and police for the first move as well as finding the truck to move it as well. I’m currently about to move a 60 foot fishing boat 4 kms and we can only move it on a Sunday because of its size and the regulations. Getting the boat Boat back to the water will be easier as you will have time to arrange the move. I would think that its its easier to move the boat from Newcastle than Sydney to Maccas. I’ve built a 47 foot boat in 16 weeks from start to finish to do the 50 Hobart as a new build. The problem is repairs can be far more intense than a new build. So it will be touch and go to make the starting line I think. Pulpit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skipper_nz 10 #617 Posted November 9, 2019 The Gooseneck on those boats is pretty good, single pin, so the boom pivots to where the load is, upwind obviously it is straight but downind it is angled between the leech of the main and the sheet so hitting the water is not as bad as if it were fixed Sounds like there were plenty of boats and people that haven't sailed in windy conditions for a long time. How is the hobart going to go in 50knots from any direction... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E Goat 217 #618 Posted November 9, 2019 If WOXI don't make the Hobart race what will they have to focus on in the Broadcast, mabye a webcam of the rebuild or just repeat last years 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 16 #619 Posted November 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bill E Goat said: If WOXI don't make the Hobart race what will they have to focus on in the Broadcast, mabye a webcam of the rebuild or just repeat last years Be still all about the Oats no fear about that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 576 #620 Posted November 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bill E Goat said: If WOXI don't make the Hobart race what will they have to focus on in the Broadcast, mabye a webcam of the rebuild or just repeat last years The CYCA will allow them to substitute in WOX to keep ch7 happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 400 #621 Posted November 9, 2019 CYCA announces new multihull division for Hobart with two competitor's, WOXII, recently chartered from a well known HK business man and Scallywag. Eligible for line honours trophy despite protest by leading super maxi owner. Multi hull division is not required to broadcast AIS. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 576 #622 Posted November 9, 2019 8 hours ago, SPORTSCAR said: I think they'll be wanting to do a pretty thorough engineering analysis of the damage and the surrounding structures before they lift that boat anywhere. 5 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: The problem with getting her anywhere near a ship lift/travelift in Newcastle is how she draws. There was a crane at the grain terminal lifting the rig out this morning. I think it would be safe to lift the boat from the water using slings, single point lift might need further inspection. Maybe they will just lift out the rig and motor to Sydney to get her to Mcconaghy's in the shortest time? Assuming it's not likely to go all One Australia... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 607 #623 Posted November 9, 2019 Apart from the 15 or so boats that chose not to start at all, this is a disturbing list for the future of offshore sailing in Australia. Looking like a finishing list of about HALF the entry list. Six weeks out from Hobart and we see Six (6) boats pulled the pin citing time contraints? Its a fucking ocean race FFS. Perhaps Time Constraints should be read as 'I was gonna get my arse handed to me on a plate so I have made a strategic withdrawal'? Sad. BTW congrats to my 19 year old son and the rest of his crew who finished a bit over an hour ago, well done for toughing it out. Good to see a bit of ticker. Arch Rival - retired - medical incident Carrera S - Retired - gear damage Dreki Sunnan - retired - hull damage Euphoria - Retired - time constraints Great Xpectations - Retired - medical incident Helsal 3 - Retired - steering damage Imagination - Retired - gear failure Infotrack - retired - gear damage Insomnia - Retired - time constraints King Billy - Retired - time constraints Kioni - Retired - mainsail damage Koa - Retired - hull damage Minerva - Retired - battery charging issue No Limit - Retired - sail damage Pekljus - Retired - time constraints Snowdome Occasional Coarse Language Too - Retired - time constraints Spirit of Freya - Retired - time constraints Sticky - Retired - sail damage Wild Oats XI - Retired - structural Damage Wings - Retired - steering damage Zen - Retired- gear damage 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 576 #624 Posted November 9, 2019 Check out Maverick blasting through the fleet (will start at 2:24) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 576 #625 Posted November 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said: Apart from the 15 or so boats that chose not to start, this is a disturbing list for the future of offshore sailing in Australia. Looking like a finishing list of about HALF the entry list. Six weeks out from Hobart and we see Six (6) boats pulled the pin citing time contraints? Its a fucking ocean race FFS. Perhaps Time Constraints