Sydney to Hobart 2019

[dachopper 0]

There seems to be a lot more excitement about the 2019 S2H than the 2018 event on the official website.

Is something special happening? 

Multi's?

Foilers?

 

 

[lydia 175]

See front page of the mercury this morning

[mad 1,642]

Too early for a weather forecast?

[jack_sparrow 4,170]

Chopper didn't you start unknowingly a 2018 Hobart thread this time last year over a year in advance?  Are hooked on the novelty? 

[hoppy 456]

2 hours ago, lydia said:

See front page of the mercury this morning

Stupid "members only story"

but "THE Sydney-Hobart yacht race needs a shot in the arm to keep the event up to date with recent sailing innovations, says a yachting veteran. Incat chairman and line honours skipper Robert Clifford supports the introduction of superyachts and hydrofoil"

gives enough info..

 

I agree on the superyachts. It would be great for spectators if a few of them get dragged away from the Caribbean to spend summer down under. 

[hoppy 456]

6 hours ago, dachopper said:

There seems to be a lot more excitement about the 2019 S2H than the 2018 event on the official website.

Is something special happening? 

Multi's?

Foilers?

 

 

the 75th.... they seem to like flogging the anniversary events. I'm not quite sure what makes the 75th more exciting than the 74th. Better off saving your pennies and plan for the 100th, that should be a big one. 

[Next Level 11]

I’m hoping for more small boats like the 50th.... 

[dachopper 0]

Superyachts.... that would be interesting if any of them would come over! 

 

[dachopper 0]

15 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Chopper didn't you start unknowingly a 2018 Hobart thread this time last year over a year in advance?  Are hooked on the novelty? 

I do detect a bit of Déjà vu...

Anything to grind your gears!

[LeKa 1]

The mighty Firefly (40.7) is planning on doing the 75th S2H!!

 

[SPORTSCAR 251]

On 10/7/2018 at 9:06 AM, hoppy said:

the 75th.... they seem to like flogging the anniversary events. I'm not quite sure what makes the 75th more exciting than the 74th. Better off saving your pennies and plan for the 100th, that should be a big one. 

The 100th will cost $AUD100k to enter and monohulls or non-foiling yachts will no longer be accepted. Owners of less than Billionaire net capital worth status will have the right to appeal the rejection of their entry but will be refused anyway.  Maximum crew allowed  will be three, of any gender, and no more than five autopilots and two flux capacitor powered engines per vessel will be allowed. Mount Gay helmets will be issued to all surviving participants.

The race will start, as usual, on Boxing Day at 1:00pm and most competing boats are expected back in Sydney Harbour for the twilight race to be conducted by The Inter-Galactic Cruising Yacht Club that evening. Channel 7 will thought-stream the start for the maximum allowable public broadcast time of Seven (funny about that) nano-minutes, concentrating on a maximum of two boats owned by the wealthiest participants no matter how many are entered.

Calm, light, variable and heavy radiation is forecast and the fact that the crew will glow in the dark removes the need for navigation lights. Seas are expected to be wet. Competitors have been advised of a potential navigation hazard on the course as continental drift will have seen Australia move eastward towards the New Zealand land mass. As is normal, expected, Sunfish will  play an important role in determining the winner of this iconic event.

Results will be projected on to the Sydney Opera House as soon as available. and because nobody can agree on which rules, if any. should apply to the Great Race, protests are no longer accepted so the delay in projecting the results should be minimal. 

[Bill E Goat 90]

You must be on some top notch medication Sportscar

[SCANAS 293]

17 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

The 100th will cost $AUD100k to enter and monohulls or non-foiling yachts will no longer be accepted. Owners of less than Billionaire net capital worth status will have the right to appeal the rejection of their entry but will be refused anyway.  Maximum crew allowed  will be three, of any gender, and no more than five autopilots and two flux capacitor powered engines per vessel will be allowed. Mount Gay helmets will be issued to all surviving participants.

The race will start, as usual, on Boxing Day at 1:00pm and most competing boats are expected back in Sydney Harbour for the twilight race to be conducted by The Inter-Galactic Cruising Yacht Club that evening. Channel 7 will thought-stream the start for the maximum allowable public broadcast time of Seven (funny about that) nano-minutes, concentrating on a maximum of two boats owned by the wealthiest participants no matter how many are entered.

