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maybe the rightwing media should send reporters and ask them.

maybe the rightwing media should ask the white house why DHS isn't doing their job despite spending billions more under Trump and hiring thousands more - and still needs reinforcement.

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50 minutes ago, Dog said:

Can you explain why it is that these people who are so truly desperate to escape from Honduras are waving the Honduran flag?

How much did you want to be American? If one of the conditions to citizenship was to trek the same distance as these guys with your wife and young would you have?

About that flag fixation, who knows, ask the person waving it around, maybe they love their country just can't live there without getting murdered, maybe they use it as a sheet and were drying it, maybe someone asked them to wave it around while taking pics? 

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

Can you explain why it is that these people who are so truly desperate to escape from Honduras are waving the Honduran flag?

Do you still have Maple trees in your yard?

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5 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Do you still have Maple trees in your yard?

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43 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

maybe the rightwing media should send reporters and ask them.

maybe the rightwing media should ask the white house why DHS isn't doing their job despite spending billions more under Trump and hiring thousands more - and still needs reinforcement.

I haven't seen any of the alates interviewing them.

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5 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Uh.... cloove hitch seems to be one of them.  Might want to ask what he means.

Lost your sarcasm filter I see.

 

How about this:

   On 10/24/2018 at 6:28 AM,  Clove Hitch said: 

Let 'em in and let 'em vote!

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5 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I've been saying this for a really long time now.  

But did you do it in Gothic font?
Well? Did ya? Punk!

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3 hours ago, Dog said:

So should they but how many will?

Pretty much all of them. 

it's not like they're sneaking up and have hired Coyotes to smuggle them in.

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8 hours ago, Dog said:

? 

Simple question.

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12 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:
12 hours ago, Dog said:

Should we let them in?

We should follow existing laws and procedures(at least the non barbaric ones like putting kids in cages) that are applicable to the individuals involved

 

So what do we do with the 7000 people while their cases are pending?  Just let them loose in the US and hope they show up for their court date in 2022?  

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11 hours ago, lasal said:

It's breathtakingly simple minded to buy into that shit, but they do. Pretending that people are out for a little stroll across the length of Mexico with their young families in tow for any reason other than true desperation is shameless. How we treat the weakest among us will be remembered.

That's utter BS!  I very clearly said in my earlier post #48 that they are desperate.  But there's a lot of desperation all over the planet.  There's a metric shit ton of desperation in just the Americas.  There's even desperation right here in the good ole US of A.  My point is and my question that everyone has deliberately avoided is:  Where do we draw the line?  We cannot save everyone by bringing them or admitting them to the US.

When we can look every single one of our own citizens in the eye and say we've done everything possible for you as a society to make your life better, given you every opportunity to succeed and not live in dire poverty and not have your kids live in dangerous slums and go to shitty schools..... then and ONLY THEN am I willing to look at fixing the rest of the world's problems.  

And I'm not suggesting we can't multi-task by cutting all aid to the world.  But I would rather concentrate our efforts at stopping the migrant flows to the US by working to help make those countries safer and less fragile and reduce or remove the conditions that causes them to send floods of economic migrants north to our border.  I look at this issue of making these nations more stable as a national security issue for the US.

But we still need to make sure that we are taking care of our own people first.  What's the old saying.......  Charity starts at home.

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9 hours ago, Raz'r said:
14 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Uh.... cloove hitch seems to be one of them.  Might want to ask what he means.

Lost your sarcasm filter I see.

I'm pretty sure it was not sarcasm.  I seem to recall Clove hoof saying numerous times in these past immigration threads that he wants zero borders and a free flow of migrants.  I just can't be bothered to search to find his posts.  

@Clove Hitch - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this.

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6 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

So what do we do with the 7000 people while their cases are pending?  Just let them loose in the US and hope they show up for their court date in 2022?  

What do we do with asylum seekers now? Why - other than rightwing media attention - are these seekers special?

I'm not saying you rightwingers are stupid, I'm just saying you are easily duped by sparkly ponys spoonfed to you by the shit conservative media.

