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21 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Gabriel Soriano and others.

 

Were you looking for a false equivalence? That's certainly what the RWEC was pushing this morning....

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Just now, Raz'r said:

Were you looking for a false equivalence? That's certainly what the RWEC was pushing this morning....

No, you were.  Killing journalists who criticize the regime is a direct equivalence.

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1 minute ago, Saorsa said:

No, you were.  Killing journalists who criticize the regime is a direct equivalence.

Really? Did you actually READ your cite?
 

So, you think that the Saudi Gov't killing a Saudi Journalist in a Saudi embassy in Turkey is the same as a Journo killed by a Mexican Gang.

Interesting how your mind works.

I guess they're both dead Journos....

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7 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Really? Did you actually READ your cite?
 

So, you think that the Saudi Gov't killing a Saudi Journalist in a Saudi embassy in Turkey is the same as a Journo killed by a Mexican Gang.

Interesting how your mind works.

I guess they're both dead Journos....

They are and who do you think owns the politicians in Mexico?

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@Raz'r  Interesting how your mind works, or not.

Consider how the MSM covers the Kashoggi murder (outrage, Trump is in a corner, etc.) vs how they don’t seem all that bothered by all those murdered Mexican journalists

Wonder why?   

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3 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

They are and who do you think owns the politicians in Mexico?

So, in your and J28's mind, State Sponsored murder is the same as criminal murder.

Because, of course Political Leaders and Gang Leaders are the same. Right?

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

So, in your and J28's mind, State Sponsored murder is the same as criminal murder.

Because, of course Political Leaders and Gang Leaders are the same. Right?

Pretty much.  Both want control of everything in their grasp.

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1 hour ago, Saorsa said:

They are and who do you think owns the politicians in Mexico?

Ummm................. Their mothers?

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6 hours ago, Saorsa said:

They are and who do you think owns the politicians in Mexico?

The Saudis?

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2 minutes ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

The Saudis?

Shit, how did I not see that?!?

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8 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Interesting how your mind works.

No it isn't.

Because it doesn't.

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So,  whats your POINT ?   Next up,  Kashoggi-smearing and some Turkey bashing and,  heck, it's just a one dead guy...and besides Jared really seemed to LIKE Prince Bone Saw,  so why let a little thing like a blatant cold blooded murder gum up the money works,  amIright ?

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33 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Holy shit.  I would move this to investigation #1 in January.

Edit didn’t Flynn floatan idea to kidnap him a while ago?

And this is  a country that beat US citizen protestors on US soil with impunity.

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26 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I think, as Fethullah has permanent residence status, They've just committed a crime. 

30 minutes ago, mad said:

How long before that hits the mainstream media? 

It has

The Times is running it

among others

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/erdogan-foe-fethullah-gulen-used-as-pawn-to-save-mohammed-bin-salman-5vtfxjt8b

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/white-house-weighs-booting-erdogan-foe-u-s-appease-turkey-n933996

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8 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Just add it to the list with all the others. 

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1 minute ago, mad said:

Just add it to the list with all the others. 

yep, but this will be called fake news and everyone will go back to more important things..like MAGA!!

Bartering residents with OS regimes for "diplomatic causes" must be constitutional.

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Jared is a nasty little weasel, lurking in the shadows for a while, it would be be nice to see him thrust into the spotlight and  sweat under a microscope,.

Can dubious behavior like this  still come under Muellers scope or would this be a new and separate case? The shit may start piling up for Jared

This could get juicier ......if Whitaker tries to shut down any investigation of the matter, would that be obstruction by an acting AG...... well that would be yuge.......damned if he does recuse, damned if he doesn't -either way donnies gonna go into a thermonuclear meltdown.

And there's still a Grand Jury shoe to drop soon..... right?

 

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Be something for the new congress to address I assume.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

Jared is a nasty little weasel, lurking in the shadows for a while, it would be be nice to see him thrust into the spotlight and  sweat under a microscope,.

