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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

So, the USA is NOT a capitalist economy?

The gov't is regulating the health insurance market, among others.

Therefore, is your contract with your health insurance company a pure free-market transaction?

Yes or no, try to avoid the weaseling you indulged in just above. It's a simple question.

-DSK

Not exactly true.  Part of the mixture is capitalism.  Just a smaller part of that mixture than before.

Your whole case is shit.  Just because I drove on government roads and participated in a health care system regulated by the government doesn't mean that there is a case for socialized health care.  Quite the opposite really.  Like a discussion with Bent, this has been a big waste of time.  Are you related?

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Just now, jzk said:

Not exactly true.  Part of the mixture is capitalism.  Just a smaller part of that mixture than before.

Your whole case is shit.  Just because I drove on government roads and participated in a health care system regulated by the government doesn't mean that there is a case for socialized health care.  Quite the opposite really.  Like a discussion with Bent, this has been a big waste of time.  Are you related?

 

More weaseling? You can't answer a simple yes or no question?

Just because you enjoy the benefits of a collectivised health care system, and drive on collectively-paid-for roads, and you continue to insist that others are evil socialists...... that makes you a hypocrit.

I can see you don't want to face this unpleasant fact, just like you don't want to answer my questions.... who doesn't have a case?

-DSK

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Just now, Steam Flyer said:

 

More weaseling? You can't answer a simple yes or no question?

Just because you enjoy the benefits of a collectivised health care system, and drive on collectively-paid-for roads, and you continue to insist that others are evil socialists...... that makes you a hypocrit.

I can see you don't want to face this unpleasant fact, just like you don't want to answer my questions.... who doesn't have a case?

-DSK

Not even close.  Do you even know what a hypocrite is?  

Your faulty logic suggests that no one can ever advocate for a change to anything without being a hypocrite.  What a stupid argument.  

Try again.  

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3 minutes ago, jzk said:

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Your faulty logic suggests that no one can ever advocate for a change to anything without being a hypocrite.  What a stupid argument.  

 

I'm not the one who fails to answer simple yes or no questions, and is weaseling about not paying for services he receives while using "socialist" as an insult

-DSK

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5 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I'm not the one who fails to answer simple yes or no questions, and is weaseling about not paying for services he receives while using "socialist" as an insult

-DSK

You are the one that fails to make a case for anything.  Your stupid questions are not even relevant as to such a case.  

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8 hours ago, jzk said:

You are the one that fails to make a case for anything.  Your stupid questions are not even relevant as to such a case.  

Aww, you don't have to go away mad.

-DSK

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5 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Aww, you don't have to go away mad.

-DSK

Let's say I spent my whole life sucking off of the current government welfare system and contributed exactly nothing to society.  Does that further your case for socialized healthcare or hurt it?

That is how stupid your position is.

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9 hours ago, Saorsa said:

How Copenhagen used to live.

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How it is today

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Copenhagen has it's own income tax at 23.8% on top of the national taxes of 55% plus 5% Health Tax.

OH, if you have anything left and buy something the consumption tax (VAT) is 25% except for cars which are 105% or 150%.

Given that, you'd expect the average Dane to be unhappy with the situation.

And, you'd be wrong.  #3.

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It's always funny watching the free marketeer folks slam head-first into the success of democratic socialist countries. Yes, they pay higher taxes then the US, but they get more "bang for their buck" than their yankee counterparts too. There is a reason such countries happier and it's not cos we have better weed. ;)

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7 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

It's always funny watching the free marketeer folks slam head-first into the success of democratic socialist countries. Yes, they pay higher taxes then the US, but they get more "bang for their buck" than their yankee counterparts too. There is a reason such countries happier and it's not cos we have better weed. ;)

It's not so much a free-market thing as it is a butthurt pinhead thing. Same thing happens with the anti-evolution crowd.

Can't cope with facts, no prob: adopt a couple of simple slogans and ruthlessly apply them to everything, and work yourself into a tizzy hammering folk who don't agree.

I like to pull JZK's string partly for old times sake, and partly for exercise; sometimes (like this morning) we get the bonus of seeing the racism underlying his attitude. When I was going to engineering school and discovered that economics was a fascinating topic, I met a lot of people like him (this was during the Reagan years) who really didn't understand but liked being cheerleaders for their ideology. Several preferred arguing with their profs over passing the course. It's a big world with room for all kinds, right?

-DSK

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20 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

That's not what I would expect, why do you say so?

