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The IIHS is monitoring traffic accidents in states where the drug is now legal. A sharp rise has been found in states after they legalize. Extrapolated across the country and it could kill 4000 plus each year. Once it is legal nationally and usage gains public acceptance, death could peak well beyond that estimate. 

Thanks, liberals. 

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This just in - nearly 1000 deaths while riding bicycles last year.  Bicycles facing legislation, mandatory helmet requirements, and minimum age allowances.  Will now require ID to purchase.

 

Or not.

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Are you sure the accidents are not mostly caused by angry meth addled MAGA faithful simply rear-ending the peaceful slow-moving potheads?

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So as soon as became legal all these people immediately started smoking up and driving. Good that they never did it before.

 

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6 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

The IIHS is monitoring traffic accidents in states where the drug is now legal. A sharp rise has been found in states after they legalize. Extrapolated across the country and it could kill 4000 plus each year. Once it is legal nationally and usage gains public acceptance, death could peak well beyond that estimate. 

Thanks, liberals. 

you lie.

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7 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

The IIHS is monitoring traffic accidents in states where the drug is now legal. A sharp rise has been found in states after they legalize. Extrapolated across the country and it could kill 4000 plus each year. Once it is legal nationally and usage gains public acceptance, death could peak well beyond that estimate. 

Thanks, liberals. 

Hope you partake..

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Malarkey is just pissed that the government is cracking down on the pill peddlers in Floriduh.  Having to cut back on all that shit is a bitch.

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8 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

The IIHS is monitoring traffic accidents in states where the drug is now legal. A sharp rise has been found in states after they legalize. Extrapolated across the country and it could kill 4000 plus each year. Once it is legal nationally and usage gains public acceptance, death could peak well beyond that estimate. 

Thanks, liberals. 

You might try some yourself jack. It may help to to stop being such a cunt. 

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8 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

The IIHS is monitoring traffic accidents in states where the drug is now legal. A sharp rise has been found in states after they legalize. Extrapolated across the country and it could kill 4000 plus each year. Once it is legal nationally and usage gains public acceptance, death could peak well beyond that estimate. 

Thanks, liberals. 

Fuck you are an idiot people smoked pot before it was legal. Are you suggesting that because it is legal people will act more irresponsibly? If so how does that work?   

Here in civilization polls indicate that no more or no less people will use pot this is also been found in States where it is legal. So fuck off with half baked attacks on Liberals.  

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Word smith your way out of this, malarkey.

 

The number of highway deaths involving Colorado drivers who had marijuana in their system grew again in 2017, a new state study shows.

At the same time, traffic fatalities in which drivers had enough marijuana in their bloodstream to be deemed legally impaired dropped sharply, from 52 in 2016 to 35 last year.

The reason for this seeming contradiction: Marijuana can remain in the bloodstream for weeks, so a positive blood test may not mean a driver was stoned at the time of a deadly crash.

 

As the Colorado Department of Transportation study notes, “The presence of a cannabinoid does not necessarily indicate recent use of marijuana or impairment.”

In addition, traffic fatalities were already rising prior to cannabis legalization.

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7 minutes ago, HuronBouy said:

Fuck you are an idiot people smoked pot before it was legal. Are you suggesting that because it is legal people will act more irresponsibly? If so how does that work?   

Here in civilization polls indicate that no more or no less people will use pot this is also been found in States where it is legal. So fuck off with half baked attacks on Liberals.  

He can't be bothered to read anything with multiple syllables. Hence the "you lie" effect.

 

When "You lie" doesn't feel like quite enough, hit him with his self-admitted Low IQ meme. Shut's him down for a couple hours, every time.

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How many people are killed on the road each year by people yapping on cell phones, texting, or simply not paying attention.

I am willing to bet that pot smoking isn't going to make a significant dent in the driving fatalities statistics.

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1 hour ago, HuronBouy said:

Fuck you are an idiot people smoked pot before it was legal. Are you suggesting that because it is legal people will act more irresponsibly? If so how does that work?   

Here in civilization polls indicate that no more or no less people will use pot this is also been found in States where it is legal. So fuck off with half baked attacks on Liberals.  

"Half baked"..... Heh heh heh!...... Hey man! You're like completely baked!...... No man, I'm only half baked! Gimme that bong!:rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

You might try some yourself jack. It may help to to stop being such a cunt.  dickhead.

FIFY

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18 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

FIFY

He can't be a dickhead..... That's part of a man, and there ain't no part of Jack that is a man.

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48 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

He can't be a dickhead..... That's part of a man, and there ain't no part of Jack that is a man.

Maybe jack suffers from boletus penis?