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37 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

What do we do with asylum seekers now? Why - other than rightwing media attention - are these seekers special?

I'm not saying you rightwingers are stupid, I'm just saying you are easily duped by sparkly ponys spoonfed to you by the shit conservative media.

We turn them loose in the country and they disappear. Is that what we should do with this caravan and the one following it and the one behind that?

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it's early and Dog's already lying. he's got his coffee, his fringe rigth wing hate media out and he's outraged! 7,000 trained central americans are just over the border and they are coming for him!

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9 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

it's early and Dog's already lying. he's got his coffee, his fringe rigth wing hate media out and he's outraged! 7,000 trained central americans are just over the border and they are coming for him!

What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

Set up a station that will swear them in as citizens and register them to vote- Democrat of course. 

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8 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

tell them where the white women at.

No really.....What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

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1 minute ago, Dog said:

No really.....What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

What happened with the last one?

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8 minutes ago, Sean said:

What happened with the last one?

What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

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1 hour ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

will these future caravans have middle easterners in them?

Who the fuck knows, they will have foreigners in them...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

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2 hours ago, Dog said:

What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

A few strafing runs ought to take care of it. I’m sure Mexico wouldn’t mind, and it would be an excellent test of F-35 capabilities. 

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1 hour ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

I was told there are lots of middle easterners in the current caravan. Possible dangerous terrorists among them. Was that a lie?

It could be a lie, I don't know...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

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2 hours ago, Sean said:

A few strafing runs ought to take care of it. I’m sure Mexico wouldn’t mind, and it would be an excellent test of F-35 capabilities. 

No really...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

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1 minute ago, Dog said:

No really...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

 

Putting their kids in concentration camps ought to do it...... oh wait

I know! Let's skew the wealth & income distribution of the USA so far that the 0.1% literally own absolutely everything including the future, and everybody else lives in fear & miserable poverty. Then they'll stop wanting to come here in the first place.

Voting Republican should cover both options!

-DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

Putting their kids in concentration camps ought to do it...... oh wait

I know! Let's skew the wealth & income distribution of the USA so far that the 0.1% literally own absolutely everything including the future, and everybody else lives in fear & miserable poverty. Then they'll stop wanting to come here in the first place.

Voting Republican should cover both options!

-DSK

No really...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

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3 minutes ago, Dog said:

No really...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

Let them in and put them up at your place.

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2 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Let them in and put them up at your place.

No really...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

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16 minutes ago, Dog said:

No really...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

Let them in. Process them for amnesty, or whatever, later. Cannot be any worse that the millions of immigrants that preceded them. In the meantime discuss the terrible regimes we underwrite in their home countries. Immigration of refugees is one of the hidden costs of policy and endless war. Time to pay up.

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13 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

So what do we do with the 7000 people while their cases are pending?  Just let them loose in the US and hope they show up for their court date in 2022?  

Hmm, I seem to remember a law and order type guy on this board, who used to say "don't like the law, change it"

Who was that cowboy?

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27 minutes ago, Dog said:

No really...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

Nothing. We don't have any responsibilities unless and until someone shows up with a case for amnesty. Then we follow our treaty obligations and laws. Might help to staff a few more folks for that.

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8 minutes ago, El Boracho said:

Let them in. Process them for amnesty, or whatever, later. Cannot be any worse that the millions of immigrants that preceded them. In the meantime discuss the terrible regimes we underwrite in their home countries. Immigration of refugees is one of the hidden costs of policy and endless war. Time to pay up.

So, you agree with Trump on stopping aid to Guatemala and Honduras.

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17 minutes ago, Dog said:

No really...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

If history is any guide, fewer than a third of these migrants will show up at the US border. Granted, that’s still a lot of people. Mexico claims the group is now down to fewer than 4,000, with over 1,700 having applied for asylum in Mexico.

They're a thousand miles away now, walking.  That’s a month or more. Our Fearless Leader is harping on this non stop for political reasons, I suspect we will hear much less about it after the election.