 

Your comment about how much income is taken away for governmental programs, coupled with your general stance on all things political, leads me to believe you feel the average Dane is taxed too heavily and this policy is onerous and less than popular.

Maybe your comparison of then and now was meant to convey things are better then they were.  But, I read it to mean the opposite.

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13 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

It's not so much a free-market thing as it is a butthurt pinhead thing. Same thing happens with the anti-evolution crowd.

 Can't cope with facts, no prob: adopt a couple of simple slogans and ruthlessly apply them to everything, and work yourself into a tizzy hammering folk who don't agree.

Sure, but it's far more amusing when they bring them up as examples thinking that the high taxes thing will win their argument, completely forgetting the quality of lifestyle that buys citizens of said country. I'm more than happy paying my taxes because they buy things that make Australia a great place to live. Same with the Danes I've worked with for that matter. 

 

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I like to pull JZK's string partly for old times sake, and partly for exercise; sometimes (like this morning) we get the bonus of seeing the racism underlying his attitude. When I was going to engineering school and discovered that economics was a fascinating topic, I met a lot of people like him (this was during the Reagan years) who really didn't understand but liked being cheerleaders for their ideology. Several preferred arguing with their profs over passing the course. It's a big world with room for all kinds, right?

Honestly, wasn't following it. Stuck the JizZKid on ignore ages ago. The sad little troll hadn't changed his tune in the first five or so years since I encountered him online, he was only going to get worse as time & life's failures made him even more bitter at the world. Trust me, you'd be doing yourself (and those of us who can't be bothered with his shit) a big favour by using the ignore feature on his drivel. 

My comments were directed at Saorsa's "contribution" that he is trying to walk back.

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2 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

...    ...    ...

Honestly, wasn't following it. Stuck the JizZKid on ignore ages ago. The sad little troll hadn't changed his tune in the first five or so years since I encountered him online, he was only going to get worse as time & life's failures made him even more bitter at the world. Trust me, you'd be doing yourself (and those of us who can't be bothered with his shit) a big favour by using the ignore feature on his drivel. 

So far I haven't put anybody on ignore . I apologize for dragging out the discussion

-DSK

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13 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Your comment about how much income is taken away for governmental programs, coupled with your general stance on all things political, leads me to believe you feel the average Dane is taxed too heavily and this policy is onerous and less than popular.

Maybe your comparison of then and now was meant to convey things are better then they were.  But, I read it to mean the opposite.

Living in a treeless rabbit warren is not better than they were.

Perhaps you should look into WHY the Danes are happy from the lifestyle vs. financial perspective.

 

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51 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

It's always funny watching the free marketeer folks slam head-first into the success of democratic socialist countries. Yes, they pay higher taxes then the US, but they get more "bang for their buck" than their yankee counterparts too. There is a reason such countries happier and it's not cos we have better weed. ;)

You mean those countries that are more economically free than the United States?  Those are the countries that you call "democratic socialist?"  Not very intellectually honest of you.

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15 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

So far I haven't put anybody on ignore . I apologize for dragging out the discussion

-DSK

Apology accepted.  You really wasted everyone's time with your nonsense.  

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55 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

It's always funny watching the free marketeer folks slam head-first into the success of democratic socialist countries. Yes, they pay higher taxes then the US, but they get more "bang for their buck" than their yankee counterparts too. There is a reason such countries happier and it's not cos we have better weed. ;)

https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist

Denmark's own Prime Minister debunking the nonsense claim that Denmark is socialist.

 

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17 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Living in a treeless rabbit warren is not better than they were.

Perhaps you should look into WHY the Danes are happy from the lifestyle vs. financial perspective.

I'm still stuck on your "high density is bad" dumbfuckery. It's almost as impressive as your "brexit is good because they can bring back pint glasses" dumbfuckery. It's almost like you are a bitter old fuck that trolls.

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5 minutes ago, jzk said:
1 hour ago, Bent Sailor said:

It's always funny watching the free marketeer folks slam head-first into the success of democratic socialist countries. Yes, they pay higher taxes then the US, but they get more "bang for their buck" than their yankee counterparts too. There is a reason such countries happier and it's not cos we have better weed. ;)

https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist

Denmark's own Prime Minister debunking the nonsense claim that Denmark is socialist.

OK, the Danes are not socialist. I don't have a problem with that.

Now, since they're not socialist, would YOU have a problem enacting similar tax rates to support similar gov't programs here in the US?

-DSK

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4 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

OK, the Danes are not socialist. I don't have a problem with that.