Can dubious behavior like this  still come under Muellers scope or would this be a new and separate case? The shit may start piling up for Jared

This could get juicier ......if Whitaker tries to shut down any investigation of the matter, would that be obstruction by an acting AG...... well that would be yuge.......damned if he does recuse, damned if he doesn't -either way donnies gonna go into a thermonuclear meltdown.

And there's still a Grand Jury shoe to drop soon..... right?

Whitaker doesn't mean shit to the House once they are seated in the majority.  They can run their own investigations and issue subpoenas.  On this one, subpoena anyone in the WH and Security Agencies and have them testify under oath.  Getting to the bottom of this one should take a few days.  I really hope to see Kushner in jail.  

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Kushner in jail....... Heh..... That baby face might just be a damned curse for a few years.....

 I probably use more razor blades in a month than he's used in his entire life.... Unless he shaves his pubes, and legs too.

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41 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Kushner in jail....... Heh..... That baby face might just be a damned curse for a few years.....

 I probably use more razor blades in a month than he's used in his entire life.... Unless he shaves his pubes, and legs too.

He waxes his entire body.

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Hey if they want to extradite a US resident how about J28? A few long years being banged in the arse in a Turkish prison 20 times each day might fuck some sense into him. But then again he might just enjoy it.

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Apart from pure bastardry, what is it legally called if a country uses a citizen or resident as a bargaining chip with another country? 

They can't use extradition treatys as this guy has not committed any crime recognised in the USA.

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3 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Hey if they want to extradite a US resident how about J28? A few long years being banged in the arse in a Turkish prison 20 times each day might fuck some sense into him. But then again he might just enjoy it.

J28 is a US Cit (I assume)....but Jack isn't :D

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2 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Throw in Malarkey as well.

Pipped ya :)

This must actually not be Fake news..the socks have gone vewy vewy quiet.

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4 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

J28 is a US Cit (I assume)....but Jack isn't :D

I think Jack is - If he wasn't he couldn't vote for his orange idiot.

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Just now, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Jeffreaux is local, already butthurt, lets send him.

Be cheaper airfare 

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Just now, LB 15 said:

I think Jack is - If he wasn't he couldn't vote for his orange idiot.

Maybe he doesn't.

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8 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

I think Jack is - If he wasn't he couldn't vote for his orange idiot.

He once posted a pic of his voter ID. Pretty sure it was photoshopped. 

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26 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Apart from pure bastardry, what is it legally called if a country uses a citizen or resident as a bargaining chip with another country? 

In one of the articles I thought they said he had a green card.  Did you read he had citizenship?  I missed your resident comment.  Never mind.  Agree in both events it is an incredibly shitty thing to do.  

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3 hours ago, mad said:

How long before that hits the mainstream media? 

If you read he cite, the report is a press report.

NBC News reported that the White House was looking for legal ways to boot out Fethullah Gulen — an exiled Turkish cleric whom Erdogan accuses of orchestrating a failed coup against him in 2016 — in exchange for Turkey easing pressure on the Saudi government, which is responsible for Khashoggi's killing.

Maybe when there is some actual evidence they can pick it up again.

 

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10 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

If you read he cite, the report is a press report.

NBC News reported that the White House was looking for legal ways to boot out Fethullah Gulen — an exiled Turkish cleric whom Erdogan accuses of orchestrating a failed coup against him in 2016 — in exchange for Turkey easing pressure on the Saudi government, which is responsible for Khashoggi's killing.

Maybe when there is some actual evidence they can pick it up again.

 

how many do you want to report this before it's "actual evidence" Do you mean until it goes under official investigation?

I doubt you'll have to wait very long. 

More to the point, if it's true, do you care?

WASHINGTON — The White House is looking for ways to remove an enemy of Turkish President Recep Erdogan from the U.S. in order to placate Turkey over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to two senior U.S. officials and two other people briefed on the requests.