Calm, light, variable and heavy radiation is forecast and the fact that the crew will glow in the dark removes the need for navigation lights. Seas are expected to be wet. Competitors have been advised of a potential navigation hazard on the course as continental drift will have seen Australia move eastward towards the New Zealand land mass. As is normal, expected, Sunfish will  play an important role in determining the winner of this iconic event.

Results will be projected on to the Sydney Opera House as soon as available. and because nobody can agree on which rules, if any. should apply to the Great Race, protests are no longer accepted so the delay in projecting the results should be minimal. 

Except gender will cease to exist. 

[SPORTSCAR 251]

53 minutes ago, Bill E Goat said:

You must be on some top notch medication Sportscar

Not yet mate... just channeling my inner George Orwell

[pulpit 83]

4 hours ago, SPORTSCAR said:

The 100th will cost $AUD100k to enter and monohulls or non-foiling yachts will no longer be accepted. Owners of less than Billionaire net capital worth status will have the right to appeal the rejection of their entry but will be refused anyway.  Maximum crew allowed  will be three, of any gender, and no more than five autopilots and two flux capacitor powered engines per vessel will be allowed. Mount Gay helmets will be issued to all surviving participants.

The race will start, as usual, on Boxing Day at 1:00pm and most competing boats are expected back in Sydney Harbour for the twilight race to be conducted by The Inter-Galactic Cruising Yacht Club that evening. Channel 7 will thought-stream the start for the maximum allowable public broadcast time of Seven (funny about that) nano-minutes, concentrating on a maximum of two boats owned by the wealthiest participants no matter how many are entered.

Calm, light, variable and heavy radiation is forecast and the fact that the crew will glow in the dark removes the need for navigation lights. Seas are expected to be wet. Competitors have been advised of a potential navigation hazard on the course as continental drift will have seen Australia move eastward towards the New Zealand land mass. As is normal, expected, Sunfish will  play an important role in determining the winner of this iconic event.

Results will be projected on to the Sydney Opera House as soon as available. and because nobody can agree on which rules, if any. should apply to the Great Race, protests are no longer accepted so the delay in projecting the results should be minimal. 

So Sportscar 

 

Will the race have a rog Victorian skipper entered as well just to spice up the fleet as well and give the CYC some one to throw out to keep the other owners happy as well ?

 

pulpit 

[hoppy 456]

4 hours ago, SPORTSCAR said:

The 100th will cost $AUD100k to enter and monohulls or non-foiling yachts will no longer be accepted.

By then, a good part of the population will be getting paid in the Australian Yuan and it will be very affordable. The AUD exchange rate with the USTrump and Euro Rouble will also be very favourable, so for foreign boat's it will be cheap entry.

[jack_sparrow 4,170]

3 hours ago, hoppy said:

By then, a good part of the population will be getting paid in the Australian Yuan...

There is still a long way to go to setting up Yuan clearing houses let alone China being invited to the global reserve currency table.

[Phil 4]

16 hours ago, Bill E Goat said:

You must be on some top notch medication Sportscar

Only the same stuff that you and I are on.

[Bill E Goat 90]

2 hours ago, Phil said:

Only the same stuff that you and I are on.

That would be the yeast, grape and sugar based medications

[bayboy 22]

If the 50th was anything to go by the 75th should be almost as big, better book your flights and accommodation early this year folks I would be expecting a fleet of 150+

[Next Level 11]

1 hour ago, bayboy said:

If the 50th was anything to go by the 75th should be almost as big, better book your flights and accommodation early this year folks I would be expecting a fleet of 150+

Second this comment!

[DtM 231]

My recollection of the 50th was a fleet of 370 boats.  Doubt the 75th will get anywhere close to that.

150 would be a very good fleet.

[bayboy 22]

1 hour ago, DtM said:

My recollection of the 50th was a fleet of 370 boats.  Doubt the 75th will get anywhere close to that.

150 would be a very good fleet.

Yeah it was crazy think about 310 boats actually made it to Hobart but with 3 races to Hobart still expect overall 200 boats

[pulpit 83]

Now, now boys and girls,

 

We need to stop talking about the 100th  Hobart and  any talk of other Hobart races other than the 2019 race.

 

We don’t want to give Hoppy any ideas about any more races other than next years race or he will fart again and the next thing we all know is he will have  start 20 new topics before we know it. 