Now, since they're not socialist, would YOU have a problem enacting similar tax rates to support similar gov't programs here in the US?

-DSK

Yes.

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29 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Living in a treeless rabbit warren is not better than they were.

Perhaps you should look into WHY the Danes are happy from the lifestyle vs. financial perspective.

 

Your photos used for comparison are misleading.  Maybe you need to look at the bigger picture.

There is a master plan for developing Copenhagen.

What you call a "treeless rabbit warren" is anything but.

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16 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

OK, the Danes are not socialist. I don't have a problem with that.

Now, since they're not socialist, would YOU have a problem enacting similar tax rates to support similar gov't programs here in the US?

-DSK

Thank you for your intellectual honesty in making that admission.  It is in short supply on this forum.

No, of course I wouldn't support similar tax rates.  Why would I?  Just because it is a fact that the Danes are not "socialist," doesn't mean that everything they do is the ideal economic model either.

Just like someone sucking off of government programs has no bearing on whether those programs are ideal.  

Your logic simply doesn't lead to the conclusion that you are trying to make.  

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Just now, Bus Driver said:

Your photos used for comparison are misleading.  Maybe you need to look at the bigger picture.

There is a master plan for developing Copenhagen.

What you call a "treeless rabbit warren" is anything but.

I took both of those pictures from my hotel window.  The modern buildings extend for miles and it is grown in sections.  The green area beyond those is the next scheduled for permitted development.  The tracks and road will be extended into the empty space.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/denmark-immigration-16059.html

It's kind of interesting that a lot of Danes actually live in Sweden and commute because they can't afford to live in Copenhagen.

 

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17 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

I took both of those pictures from my hotel window.  The modern buildings extend for miles and it is grown in sections.  The green area beyond those is the next scheduled for permitted development.  The tracks and road will be extended into the empty space.

Clearly it'd be better to pave over 5 or 10x the area for lowdensity suburban sprawl. 

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28 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

TheDailyCaller? I love the Reich wing hate industry.

LOL...TheDailyCaller.......deflection.....unless you are implying the video is fake

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22 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

Really?? I live in a town described by many who create such lists as the best place in the USA for business or jobs opportunities. 150 new people come here EVERY DAY!!

Waitstaff in popular upscale restaurants  do pretty well. 

Many of the new unfilled jobs do offer better pay and benefits FOR THOSE WITH THE RIGHT RESUMES. 

What jobs are open for those whose resume says:

washed dishes, promoted to cleaning tables, promoted to day shift waiter, promoted to dinner shift waiter?? 

note: Congressman is NOT an available answer as the Texas Legislature  gerrymandered the districts such that Austin does not have its own congressman 

Austin doesn't even have a local critter? Damn!

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5 hours ago, Saorsa said:

I took both of those pictures from my hotel window.  The modern buildings extend for miles and it is grown in sections.  The green area beyond those is the next scheduled for permitted development.  The tracks and road will be extended into the empty space.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/denmark-immigration-16059.html

It's kind of interesting that a lot of Danes actually live in Sweden and commute because they can't afford to live in Copenhagen.

 

A lot of people live in Lyndon, Washington and commute because they cant afford to live in Vancouver. And with them there is a border involved.

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3 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

 

Jealous that she's already accomplished more than you ever will?

 

It's Sad. Bigly.

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3 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Ouch.

That's gotta leave a mark.

I guess in those 10+ years the 3 branches of gov't have changed.

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8 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

OK, the Danes are not socialist. I don't have a problem with that.

Elaborate social safety net (welfare), free education, universal healthcare, public pensions, >50% of national GDP spent by the government. All hallmarks of a democratic socialist nation. Absolutely agree that they are not a true socialist nation, in the same way the USA, Canada, etc are not true democratic nations... but anyone looking to them for repudiation of democratic socialism in their support of free market capitalist solutions to social problems is barking up the wrong tree.

Which is why it's funny watching Saorsa brought them up unprompted. :lol: 

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15 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Elaborate social safety net (welfare), free education, universal healthcare, public pensions, >50% of national GDP spent by the government. All hallmarks of a democratic socialist nation. Absolutely agree that they are not a true socialist nation, in the same way the USA, Canada, etc are not true democratic nations... but anyone looking to them for repudiation of democratic socialism in their support of free market capitalist solutions to social problems is barking up the wrong tree.

Which is why it's funny watching Saorsa brought them up unprompted. :lol: 

"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” - Prime Minister Rasmussen

Bent is such a clown.