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16 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

If you read he cite, the report is a press report.

NBC News reported that the White House was looking for legal ways to boot out Fethullah Gulen — an exiled Turkish cleric whom Erdogan accuses of orchestrating a failed coup against him in 2016 — in exchange for Turkey easing pressure on the Saudi government, which is responsible for Khashoggi's killing.

Maybe when there is some actual evidence they can pick it up again.

 

You going to wait until they make a major TV series? Blind dedication to The Cause, indeed.

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15 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

how many do you want to report this before it's "actual evidence" Do you mean until it goes under official investigation?

I doubt you'll have to wait very long. 

More to the point, if it's true, do you care?

WASHINGTON — The White House is looking for ways to remove an enemy of Turkish President Recep Erdogan from the U.S. in order to placate Turkey over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to two senior U.S. officials and two other people briefed on the requests.

think of sore-ass as a geriatric troll who regurgitates nauseating bullshit to troll you. it'll still gall you, but it makes more sense, because no one except dogballs could be that fucking stupid.

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3 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

think of sore-ass as a geriatric troll who regurgitates nauseating bullshit to troll you. it'll still gall you, but it makes more sense, because no one except dogballs could be that fucking stupid.

sometimes I wonder if Sao and Dog are one in the same..not consciously mind...more like smegol and gollum..and the Gollum's winning. 

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Saudi have charged 11. Five face the visit to chop chop square. The prince isn't amongst them.

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2 minutes ago, VOA said:

Saudi have charged 11. Five face the visit to chop chop square. The prince isn't amongst them.

Yup. They won't allow overseas investigators to interview them either. Bet Trump wishes he could just kill anyone that might incriminate him too.

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Just a thought.

The Current WH has been trying to hand this guy over to Turkey for some time now.

Would Kushner have had any interests in this and any contact with Michael Flynn on the matter long before this latest Kassoggi affair?

Maybe that's why Trump wanted Comey to go easy on Flynn?..insisting it had nothing to do with Russia?

Same names keep popping up Flynn/Gulen, Flynn/Kushner, Kushner/tefik Arif /Bayrock/Tamince

and here's an interesting snippet..prolly mad conspiricy theorist rag

The Bloomberg article proceeds to mention a business partnership, in the form of a joint ownership of a hotel, between Tevfik Arif and Fettah Tamince.  Tamince, owner of the Rixos hotel chain in Turkey, is known to be affiliated with the Gulen Movement.  In an interview with a Hurriyet correspondent, Tamince said Gulen was his "idol" and he visits him often in America ("Fethullah Hoca benim için bir değerdir, bir idoldür; sık sık Amerika’ya gidip ziyaret ediyorum" - Hurriyet, May 26, 2004; a partial English translation also on the Hurriyet website identifies Tamince as a "Fethullah follower").  Arif was arrested in a raid on the historic "Savarona" yacht along with "Russian, Kyrgyz and Kazakh businessmen and high-level government officials," according to Bloomberg.  Arif was later acquitted of all charges, but this must be considered in conjunction with the widespread belief that the Gulen Movement has infiltrated the Turkish judicial system

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3DuAMwtmrAUJ:https://turkishinvitations.weebly.com/bayrock-group-and-35800-a-plate.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

Maybe these business guys and gals are all a bit incestuous

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1 hour ago, VOA said:

Saudi have charged 11. Five face the visit to chop chop square. The prince isn't amongst them.

sacrificial lambs for the slaughter.  The world should boycott anything and everything Saudi.

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So the Saudis kill one lousy journo?

This is what Americans do to Journalists

 

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

Just a thought.

The Current WH has been trying to hand this guy over to Turkey for some time now.

Would Kushner have had any interests in this and any contact with Michael Flynn on the matter long before this latest Kassoggi affair?

Maybe that's why Trump wanted Comey to go easy on Flynn?..insisting it had nothing to do with Russia?