 

Pulpit

[pulpit 83]

So with all the new rules that YA or what ever they are and the CYC are bringing in, do we think that any of the old Boat s like the 1 tonners and alike will have any chance of doing the 75th race or is it going to be out of the reach of the average owner ? 

 

Or Do we need to look at starting a cruise to Hobart like how the race began in order to get owners Sailing the older boats again ?

 

pulpit

[thefirstpelican 11]

Go retro, IOR division pls. Hose the eurojizz of Freight Train.

[NeedAClew 42]

On 10/9/2018 at 12:54 AM, SPORTSCAR said:

The 100th will cost $AUD100k to enter and monohulls or non-foiling yachts will no longer be accepted. Owners of less than Billionaire net capital worth status will have the right to appeal the rejection of their entry but will be refused anyway.  Maximum crew allowed  will be three, of any gender, and no more than five autopilots and two flux capacitor powered engines per vessel will be allowed. Mount Gay helmets will be issued to all surviving participants.

The race will start, as usual, on Boxing Day at 1:00pm and most competing boats are expected back in Sydney Harbour for the twilight race to be conducted by The Inter-Galactic Cruising Yacht Club that evening. Channel 7 will thought-stream the start for the maximum allowable public broadcast time of Seven (funny about that) nano-minutes, concentrating on a maximum of two boats owned by the wealthiest participants no matter how many are entered.

Calm, light, variable and heavy radiation is forecast and the fact that the crew will glow in the dark removes the need for navigation lights. Seas are expected to be wet. Competitors have been advised of a potential navigation hazard on the course as continental drift will have seen Australia move eastward towards the New Zealand land mass. As is normal, expected, Sunfish will  play an important role in determining the winner of this iconic event.

Results will be projected on to the Sydney Opera House as soon as available. and because nobody can agree on which rules, if any. should apply to the Great Race, protests are no longer accepted so the delay in projecting the results should be minimal. 

The "crew" will be AI and it will be Billionaire Owner-Driver because they can sit around on their superyachts in St Barts or Lanai or wherever "helming" the boats. 

[Next Level 11]

15 hours ago, pulpit said:

So with all the new rules that YA or what ever they are and the CYC are bringing in, do we think that any of the old Boat s like the 1 tonners and alike will have any chance of doing the 75th race or is it going to be out of the reach of the average owner ? 

 

Or Do we need to look at starting a cruise to Hobart like how the race began in order to get owners Sailing the older boats again ?

 

pulpit

I hope the CY assists a much as possible to allow the “average owners and boats” to compete. Not sure exactly what they could do but it would be a shame to let this anniversary year go by without some of the smaller and older boats having a chance to compete with the bigger and more expensive programs...

any ideas the CY could adopt to make entry easier and more affordable for the smaller amateur programs?

[bayboy 22]

51 minutes ago, Next Level said:

I hope the CY assists a much as possible to allow the “average owners and boats” to compete. Not sure exactly what they could do but it would be a shame to let this anniversary year go by without some of the smaller and older boats having a chance to compete with the bigger and more expensive programs...

any ideas the CY could adopt to make entry easier and more affordable for the smaller amateur programs?

Thats the million dollar question, how to make it more affordable for the average person/owner, perhaps some owner who has gone to Hobart on a small boat can fill us in with costs

[Wavedancer II 22]

I am in, and promise to turn on the AIS...

[hoppy 456]

If you have a boat that is already cat 1 and sufficient crew have done the safety training (50%?), crew will pay their own airfares, delivery's done by crew or friends, and your boat is ready to compete as is.

Then what does the race cost?

I keep hearing big numbers for entry, but maybe that includes much of what I mention above?

[DtM 231]

Those criteria do not fit the more average boats that the posters above are describing and hoping will try to enter the 75th. Most of them would have the cost of getting to Cat 1 and a lot more (including relevant insurance).

You are a blithering idiot.

[jack_sparrow 4,170]

That comparison is going to offend a lot of blitherers

[Checked 4]

1 hour ago, hoppy said:

Then what does the race cost?

 

Race entry is $750 plus $75 per crew member. 

[hoppy 456]

1 hour ago, DtM said:

Those criteria do not fit the more average boats that the posters above are describing and hoping will try to enter the 75th. Most of them would have the cost of getting to Cat 1 and a lot more (including relevant insurance).

You are a blithering idiot.