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3 hours ago, HuronBouy said:

Fuck you are an idiot people smoked pot before it was legal. Are you suggesting that because it is legal people will act more irresponsibly? If so how does that work?   

Here in civilization polls indicate that no more or no less people will use pot this is also been found in States where it is legal. So fuck off with half baked attacks on Liberals.  

You are an idiot to argue only those that smoked it illegally before now smoke it legally. 

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So liberals think people killed by a driver high on drugs is a joke, Far more people than are killed by mass shootings yet guns are a national priority and drugs are meh. Add in opioids and alcohol and the left has a hell of a lot of blood on their hands. 

Liberalism is the definition of insanity. 

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2 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

 

Liberalism is the definition of insanity. 

No, you are.

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Just now, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

So liberals think people killed by a driver high on drugs is a joke, Far more people than are killed by mass shootings yet guns are a national priority and the other is a Meh. Add in opioids and alcohol and the left has a hell of a lot of blood on their hands. 

Liberalism is the definition of insanity. 

Oh, so you are a fan of seat belts and air bags and testing cars for safety? That's liberalism.

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Happy you,re displaying a lot of insanity yourself.  Have you booked your cruise yet?  How about a new ID?

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Who knows what liberals think but since you brought up what people think, it would appear that most folks here think that you are the joke, Dum Dum. 

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7 minutes ago, lasal said:

Oh, so you are a fan of seat belts and air bags and testing cars for safety? That's liberalism.

Most car safety advances have been consumer market driven. 

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1 hour ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Most car safety advances have been consumer market driven. 

No, they've been solid regulatory requirements agreed to by automakers to play on a level playing field. You know, liberalism. Welcome.

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1 hour ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

You are an idiot to argue only those that smoked it illegally before now smoke it legally. 

Got some data that it’s different? Liar?

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1 hour ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

So liberals think people killed by a driver high on drugs is a joke, Far more people than are killed by mass shootings yet guns are a national priority and drugs are meh. Add in opioids and alcohol and the left has a hell of a lot of blood on their hands. 

Liberalism is the definition of insanity. 

But disinformation is the definition of your take here.

The American Journal of Public Health found no increase in vehicle crash fatalities in Colorado and Washington, relative to similar states, after legalization.

Your IIHS study just looked at insurance claims for any collision, including minor fender benders. Yeah, big surprise, legalization drew in lots of out of state flatland drivers who don't have the experience to handle driving in mountainous and snowy conditions.

Further, the Tenorio study from Columbia University found that traffic deaths dropped an average of 11% in states that legalized medical cannabis. And that study was supported by similar results from a 2013 study in the Journal of Law and Economics.

But please do continue with the disinformation, you seem to be fond of it, and you're too intelligent to claim misinformation.

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28 minutes ago, mikewof said:

But disinformation is the definition of your take here.

The American Journal of Public Health found no increase in vehicle crash fatalities in Colorado and Washington, relative to similar states, after legalization.

Your IIHS study just looked at insurance claims for any collision, including minor fender benders. Yeah, big surprise, legalization drew in lots of out of state flatland drivers who don't have the experience to handle driving in mountainous and snowy conditions.

Further, the Tenorio study from Columbia University found that traffic deaths dropped an average of 11% in states that legalized medical cannabis. And that study was supported by similar results from a 2013 study in the Journal of Law and Economics.

But please do continue with the disinformation, you seem to be fond of it, and you're too intelligent to claim misinformation.

Mike, there is only 1 response he respects. He lies.

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2 hours ago, Ishmael said:

No, you are.

I'm thinking more of an example than a definition. An exhibit in the gallery

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Oh look, Flailing Malarkey got caught trying to preprocess the numbers again.

Crash Fatality Rates After Recreational Marijuana Legalization in Washington and Colorado

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Conclusions. Three years after recreational marijuana legalization, changes in motor vehicle crash fatality rates for Washington and Colorado were not statistically different from those in similar states without recreational marijuana legalization. Future studies over a longer time remain warranted.

 

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1 hour ago, lasal said:

No, they've been solid regulatory requirements agreed to by automakers to play on a level playing field. You know, liberalism. Welcome.

Utter bull shit. The is no regulation requiring:

  1. Side air curtains front seat
  2. Side air curtains Rear seat  
  3. knee bags
  4. passenger compartment integrity in a crash
  5. blind spot monitor
  6. lane departure warning 
  7. Lane keeping assist 
  8. auto braking crash mitigation
  9. pedestrian cross traffic detection
  10. backup cameras
  11. geolocation crash detection and auto assistance dispatch
  12. Backup child sensors
  13. Adaptive cruise control with full stop]
  14. distracted driver detection
  15. etc ..