We have a process for determining if asylum is warranted, it should be used. Those whe meet the rather high bar to reach refugee status should be granted asylum, those who don’t should be turned away. I’m sure some small percentage will try to cross illegally if they are denied entry, most of those will be arrested and deported I would think. 

 The way Trump portrays it, these are mobs of “bad hombres” bent on killing our wives and children. Of course that’s simply not true. 

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15 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

So, you agree with Trump on stopping aid to Guatemala and Honduras.

Negative. The $1 or $2 each US household pays for aid in those countries should probably be increased. Take it out of the ICE budget. It will be a great investment. Eliminate whatever the CIA is screwing around with down there, too. US aid wouldn't even pay for the ICE's fab windbreakers. It is truly ridiculous.

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Jeff and Dog actually do (getting a headache thinking about it) have a point.

By USA standards, plenty of the third world would count as desperate circumstances or worse even without being part of a group being specifically targeted.  

So what is the upper limit of asylum seekers and what do we do with them while waiting to determine their cases?

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9 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

So what is the upper limit of asylum seekers and what do we do with them while waiting to determine their cases?

Ask again when there is a taco truck on every corner. I love good tacos.

But more seriously, do the arithmetic. If this 'huge' caravan repeated every week, which it won't, for ten years, which it won't, these hard working grateful honest humans...families...will comprise less than 1% of the U.S. population. Even if they do the unthinkable...breed. Not quite as big a deal as the bloviator is ranting on about to try to save his precious gold-leaf oligarchy from it's self-induced political suicide.

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58 minutes ago, El Boracho said:

Negative. The $1 or $2 each US household pays for aid in those countries should probably be increased. Take it out of the ICE budget. It will be a great investment. Eliminate whatever the CIA is screwing around with down there, too. US aid wouldn't even pay for the ICE's fab windbreakers. It is truly ridiculous.

So, you want to continue to pay their oppressive governments to line the pockets of the rich.

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Just now, Deplorable1 said:

Those democrats who want to increase aid to those corrupt governments should feel free to send them more of their own money. Democrats love spending other people’s money. 

Name the party: Controls all the branches of government. Allows increased spending across the board. Record deficit, too. Now in a short essay compare with the opposition party's record.

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2 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

So, you want to continue to pay their oppressive governments to line the pockets of the rich.

Well that there is a difficult problem, yes. But many seem unconcerned about the same issue here at home. 

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28 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Jeff and Dog actually do (getting a headache thinking about it) have a point.

By USA standards, plenty of the third world would count as desperate circumstances or worse even without being part of a group being specifically targeted.  

So what is the upper limit of asylum seekers and what do we do with them while waiting to determine their cases?

We're kinda stuck - we have treaty obligations and laws to follow. Many of these people will be turned away. Some will be admitted for further processing. 

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1 hour ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

No really ... Why should we do anything different this time?

Well, if it's necessary to state the obvious, because the way we do it now sucks. They are turned loose in the country and disappear.

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Here's my solution, end all processing of applications at points of entry. All applications are processed at the US embassy or a consulate in the country where they are located. Show up at the border undocumented and you get sent to the embassy. If Mexico lets them in they're Mexico's problem until processed. 

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Okay children with the Red Hats, allow grandpa, who is from the era you long for, explain how this is going to go down. You need to plan ahead. Soon the glorious leader's tax cuts will begin to work their magic. The trickle down rapture will occur. You will effortlessly claim the great wealth your pale complexions entitle you to. MAGA will be at hand. You will need people to clean the pool.

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2 hours ago, Dog said:

Well, if it's necessary to state the obvious, because the way we do it now sucks. They are turned loose in the country and disappear.

You got some stats on that?

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30 minutes ago, Sean said:

You got some stats on that?

How about 11 million illegals?

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3 hours ago, Dog said:

Here's my solution, end all processing of applications at points of entry. All applications are processed at the US embassy or a consulate in the country where they are located. Show up at the border undocumented and you get sent to the embassy. If Mexico lets them in they're Mexico's problem until processed. 