Look you arrogant fuck, I was asking a simple question, no need to insult...

Owners of boats that may currently be racing in cat 2, 3, 4 etc can  go through the special regs to work out what is needed to get their boats to cat 1. For those that don't have a boat, there have been boats that were being listed as cat 1, such as She's the Culprit and Luna Sea, in the budget price range and there will be other more expensive boats as well. Culprit did the 2017 S2H and and is been sold as cat 1 but you do need to hire a liferaft and probably PLB's. It's possible or even likely that a couple of boat that just raced will come on the market. The costs for getting boats to cat 1 is going to be somewhere between very little and shitloads depending on the boat.

What I want to know and I'm sure others would like to know, what else needs to be considered.

Insurance, good point. What are examples of what owners have paid?

1 hour ago, Checked said:

Race entry is $750 plus $75 per crew member. 

Thanks...

[jack_sparrow 4,170]

Hoppy you can burn up $30K pretty quickly on a 40 footer that is in good order just to turn up and get home, and more the further afield home is.  @SCANAS would be able to provide a reliable figure for a QLD boat.

[lydia 175]

To take a average club racing 40 footer and properly fit it out get it to the start and back to qld when all said and done  you will have no change from aud $100 k

or at least what it used to cost about a decade ago

[bayboy 22]

Im surprised S2H gets as many yachts as it does if it's costing up too 100k for the race of a small boat, no wonder we see fleets get smaller

[lydia 175]

Drops in the second year to about 60k 

and don’t forget to factor in the cost of the family holiday in tas afterwards So another $15k 

[SCANAS 293]

26 minutes ago, bayboy said:

Im surprised S2H gets as many yachts as it does if it's costing up too 100k for the race of a small boat, no wonder we see fleets get smaller

Check the entry list mate, there isn’t many small boats!

[Next Level 11]

6 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Check the entry list mate, there isn’t many small boats!

It’s sad mate.. if you look back at the fleets in the 90’s and even the early 000’s, the majority of the fleets were in the 30-40 footer range.. Amateur crews, in more common and affordable production boats. This in turn, made entry and the cost of the race campaign more affordable overall and I think more desirable to the “everyday sailors” who wanted to have a crack!

bring back those days I reckon!

[hoppy 456]

1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Hoppy you can burn up $30K pretty quickly on a 40 footer that is in good order just to turn up and get home, and more the further afield home is.  @SCANAS would be able to provide a reliable figure for a QLD boat.

 

1 hour ago, lydia said:

To take a average club racing 40 footer and properly fit it out get it to the start and back to qld when all said and done  you will have no change from aud $100 k

or at least what it used to cost about a decade ago

Does this look like it covers every thing?

1) Entry costs

2) Upgrade boat to cat 1 (depends on boat, as per special regs requirements)

3) Rental of Liferaft, PLB  

4) Stability test if needed

5) IRC, ORCi rating costs if not doing PHS

6) Crew training courses

7) Qualifying races and races for training costs

8) Delivery to Sydney cost (food, fuel, beer, return flights)

9) Mooring in/near Sydney (1 week at MHYC = 1 month Pittwater)

10) Flights to Sydney 

11) Shipping of race sails to Sydney if not on boat for delivery (possible van rental)

12) Shipping of delivery sails and crew gear to Hobart (organised by CYCA but extra cost or is it included?)

13) Food, drink & fuel for race

14) Race insurance coverage. I assume there is a minimum requirement to satisfy rules and extra to cover replacement of rig or total loss.

15) Flights for race crew home and delivery to Hobart.

16) Hotels for support crew and family in Hobart

17) post race Booze

18) Shipping race sails home if cruising back

19) Food, drink & fuel for delivery home

20) new races sails if needed or desired

 

Not planning, but I am curious to know how it is calculated...