People decided they would pay for these so the industry supplied them. Nothing to do with the government.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

The IIHS is monitoring traffic accidents in states where the drug is now legal. A sharp rise has been found in states after they legalize. Extrapolated across the country and it could kill 4000 plus each year. Once it is legal nationally and usage gains public acceptance, death could peak well beyond that estimate. 

Thanks, liberals. 

Should we criminalize alcohol to prevent drunk driving deaths?  You have an astonishing lack of critical thinking skills.  

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16 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Should we criminalize alcohol to prevent drunk driving deaths?  You have an astonishing lack of critical thinking skills.  

Mate, you're asking a guy claiming to be a Mormon. He's now stuck between answering as a good Mormon should or following the Republican party line of "prohibition of guns alcohol accomplishes nothing". 

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20 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Should we criminalize alcohol to prevent drunk driving deaths?  You have an astonishing lack of critical thinking skills.  

Yes would be my answer but until we civilized to the point that is possible I'll settle for 1 year in jail for 1st Dui's 2 years for a second and 5 years for a third and 10 years for an accident with injuries. 

Given the carnage in a car and out that alcohol causes it should be societies # 1 safety issue to address. 

But your straw question aside. Why would a sane nation want more deaths by legalizing weed? 

All the hate that the left directs toward gun owners and the response in this thread is to mock the innocents that stoned drivers kill. 

Like I said Liberalism is the definition of insanity.

 

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14 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Why would a sane nation want more deaths by legalizing weed? 

They wouldn't. Studies that some of us actually have the balls to link to show that one cannot show legalising weed has increased deaths. You're making shit up again, Jack.

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It's pretty clear that Jack know exactly zero about driving and being high. Here's a hint dum-dum - The number of people smoking weed before it was legalized will be exactly the same as after. The only difference is the number of people going to jail for smoking weed. Idiot.

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1 minute ago, bhyde said:

It's pretty clear that Jack know exactly zero about driving and being high. Here's a hint dum-dum - The number of people smoking weed before it was legalized will be exactly the same as after. The only difference is the number of people going to jail for smoking weed. Idiot.

Jack figures that without rules, people would drive have sex with multiple partners, run over children while driving drunk and of COURSE everyone would always be stoned. 
Cause that's what a Mormon would do if he didn't have all those rules to follow.

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4 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

So liberals think people killed by a driver high on drugs is a joke, Far more people than are killed by mass shootings yet guns are a national priority and drugs are meh. Add in opioids and alcohol and the left has a hell of a lot of blood on their hands. 

Liberalism is the definition of insanity. 

Lame.  

Please up your game.  

First Rush, and now you?

:( Sad.  

Declining Entertainment Factor means shriveling audience = fewer hits, which means you won’t be a Leading Indicator.  We depend on you to let us know where societal evolution is going.   We depend on YOU!!

This is unexpected- please refer to Our Beautiful President, and try not to get ahead of Him.  Hubris will be your downfall.  Trump will not tolerate it.  Be safe Malarky, the USA is littered with the bones of those who thought themselves the equal of our glorious leader.  Humility is your friend.  Obsequiousness your safe space-  rules exist to keep us from harm.  

Take a knee before it is too late, for God’s sake!!

I come to you from the blocked zone this one time to give you this gift, this message.  Heed Malarkey, Heed! Heed! Heed! hee he.......

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42 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Yes would be my answer but until we civilized to the point that is possible I'll settle for 1 year in jail for 1st Dui's 2 years for a second and 5 years for a third and 10 years for an accident with injuries. 

Given the carnage in a car and out that alcohol causes it should be societies # 1 safety issue to address. 

But your straw question aside. Why would a sane nation want more deaths by legalizing weed?

All the hate that the left directs toward gun owners and the response in this thread is to mock the innocents that stoned drivers kill. 

Like I said Liberalism is the definition of insanity.

 

Perhaps because the data actually supports fewer traffic fatalities with legal weed? 

Jack when you saw that data that supports what I wrote there, did you just dismiss it because it didn't fit your world view?

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The fact that Jack refers to weed as 'Mary Jane' tells you everything you need to know about Jack's understanding of the subject. He's simply an uninformed idiot and a lying piece-o-dung.

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22 minutes ago, mikewof said:

Perhaps because the data actually supports fewer traffic fatalities with legal weed? 

Jack when you saw that data that supports what I wrote there, did you just dismiss it because it didn't fit your world view?