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1 hour ago, Bent Sailor said:

Elaborate social safety net (welfare), free education, universal healthcare, public pensions, >50% of national GDP spent by the government. All hallmarks of a democratic socialist nation. Absolutely agree that they are not a true socialist nation, in the same way the USA, Canada, etc are not true democratic nations... but anyone looking to them for repudiation of democratic socialism in their support of free market capitalist solutions to social problems is barking up the wrong tree.

Which is why it's funny watching Saorsa brought them up unprompted. :lol: 

Why don't you find the post where I called them socialist and refer to it by post number.

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4 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Why don't you find the post where I called them socialist and refer to it by post number.

I didn't say you called them socialist. I said you brought them up. Do you need a link to that post or do you think you can handle that on your own?

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9 hours ago, Not guilty said:

Considering the number of toes he has makes steam fliers IQ look high, it is no surprise. 

Aww, looks like I hurt somebody's widdle feelings

-DSK

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I think A O-C is a  much needed breath of fresh air.

She's more of a swamp drainer than Trump could ever hope to be.

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25 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

I think A O-C is a  much needed breath of fresh air.

She's more of a swamp drainer than Trump could ever hope to be.

Funny how some folks who thought electing a political outsider to the WH deride AOC as just that. 

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1 hour ago, Mrleft8 said:

I think A O-C is a  much needed breath of fresh air.

She's more of a swamp drainer than Trump could ever hope to be.

Trump hired the swamp to run his campaign, that's not a high bar to clear.

It's interesting how AOC has used "new media' to explain the day to day of politics in a way few others have attempted. It's also interesting the reaction of the rightwingers.

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11 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Funny how some folks who thought electing a political outsider to the WH deride AOC as just that. 

Freshman congressmen can't write EOs.

She'll be interesting to watch.

 

 

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What is she, six or seven years too young to run?  I guess that’s enough time to gin up a bullshit hatestorm. Carry on. 

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19 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Freshman congressmen can't write EOs.

She'll be interesting to watch.

 

 

I wasn't comparing the two.  Just pointing out the hypocrisy in the rationale mentioned.

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20 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Jealous that she's already accomplished more than you ever will?

 

It's Sad. Bigly.

 

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Unless people were truly afraid of the concepts Ocasio puts forward, they wouldn't make up stupid memes about her.  This fear is of what?  Typically a fear of taking away a definition "freedom" that minimizes responsibility to the society that they require to maintain them.  Maximize personal return, minimize personal responsibility.  I am concerned about how the responsibility of a lot of people stops at the circle of their immediate family and only continues to the extended family they like.  I would really like a reasoned debate about the need for a two front military vs the need for efficient medical care.  I think they are going to really get their nickers in a twist when the baby boomers suck up wealth and then die.  This will give a lot of power to people born in the 80s.  The boomers will be too old to work and their capital will have to take care of them.  Problem is that the balance of power of capital vs labor will start to tip a bit towards labor.  One of the reasons for democracy was the Black Death.  There were too few workers to support the power structure without making some changes.  I think this will happen again.

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7 minutes ago, Laker said:

I would really like a reasoned debate about the need for a two front military vs the need for efficient medical care. 

"American Interests"?

 

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59 minutes ago, Laker said:

I would really like a reasoned debate about the need for a two front military vs the need for efficient medical care.

Is there someone that doesn't support efficient medical care?

In our current world, what products and services tend to delivered to us most efficiently?  In what sectors do we have the most innovation?  

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2 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

 

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And yet, she's accomplished more in her short life than you ever will.

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2 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Stupid memes say more about the people propagating them then they say about the subject. 

He's just jealous that a young woman has seen some success. Not much yet, and she has much to accomplish before people will say she's had an impact, but her resume already looks better than most on this board. bhyde and Sol, excepted.

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5 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

He's just jealous that a young woman has seen some success. Not much yet, and she has much to accomplish before people will say she's had an impact, but her resume already looks better than most on this board. bhyde and Sol, excepted.

You're planning to sail your own boat to HI next year - getting to the point that you can make that trip ain't a small accomplishment either.  I'd hazard that many here are quite accomplished in their own right, and that some of those are allowing partisan animosity to infect their thoughts as it pertains to what Ms Ocasio might accomplish, or spur others to accomplish.   She's naive - but, she's in office for the right reasons, and THAT is something we all should want to see a lot more of.  

That said - there are a few who's contributions to the forums make me wonder how/if they ever managed to do anything more than carry old tires from the changer to the shredder out back. 