[hoppy 456]

Small boat inspiration

http://rolexsydneyhobart.com/news/2018/pre-race/gun-runner-the-little-boat-with-a-lot-of-heart/

Gun Runner is a 9.2 metre Jarkan 925 with a crew of six and an annual budget of $4,000. 

and the reward for the effort

http://rolexsydneyhobart.com/standings/?raceId=113&categoryId=509&raceTime=

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/army-boat-gun-runner-finally-finishes-hobart-odyssey/news-story/eca40b558c81f60d3c0c98ae71303c07?nk=c3706dc700c66a9efbc656ca66884174-1546330136

 

[lydia 175]

For a start you forgot work on boat like stopping leaks etc and new set of halyards and sheets

then there are engine services replacing  shaft bearings etc before you get to rudder bearings service or refit

no communication upgrades in your list

big one is sails so new offshore main , three and four with new s4  for reliability 

as scanas found out you can’t expect a reasonably new club racing main to stay in one piece when reefing at tasman

Hoppy you start way ahead with a known boat like a Sydney 38 all the bits are off the shelf and standard items

there is a start

 

 

[Gorn FRANTIC!! 109]

He also forgot to factor in flying all over the country & NZ to inspect each and every race yacht priced up to $80k AUD

[hoppy 456]

3 hours ago, lydia said:

For a start you forgot work on boat like stopping leaks etc and new set of halyards and sheets

then there are engine services replacing  shaft bearings etc before you get to rudder bearings service or refit

no communication upgrades in your list

big one is sails so new offshore main , three and four with new s4  for reliability 

as scanas found out you can’t expect a reasonably new club racing main to stay in one piece when reefing at tasman

Hoppy you start way ahead with a known boat like a Sydney 38 all the bits are off the shelf and standard items

there is a start

 

 

All that stuff depends on the boat you have. For example, my old Jeanneau would not need a new main (built solid for high wind cruising) but it would need a smaller headsail and storm sails. However, if you had something like the S38 that recently sold in Melbourne, it's likely that a full wardrobe would be required. On the other hand, a boat that recently did the race may be ok sail wise.

Comms is covered in 2) Upgrade boat to cat 1 (depends on boat, as per special regs requirements)

I'm trying to understand the non-boat upgrade items.

[hoppy 456]

3 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

He also forgot to factor in flying all over the country & NZ to inspect each and every race yacht priced up to $80k AUD

not talking me. At the most I'd be doing the L2H in 2019

[mad 1,642]

4 minutes ago, hoppy said:

not talking me. At the most I'd be doing the L2H in 2019

You’re gonna need to buy a boat for that, or you hitching a lift?

[hoppy 456]

9 minutes ago, mad said:

You’re gonna need to buy a boat for that, or you hitching a lift?

exactly.....

At the most I'll be doing the L2H and at the least, I'll be posting in this very thread complaining that everyone is like Ch7 and only posting about the Maxi's and not caring about the "little" boats.

[Snowden 10]

Allow 2-handed entries and you will see 30-36 footers back, just like the Fastnet.

[lydia 175]

5 hours ago, hoppy said:

All that stuff depends on the boat you have. For example, my old Jeanneau would not need a new main (built solid for high wind cruising) but it would need a smaller headsail and storm sails. However, if you had something like the S38 that recently sold in Melbourne, it's likely that a full wardrobe would be required. On the other hand, a boat that recently did the race may be ok sail wise.

Comms is covered in 2) Upgrade boat to cat 1 (depends on boat, as per special regs requirements)

I'm trying to understand the non-boat upgrade items.

Hoppy that is not the comms upgrade I was talking about

your cruising main would not last the distance

and from experience I can say it is cheaper and better to buy the boat with no sails 

sails deteriates even if sitting in the shed

 

[mad 1,642]

2 hours ago, lydia said:

Hoppy that is not the comms upgrade I was talking about

your cruising main would not last the distance

and from experience I can say it is cheaper and better to buy the boat with no sails 

sails deteriates even if sitting in the shed

 

Just ask Witty. 

[bayboy 22]

So by the sounds of it if you want to do a Hobart you need a syndicate of people just to afford the trip.

[Snowden 10]

14 hours ago, lydia said:

 

your cruising main would not last the distance

It’s 650 NM (1300 w/ return delivery), it wouldn’t eat a heavy Dacron cruising main. 

[HILLY 27]

24 minutes ago, VOA said:

ZuesII won in ‘81 overall. Can you still take an old 1/2? I don’t think so

Kind of, Gun Runner a Jarkan 9.25, just won Corinthian, But an old race half tonner would probably have to go through some measurement hassles, re: scantlings / stability.

It would be great to see a division of old halfs, 3/4er's and 1 tonners do the 75th. Bring back the Gruelling,, just for 1 race..

Have at it, you could start here, I'm sure an old East Coast 31 would pass all tests, bullet proof bloody things.