I'm sure your congress-critter will get right on that.

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47 minutes ago, Dog said:

How about 11 million illegals?

You prove your ignorance in news ways, just about every day. Let's mix up some apples and concrete, shall we?

People smuggled or sneaking across the border are the absolute opposite of people who claim and are processed for asylum cases. For one thing, the latter is a LEGAL way to enter the country. They are not here "illegally."

 

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52 minutes ago, Dog said:

How about 11 million illegals?

That’s a lot of caravans. I wonder why that never made the news?

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23 minutes ago, Sean said:

That’s a lot of caravans. I wonder why that never made the news?

They all snuck in while Obama was off golfing.

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4 hours ago, Deplorable1 said:

Democrats often confuse debt and deficit. The previous administration, which embraced socialism, increased the National debt more than all previous administrations combined. That is a feat to be proud of. 

It's also a lie to be proud of

Aside for being untrue, it's also a statement made in ignorance. The biggest contributor to the steep increase in US debt 2009~2017 was putting the Iraq War on the books. The other was the gazillion dollar crash in the economy under the previous administration

-DSK

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24 minutes ago, Deplorable1 said:

Democrats have no grasp of the difference between a million, a billion, and a trillion. 

But do you know the difference between a billion and a trillion?

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No need.    1x10is shorter and easier.   

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5 hours ago, Dog said:

Well, if it's necessary to state the obvious, because the way we do it now sucks. They are turned loose in the country and disappear.

Clearly. If our immigration system worked, you'd still be in Canada.

 But you're now free to roam about the country. Please note when the captain rings the bell, to go back to your seat, and assume the position.

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5 hours ago, Sean said:

You got some stats on that?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/234386/failure-to-appear-for-us-immigration-court-proceedings/

From the DOJ

Highlights from today’s released data include the following:

 

  • EOIR is beginning to reverse a downward trajectory of completions despite historic levels of new cases, less cases closed due to administrative closure, and an increase in recalendared cases. Last year, EOIR completed more cases than any year since FY12, and is on pace to complete approximately 184,000 cases by the end of FY18.
  • The projected decrease of Inactive Pending Cases, which are not currently on the active docket following an immigration judge’s order of administrative closure. Inactive Pending Cases grew by nearly 75,000 cases from the end of FY15 to the end of FY17, but are expected to decline by 2 percent by the end of FY18. This would mark the first decrease in Inactive Pending Cases in at least ten fiscal years.
  • The number of removal orders in absentia for cases in which an asylum application has been filed is projected to increase by approximately 40 percent by the end of FY18. The overall number of in absentia removal orders is projected to increase by 10% by the end of FY18 and by nearly 40 percent over FY16.
  • Median Completion Time for Detained Cases is expected to decrease 7.5 percent, which would mark the second year of decline in a row following nine years of increases.
  • Defensive asylum applications, including cases where an alien passed a credible fear screening, increased by almost 100,000 between FY12 and FY17; however, the number of defensive asylum applications granted increased by only about 4,000 over the same time period. The nationwide grant rate for all asylum applications is approximately 22 percent.
  • UAC cases have increased by almost 1,300 percent since FY12, though EOIR is adjudicating Pending UAC Cases at a faster rate than previous years. Pending UAC Cases are projected to increase by approximately 14 percent. At the end of FY14, EOIR had 177 percent more pending cases than the prior fiscal year. In the next two fiscal years combined (i.e., FY15 and FY16), EOIR added 32,852 Pending UAC Cases, which totals nearly 43 percent of the current Pending UAC Case total. Almost two-thirds of UAC cases have been pending for at least one year, and 11 percent have been pending for over three years.

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10 hours ago, Dog said:

No really...What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

You DO realize don't you that neither you or I will ever get a straight answer here to our questions.  They are incapable of answering.  Either because they don't know and don't care.  Or because they do know that they will be released into the Gen Pop and most will disappear into the ether and that will destroy their narrative that unchecked immigration is all fine and good.  