My worldview is that drugs and alcohol do enormous harm. The deaths, disease, and ruined lives are a steep price to pay for this so-called "Recreational value"  

The fact that people will break the law to make, distribute and use these does not soften the misery. If "we can't stop it so why bother" is your moral standard for right and wrong, I feel sorry for you.

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43 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

 My worldview is that drugs and alcohol do enormous harm. The deaths, disease, and ruined lives are a steep price to pay for this so-called "Recreational value"  

 The fact that people will break the law to make, distribute and use these does not soften the misery. If "we can't stop it so why bother" is your moral standard for right and wrong, I feel sorry for you.

That's great. Feel like actually answering his question or are you going to keep pretending that we haven't linked you to data proving the foundation to your complaint in the OP is bullshit?

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2 hours ago, Bent Sailor said:

They wouldn't. Studies that some of us actually have the balls to link to show that one cannot show legalising weed has increased deaths. You're making shit up again, Jack.

Hasn't done Randumb any good though.

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4 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Utter bull shit. The is no regulation requiring:

  1. Side air curtains front seat
  2. Side air curtains Rear seat  
  3. knee bags
  4. passenger compartment integrity in a crash
  5. blind spot monitor
  6. lane departure warning 
  7. Lane keeping assist 
  8. auto braking crash mitigation
  9. pedestrian cross traffic detection
  10. backup cameras
  11. geolocation crash detection and auto assistance dispatch
  12. Backup child sensors
  13. Adaptive cruise control with full stop]
  14. distracted driver detection
  15. etc ..

People decided they would pay for these so the industry supplied them. Nothing to do with the government.

 

 

Funny, I don't have any of those things in my vehicles.

Then again, I actually know how to drive.....

FKT

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Since I started smoking LSD and injecting Mary Jane I have killed 100's of innocents by driving like a lunatic.

Scientists have estimated that a fatal dose of Mary Jane is about 15,000 pounds consumed in 15 minutes. Getting hit by a half-ton bale falling from 30,000 feet is also potentially fatal. 

I don't know about "liberalism" being the definition of insanity.....   How about believing that an angel handed some polygamous guy in New York a couple of golden plates with instructions on exactly how restrictive your underwear should be? 

Even by the loopy standards of most religions and pseudo-religions, Mormonism is pretty fucking out there. Believing that shit as well as believing the words of Trump and his crew of fuckwits would seem to be the Acme of insanity.

 

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13 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

The IIHS is monitoring traffic accidents in states where the drug is now legal. A sharp rise has been found in states after they legalize. Extrapolated across the country and it could kill 4000 plus each year. Once it is legal nationally and usage gains public acceptance, death could peak well beyond that estimate. 

Thanks, liberals. 

I'd say you're welcome since classical liberals like myself have been advocating the end of our stupid drug war for decades, but really there are plenty of Duopoly types who have come around on the topic.

IIHS statement
 

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October 2018

Marijuana, derived from the cannabis plant, is a drug with recreational and medicinal uses. Its use, however, can have implications for highway safety. Reviews of experimental studies report that recent marijuana use can reduce performance in both simulated and on-road driving, but the effects of marijuana are inconsistent. In some studies, drivers who smoked marijuana had slower reaction times and greater lane position variation, compared with drivers in placebo conditions. Other studies failed to find such differences in reaction time and lane position variation. In addition, drivers who recently smoked marijuana drove more slowly and allowed more headway when following other vehicles, compared with drivers in placebo conditions.

 

So the bolded part indicates that studies are incomplete at best, not surprising given how difficult drug warriors make it to study this drug.

The thread topic article:

https://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/desktopnews/crashes-rise-in-first-states-to-begin-legalized-retail-sales-of-recreational-marijuana
 

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HLDI analysts estimate that the frequency of collision claims per insured vehicle year rose a combined 6 percent following the start of retail sales of recreational marijuana in Colorado, Nevada, Oregon and Washington, compared with the control states of Idaho, Montana, Utah and Wyoming. The combined-state analysis is based on collision loss data from January 2012 through October 2017.

Analysts controlled for differences in the rated driver population, insured vehicle fleet, the mix of urban versus rural exposure, unemployment, weather and seasonality.

 

So, with incomplete studies, they "controlled" for all those factors. Means: took a guess at the effects of all those factors.

It's true that insurance companies have data that enables them to be creepily accurate about how and when we'll all die, how often we'll crash our cars, etc.

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The size of the effect varied by state. Although the study controlled for several differences among the states, the models can't capture every single difference. For example, marijuana laws in Colorado, Oregon and Washington differ in terms of daily purchase limits, sales taxes and available options for home growers. These differences can influence how often consumers buy marijuana, where they buy it and where they consume it.