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/eastcoast-31-classic-grp-half-tonner/207344

[bayboy 22]

Good value probably take another 80k to bring it back to glory.

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/farr-40-ex-ior-1-tonner-now-performance-cruiser-racer/225189

[SPORTSCAR 251]

16 hours ago, VOA said:

ZuesII won in ‘81 overall. Can you still take an old 1/2? I don’t think so

Anyone who applies to enter a Hobart with a Half Tonner should be taken away in a straight-jacket and committed for their own protection.

Having said that, kudos to the GunRunner dudes, impressive effort. Great boats those 925s, Kanga-Built and bloody near bullet proof.

[lydia 175]

17 hours ago, VOA said:

ZuesII won in ‘81 overall. Can you still take an old 1/2? I don’t think so

THe very old 1/2 tonner like a currawong make stability but later one will not

Scantling rules does not apply.

But sporty how is that different from any other private owner who wants to take anything less than a 52 to Hobart these days!

Spend lots of money, finish days behind the big boats with no hope of a win.

[FromTheRail 61]

Trying to find the stability requirements, anyone got a link?

[Next Level 11]

26 minutes ago, FromTheRail said:

Trying to find the stability requirements, anyone got a link?

Min 115 for Hobart post 98..

[lydia 175]

11 minutes ago, Next Level said:

Min 115 for Hobart post 98..

The real question is how you get to the number.

Changes to the screening test make it complete bullshit.

Just get a designer to sign off on a dodgy gz curve and you are all good.

A number of older boats with previously clear AVS have struggled to now make 115 with the change in inclination procedure.

And the solutions demonstrate the process is bullshit.

In one case putting 120kg of lead a metre forward of the mast made the boat have a higher AVS.

[Next Level 11]

24 minutes ago, lydia said:

The real question is how you get to the number.

Changes to the screening test make it complete bullshit.

Just get a designer to sign off on a dodgy gz curve and you are all good.

A number of older boats with previously clear AVS have struggled to now make 115 with the change in inclination procedure.

And the solutions demonstrate the process is bullshit.

In one case putting 120kg of lead a metre forward of the mast made the boat have a higher AVS.

Where is the most accurate info for individual designs RM and STIX??

A list of stock production boats stability would be interesting to compare when looking for a affordable boat when putting a campaign together.

 

[FromTheRail 61]

9 minutes ago, Next Level said:

Where is the most accurate info for individual designs RM and STIX??

A list of stock production boats stability would be interesting to compare when looking for a affordable boat when putting a campaign together.

 

Just what I was thinking.....

[lydia 175]

Can’t use STIX for Hobart

[lydia 175]

Tell me the boat and I will tell you the likely AVS

Trick question which has the higher AVS a Farr (Mumm) 30 or an S&S 34

L

[pulpit 83]

Does anyone know How can you find a old IOR / IMS rating certificates and measurements  for boats in Australia ?

pulpit

[Next Level 11]

4 minutes ago, lydia said:

Tell me the boat and I will tell you the likely AVS

Trick question which has the higher AVS a Farr (Mumm) 30 or an S&S 34

L

Northshore 38???

[lydia 175]

Having done the numbers few years ago the equation is this.

an old 1/2 toner will be about 0.8500 and a 100 foot canter is 1.650 plus so if  Wild Oats take 2 1/2 days you get to finish on New Year’s Eve and win.

Zues 2 finished 2nd in 2002 to Quest and had a very slow run up the river, I was in the jury room at the RYCT with my back to the window while the jury kept looking past me at Zues 2 as it crept to the finish.

[lydia 175]

Just now, Next Level said:

Northshore 38???

Which version keel shoe or not or nsx

[Next Level 11]

4 minutes ago, lydia said:

Which version keel shoe or not or nsx

Keel shoe and without versions...

[lydia 175]

Without checking the records but will do , with a standard rig about 108-109 so well short.

really in new keel territory

Therte is one that races a bit in Tas under AMS/IRC but not in Cat 2 races

[SPORTSCAR 251]

3 hours ago, lydia said:

THe very old 1/2 tonner like a currawong make stability but later one will not

Scantling rules does not apply.

But sporty how is that different from any other private owner who wants to take anything less than a 52 to Hobart these days!

Spend lots of money, finish days behind the big boats with no hope of a win.