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9 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

No really ... Why should we do anything different this time?

So you advocate do the same thing we did with the last one?? 

Ok, I guess you're fine with kids being separated from their parents upon entering the country and then kept here while the parents are sent back home.  I didn't think you were that much of a dick, but I guess even you can surprise me.

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3 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

So you advocate do the same thing we did with the last one?? 

Ok, I guess you're fine with kids being separated from their parents upon entering the country and then kept here while the parents are sent back home.  I didn't think you were that much of a dick, but I guess even you can surprise me.

awww, petal needs some attention!

should I have put it in purple so your dumb ass could see I was shoving Dog's dumb fucking game up his ass?

edit: it's clear you don't actually read anything any more, you are just a slightly more literate malarkey. kudos, fuckface.

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9 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Hmm, I seem to remember a law and order type guy on this board, who used to say "don't like the law, change it"

Who was that cowboy?

That was me.  And I'm trying desperately to get the law changed.  But we are not even following the law now.  The "Law" was never intended for tens of thousands of asylum seekers to arrive at the border every month or two and have the system backed up for years.  These people will be given court dates at best years into the future and most will never show up once they are out in the wind.  I'm sorry, but that is not the way the law was intended to work.  

Furthermore, if you really want to play "law and order" card.... then fine.  Let these "asylum seekers" in but round up and deport ALL the other 13 million illegal immigrants here now.  That's a fair trade.  We would be following the law to the letter.  Happy?

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1 minute ago, Shootist Jeff said:

That was me.  And I'm trying desperately to get the law changed.  But we are not even following the law now.  The "Law" was never intended for tens of thousands of asylum seekers to arrive at the border every month or two

stupid fuck you are princess

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total-refugee-admissions-per-fiscal-year

what changed other than you got yours, you geriatric queen?

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22 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

But there's a lot of desperation all over the planet.  There's a metric shit ton of desperation in just the Americas.  There's even desperation right here in the good ole US of A.  My point is and my question that everyone has deliberately avoided is:  Where do we draw the line?  We cannot save everyone by bringing them or admitting them to the US.

Maybe you should draw the line somewhere under the people who have to flee their countries because they are unsafe due to drug cartels running things.  Even you should recognize that the problems these people are facing at home are due to the drug use by people in the USA.  If 'mericans didn't need to get fucked up on illegal substances there would be no caravan from South America.  Since 'merica is the root cause of the problem maybe 'merica needs to be responsible for the consequences?

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25 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

That was me.  And I'm trying desperately to get the law changed.  But we are not even following the law now.  The "Law" was never intended for tens of thousands of asylum seekers to arrive at the border every month or two and have the system backed up for years.  These people will be given court dates at best years into the future and most will never show up once they are out in the wind.  I'm sorry, but that is not the way the law was intended to work.  

Furthermore, if you really want to play "law and order" card.... then fine.  Let these "asylum seekers" in but round up and deport ALL the other 13 million illegal immigrants here now.  That's a fair trade.  We would be following the law to the letter.  Happy?

Yes. And let’s arrest the employers while you’re at it.

unlike you, I don’t think a couple thousand migrants is a risk to the US. No matter how much El presidente tweets about how old white people should be afraid. 

You live in fear. Have since we’ve known of you.

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21 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

So - anyone think the refugee crisis isn't ginned up by rightwing media and the morons - like Jeff, Dog, Saorsa - who gobble that shit without a thought?

It absolutely is a faux-rage of the day routine.

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9 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Clearly. If our immigration system worked, you'd still be in Canada.

 But you're now free to roam about the country. Please note when the captain rings the bell, to go back to your seat, and assume the position.

Canada? You have me confused with HJ.

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6 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

So - anyone think the refugee crisis isn't ginned up by rightwing media and the morons - like Jeff, Dog, Saorsa - who gobble that shit without a thought?

So - What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

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6 hours ago, Raz'r said:

It absolutely is a faux-rage of the day routine.