They could influence consumption, if there were not a readily available black market. But there is, and will continue to be as long as we continue this stupid prohibition policy.

As for the guess of 4,000 traffic deaths. Well, like any guess, maybe. Maybe not. And maybe the violent black market will claim fewer lives. Maybe we'll see less looting by police. Maybe less official corruption. Maybe more effective treatment for drug users than prison.

And maybe, if we brought back alcohol prohibition, we could reduce drunk driving deaths. And vastly expand deaths in a violent black market, vastly expand official corruption, vastly expand police looting, further damage our fourth amendment rights with more prohibition precedents, etc. But we'd reduce drunk driving deaths a bit! Um, still a bad idea.

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3 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

My worldview is that drugs and alcohol do enormous harm. The deaths, disease, and ruined lives are a steep price to pay for this so-called "Recreational value"  

The fact that people will break the law to make, distribute and use these does not soften the misery. If "we can't stop it so why bother" is your moral standard for right and wrong, I feel sorry for you.

Failed big government programs do enormous harm.

Prohibition of alcohol was one. Prohibition of cannabis is another.

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4 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Jack figures that without rules, people would drive have sex with multiple partners, run over children while driving drunk and of COURSE everyone would always be stoned. 
Cause that's what a Mormon would do if he didn't have all those rules to follow.

But Jack does have multiple wives, so he’s part way there. 

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13 hours ago, Fakenews said:

Hope you partake..

The asswipe uses rectally. Inserts bong up asshole 

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Personally, I believe the tough criminalization laws allowed for police / prosecutors to become capricious, using possession as a proxy for crimes they couldn't actually convict and a tool to extort information.  I consider both a threat to liberty in general by creating distrust between the governors and governed.

It is possible to both decriminalize and to counter-incentivize the behavior through education/advocacy. 

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1 hour ago, Happy said:

Since I started smoking LSD and injecting Mary Jane I have killed 100's of innocents by driving like a lunatic.

Scientists have estimated that a fatal dose of Mary Jane is about 15,000 pounds consumed in 15 minutes. Getting hit by a half-ton bale falling from 30,000 feet is also potentially fatal. 

I don't know about "liberalism" being the definition of insanity.....   How about believing that an angel handed some polygamous guy in New York a couple of golden plates with instructions on exactly how restrictive your underwear should be? 

Even by the loopy standards of most religions and pseudo-religions, Mormonism is pretty fucking out there. Believing that shit as well as believing the words of Trump and his crew of fuckwits would seem to be the Acme of insanity.

 

‘Acme of Insanity’ - nice phrase-

A tale from Big Houses-

The whole polygamy thing is pretty intense.  Years ago, the ‘official’ local Mormon piano tuner divorced his wife and kids, and took up with a glamorous non Mormon :o, and for some reason, his Mormon piano player clients (most Mormons have pianos) were calling me, a lapsed Unitarian :lol:, for a few years, until they found a suitable Mormon piano tuner to take my non Mormon place.  Scattered among the believers, who were nice normal folks, were what I’d consider hardcore polygamists, in huge houses, a cast of related thousands living inside.  What I came away with from all of this was that polygamy was really hard on the guys who practiced it- they were spending staggering amounts of energy earning the seriously enormous amounts of moolah, and exerting the ‘political skill’ it took to keep a structure like that going.  Usually one of the senior wifes was in actual internal command, but some of the male heads of the households insisted on doing it all- like making all the appointments, taking time off work to supervise everybody who came in the House, write all the checks, etc - kind of like a rigidly authoritarian middle class Downton Abbey without paid servants.  Men who reveled in the absolute certainty of their belief, the righteousness of what they had created, and the authority they yearned to possess. They burned out young!  A lot of them would mercilessly pester anyone who came in their House to convince them of the superiority of their belief system, in addition to the rest of their self appointed duties.  Kept ‘em going, I thought.  Looked really fun with gobs of teenagers around, and wives competing for power and attention. This was before the internet, so I can only imagine the scene now.

The lesson, if any? Would-be Kings are all around us......

And they are posting! :lol:

 

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15 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

The IIHS is monitoring traffic accidents in states where the drug is now legal. A sharp rise has been found in states after they legalize. Extrapolated across the country and it could kill 4000 plus each year. Once it is legal nationally and usage gains public acceptance, death could peak well beyond that estimate. 

Thanks, liberals. 

Those terrible liberals.

Noted objective observer Olsonist had this to say about me:

On 9/10/2018 at 9:34 PM, Olsonist said:
On 9/10/2018 at 8:31 PM, Uncooperative Tom said:

I knew there had to be something likeable about the guy.

Yes. That’s because you’re a Republican.