Dead right Lydia, the vast majority of competitors are on a hiding to nothing in terms of a win but for most, the mystique of the event is why they do it. To be able to answer yes when asked if you’ve done a Hobart carries some kudos, even today. It will be interesting to see the size of the 75th fleet on 26/12/19. Might even hit the gym and have another go myself.

 

 

[Next Level 11]

4 minutes ago, lydia said:

Without checking the records but will do , with a standard rig about 108-109 so well short.

really in new keel territory

Therte is one that races a bit in Tas under AMS/IRC but not in Cat 2 races

Interesting...

what are some affordable designs out there in the 36-40ft range which would def pass the 115?

[SPORTSCAR 251]

12 minutes ago, lydia said:

Without checking the records but will do , with a standard rig about 108-109 so well short.

really in new keel territory

Therte is one that races a bit in Tas under AMS/IRC but not in Cat 2 races

New keel = whole new internal  keel floor structure, you can’t just hang a new keel on the existing structure, so major expense right there. Increased stability means increased loads on rig, sails and deck gear and on it goes so not a simple fix.

 

[Next Level 11]

13 minutes ago, lydia said:

Without checking the records but will do , with a standard rig about 108-109 so well short.

really in new keel territory

Therte is one that races a bit in Tas under AMS/IRC but not in Cat 2 races

I vaguely recall Shane Kearns (Komatsu Azzurro) took one south in the early noughties... St Malo I believe it was called.. will need to double check.

[Bill E Goat 90]

3 hours ago, lydia said:

But sporty how is that different from any other private owner who wants to take anything less than a 52 to Hobart these days!

Spend lots of money, finish days behind the big boats with no hope of a win.

90% of boats know they have no chance of a win, maybe a divisional placing.  But spending the lead up and then the race with a bunch of mates and enjoying a pretty tough experience that most people you know that aren't into sailing (if you know any) are in awe of is what it is all about.  I know the fun I had will live forever. 

It is the safety regulation costs that start to add up that make it hard

[lydia 175]

51 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Dead right Lydia, the vast majority of competitors are on a hiding to nothing in terms of a win but for most, the mystique of the event is why they do it. To be able to answer yes when asked if you’ve done a Hobart carries some kudos, even today. It will be interesting to see the size of the 75th fleet on 26/12/19. Might even hit the gym and have another go myself.

 

 

Sporty

I have a 1/2 toner you can borrow

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[lydia 175]

48 minutes ago, Next Level said:

Interesting...

what are some affordable designs out there in the 36-40ft range which would def pass the 115?

Sydney 38 designed nd built for the job

Anything cheaper will just require mods

[hoppy 456]

54 minutes ago, Next Level said:

Interesting...

what are some affordable designs out there in the 36-40ft range which would def pass the 115?

Sydney 38

[Next Level 11]

Just now, hoppy said:

Sydney 38

Lydia beat you to it but I figured that would be the common answer!

[hoppy 456]

7 minutes ago, lydia said:

Sydney 38 designed nd built for the job

Anything cheaper will just require mods

I should have refreshed before replying..

[Tunnel Rat 770]

1 hour ago, Next Level said:

Where is the most accurate info for individual designs RM and STIX??

A list of stock production boats stability would be interesting to compare when looking for a affordable boat when putting a campaign together.

 

If you go here and request the full 24 column info then the SSS Base Value, the STIX and AVS info is available for all boats that have an IRC cert and the relevant stability info.  You can sort for AUS or for any other country you wish to look at.

https://www.ircrating.org/racing/on-line-tcc-listings

[Next Level 11]

8 minutes ago, Tunnel Rat said:

If you go here and request the full 24 column info then the SSS Base Value, the STIX and AVS info is available for all boats that have an IRC cert and the relevant stability info.  You can sort for AUS or for any other country you wish to look at.

https://www.ircrating.org/racing/on-line-tcc-listings

Awesome thanks TR.

[lydia 175]

13 minutes ago, Tunnel Rat said:

If you go here and request the full 24 column info then the SSS Base Value, the STIX and AVS info is available for all boats that have an IRC cert and the relevant stability info.  You can sort for AUS or for any other country you wish to look at.

https://www.ircrating.org/racing/on-line-tcc-listings

Cyca will not accept AVS from class irc ct or any of the information there

it is so SA get to sell you two fucking certicates

[Tunnel Rat 770]

4 minutes ago, lydia said:

Cyca will not accept AVS from class irc ct or any of the information there

it is so SA get to sell you two fucking certicates

They wouldn't want to make things too easy for you, would they?