Same names keep popping up Flynn/Gulen, Flynn/Kushner, Kushner/tefik Arif /Bayrock/Tamince

and here's an interesting snippet..prolly mad conspiricy theorist rag

The Bloomberg article proceeds to mention a business partnership, in the form of a joint ownership of a hotel, between Tevfik Arif and Fettah Tamince.  Tamince, owner of the Rixos hotel chain in Turkey, is known to be affiliated with the Gulen Movement.  In an interview with a Hurriyet correspondent, Tamince said Gulen was his "idol" and he visits him often in America ("Fethullah Hoca benim için bir değerdir, bir idoldür; sık sık Amerika’ya gidip ziyaret ediyorum" - Hurriyet, May 26, 2004; a partial English translation also on the Hurriyet website identifies Tamince as a "Fethullah follower").  Arif was arrested in a raid on the historic "Savarona" yacht along with "Russian, Kyrgyz and Kazakh businessmen and high-level government officials," according to Bloomberg.  Arif was later acquitted of all charges, but this must be considered in conjunction with the widespread belief that the Gulen Movement has infiltrated the Turkish judicial system

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3DuAMwtmrAUJ:https://turkishinvitations.weebly.com/bayrock-group-and-35800-a-plate.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

Maybe these business guys and gals are all a bit incestuous

Can you imagine.....if you can connect dots like that.....the mind boggles when you think of the leads that team mueller must have followed

No wonder it’s taking a while there must be some interesting nuggets buried in that pile of shit.

Would love to see Jared go down he would be one wimpy lil crybaby if he got caught and Donnie would have to throw him under the bus nothing personal it’s business.

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4 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

He once posted a pic of his voter ID. Pretty sure it was photoshopped. 

Did he really. What an attention seeking douche wad. 

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5 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

He once posted a pic of his voter ID. Pretty sure it was photoshopped. 

We still haven’t seen his MIT cert yet. 

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2 hours ago, mad said:

We still haven’t seen his MIT cert yet. 

You mean he's certifiable surely, I understand there's a fine line between genius and madness not that he was ever genius more wavering towards madness but he did say he went to MIT right?

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8 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

how many do you want to report this before it's "actual evidence" Do you mean until it goes under official investigation?

I doubt you'll have to wait very long. 

More to the point, if it's true, do you care?

WASHINGTON — The White House is looking for ways to remove an enemy of Turkish President Recep Erdogan from the U.S. in order to placate Turkey over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to two senior U.S. officials and two other people briefed on the requests.

During any international event I expect any administration to investigate all possible outcomes and actions.

 

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/16/jamal-khashoggis-killing-ordered-saudi-crown-prince-cia-finds/2031439002/

 

WASHINGTON - The CIA has concluded in an assessment that Saudi Arabia's crown prince ordered the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, according to the Associated Pressand Washington Post. 

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Trump's not going to be happy with the CIA raining on his parade of lies.

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18 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/16/jamal-khashoggis-killing-ordered-saudi-crown-prince-cia-finds/2031439002/

 

WASHINGTON - The CIA has concluded in an assessment that Saudi Arabia's crown prince ordered the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, according to the Associated Pressand Washington Post. 

Most average people knew this from day one....... but wtf.

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On 11/15/2018 at 9:06 PM, VOA said:

Saudi have charged 11. Five face the visit to chop chop square. The prince isn't amongst them.

  Well...not much to be said in defense of the 11. Going to be hard to do a documentary on that crew without it being a comedy anyway. Off with their heads! Please. Prettiplease with effin' sugar on top.  

 To look at the bright side, should The Prince issue a similar order to the next batch of goons, I'd like to have a picture of the look on their faces.   

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26 minutes ago, Mark K said:

  Well...not much to be said in defense of the 11. Going to be hard to do a documentary on that crew without it being a comedy anyway. Off with their heads! Please. Prettiplease with effin' sugar on top.  