So - What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

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7 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

So - anyone think the refugee crisis isn't ginned up by rightwing media and the morons - like Jeff, Dog, Saorsa - who gobble that shit without a thought?

I don't think it's  a ginned up Crisis.  I'd like to see you come up with something but a welcome mat.

Perhaps concentration camps like France and Australia.

Remember, I proposed feeding them in place in Mexico.  Take the foreign aid from Guatemala and Honduras and reimburse Mexico for feeding them and housing them.  That way the aid would go right to the people.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Dog said:

If they're seeking refuge they've got it, but they're not seeking refuge.

https://www.apnews.com/4489c5ef0f224930aba2ddd55f906732

From your link:

"Activist Irineo Mujica of the Pueblo sin Fronteras group is supporting the migrants in the caravan. He told the group that 80 percent of those who apply for protective status would be rejected and deported.

He asked who wanted a dialogue when they arrive in Mexico City, and a sea of hands shot up."

I suggest before you post a story you should read it first.

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4 hours ago, Dog said:

So - What should we do about this caravan and the ones that will follow it?

Nothing about the caravan. That’s Mexico’s problem.

We need to staff our immigration courts adequately so we can work down the backlog of asylum cases.

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5 minutes ago, benwynn said:

From your link:

"Activist Irineo Mujica of the Pueblo sin Fronteras group is supporting the migrants in the caravan. He told the group that 80 percent of those who apply for protective status would be rejected and deported.

He asked who wanted a dialogue when they arrive in Mexico City, and a sea of hands shot up."

I suggest before you post a story you should read it first.

So what? They want to talk to migrant activist. How about their rejection of President Pena's proposal?

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6 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Nothing about the caravan. That’s Mexico’s problem.

We need to staff our immigration courts adequately so we can work down the backlog of asylum cases.

It's clear they are not interested in Mexico.

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1 minute ago, Dog said:

It's clear they are not interested in Mexico.

Were you? You left your country and choose to settle in the USA, these people had to leave their country, why wouldn't they want the best they can trek to for them and their kids? 

Why do you want to deny others options you had, cause they are poor? Any one of them could buy an American citizenship if they had the money but they are coming to you empty handed begging for charity, put them through the process, take the best and kick out the rest. Just like Jesus said.

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15 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

Were you? You left your country and choose to settle in the USA, these people had to leave their country, why wouldn't they want the best they can trek to for them and their kids? 

Why do you want to deny others options you had, cause they are poor? Any one of them could buy an American citizenship if they had the money but they are coming to you empty handed begging for charity, put them through the process, take the best and kick out the rest. Just like Jesus said.

They didn't have to leave their country to apply. They could have applied right there in their own county (like I did) and saved themselves a long walk but in doing so they would risk rejection. They have a different, more sure fire plan, crash the border and apply for asylum and be released into the country or enter illegally.

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9 minutes ago, Dog said:

They didn't have to leave their country to apply. They could have applied right there in their own county (like I did) and saved themselves a long walk but in doing so they would risk rejection. They have a different, more sure fire plan, crash the border and apply for asylum and be released into the country or enter illegally.

Why do you lie Dog? You cannot apply for asylum or refugee status in your home country. Even with the "sure fire to Dog" plan apparently 80% will be rejected, per the article you linked to.

Again - this is mindless demagoguery from the rightwing. If DHS doesn't work maybe Trump should be held accountable?

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11 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Why do you lie Dog? You cannot apply for asylum or refugee status in your home country. Even with the "sure fire to Dog" plan apparently 80% will be rejected, per the article you linked to.

Again - this is mindless demagoguery from the rightwing. If DHS doesn't work maybe Trump should be held accountable?

You can apply for legal residency status from your own country. Here's a news flash for you, these people are not refugees (refugees don't wave the flag of the country from which they seek refuge) They are economic migrants and that 80% you cite is one activists claim as to how may would be accepted by Mexico. Try to keep up would you.