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2 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Stupid memes say more about the people propagating them then they say about the subject. 

Memes...merely trying to keep it simple and less painful...

 

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Her success politically hasn't actually shown much so far.  She won a primary in a solidly democrat district.  Once she did that the rest was pretty much a foregone conclusion.  it's not like her district is gerrymandered or anything.  They did actually elect a republican in 1983 and 1920.  (That may have been when Hillary ran for the House.)  

Kerry was the only presidential candidate to get less than 75% of the vote.

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12 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Her success politically hasn't actually shown much so far.  She won a primary in a solidly democrat district.  Once she did that the rest was pretty much a foregone conclusion.  it's not like her district is gerrymandered or anything.  They did actually elect a republican in 1983 and 1920.  (That may have been when Hillary ran for the House.)  

Kerry was the only presidential candidate to get less than 75% of the vote.

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Hard to be a political success when you haven't been sworn in to office yet.

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7 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Hard to be a political success when you haven't been sworn in to office yet.

I figured getting elected took a bit of politicking.

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24 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

Memes...merely trying to keep it simple and less painful...

 

Memes - " I'm too lazy to worry about context and understanding, so I'll just post the vapid stupidity that some other shallow, incurious person put on my Facebook feed". 

No personal affront intended - I've just never liked the damn things. 

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2 hours ago, jzk said:

Is there someone that doesn't support efficient medical care?

In our current world, what products and services tend to delivered to us most efficiently?  In what sectors do we have the most innovation?  

Son; don't even go there.  US medical, 33% of GDP.  Danish medical 18% GDP and it isn't just because of a homogeneous patient base and if they are in better health guess what, it is because of their system.  Lets try auto insurance.  Much more efficient under a single payer process, especially when auto insurance is required by law.  And on and on.......

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3 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

 

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I thought that was how Trump got elected.  

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5 minutes ago, Laker said:

Son; don't even go there.  US medical, 33% of GDP.  Danish medical 18% GDP and it isn't just because of a homogeneous patient base and if they are in better health guess what, it is because of their system.  Lets try auto insurance.  Much more efficient under a single payer process, especially when auto insurance is required by law.  And on and on.......

Do you have think that the US has a free market health care system?  Why do people in the US spend more money on healthcare?

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9 minutes ago, Laker said:

Son; don't even go there.  US medical, 33% of GDP.  Danish medical 18% GDP and it isn't just because of a homogeneous patient base and if they are in better health guess what, it is because of their system.  Lets try auto insurance.  Much more efficient under a single payer process, especially when auto insurance is required by law.  And on and on.......

Where is there single payer auto insurance?

 

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55 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Her success politically hasn't actually shown much so far.  She won a primary in a solidly democrat district.  Once she did that the rest was pretty much a foregone conclusion.  it's not like her district is gerrymandered or anything.  They did actually elect a republican in 1983 and 1920.  (That may have been when Hillary ran for the House.)  

Kerry was the only presidential candidate to get less than 75% of the vote.

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I wonder how the voting went on rikers and hart island

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18 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Where is there single payer auto insurance?

 

Why don't we just have single payer cars, electronics, food and housing?  We can all drive trabants. 

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10 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Funny little graphic, illustrating what many people have been saying, rightwingers love hating on AOC

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10x the number of articles written, more than 10x the number of shares.

And she's yet to cast a single vote.

 

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2 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

And she's yet to cast a single vote.

 

Hard to vote when you haven't been sworn in yet.

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4 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Hard to vote when you haven't been sworn in yet.

Yep, and that's when we see what she accomplishes.

 

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53 minutes ago, jzk said:

Do you have think that the US has a free market health care system?  Why do people in the US spend more money on healthcare?

Pick me, pick me!!!!

Anytime you "socialize" anything, be it auto insurance, healthcare, college education, whatever, it has to go up for the simple reason that people start thinking in terms of "what is this going to cost me a month in payments?" rather than, "what does this actually cost all up?". Not a damn thing has ever become cheaper by sharing the cost with other, nothing.

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4 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Yep, and that's when we see what she accomplishes.

 

You are funny Mr. Minister. She, like every other congress critter and particularly freshmen congress critters, will be told exactly how to vote by her party's whip.

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3 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Yep, and that's when we see what she accomplishes.

 

Hopefully she does better than Sen. Rubio.....

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8 minutes ago, BillDBastard said:

Pick me, pick me!!!!

