Johannos 6 #101 Posted February 5, 2019 There hasn't been built a serious raceboat in the Netherlands since the ABN Amro Volvo 70's though, and those where built by Killian Busche and his team. Anything built so far in the Netherlands is either quite crude in comparison or has been seriously overweight. But yes, Holland composites is a great company, and might be able to pull it off. An other option is Rondal, they have people experienced with raceboats, but are as a company more builders of rigs and components. The aerospace guys from Fokker and airborne might be a safer bet though, as they have more experience in tight tolerances and quality control. (But could they even build a boat?) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alphafb552 370 #102 Posted February 5, 2019 But does anyone else have similar experience in foils and their control systems ? I think that’s the area where their expertise is particularly relevant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,763 #103 Posted February 17, 2019 In case you missed it, Simeon is in Auckland checking out where their base will be. https://www.sail-world.com/news/214699/Americas-Cup-team-proceeding-in-spite-of-dispute Love the optimism, and Carolijn too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiwiJoker 328 #104 Posted February 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Varan said: In case you missed it, Simeon is in Auckland checking out where their base will be. https://www.sail-world.com/news/214699/Americas-Cup-team-proceeding-in-spite-of-dispute Love the optimism, and Carolijn too. Gladwell has his knockers, haters and critics here but I, for one, am glad he's on the case and keeping us current with stuff from the home of the next AC series that local media should be covering -- and isn't! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xlot 714 #105 Posted February 18, 2019 Yawn - same script as previous umpteen wannabe contestants, that then fizzled away. Surprised ETNZ’s wasting everybody’s time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,763 #106 Posted March 4, 2019 Gotta love Carolijn... https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@lockerroom/2019/03/04/470579/the-woman-steering-towards-americas-cup-history Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiwiJoker 328 #107 Posted March 5, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 2:10 AM, Xlot said: Yawn - same script as previous umpteen wannabe contestants, that then fizzled away. Surprised ETNZ’s wasting everybody’s time Don't yawn too long or too often. The pieces are falling into place. The latest with today's Protocol amendment and solidarity announcement by Challenger and Defender. Of course the Dutch still need a big pile of the Green Stuff. That could be their downfall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IPLore 808 #108 Posted March 5, 2019 51 minutes ago, KiwiJoker said: Don't yawn too long or too often. The pieces are falling into place. The latest with today's Protocol amendment and solidarity announcement by Challenger and Defender. Of course the Dutch still need a big pile of the Green Stuff. That could be their downfall. Green? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,516 #109 Posted March 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, IPLore said: Green? Well he specifically said 'green stuff', which when it comes to the Dutch must mean... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 980 #110 Posted March 5, 2019 Nothing beats Dutch optimism. Their promo video is quite funny. Look out New Zealand, The Dutch are coming.! It's not the boat that wins it's the team.! I would say if Ian Percy get's the nod for the Malta Challenge and puts his team together they will be ahead of the Dutch. Great to see a Dutch team though and if you believe in Santa Claus the Dutch can win the Americas Cup. Seriously though I hope they do well..! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lost in Translation 32 #111 Posted March 7, 2019 At least portions of the control systems will likely not be developed by the boat building company, be that Holland Composites or another one. HC has built multihull boats with rudder controls, foils controls, etc but I would think the AC level would warrant separate specialists. I hope they get the build. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Colomba 78 #112 Posted March 23, 2019 https://www.zeilen.nl/nieuws/help-nederland-naar-americas-cup/?fbclid=IwAR2QmCXr9iTGNuxWhEsK3pxEXHSbCWRWYXOa--UaY5hapqIsltMeskrfirA Crowdfunded AC challenge? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,234 #114 Posted March 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, NeedAClew said: OMG. Oh my God indeed..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogwatch 511 #115 Posted March 23, 2019 I thought the standard operating procedure was for the defender to pay for cash-strapped teams. We should ask ourselves, what would Larry have done? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #116 Posted March 23, 2019 This says it all: Tienpont: “We starten pas met innen na 1 april, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,234 #117 Posted March 23, 2019 May be Larry could buy a few of these certificates? Perhaps Ernesto could buy some as well? "The bump is the amount that we have to undertake in terms of obligations. " I wonder what obligations he's referring to? The Reg fee? Performance bond? Design package? They look to be trying to raise 2.4 million euros with these certs, which in itself is not a huge amount with respect to an AC campaign, but it does seem very strange. I think the odds of these guys making the start line just blew out considerably. It might be dawning on a few people why the Dutch have never been in the AC before. They can't raise the cash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rskiff 109 #118 Posted March 23, 2019 Sailing Anarchys' AC fund that was raised years ago could be contibuted perhaps! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiwiJoker 328 #119 Posted March 24, 2019 21 hours ago, Colomba said: https://www.zeilen.nl/nieuws/help-nederland-naar-americas-cup/?fbclid=IwAR2QmCXr9iTGNuxWhEsK3pxEXHSbCWRWYXOa--UaY5hapqIsltMeskrfirA Crowdfunded AC challenge? Doesn't look promising.. With just seven days before the funds have to hit the NZ bank, a desperate all-hands-to-the-pumps appeal! "Behind the scenes we are feverishly securing the financing of the entire campaign. With governments, in the maritime sector, with the knowledge and innovation partner, and with institutions, funds, founding fathers and with private individuals. All in all it looks great, but what we can now use well is that a large group of private individuals say: I am participating now. I sign up for DutchSail certificates! We want to give that final boost with a large group of enthusiastic private individuals. Yes, those individuals are going to make the difference." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #120 Posted March 24, 2019 Looking for some comments on the (very last minute) crowdfunding campaign, I spotted this rather unbelievable statement from Simeon Tienpont, in Clubracer In Dutch: https://www.clubracer.be/2019/3/21/simeon-tienpont-we-hebben-harde-deadline-1-april Slightly redacted google translate of 1st April joke: Clubracer: The Netherlands does not have data, which is why last month's visit to New Zealand by Simeon and managing director Eelco Blok was a key moment for the campaign. Simeon: “We found a partner in the kiwis here about that data. Until February 2021 we have an open data agreement with the New Zealand team about the design of the boat. ” J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 980 #121 Posted March 25, 2019 I think most people doubted the Dutch announcement from day one and questioned Simeon's credentials. This latest news re funding only fuels the fire IMO. Let's be realistic I would like too know what Simeon is going to pay himself? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,069 #122 Posted March 25, 2019 He's gonna sink some lead, slipped there I mean gold, into the endeavour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCARECROW 558 #123 Posted March 25, 2019 I’d really like to think this was a joke at their expense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Curious 399 #124 Posted March 27, 2019 "during the many training kilometers, sensors will map the still unknown currents in the North Sea." Yes, of course a mega-expensive sailing boat run by people who are intent on winning a race is a highly efficient way to measure currents. Sending out a powerboat run by oceanographers or other trained people would be far, far too expensive and inneffective. I think we have just found the winner of the "dumbest justification for an AC campaign" award. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,077 #125 Posted March 27, 2019 A weighty decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dedam 0 #126 Posted March 29, 2019 We know Mischa is a Heemskerk but you have to include him. Most expirense with foiling. He is the Dutch Glenn Ashby. What foiling Carolijn Brouwer did Lately? Without Mischa forget it!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,822 #127 Posted March 29, 2019 mischa isn't much of a joiner 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johannos 6 #128 Posted March 29, 2019 Join what? All they have is a pr campaign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dedam 0 #129 Posted March 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: mischa isn't much of a joiner Mischa isn't much of a joiner. In Dutch words means Mischa is a Heemkerk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #130 Posted March 31, 2019 Playing Playstation to win? well... https://newsofdayonline.com/playing-playstation-to-win-the-americas-cup/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johannos 6 #131 Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Tornado-Cat said: Playing Playstation to win? well... https://newsofdayonline.com/playing-playstation-to-win-the-americas-cup/ “We are the best boat builders in the world,” she said. Ah! That's why so many raceboats are being built over there! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #132 Posted April 1, 2019 From the imaginary Fake Page: Very good news, and no worries for Dutch Fail, they have just secured more then 25 million !!! My demented Grandpa, who himself is an ex 12 meter champion, just got a job with the team as sweeper upper, and he got all the latest news. Apparently the Clogs with their legendary short arms and deep pockets have had the shear luck that their crowd funding certificates have become collectors items and are now worth 1000 fold of the original 2400. This afternoon they delivered 3 million in cash to the RNZ Scoundrels, in their famous Fucker Friendship plane, which will now take the mould with a half finished NZ hull back to the Lowlands It was also announced that just like team NZ, the team will exclusively consist of over the hill ex White-bread and Volvo-drivers, and will indeed include Dirk de Fiddler as foil ballast trimmer. Construction will begin soon after 1st April, and sea trials are expected to conclude on 1st April 2020. You heard it first on the SA front page, Braindead Cockup Forever. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JMOD 77 #133 Posted April 4, 2019 a lot of layman's terms intended to get some outreach Scheveningen also wants to get a toprace to the Netherlands next year - but at sea April 2, 2019 , 21:35 Oracle Team USA celebrates victory in 2013, during the America's Cup. Picture Getty Images Zandvoort is working hard on the resurrection of the Formula 1 race in 2020, but there is still a Dutch coastal town that wants to win a high-tech race next year. Scheveningen then hoping to get the America's Cup to host the game, which sailed since 1851 between countries. Due to the technical sophistication of the boats which are in turn built above, this race is called the Formula 1 of sailing. Scheveningen attracted 337,500 visitors last year in eight days after another sailing race, the Volvo Ocean Race, there was ended. What was the revenue for the city, this week will be clear thanks to an evaluation. The Hague has no doubt that it is positive. The College of Mayor and Aldermen has long been working to position the port as the zeezeilcentrum of northwestern Europe. The America's Cup also fits nicely in there. Oracle Team USA Picture / Photo Sande End of this month is clear if Netherlands for the first time will participate in this race. Simeon Ten Pont, one of the skippers in the last Volvo Ocean Race, has about eight months ago in a Scheveningen team set up before trying to raise money. As a member of the American team has twice won the America's Cup. New Zealand De volgende editie wordt in 2021 in Nieuw-Zeeland verzeild. Als DutchSail, de naam van Tienponts nieuwe initiatief, erin slaagt om mee te doen, dan zal volgend jaar voor de kust van Scheveningen een van de races worden gehouden waarin de aanstaande deelnemers hun boten tegen elkaar testen. Ook al zijn er in deze voorwedstrijden nog maar weinig punten te verdienen, ze leveren wel een spectaculair schouwspel op. De laatste America’s Cup werd gezeild in catamarans met ‘foils’ (draagvleugels), die met snelheden tot 85 kilometer per uur het wedstrijdparcours rondvlogen. Het team dat toen met overmacht won, Emirates Team New Zealand, heeft daarna bepaald dat de volgende editie wordt gevaren in ruim 20 meter lange monohulls (eenrompige boten) die ook foils hebben. Deze zijn daardoor even snel als de catamarans. Conceptboot AC75, 2017. Beeld Virtual Eye / Emirates Team New In het recente verleden beschikten de rijkste teams over een budget van meer dan 100 miljoen euro en ook nu zal dat bij minstens een deelnemer weer het geval zijn. Tienpont heeft laten doorschemeren dat hij 60 miljoen euro wil ophalen om een serieuze poging te kunnen doen, flink meer dan de 40 miljoen die Zandvoort nodig heeft om weer een Grand Prix te kunnen organiseren. Dat geld heeft Tienpont evenwel nog niet en hij is aan de late kant. Enkele teams zijn al na de vorige editie van 2017 begonnen aan het ontwerp en de bouw van hun boot, een voorsprong die niet meer is in te halen. Over 21 maanden staan de wedstrijden gepland die bepalen wie Nieuw-Zeeland mag uitdagen voor het alles beslissende eindduel. Zes teams hebben zich daarvoor ingeschreven, maar van slechts drie staat vast dat ze echt gaan meedoen. Lees ook: Hoe Mark Slats in 214 dagen non-stop de wereld over zeilde: ‘Het is eigenlijk onverantwoord’ Onverantwoord, vinden kenners, maar Mark Slats flikte het. In zijn eentje zeilde hij in 214 dagen non-stop de wereld over en werd tweede in de Golden Globe Race. Nummer 3 wordt verwacht in maart. De Nieuw-Zeelanders, die als titelhouder de nieuwe race organiseren, hopen op meer deelnemers om er een aantrekkelijke wedstrijd van te maken. Ongewoon voorstel Zij hebben daarom het ongewone