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17 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Why do you lie Dog? You cannot apply for asylum or refugee status in your home country. Even with the "sure fire to Dog" plan apparently 80% will be rejected, per the article you linked to.

Again - this is mindless demagoguery from the rightwing. If DHS doesn't work maybe Trump should be held accountable?

What's wrong with rejecting those who do not meet established criteria?

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23 minutes ago, Dog said:

They didn't have to leave their country to apply. They could have applied right there in their own county (like I did) and saved themselves a long walk but in doing so they would risk rejection. They have a different, more sure fire plan, crash the border and apply for asylum and be released into the country or enter illegally.

What conditions would you have to be in to leave everything behind, pick up your kids and make that trek? Most are desperate and face a credible danger if they return, why are you upset the majority chose the same country as you?

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11 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Yes. And let’s arrest the employers while you’re at it.

unlike you, I don’t think a couple thousand migrants is a risk to the US. No matter how much El presidente tweets about how old white people should be afraid. 

You live in fear. Have since we’ve known of you.

Yes, I have been very vocal for years that employers who hire illegals need to be publically arrested, perp walked on TV and put in jail.

And you stupid cunt, I never said a couple of thousand migrants to the US is a risk.  But eventually if this isn't stemmed, a couple of tens of millions more will be.  

And again you stupid cunt, it has nothing to do with fear.  At least not for me.  I don't fear them.  Its about protecting our sovereignty and our right to self-determination and about what's right.  I don't buy into shitstain's rhetoric about there being muslim terrahists coming north in the pack.  But my entire contention is that it is not our responsibility or within our power to save everyone on the planet or even in this hemisphere

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1 minute ago, VhmSays said:

What conditions would you have to be in to leave everything behind, pick up your kids and make that trek? Most are desperate and face a credible danger if they return, why are you upset the majority chose the same country as you?

Here's an old answer to that

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

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We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

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23 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Why do you lie Dog? You cannot apply for asylum or refugee status in your home country. Even with the "sure fire to Dog" plan apparently 80% will be rejected, per the article you linked to.

Again - this is mindless demagoguery from the rightwing. If DHS doesn't work maybe Trump should be held accountable?

They can apply for refugee status in their home country.  You fucking dolt.

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2 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

What conditions would you have to be in to leave everything behind, pick up your kids and make that trek? Most are desperate and face a credible danger if they return, why are you upset the majority chose the same country as you?

What I am upset about is that we don't have control of the border or a system in place to deal with these economic migrants. The people that I'm pissed of at are not the migrants but the assholes of both parties in Washington.

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Mexico offers asylum and Temporary Work status with a pathway to longterm benefits:

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Migrant caravan: Mexico offers temporary work permits

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45999610

"Today, Mexico extends you its hand," President Peña Nieto said.

But he added: "This plan is only for those who comply with Mexican laws, and it's a first step towards a permanent solution for those who are granted refugee status in Mexico."

The plan envisages:

  • Temporary ID cards and work permits
  • Medical care
  • Schooling for migrants' children
  • Housing in local hostels

 

The BBC and NBC is further reporting on their live TV stream that the migrants are turning it down because they want a life in the US instead.

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Migrant caravan members reject offer to stay in Mexico

ARRIAGA, Mexico — Several thousand Central American migrants turned down a Mexican offer of benefits if they applied for refugee status and stayed in the country's two southernmost states, vowing to set out before dawn Saturday to continue their long trek toward the U.S. border.  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/migrant-caravan-members-reject-offer-stay-mexico-n925171

 

Sorry, but they can go fuck themselves now.  Any sympathy I might have had for them is now gone.  The entire point of their so-called "asylum" claims is to escape threat of death from the local gangs and no ability to get work.  Well, they are being offered protection, safety, work, school, medical care, etc by their neighbor and they thumb their noses at it because they want to come to "murica instead for an even better life.  It proves they are more economic migrants than refugees or asylum seekers.  

Its a sham and a farce to call them anything other than people who just want to take advantage of the US's largesse.

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