So I want to take the opportunity to apologize for all my partisan Republican rhetoric in this thread.

Because it does kind of illustrate that partisans ascribe tribal identity based on our prohibition programs.

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8 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

Those terrible liberals.

Noted objective observer Olsonist had this to say about me:


So I want to take the opportunity to apologize for all my partisan Republican rhetoric in this thread.

Because it does kind of illustrate that partisans ascribe tribal identity based on our prohibition programs.

I prefer tribal identity based on rimfires, vs. centerfires. Or based on M-16's vs. the Bushmaster. Or based on Adam Winkler vs. Joe. Or based on Bloomberg's money vs. Koch's money.

I prefer tribal identity based on us vs. them. 

 

Rinse and repeat, until Citizen's United is actually Corporations United.

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16 hours ago, inneedofadvice said:

So as soon as became legal all these people immediately started smoking up and driving. Good that they never did it before.

 

^^^ So very fine. Great post.

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3 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

Failed big government programs do enormous harm.

 

Particularly when they don't know when to stop.

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7 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

My worldview is that drugs and alcohol do enormous harm. The deaths, disease, and ruined lives are a steep price to pay for this so-called "Recreational value"  

The fact that people will break the law to make, distribute and use these does not soften the misery. If "we can't stop it so why bother" is your moral standard for right and wrong, I feel sorry for you.

In your world view, a plant that grows from the ground, has the second highest concentration of linolic and linolinic oils, and has been used a food for thousands of years is a "drug" that "ruins lives"?

While highly refined sugar, subject to scores of industrial processes, known to be responsible for tens of billions of dollars of public health costs with dialysis and diabetes, is not a "drug"?

I would suggest that your religious-based worldview is perhaps flawed and the dogma may be in need of an intellectual correction. That you "feel sorry" for me as you are able to ignore these realities is testament to the need for this correction. The reality to which you blind yourself is that the LDS community has major problems with prescription pharmaceuticals abuse because they tend not to consider these "drugs." https://www.wnyc.org/story/drug-overdoses-and-lds-community/

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7 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

My worldview is that drugs and alcohol do enormous harm. The deaths, disease, and ruined lives are a steep price to pay for this so-called "Recreational value"  

The fact that people will break the law to make, distribute and use these does not soften the misery. If "we can't stop it so why bother" is your moral standard for right and wrong, I feel sorry for you.

To be fair to you, the cult you belong to also tells you caffeine is a gateway drug.

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7 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

My worldview is that drugs and alcohol do enormous harm. The deaths, disease, and ruined lives are a steep price to pay for this so-called "Recreational value"  

The fact that people will break the law to make, distribute and use these does not soften the misery. If "we can't stop it so why bother" is your moral standard for right and wrong, I feel sorry for you.

Your worldview also claims that god gave a pedophile the words to edition 3 of the Bible.

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29 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

To be fair to you, the cult you belong to also tells you caffeine is a gateway drug.

LDS is no more a "cult" than any other form of Christianity. Possibly even no.more of a "cult" than Gator Nation.

As for caffeine, it's definitely a drug, a delightful, life-enhancing, pleasing drug. But by that measure, so is magnesium, sex and video games.

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1 minute ago, mikewof said:

LDS is no more a "cult" than any other form of Christianity. Possibly even less of a "cult" than Gator Nation.

I had a childhood friend, gay and brilliant, student body prez and football team captain as well, ht around 5'9". His grandmother was steeped in supposedly high level LDS mysticism. He was processing it , and spoke of it pretty often, generally, but it was secret stuff, of course.

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17 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

The IIHS is monitoring traffic accidents in states where the drug is now legal. A sharp rise has been found in states after they legalize. Extrapolated across the country and it could kill 4000 plus each year. Once it is legal nationally and usage gains public acceptance, death could peak well beyond that estimate. 

Thanks, liberals. 

Guns kill more and I'm not for gun control. Monitor all you like. I personally hate hypocrites, how about you?

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Just think, with all these new accidents happening, the risk to all the Ridgelines out there is higher than ever. The drywall industry may never recover!!

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6 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Hasn't done Randumb any good though.

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Malarkey expressing a world view!!!!  YCMTSU:lol:

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10 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Yes would be my answer but until we civilized to the point that is possible I'll settle for 1 year in jail for 1st Dui's 2 years for a second and 5 years for a third and 10 years for an accident with injuries. 

Given the carnage in a car and out that alcohol causes it should be societies # 1 safety issue to address. 

But your straw question aside. Why would a sane nation want more deaths by legalizing weed? 

All the hate that the left directs toward gun owners and the response in this thread is to mock the innocents that stoned drivers kill. 