should be read as 'I was gonna get my arse handed to me on a plate so I have made a strategic withdrawal'? Sad. BTW congrats to my 19 year old son and the rest of his crew who finished a bit over an hour ago, well done for toughing it out. Good to see a bit of ticker. Arch Rival - retired - medical incident Carrera S - Retired - gear damage Dreki Sunnan - retired - hull damage Euphoria - Retired - time constraints Great Xpectations - Retired - medical incident Helsal 3 - Retired - steering damage Imagination - Retired - gear failure Infotrack - retired - gear damage Insomnia - Retired - time constraints King Billy - Retired - time constraints Kioni - Retired - mainsail damage Koa - Retired - hull damage Minerva - Retired - battery charging issue No Limit - Retired - sail damage Pekljus - Retired - time constraints Snowdome Occasional Coarse Language Too - Retired - time constraints Spirit of Freya - Retired - time constraints Sticky - Retired - sail damage Wild Oats XI - Retired - structural Damage Wings - Retired - steering damage Zen - Retired- gear damage I just read your post and "time constraints", I thought it must be Sunday night. WTF If it was a drifter with no wind forecast for the next 24 hours, then maybe retiring to a Saturday night session in a Newcastle pub could be a valid "time constraints" Saturday retirement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 648 #626 Posted November 9, 2019 Time constraints is a bullshit answer. Should read was going to be too windy and rough . I don't have a problem with that given the damage that was sustained to some of the boats. Best not going. Hobart Race would have been the same if conditions were the same, worse most likely with extended beating. Where is the phrase "Managed Boat" for not completing a race? You don't have to tough it out if you don't want IMO? Too many lives have been lost so if you think your boat and crew aren't up to it, "Managed Boat due to conditions" or something like that. This will be a cause for debate no doubt.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 648 #627 Posted November 9, 2019 50 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said: Check out Maverick blasting through the fleet (will start at 2:24) How did Gweilo get so far ahead of Maverick? Upwind obviously? Maverick were smoking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 607 #628 Posted November 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Time constraints is a bullshit answer. Should read was going to be too windy and rough . I don't have a problem with that given the damage that was sustained to some of the boats. Best not going. Hobart Race would have been the same if conditions were the same, worse most likely with extended beating. Where is the phrase "Managed Boat" for not completing a race? You don't have to tough it out if you don't want IMO? Too many lives have been lost so if you think your boat and crew aren't up to it, "Managed Boat due to conditions" or something like that. This will be a cause for debate no doubt.. 16 or so boats did make the choice not to start the race given the conditions. No problem with that, prudent seamanship or a recognition of crews / boats ability to handle what was pretty nasty at the time is commendable. Not too windy and rough when most of the so-called 'time constraints' boats pulled out - the back end of the race has been much lighter. No patience to hang in in those conditions? Time constraints x 6 = Bullshit and shows a lack of respect for fellow competitors and race management. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 669 #629 Posted November 9, 2019 16 hours ago, The Dark Knight said: What have the conditions for the race been? Running north in 20-30 and on the nose back in 20-25? We saw solid 30's for a while around midnight. Peaks of high 30's. Calibration may vary, but a planing S&S suggests otherwise. Very confused sea coming back off Stockton. Not surprised lots of damage. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 380 #630 Posted November 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said: We saw solid 30's for a while around midnight. Peaks of high 30's. Calibration may vary, but a planing S&S suggests otherwise. Very confused sea coming back off Stockton. Not surprised lots of damage. What the hell S&S did you make plane??? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Bo_Tangles 12 #631 Posted November 9, 2019 'Big night out , they probably should not have sent us, gale force winds were a lot stronger than forecast ' RRS 4- Decision to race... Respect to those who found it prudent to remain ashore. I'm sure a night on the piss (even at sydney prices) is probably still cheaper than some of the repair bills.. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monosailor 18 #632 Posted November 9, 2019 11 hours ago, terrafirma said: From a mate on a retired boat. Asked him what happened.? "Fuck me just about everything..!! Starboard steering wheel smashed , motor jumped off engine mounts , blow up a few jiibs and kites and the thing that finished us off was a big delamination in the bow , water was pissing into the bow , that was time to go home Crazy crazy night of down wind sailing , completely sending it for 7 hours and then launching into big waves upwind until the bow failed Hobart very doubtful at this stage. Our damage is nothing compared to Wild Oats , they compressed the mast right through the hull , also doubtful for Hobart .. Big night out , they probably should not have sent us, gale force winds were a lot stronger than forecast . Good fun !! Very scary !! This would have to be Koa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lydia 573 #633 Posted November 9, 2019 Sounds like this did a whole heap of people a big favour and we are well due for one 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barman 3 #634 Posted November 9, 2019 Strut compressed side of mast. Very hard reaching, they just did a sail change. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 16 #635 Posted November 9, 2019 Aha that would do it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splash 2 #636 Posted November 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, Barman said: Strut compressed side of mast. Very hard reaching, they just did a sail change. Makes sense. I’ve always worried about the pressure on the mast on a boat half the size! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 380 #637 Posted November 9, 2019 So then that’s a new mast before Hobart or re-jiggering the 2005 one to fit the boat? Assuming you can fix the structural problems... which from the photo looks like a sheared mast bulkhead... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rumpig 24 #638 Posted November 9, 2019 Oatleys have plenty of money. They will be able to move the boat whenever they want Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 347 #639 Posted November 9, 2019 2 hours ago, monosailor said: This would have to be Koa Well...That's not a good list of things for a boat which is on the market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 380 #640 Posted November 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Rumpig said: https://share.icloud.com/photos/0QXVHhp-nusy6xKZlnkSyOA7A#Green_Point_Reserve No Limit Friday arvo That is unbelievably bad. Wow. What the fuck, blow the kite halyard buddy. edit: based on the fact that the kite looked properly letterboxed before things went sideways looks like maybe a halyard lock malfunction. In which case seems like a case study on needing to keep up on your maintenance. couta, were you in charge of lock maintenance? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorn FRANTIC!! 347 #641 Posted November 9, 2019 More than likely the halyard was on a lock that wasn't releasing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason AUS 233 #643 Posted November 9, 2019 35 minutes ago, jackolantern said: That is unbelievably bad. Wow. What the fuck, blow the kite halyard buddy. edit: based on the fact that the kite looked properly letterboxed before things went sideways looks like maybe a halyard lock malfunction. In which case seems like a case study on needing to keep up on your maintenance. couta, were you in charge of lock maintenance? That kite was properly under control before the gybe. Not coming down, but in control. Whoever called the gybe instead of heading up should be eased from the program. Heating up may have caused the same result, but you have more runway to solve the problem. That gybe removed options A through Q and leaves you with R - Run Aground. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 576 #644 Posted November 9, 2019 9 hours ago, SPORTSCAR said: 16 or so boats did make the choice not to start the race given the conditions. No problem with that, prudent seamanship or a recognition of crews / boats ability to handle what was pretty nasty at the time is commendable. Not too windy and rough when most of the so-called 'time constraints' boats pulled out - the back end of the race has been much lighter. No patience to hang in in those conditions? Time constraints x 6 = Bullshit and shows a lack of respect for fellow competitors and race management. maybe there is a fixed withdrawal reason list to select from and as the boats had no breakages or injuries, "time constraints" was the only option to choose from when updating the boats status? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 669 #645 Posted November 9, 2019 2 hours ago, lydia said: Sounds like this did a whole heap of people a big favour and we are well due for one True. Was gnarly, but not 'gnarly Hobart' gnarly. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 576 #646 Posted November 9, 2019 7 hours ago, duncan (the other one) said: We saw solid 30's for a while around midnight. Peaks of high 30's. Calibration may vary, but a planing S&S suggests otherwise. Very confused sea coming back off Stockton. Not surprised lots of damage. so more a sea state issue than the wind itself? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 669 #647 Posted November 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said: so more a sea state issue than the wind itself? yup. Sea was not big (limited fetch and time), but there was a large patch of wind against set on the upper third of the racetrack. Short and confused. Easy to lose it going downwind, and messy punching back into it upwind. No reason people should break boats, but I'm not surprised there were a lot of crook people about. I suspect the other part is a having it escalate in the middle of the night while you're whooping and hollering in 25+ downwind. Its not easy reducing sail in those conditions. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 669 #648 Posted November 9, 2019 7 hours ago, jackolantern said: What the hell S&S did you make plane??? of course I exaggerate.. extended surfs at 2.5x hull speed 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splash 2 #649 Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason AUS said: That kite was properly under control before the gybe. Not coming down, but in control. Whoever called the gybe instead of heading up should be eased from the program. Heating up may have caused the same result, but you have more runway to solve the problem. That gybe removed options A through Q and leaves you with R - Run Aground. It’s a point when you are realise you are truly fucked when you are trying to get the spinnaker out of a tree! Top points to the bloke in that canoodling couple sitting on the rocks. I’d say by the way his arms are clamped down there is every chance his fly is undone..... And then someone turns up with a camera to film a fucking yacht! Tough break buddy. Hope they left you alone shortly after. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 380 #650 Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, duncan (the other one) said: of course I exaggerate.. extended surfs at 2.5x hull speed Yeah even that. I’ve heard of a 48 foot S&S ketch hitting 13 and change. Ive gotten an S&S 12M to hit 12 and change.... but you’re talking the 15+ territory Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E Goat 217 #651 Posted November 10, 2019 Was wild and woolly at the start and some big sw-w shifts caught a few out. I would hate to know the loads on WOXI near south head with the kite up, wonder why they went for a kite and not a code. Reefed main and jibtop reaching up the coast then poled it out and a fun run. Bit of a confused seaway but hit 20.9 knots on one surf in about 32 knots of breeze. Plenty of high teen surfing got there in 9 hours in 10th place but the seaway coming back was not fun and with it kicking into 30+ knots even less so. Should have tacked inshore earlier but managed to tack on a layline to Newcastle, then the engine wasn't pumping water and batteries going down we decided that they wouldn't last the remaining 10+ hours it would take. Was interesting WOXI had 2 cranes and the mast out by 11am in Newcastle. Burger at the yacht club then train home with a few quiet travelers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 669 #652 Posted November 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, jackolantern said: Yeah even that. I’ve heard of a 48 foot S&S ketch hitting 13 and change. Ive gotten an S&S 12M to hit 12 and change.... but you’re talking the 15+ territory 19.3 peak in that race. Lots of 14-15s. SS34 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crafty_otter 3 #653 Posted November 10, 2019 13 hours ago, SPORTSCAR said: Apart from the 15 or so boats that chose not to start at all, this is a disturbing list for the future of offshore sailing in Australia. Looking like a finishing list of about HALF the entry list. Six weeks out from Hobart and we see Six (6) boats pulled the pin citing time contraints? Its a fucking ocean race FFS. Perhaps Time Constraints should be read as 'I was gonna get my arse handed to me on a plate so I have made a strategic withdrawal'? Sad. BTW congrats to my 19 year old son and the rest of his crew who finished a bit over an hour ago, well done for toughing it out. Good to see a bit of ticker. Arch Rival - retired - medical incident Carrera S - Retired - gear damage Dreki Sunnan - retired - hull damage Euphoria - Retired - time constraints Great Xpectations - Retired - medical incident Helsal 3 - Retired - steering damage Imagination - Retired - gear failure Infotrack - retired - gear damage Insomnia - Retired - time constraints King Billy - Retired - time constraints Kioni - Retired - mainsail damage Koa - Retired - hull damage Minerva - Retired - battery charging issue No Limit - Retired - sail damage Pekljus - Retired - time constraints Snowdome Occasional Coarse Language Too - Retired - time constraints Spirit of Freya - Retired - time constraints Sticky - Retired - sail damage Wild Oats XI - Retired - structural Damage Wings - Retired - steering damage Zen - Retired- gear damage Well its was a WA boat they are quite used to those sort of conditions... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 648 #654 Posted November 10, 2019 Matt Allen decided not to take Ichi Ban as it was entered in the race. I wonder what the reasons were? Having said that Gweilo had a very good race and made it there and back in great time. Well crewed boat too. Wild Oats is the big one, a lot of damage to deal with. Sucks huge amounts of time out of their preparation and gives an advantage to Comanche and Black Jack etc. So very interesting few weeks coming up for Oats as they assess the full extent of the damage? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E Goat 217 #655 Posted November 10, 2019 Any idea what happened to Chinese Whisper, were in the start area but seemd to have trouble getting up the main Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 576 #656 Posted November 10, 2019 43 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Matt Allen decided not to take Ichi Ban as it was entered in the race. I wonder what the reasons were? Didn’t want to get the shit bashed out of them and risk damage in an unimportant race? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lydia 573 #658 Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, terrafirma said: Matt Allen decided not to take Ichi Ban as it was entered in the race. I wonder what the reasons were? Having said that Gweilo had a very good race and made it there and back in great time. Well crewed boat too. Wild Oats is the big one, a lot of damage to deal with. Sucks huge amounts of time out of their preparation and gives an advantage to Comanche and Black Jack etc. So very interesting few weeks coming up for Oats as they assess the full extent of the damage? And the point of a qualifying race is again ffs 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCARECROW 367 #659 Posted November 10, 2019 I wonder how long it will take the bookies to work out Wild oats may not be in the hobart. Might be worth an each way bet on Jack and the Big Indian. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 380 #660 Posted November 10, 2019 56 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said: Like a goddamn sensible person Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 648 #661 Posted November 10, 2019 37 minutes ago, SCARECROW said: I wonder how long it will take the bookies to work out Wild oats may not be in the hobart. Might be worth an each way bet on Jack and the Big Indian. I'm on it..! LOL No odds out yet so let's wait and see? Unless Oats come out with a statement in the next few days saying they're out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recidivist 423 #662 Posted November 10, 2019 Oats has to be considered unlikely for Hobart - that's a lot of damage to fix. It must have been frightening when everything went "BANG", loaded way the fuck up, big breeze and at night! To keep that mortally wounded rig in the air, get the boat back to shore and no injuries is testament to the professionalism of the crew - well done guys. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 607 #663 Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, crafty_otter said: Well its was a WA boat they are quite used to those sort of conditions... They also know when to take the foot off the accelerator. Driving boats to destruction is poor seamanship. Finishing 11th over the line in that fleet with just 6 Corinthian sailors on board is pretty bloody impressive, well done Jaffa’s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lydia 573 #664 Posted November 10, 2019 The “S” word the forgotten word 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason AUS 233 #665 Posted November 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, lydia said: The “S” word the forgotten word Spanking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lydia 573 #666 Posted November 10, 2019 That is harsher than me! any results posted for the finishers found them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lydia 573 #667 Posted November 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Rumpig said: How are they going to blame the sunfish for this one! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TUBBY 230 #668 Posted November 10, 2019 Think you will find that most of the boats sighting "time constraints" would have been truer saying FRUSTRATION. At the time they were dropping out we were taking 2 & a half hours to get up the harbour to the finish after spending about the same amount of time doing the last 2 miles into the harbour. i.e. a couple of miles off the heads at 17.00 finish at 22dogballs! Frustration level at max there for a while before getting 15 - 20 dead on the nose for the last mile. While I can understand getting sick of going no-where for 5 or 6 hours no- one could really have had time constraints as most of these boats would not finish a slow Cabbage Tree before Saturday midnight anyway and the breeze was always forecast to come back from the west about when it did. As for Jaffa they came out of the clouds along the shore and left the rest of us still flapping around outside the heads, we had up until then been in her 11th place but the wind dying and her getting smart on the coast pushed us back a couple, still claiming first in the 3 bedroom division though! Conditions before that had been a bit sporty 25 - 35 pretty consistently up and half way back saw a couple of 40s but just there and gone, seas the usual messy stuff in Stockton Bight whenever there is a Southerly, lumpy and allover the place but not worryingly big. Worst was when the wind went away & the bloody seas didn't, even in 5 or 6 knots there wasn't enough power in the rig to stop them shaking the bot to a standstill, but then we are a heavy boat with an even heavier rig. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 607 #669 Posted November 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, TUBBY said: Think you will find that most of the boats sighting "time constraints" would have been truer saying FRUSTRATION. At the time they were dropping out we were taking 2 & a half hours to get up the harbour to the finish after spending about the same amount of time doing the last 2 miles into the harbour. i.e. a couple of miles off the heads at 17.00 finish at 22dogballs! Frustration level at max there for a while before getting 15 - 20 dead on the nose for the last mile. While I can understand getting sick of going no-where for 5 or 6 hours no- one could really have had time constraints as most of these boats would not finish a slow Cabbage Tree before Saturday midnight anyway and the breeze was always forecast to come back from the west about when it did. As for Jaffa they came out of the clouds along the shore and left the rest of us still flapping around outside the heads, we had up until then been in her 11th place but the wind dying and her getting smart on the coast pushed us back a couple, still claiming first in the 3 bedroom division though! Conditions before that had been a bit sporty 25 - 35 pretty consistently up and half way back saw a couple of 40s but just there and gone, seas the usual messy stuff in Stockton Bight whenever there is a Southerly, lumpy and allover the place but not worryingly big. Worst was when the wind went away & the bloody seas didn't, even in 5 or 6 knots there wasn't enough power in the rig to stop them shaking the bot to a standstill, but then we are a heavy boat with an even heavier rig. As a qualifier for the Hobart it seems only right that the race should serve up a Derwent- like finish. Don’t see too many pull out of that race in the Derwent. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TUBBY 230 #670 Posted November 10, 2019 Can't argue with that! Just that it seems this year only the big boat owners are paying their wind bills, the fast boats finishing just as the breeze shuts down (or swings on the nose) has been a bit regular to be fun this year. Maybe this will be the good old fashioned Hobart hard on the nose for two days from about 22.00 on boxing day swinging through the east to a quicker run to the finish for us slower boats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duncan (the other one) 669 #671 Posted November 10, 2019 48 minutes ago, TUBBY said: Can't argue with that! Just that it seems this year only the big boat owners are paying their wind bills, the fast boats finishing just as the breeze shuts down (or swings on the nose) has been a bit regular to be fun this year. Maybe this will be the good old fashioned Hobart hard on the nose for two days from about 22.00 on boxing day swinging through the east to a quicker run to the finish for us slower boats. Moving all the shorter 90 miler starts to Saturday morning has compounded this problem. Big guys never see the evening shut down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splash 2 #672 Posted November 10, 2019 53 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said: Moving all the shorter 90 miler starts to Saturday morning has compounded this problem. Big guys never see the evening shut down. +1000000 I can only think of 2 ‘40 and under that have actually won a BWPS race off the top of my head! Deck is loaded to the 50’s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hughw 39 #673 Posted November 10, 2019 21 hours ago, terrafirma said: How did Gweilo get so far ahead of Maverick? Upwind obviously? Maverick were smoking. blew the tack off the A3:( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 191 #674 Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 8:01 AM, Rushman said: Anybody recognise where the break is from that photo? Across the chain plates. Where the daggerboard cases used to be. Chances are the structural engineering or build quality in the most recent modifications (daggerboards removed) went wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 191 #675 Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 11:44 AM, Sugarscoop said: crane the rig out onto the deck and motor back to sydney. No chance. The hull almost folded in half by the look of things. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 191 #676 Posted November 10, 2019 19 hours ago, duncan (the other one) said: We saw solid 30's for a while around midnight. Peaks of high 30's. Calibration may vary, but a planing S&S suggests otherwise. Very confused sea coming back off Stockton. Not surprised lots of damage. We saw gusts over 40 on the way up. Plenty of sustained 30+. Ditto the confused sea on the way back but it moderated pretty quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 191 #677 Posted November 10, 2019 13 hours ago, jackolantern said: So then that’s a new mast before Hobart or re-jiggering the 2005 one to fit the boat? Assuming you can fix the structural problems... which from the photo looks like a sheared mast bulkhead... I reckon they’ll need a whole new hull section. I very much doubt that can happen only the 6 weeks to Hobart. And not at all clear the base of the mast can be repaired At all. The lead time for a new one would be over 6 months. Good opportunity to salvage all the sails, foils and technology and build a whole new design hull package. If the rig is salvageable that will limit that option - it is sized to cope with a relatively low RM so won’t cope with a more powerful hull concept. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 648 #678 Posted November 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, DickDastardly said: I reckon they’ll need a whole new hull section. I very much doubt that can happen only the 6 weeks to Hobart. And not at all clear the base of the mast can be repaired At all. The lead time for a new one would be over 6 months. Good opportunity to salvage all the sails, foils and technology and build a whole new design hull package. If the rig is salvageable that will limit that option - it is sized to cope with a relatively low RM so won’t cope with a more powerful hull concept. I'm sure they'll chase a possible repair to the current boat for this years Hobart. If they can't make it they'll still repair the boat I think. Forensic examination will likely decide their fate if it hasn't been decided already? What's interesting is that Black Jack completed the course without incident? I think we know Comanche would have been OK just curious as to what Oats did wrong to cause the damage? A few $$$ questions to be answered and certainly a big moment as it opens up the Hobart as a likely 2 horse race? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 576 #679 Posted November 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, terrafirma said: I'm sure they'll chase a possible repair to the current boat for this years Hobart. If they can't make it they'll still repair the boat I think. Forensic examination will likely decide their fate if it hasn't been decided already? What's interesting is that Black Jack completed the course without incident? I think we know Comanche would have been OK just curious as to what Oats did wrong to cause the damage? A few $$$ questions to be answered and certainly a big moment as it opens up the Hobart as a likely 2 horse race? the answer? 1 hour ago, DickDastardly said: Across the chain plates. Where the daggerboard cases used to be. Chances are the structural engineering or build quality in the most recent modifications (daggerboards removed) went wrong. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nix0nix0 0 #680 Posted November 10, 2019 12 hours ago, duncan (the other one) said: True. Was gnarly, but not 'gnarly Hobart' gnarly. Indeed, long way from bad Hobart weather. The running was in pretty flat water most of the way north, epic fun. St Jude averaging high teens - topping out at 22.5 for a displacement boat was pretty sporty. First half of the way back was shitty but in the painful way rather than the too hard way. If you can't manage that weather don't go south. The MOB should be a good wakeup to anyone snoozing on the front. About Time was quick to respond, MOB activated his AIS, we stood by with another just off nth head. Even still, traffic was full-on and we were worried he would get run down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10thTonner 170 #681 Posted November 10, 2019 7 hours ago, lydia said: How are they going to blame the sunfish for this one! It jumped? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hughw 39 #682 Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, hughw said: blew the tack off the A3:( correction-was the tack ring on the A3 that failed so Stu reckons they lost best part of an hour with that gone vmg running 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimp too 283 #683 Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, hughw said: correction-was the tack ring on the A3 that failed so Stu reckons they lost best part of an hour with that gone vmg running Blowing that A3 seems to be a bit of a consistent problem for Maverick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frogman56 47 #684 Posted November 10, 2019 Guys, The deck and ringframe issues on the woxi likely a byproduct of the mast compression failure..telescoped 1m below the deck. Word is 2 weeks to fix the hull and Southern all over new 4m piece of mast and sleeve! Back in water 1 December? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dachopper 18 #685 Posted November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Chimp too said: Blowing that A3 seems to be a bit of a consistent problem for Maverick. They seemed to be in the low 20's for most of the race up! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monosailor 18 #686 Posted November 10, 2019 5 hours ago, DickDastardly said: No chance. The hull almost folded in half by the look of things. That is what they are going to do. Boat is prepped waiting for the weather window Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hitchhiker 474 #687 Posted November 10, 2019 13 hours ago, lydia said: That is harsher than me! any results posted for the finishers found them Link please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Al Paca 205 #688 Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 2:16 AM, Bill E Goat said: If WOXI don't make the Hobart race what will they have to focus on in the Broadcast, mabye a webcam of the rebuild or just repeat last years Richo’s haircut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimp too 283 #689 Posted November 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Frogman56 said: Word is 2 weeks to fix the hull and Southern all over new 4m piece of mast and sleeve! Back in water 1 December? Doesn’t sound realistic to me. All high load areas and too risky to do a quick repair. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