 To look at the bright side, should The Prince issue a similar order to the next batch of goons, I'd like to have a picture of the look on their faces.   

The prince will build some big mosques in Turkey to square it up. (sarc)

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2 minutes ago, VOA said:

The prince will build some big mosques in Turkey to square it up. (sarc)

 I'm hoping for The Prince pulling out of Yemen in an attempt to rehab the Saudi image. Khashoggi would have liked that, I thinks. 

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Reading between the lines of this indicates this gal followed Treasury guidelines of including the Saudi propaganda minister in the list, and then caught hell for it from the White House and resigned in response. MbS must have bitched at Trump about that. Trump is apparently unable to take charge of the issue so various entities in the government are left to make up their own stances. Naturally, those are conflicted.  

 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/17/us/politics/trump-khashoggi-saudi-arabia.html

 Seems clear Trump is still hoping to brush this under a rug. I suppose regime change in SA is too big a lift. Could result in some pretty large disruptions in oil supply, and right when we are taking a big chunk of Iranian oil off the market. 

 

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So, is there a poo tape that MbS has or does Trump just owe him money?

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13 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

So, is there a poo tape that MbS has or does Trump just owe him money?

I understand the question is rhetorical..but...

  It's probably his ability to borrow from them. 

 In places like SA and Russia the rich are left to their own devices, for the most part, but they must honor the King's whims too. Putin and MbS are fully capable of cutting off all lending to Trump Inc from their oligarchs or princelings, and conversely letting it be known that it would be a very good thing to loan to them. They have enough personally to make Trump Inc viable all by their lonesomes, come to think of it. 

 As long as Trump is primarily concerned with the fate of Trump Inc instead of the fate of people, or even the USA, they have him by the pussy. Wall Street cut that deadbeat off long ago. He has well-earned the loathing which the Euro's and the Chinese harbor for him.  

 

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So here we are in a very odd place in time.  Did you ever think you would see the day when an American resident was dismembered in a foreign embassy and fuck all happened as a result?

Is civilization dissolving into barbarism?

I still have difficulty internalising that this actually happened and that it appears to be normalized.  So the next time someone get's their head chopped of and their body disolved it will be just another one?  Yawn?

Is it just me having trouble with this?

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On 11/18/2018 at 1:39 AM, Mark K said:

  Well...not much to be said in defense of the 11. Going to be hard to do a documentary on that crew without it being a comedy anyway. Off with their heads! Please. Prettiplease with effin' sugar on top.  

 To look at the bright side, should The Prince issue a similar order to the next batch of goons, I'd like to have a picture of the look on their faces.   

Nothing is happening to the hit squad, no outsiders have access to them and the arrest and beheading is theatre. 5 convicts may lose their heads in place of some of the members of the squad who most likely will not step outside the kingdom again but life will be good for them, they did their job got the message out, no matter where or what you are shut up or else... even the US president will curtsy and refuse to do anything to annoy the Prince. 

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1 minute ago, VhmSays said:

even the US president will curtsy and refuse to do anything to annoy the Prince. 

a shell in nut

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25 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

Nothing is happening to the hit squad, no outsiders have access to them and the arrest and beheading is theatre. 5 convicts may lose their heads in place of some of the members of the squad who most likely will not step outside the kingdom again but life will be good for them, they did their job got the message out, no matter where or what you are shut up or else... even the US president will curtsy and refuse to do anything to annoy the Prince. 

 Nope. The executions are public there. Indeed all members of the Court in town are required to attend.  Everybody will see who got their heads chopped off. That won't be theatre.

  Expect them to accept their fate stoically. Their families will be well paid. Since their options are getting their heads lopped off leaving their families in poverty or getting them lopped off and leaving them rich, I fully agree we should expect nothing from them too. I expect the others will have to bear a flogging. It's going to leave some scars but they too will be well-paid to bear the humiliation in silence, I reckon.   