Anytime you "socialize" anything, be it auto insurance, healthcare, college education, whatever, it has to go up for the simple reason that people start thinking in terms of "what is this going to cost me a month in payments?" rather than, "what does this actually cost all up?". Not a damn thing has ever become cheaper by sharing the cost with other, nothing.

Ignoring the countries that have "socialist" health care that gives twice the performance for half the cost?

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4 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Ignoring the countries that have "socialist" health care that gives twice the performance for half the cost?

You mean like The United Kingdom where when NHS started out it cost 28% of all revenues collected and now it is north of 40% and still in financial trouble?

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5 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Ignoring the countries that have "socialist" health care that gives twice the performance for half the cost?

As long as you can stand the wait.

We are all about instant gratification and thoroughness.  Ever been to the ER without getting a CAT scan?

 

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Well that has something to do with managed care. Obviously if the provider will pay for a cat scan the doctor or institution doing the billing willinsist on a cat scan. Go back to my earlier post.

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5 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

As long as you can stand the wait.

We are all about instant gratification and thoroughness.  Ever been to the ER without getting a CAT scan?

Ever been out of the US? For that matter, have you ever been in the US?

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15 minutes ago, BillDBastard said:

You mean like The United Kingdom where when NHS started out it cost 28% of all revenues collected and now it is north of 40% and still in financial trouble?

UK spends 9.8% of GDP on healthcare. The US spends 17.9%.

I'm starting to think you are a stupid ideologue Bill.

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And I now know what an abject idiot you are. The United Kindom spends more than 40p of every pound they collect in tax revenue on National Health Service and you think that is a good deal? One other thing, it does not cover everyone. In theory, yes, but in practice those in the upper half of the middle class and upper class all elect private health care. Many travel abroad for surgeries because of the crisis/failure the NHS is. 

Oh yes please, give us some of that!

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5 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

I'm starting to think you are a stupid ideologue Bill.

If by ideologue you mean someone who thinks big gov is bad gov, count me in.

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1 minute ago, BillDBastard said:

And I now know what an abject idiot you are. The United Kindom spends more than 40p of every pound they collect in tax revenue on National Health Service and you think that is a good deal? One other thing, it does not cover everyone. In theory, yes, but in practice those in the upper half of the middle class and upper class all elect private health care. Many travel abroad for surgeries because of the crisis/failure the NHS is. 

Oh yes please, give us some of that!

Well, boy, if yer gonna be stupid we can just put you all on ignore.

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13 minutes ago, BillDBastard said:

And I now know what an abject idiot you are. The United Kindom spends more than 40p of every pound they collect in tax revenue on National Health Service and you think that is a good deal? One other thing, it does not cover everyone. In theory, yes, but in practice those in the upper half of the middle class and upper class all elect private health care. Many travel abroad for surgeries because of the crisis/failure the NHS is. 

Oh yes please, give us some of that!

NHS FY17/8 spending was £124.7bn. UK tax revenues 2017/2018 were £594.3bn.  124.7 / 594.3 = 0.2098.

https://www.health.org.uk/sites/default/files/AutumnBudgetWhatItMeans.pdf

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284298/total-united-kingdom-hmrc-tax-receipts/

So you're stupid rather than informed.

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40 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

As long as you can stand the wait.

We are all about instant gratification and thoroughness.  Ever been to the ER without getting a CAT scan?

 

You mean like when I went in to get my palm sewn up after I stuck a 2" chisel into it? I don't think I have ever had a CAT scan, but the Canadian system does not encourage maximum billing for minimum results.

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17 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

NHS FY17/8 spending was £124.7bn. UK tax revenues 2017/2018 were £594.3bn.  124.7 / 594.3 = 0.2098.

https://www.health.org.uk/sites/default/files/AutumnBudgetWhatItMeans.pdf

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284298/total-united-kingdom-hmrc-tax-receipts/

So you're stupid rather than informed.

Well I guess the BBC has it all wrong then. Note that this chart is dated and spending on NHS increased significantly over the past 12 months.

Graph showing the change in proportion of public services budget spent on health

Yet it seems no matter how much is invested, it's still not enough. (Note this is the BBC's comment)

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6 minutes ago, BillDBastard said:

Well I guess the BBC has it all wrong then. Note that this chart is dated and spending on NHS increased significantly over the past 12 months.

Graph showing the change in proportion of public services budget spent on health

Yet it seems no matter how much is invested, it's still not enough. (Note this is the BBC's comment)

That says proportion of public services budget rather than every pound they collect in tax revenue you fucking moron.

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