At least that webpage is an indication of what boats may get what range of stability number......

[Next Level 11]

7 minutes ago, lydia said:

Cyca will not accept AVS from class irc ct or any of the information there

it is so SA get to sell you two fucking certicates

What a joke... which Certs do they accept for entry?

thanks TR, it def gives an indication as to what sort of designs make the grade.

cheers

[lydia 175]

It is in the NoR but in practical terms for an older boats it means ORCi ct or at least the flotation data.

The real problem at the moment is older boats reproducing past re3sults under the new procedure.

We are talking like 5 degrees of AVS with no change in the boat.

The  primary change is inclination without safety gear aboard.

Also the screening test has changed but no one can explain it.

One Hobart boat discussed on the other thread has always made 117 AVS yet only made 112 under the new regime.

The solution was to put weight in the , wait for it, the bow to increase stability.

Every kid in an Opti knows you make the boat more unstable by moving forward.

So the screening test is flawed to give that result even if you accept that at 115 inclination having the bow down makes the boat have a better AVS then the test is asking the wrong question.

It is voodoo physics based on an acceleration.

So even if you find an older boat that passed once it may not pass now.

 

[lydia 175]

It is in the NoR but in practical terms for an older boats it means ORCi ct or at least the flotation data.

The real problem at the moment is older boats reproducing past re3sults under the new procedure.

We are talking like 5 degrees of AVS with no change in the boat.

The  primary change is inclination without safety gear aboard.

Also the screening test has changed but no one can explain it.

One Hobart boat discussed on the other thread has always made 117 AVS yet only made 112 under the new regime.

The solution was to put weight in the , wait for it, the bow to increase stability.

Every kid in an Opti knows you make the boat more unstable by moving forward.

So the screening test is flawed to give that result even if you accept that at 115 inclination having the bow down makes the boat have a better AVS then the test is asking the wrong question.

It is voodoo physics based on an acceleration.

So even if you find an older boat that passed once it may not pass now.

Farr 30 shits it in btw

 

[Next Level 11]

9 minutes ago, lydia said:

It is in the NoR but in practical terms for an older boats it means ORCi ct or at least the flotation data.

The real problem at the moment is older boats reproducing past re3sults under the new procedure.

We are talking like 5 degrees of AVS with no change in the boat.

The  primary change is inclination without safety gear aboard.

Also the screening test has changed but no one can explain it.

One Hobart boat discussed on the other thread has always made 117 AVS yet only made 112 under the new regime.

The solution was to put weight in the , wait for it, the bow to increase stability.

Every kid in an Opti knows you make the boat more unstable by moving forward.

So the screening test is flawed to give that result even if you accept that at 115 inclination having the bow down makes the boat have a better AVS then the test is asking the wrong question.

It is voodoo physics based on an acceleration.

So even if you find an older boat that passed once it may not pass now.

Farr 30 shits it in btw

 

Mmm... concerning..

so back when the Tow Truck fellas took the little green sub south, she was stock?!?

i thought they must’ve added weight to the bulb or something along those lines.

[Feilberg 45]

On 12/31/2018 at 7:28 PM, pulpit said:

So with all the new rules that YA or what ever they are and the CYC are bringing in, do we think that any of the old Boat s like the 1 tonners and alike will have any chance of doing the 75th race or is it going to be out of the reach of the average owner ? 

 

Or Do we need to look at starting a cruise to Hobart like how the race began in order to get owners Sailing the older boats again ?

 

pulpit

Ask spiesy he got an old boat through the paperwork.

Down load a copy of the current years requirements are start working through it now. You need to be ready to sail on the last sat in july. Sydney to gold coast. From there it's easy.

It's all there http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/competitors/race-documentation/

 

[Spoonie 27]

I bought the sister ship to Atria with the grand idea of doing her up and racing her south.   I got to $50k on the laundry list and decided it wasn’t going to happen.   Scantlings check / cert was going to be $5k before any remediation.  SSB and electronics upgrade $10k, stability check $1k before any remediation.  Budget for remediagion scantlings & stab (provided with reason) $10k.  rig refurb, $10k,  misc safety $5k...  

I still have a dream of racing a 30 south, but probably not out of my pocket.   

I note even a Figaro 2 won’t meet AVS