 

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3 hours ago, Mark K said:

 Nope. The executions are public there. Indeed all members of the Court in town are required to attend.  Everybody will see who got their heads chopped off. That won't be theatre.

  Expect them to accept their fate stoically. Their families will be well paid. Since their options are getting their heads lopped off leaving their families in poverty or getting them lopped off and leaving them rich, I fully agree we should expect nothing from them too. I expect the others will have to bear a flogging. It's going to leave some scars but they too will be well-paid to bear the humiliation in silence, I reckon.   

 

Public yes, but it won't be them or maybe it'll go down the way you laid out, the press will be disinvited so as trump says "...who can really know".

If you get your hands on some definite proof be sure to share.

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4 hours ago, random said:

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What a cock sucker....................

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2 hours ago, VhmSays said:

Public yes, but it won't be them or maybe it'll go down the way you laid out, the press will be disinvited so as trump says "...who can really know".

If you get your hands on some definite proof be sure to share.

 You simply can't imagine MbS offing the heads of anyone who he views as a threat to his position, an odd view considering what just happened to a writer who wrote critically of him.  Btw, expect MbS to make sure there are tapes to prove it to everybody. There are plenty of tapes of Saudi executions on the web now. 

  

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2 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:
7 hours ago, random said:

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What a cock sucker....................

Well his face is getting closer to that arab cock in that scene.

Imagine the Arab getting that picture framed for bragging rights!  "I made the POTUS bow down before me"

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2 hours ago, Mark K said:

 You simply can't imagine MbS offing the heads of anyone who he views as a threat to his position, an odd view considering what just happened to a writer who wrote critically of him.  Btw, expect MbS to make sure there are tapes to prove it to everybody. There are plenty of tapes of Saudi executions on the web now. 

  

I don't think he views them as a threat, they are proof he can get away with murder, a few weeks/months down the line Turkey will get their renegade cleric and those in prison and awaiting the chopping block will be quietly released. Who is going to notice or care much, a better question would be who's going to do anything about it? For MbS that squad is walking proof of his power, much better than paying blood money. I believe he would rather defy the world and show that power to his subjects than show he is bothered by repercussions. 

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Interesting read. The Turkish paper that published this is reportedly close to Erdogan.

https://m.yenisafak.com/en/columns/ibrahimkaragul/the-audio-recordings-of-the-khashoggi-case-will-be-released-today-or-this-week-a-quake-will-take-place-in-the-saudi-palace-and-the-crown-prince-will-bite-the-dust-counter-coup-the-alliance-that-sold-out-jerusalem-may-collapse-2046762

Headline -

The audio recordings of the Khashoggi case will be released today or this week… A quake will take place in the Saudi palace, and the crown prince will bite the dust… Counter-coup: The alliance that sold out Jerusalem may collapse

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeni_Şafak

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20 minutes ago, Sean said:

Interesting read. The Turkish paper that published this is reportedly close to Erdogan.

https://m.yenisafak.com/en/columns/ibrahimkaragul/the-audio-recordings-of-the-khashoggi-case-will-be-released-today-or-this-week-a-quake-will-take-place-in-the-saudi-palace-and-the-crown-prince-will-bite-the-dust-counter-coup-the-alliance-that-sold-out-jerusalem-may-collapse-2046762

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The audio recordings of the Khashoggi case will be released today or this week… A quake will take place in the Saudi palace, and the crown prince will bite the dust… Counter-coup: The alliance that sold out Jerusalem may collapse

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeni_Şafak

If support for this author's claims is made public?  It's pretty damning.   Absent that substantiation?  it's a rant. 