Like I said Liberalism is the definition of insanity.

 

I wonder how many years you did for killing a kid.

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6 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Funny, I don't have any of those things in my vehicles.

Then again, I actually know how to drive.....

FKT

The arrogance of a numbskull. The hardest lesson to teach my kids when they learned to drive is that their skill is only half the issue. The best driver in the world can still get T-Bones by a drunk or stoned asshole. 

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17 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

The arrogance of a numbskull. The hardest lesson to teach my kids when they learned to drive is that their skill is only half the issue. The best driver in the world can still get T-Bones by a drunk or stoned asshole. 

It must suck to live in constant fear.

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5 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

I'd say you're welcome since classical liberals like myself have been advocating the end of our stupid drug war for decades, but really there are plenty of Duopoly types who have come around on the topic.

IIHS statement
 

So the bolded part indicates that studies are incomplete at best, not surprising given how difficult drug warriors make it to study this drug.

The thread topic article:

https://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/desktopnews/crashes-rise-in-first-states-to-begin-legalized-retail-sales-of-recreational-marijuana
 

So, with incomplete studies, they "controlled" for all those factors. Means: took a guess at the effects of all those factors.

It's true that insurance companies have data that enables them to be creepily accurate about how and when we'll all die, how often we'll crash our cars, etc.

They could influence consumption, if there were not a readily available black market. But there is, and will continue to be as long as we continue this stupid prohibition policy.

As for the guess of 4,000 traffic deaths. Well, like any guess, maybe. Maybe not. And maybe the violent black market will claim fewer lives. Maybe we'll see less looting by police. Maybe less official corruption. Maybe more effective treatment for drug users than prison.

And maybe, if we brought back alcohol prohibition, we could reduce drunk driving deaths. And vastly expand deaths in a violent black market, vastly expand official corruption, vastly expand police looting, further damage our fourth amendment rights with more prohibition precedents, etc. But we'd reduce drunk driving deaths a bit! Um, still a bad idea.

I suppose the same logic would apply to many vices. 

How about a heroine?  Some studies suggest addicts can function at a reasonable level if you remove the issue of affording and access to the drug. Vancouver Canada was the site of one such study where they provided the drug twice a day to addicts.

B.C. gives up on its addicts and decides to just keep them on drugs ...

https://nationalpost.com/.../b-c-gives-up-on-its-addicts-and-decides-to-just-keep-them-on...

Feb 14, 2018 - B.C. gives up on its addicts and decides to just keep them on drugs ... Crosstown Clinic in the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver, B.C., on April 6, 2016. ... is actively expanding access to both heroin-assisted-treatment and the ...

Others include

Norway to give hundreds of drug addicts free heroin to 'improve quality ...

https://www.independent.co.uk › LIFE › PULSE › Health News

Aug 10, 2018 - Norway will trial an experimental scheme to provide drug addicts with free heroin in a bid to combat the country’s overdose epidemic. The government announced that the Norwegian Directorate for Health and Social Affairs was asked to propose a program that would improve the ...

But there is a difference between these approaches and just legalizing the drug. A 21 year-old can't walk into one of these clinics and say "hey I wanna try heroin" 

So I ask you should

  • Fentanyl 
  • Hydrocodone
  • Hydromorphone
  • Meperidine
  • Morphine
  • Oxycodone

Be legal and over the counter for an adult? 

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5 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

Failed big government programs do enormous harm.

Prohibition of alcohol was one. Prohibition of cannabis is another.

Legalized alcohol and drugs do what? No harm? Does your brilliant logic extend to 

  • Fentanyl 
  • Hydrocodone
  • Hydromorphone
  • Meperidine
  • Morphine
  • Oxycodone
  • heroin

The cost of alcohol addiction (INFOGRAPHIC)

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14 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

You are an idiot to argue only those that smoked it illegally before now smoke it legally. 

That is not what I said get your wife or another adult to explain what I said as you are an obtuse dipshit

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From this report

Magnitude of alcohol-related intimate partner violence
Studies of intimate partner violence routinely identify recent con-­

sumption of alcohol by perpetrators. Estimates vary between 
countries. In the United States of America, and in England and 
Wales, victims believed their partners to have been drinking 
prior 
to a physical assault in 55%  and 3%  of cases respec-­
tively. In Australia, 36% of intimate partner homicide offenders 
were under the influence of alcohol at the time of the incident

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2 minutes ago, HuronBouy said:

That is not what I said get your wife or another adult to explain what I said as you are an obtuse dipshit

It is EXACTLY what you said.