An excerpt:  "So, why is Trump panicking? Because his son-in-law is involved

Why is Trump in panic? Because the third leg in the relationship between Mohammed bin Salman and the UAE's Mohammed bin Zayed is his son-in-law Jared Kushner. It was this trio behind the secret negotiations for Jerusalem. It was this trio that tried to wipe out Turkey from the whole region. It is this trio that is still carrying out all the covert operations targeting Turkey, and trying to activate certain groups inside the country. It is this trio that doomed Saudi Arabia to Israel. It is this trio that made secret negotiations regarding Mecca and Medina."

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Beer sez the Rooskies and Chinese could not possibly care less how the Prince solved the problem. 

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20 minutes ago, Battlecheese said:

This dude should probably avoid any Saudi embassies.

Most people should avoid Saudi Arabia completely. 

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23 hours ago, VhmSays said:

I don't think he views them as a threat, they are proof he can get away with murder, a few weeks/months down the line Turkey will get their renegade cleric and those in prison and awaiting the chopping block will be quietly released. Who is going to notice or care much, a better question would be who's going to do anything about it? For MbS that squad is walking proof of his power, much better than paying blood money. I believe he would rather defy the world and show that power to his subjects than show he is bothered by repercussions. 

 The threat they represent is they could publicly declare that MbS ordered them to do it. Also, the two ideas that MbS will both switch convicts in to fake their deaths but then parade them around as proof of his power are mutually exclusive. Are you just arguing to be arguing?   

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1 hour ago, Mark K said:

 The threat they represent is they could publicly declare that MbS ordered them to do it. 

Thats not ever going to happen, not just their lives but all their relatives are on the hook.

1 hour ago, Mark K said:

Also, the two ideas that MbS will both switch convicts in to fake their deaths but then parade them around as proof of his power are mutually exclusive.

Something for outsiders to keep them calm while those in the kingdom can see he takes care of his guys.

1 hour ago, Mark K said:

Are you just arguing to be arguing?   

Yes but I've lived in places where this is the kind of logic followed, in fact I just got back from Nepal to a small town in Bihar, India yesterday. The laws followed and the laws on the books are entirely different things only reconciled on paper for the benefit of outsiders, like the old woman who fell down an embankment in police records instead of being stoned to death as actually happened.

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29 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

President Trump has chosen with whom he will stand.

I doubt anyone will be surprised.

What a complete idiot he is - he has no idea of the damage to US foreign interests that such behavior is causing.  Man I hope we get a solid challenger for the 2020 nomination. 

 

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he's going to be in a real pickle when Jared gives the wink wink for a dictator to kill a US citizen. and I think we all know that day is coming sooner rather than later.

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Next thing Erdogan will send Thugs into the USA to kidnap residents.Trump cant grasp that this is not about one man.

the US is allowing Saudi Arabia virtual impunity on the murder of Khashoggi, a man who was apparently murdered and dismembered by Saudi operatives inside the country's consulate in Istanbul.

Last year North Korea killed Kim Jong-un's brother with a nerve agent in Malaysia.

Russia has been actively using chemical agents to murder its enemies in Europe.

Now, Saudi Arabia has conducted what appears to be a state-sponsored murder on foreign soil.

Khashoggi is the latest victim of an appalling trend.

The US response?

"Very simply it is called America First!"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-21/khashoggi-sacrificed-by-trump-administration/10517354

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Well at last!!

Rand Paul is not happy.

“It came out sounding like Bolton’s voice to me,” Paul, in an interview Tuesday, said of the president’s hawkish national security adviser. “The problem is the president’s instincts on these things very often are good, but he’s often surrounded by people from the foreign policy swamp. And Bolton is the king of the swamp.”

 

The Kentucky Republican doesn’t break with Trump much these days, but the president’s statement propping up American support for Saudi Arabia and its crown prince, Mohammad bin Salman, was too much for one of the president’s closest allies in Congress. Paul said he will redouble his efforts to block arm sales to Saudi Arabia, which Trump touted repeatedly in his statement raising doubts about whether bin Salman was at all involved in Khashoggi’s killing.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/trump-rand-paul-saudi-arabia-1009107

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