"Fuck you are an idiot people smoked pot before it was legal. Are you suggesting that because it is legal people will act more irresponsibly? If so how does that work?   

Here in civilization polls indicate that no more or no less people will use pot this is also been found in States where it is legal. So fuck off with half baked attacks on Liberals."  

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1 minute ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

It is EXACTLY what you said.

"Fuck you are an idiot people smoked pot before it was legal. Are you suggesting that because it is legal people will act more irresponsibly? If so how does that work?   

Here in civilization polls indicate that no more or no less people will use pot this is also been found in States where it is legal. So fuck off with half baked attacks on Liberals."  

I all can say is wow you really need to learn English I am done with you 

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12 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:
14 hours ago, lasal said:

No, they've been solid regulatory requirements agreed to by automakers to play on a level playing field. You know, liberalism. Welcome.

Utter bull shit. The is no regulation requiring:

  1. Side air curtains front seat
  2. Side air curtains Rear seat  
  3. knee bags
  4. passenger compartment integrity in a crash
  5. blind spot monitor
  6. lane departure warning 
  7. Lane keeping assist 
  8. auto braking crash mitigation
  9. pedestrian cross traffic detection
  10. backup cameras
  11. geolocation crash detection and auto assistance dispatch
  12. Backup child sensors
  13. Adaptive cruise control with full stop]
  14. distracted driver detection
  15. etc ..

People decided they would pay for these so the industry supplied them. Nothing to do with the government.

Seatbelts, airbags, antilock  brakes, stability control, and tire pressure monitoring, are effective, agreed upon regulation and look, now new safety features are also selling features. Liberalism. It's the invisible hand of good government.

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this is your brain, this (thread) is your brain on malarkey....any questions?

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1 hour ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

I suppose the same logic would apply to many vices. 

How about a heroine?  Some studies suggest addicts can function at a reasonable level if you remove the issue of affording and access to the drug. Vancouver Canada was the site of one such study where they provided the drug twice a day to addicts.

B.C. gives up on its addicts and decides to just keep them on drugs ...

https://nationalpost.com/.../b-c-gives-up-on-its-addicts-and-decides-to-just-keep-them-on...

Feb 14, 2018 - B.C. gives up on its addicts and decides to just keep them on drugs ... Crosstown Clinic in the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver, B.C., on April 6, 2016. ... is actively expanding access to both heroin-assisted-treatment and the ...

Others include

Norway to give hundreds of drug addicts free heroin to 'improve quality ...

https://www.independent.co.uk › LIFE › PULSE › Health News

Aug 10, 2018 - Norway will trial an experimental scheme to provide drug addicts with free heroin in a bid to combat the country’s overdose epidemic. The government announced that the Norwegian Directorate for Health and Social Affairs was asked to propose a program that would improve the ...

But there is a difference between these approaches and just legalizing the drug. A 21 year-old can't walk into one of these clinics and say "hey I wanna try heroin" 

So I ask you should

  • Fentanyl 
  • Hydrocodone
  • Hydromorphone
  • Meperidine
  • Morphine
  • Oxycodone

Be legal and over the counter for an adult? 

Yes, and the money we waste on our stupid failed WOD should be spent on treatment and protecting kids.  

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31 minutes ago, lasal said:

Seatbelts, airbags, antilock  brakes, stability control, and tire pressure monitoring, are effective, agreed upon regulation and look, now new safety features are also selling features. Liberalism. It's the invisible hand of good government.

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September 1, 2013 is when stability control and anti-lock brakes were mandated. 

My 1992 honda accord had ABS. My 2007 Ridgeline has Stability control and ABS.

September 1, 2007  suitable TPMS technology in all light motor vehicles (under 10,000 pounds), to help alert drivers of under-inflation events.

My ridgeline was purchased in 2006.  

Most mandates since seatbelts and front airbags have come after the feature was ubiquitous. 

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26 minutes ago, LenP said:

Yes, and the money we waste on our stupid failed WOD should be spent on treatment and protecting kids.  

I agree with Len and would add the the problems we see continuing or expanding are getting better in Portugal.

Prison isn't a great answer to addiction. Drug prohibition is a dangerous failure.

Malarkey, do you agree with the fedgov that heroin and cannabis are pretty much the same thing, so both should be Schedule 1 Drugs? That's a common Duopoly view expressed by Drug Czars of recent administrations. Is that why you switched from the thread topic to heroin?

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25 minutes ago, LenP said:

Yes, and the money we waste on our stupid failed WOD should be spent on treatment and protecting kids.  

We spend far more cleaning up the mess alcohol and now legal weed causes. You are apparently blind to the horrific human cost of addictions. 

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