voorstel gedaan dat DutchSail het ontwerp mag kopen van de basisboot die zij hebben ontwikkeld. Afhankelijkheid van een concurrent lijkt een weinig aanlokkelijk perspectief, toch gaan de Nederlanders op dat aanbod in. Er kan broodnodige tijdwinst mee worden geboekt en de vorm van de romp is niet meer zo belangrijk als vroeger; de boten verheffen zich bij de geringste wind al uit het water dankzij de foils. Het ontwerp van die veelbepalende draagvleugels ligt wél in handen van DutchSail. Tienpont zoekt daarom in Nederland niet alleen gulle sponsors, maar ook technologische bijstand van de maritieme sector en de luchtvaart – een foil lijkt qua vorm sterk op een vleugel van een vliegtuig. De bouw van de boot moet in mei van start gaan om op schema te blijven. Eind deze maand dient het benodigde geld er dus te zijn. ‘Het wordt ongelooflijk spannend of we de financiering rond krijgen’, liet DutchSail afgelopen maandag weten. Zeilen zonder ervaring, kan dat? Als onervaren kapitein met twee waardeloze, maar trouwe matrozen een weekje zeilen op een jacht in Kroatië. Bij voorbaat een slecht plan of een uitstekend alternatief voor een vakantie in Cherso? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #134 Posted April 4, 2019 13 hours ago, JMOD said: a lot of layman's terms intended to get some outreach What's the fucking point of posting that article? There is absolutely nothing new in that article, badly written, and who reads Dutch here anyway. Absolutely no point in translating it. Wonder what you smoke in that pipe of yours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,054 #135 Posted April 5, 2019 On 4/4/2019 at 6:53 AM, dg_sailingfan said: Apparently the proposed (conditional) America's Cup World Series Event in Scheveningen has been confirmed for 2020 per local Dutch Newspaper https://www.volkskrant.nl/sport/ook-scheveningen-wil-volgend-jaar-een-toprace-naar-nederland-halen-maar-dan-op-zee~b1bbac4ec/?referer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FdhZXOEZLjG I'm not very good a Dutch so if anyone would be so kind to translate this Article that would be nice Den Haag/Scheveningen isn't that far away from my Hometown so if they indeed have some Racing there I might consider travelling there in June 2020 without having to crawl my way to Auckland to see these Boats. But you said you hope they don't make it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #136 Posted April 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, Forourselves said: But you said you hope they don't make it. Regardless, I think dg would like to meet up with that Schakel genius. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #137 Posted April 5, 2019 31 minutes ago, Forourselves said: dg: "Apparently the proposed (conditional) America's Cup World Series Event in Scheveningen has been confirmed for 2020 per local Dutch Newspaper". You are not supposed to quote iggynorant people, but dg is wrong again, the article says they hope to get the event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lakrass 148 #138 Posted April 5, 2019 20 hours ago, JMOD said: Conceptboot AC75, 2017. Beeld Virtual Eye / Emirates Team New Did they included the hull color scheme in TNZ design package? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,516 #139 Posted April 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Lakrass said: Did they included the hull color scheme in TNZ design package? Yes, this is about as bad a photoshop as you could get... like it was knocked up by the office admin in 5 minutes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,077 #140 Posted April 5, 2019 Do they have enough money for an office admin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 2,119 #141 Posted April 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said: Regardless, I think dg would like to meet up with that Schakel genius. I liked Schakel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eiar 3 #142 Posted April 6, 2019 As sailor of cloggy descent still find it a shame they have not gone with a Flying Dutchman theme that could have international appeal for funding - the dark horse and pirate imago let alone the black magic mystique of the myth could have so many wonderful angles to base a team culture and funding around... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alphafb552 370 #143 Posted April 6, 2019 Here in the Netherlands, the Flying Dutchman angle remains firmly connected to Conny van Rietschoten and his Flyers in the Whitbread Round the World Race (even after all these years) Very difficult to repurpose that image now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #144 Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/6/2019 at 2:57 AM, Rennmaus said: I liked Schakel Indeed, he was rather special but never malicious... Sorry to have missed Schakel in Scheveningen last year, he was probably hanging out with @shanghisailor . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,234 #145 Posted April 7, 2019 7 hours ago, alphafb552 said: Very difficult to repurpose that image now... The Flyer legacy is a great story, and goes back to my earliest memories of the Whitbread. If it can used to get Dutch people to get behind the Dutch AC campaign, then why not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #146 Posted April 7, 2019 Schackel is a nice guy, unlike some here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 2,119 #147 Posted April 7, 2019 7 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said: Indeed, he was rather special but never malicious... Sorry to have missed Schakel in Scheveningen last year, he was probably hanging out with @shanghisailor . We missed them both, the more we enjoyed hanging out with you. Good times Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #148 Posted April 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rennmaus said: We missed them both, the more we enjoyed hanging out with you. Good times Thanks Renny, it's all relative I guess, but I was certainly most honoured to meet the famous Rennmaus, the most, if not the only civilized poster in AC Anarchy ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 2,119 #149 Posted April 7, 2019 25 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said: Thanks Renny, it's all relative I guess, but I was certainly most honoured to meet the famous Rennmaus, the most, if not the only civilized poster in AC Anarchy ! Thread drift over... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailGeeks 8 #150 Posted April 11, 2019 I hope they make it. I am looking forward to seeing what the Dutch rudder is like. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daan62 270 #151 Posted April 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, tomcheney said: I hope they make it. I am looking forward to seeing what the Dutch rudder is like. me, too! (i'm a member of the KNZ&RV since 1977...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daan62 270 #152 Posted April 19, 2019 https://www.zeilen.nl/nieuws/interview-simeon-tienpont-dutchsail/ and yes, it's in dutch... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,077 #153 Posted April 19, 2019 They are crowdfunding $2.4m over 2 years of installments and are about halfway there. Then a main sponsor. Carolijn, no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woolfy 267 #154 Posted April 19, 2019 8 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said: They need a MAIN SPONSOR in the next two or three weeks otherwise they'll be OUT. No surprises there. On the positive side he seems quite optimistic that potential big sponsors (3 irons in the fire) could come good. The show ain't over 'til the fat lady sings. I hope they make it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zander 160 #155 Posted April 22, 2019 I hope they will make the cup, but I remain sceptical. There is not much money for sports in the country. IIRC the shirt sponsorship deal for Ajax football team –the biggest name in sport in the country- is around 10-12 million euro per year. Yes there are some very wealthy individuals, but in recent years they have not shown much enthusiasm for sponsoring sailing teams (you could count Pieter Heerema’s VG adventure if you want to be generous). I am not sure if Mean Machine is still around and otherwise I am struggling to think of a Dutch “grand-prix” level sailing team. Most large companies are shareholder owned, and I can’t imagine many CEOs willing to go to a shareholder meeting with the news that they will pour North of 50 million euro into an America’s cup campaign. I just do not see how you would convince the shareholders that this is better value than paying out dividends or buying back shares. Can only hope I am wrong, and that one of the wealthy investor types decides he or she owns a brand they want to promote to the global sailing audience…. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,763 #156 Posted April 23, 2019 Funding update https://www.sail-world.com/news/216614/Americas-Cup-DutchSail-updates-on-funding Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogwatch 511 #157 Posted April 23, 2019 In an interview with Dutch sailing magazine www.zeilen.nl, skipper Simeon Tienpont says that their Crowdfunding program which offers 1000 shares in the America's Cup program, requiring an investment of €100 per month for 24 months, has been 50% subscribed So even over the entire 24 months that is 500 x €100 x 24 = €1.2M. Fuck-all then. Only teenage girls are permitted to use the phrase "super exciting" without attracting derision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #158 Posted April 23, 2019 I hope they make it but the main interest of this challenge would have been Mischa Heemskerk, and I think he is not in, so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,516 #159 Posted May 7, 2019 https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/112510674/struggling-dutch-reaffirm-commitment-to-americas-cup Struggling Dutch reaffirm commitment to America's Cup The Dutch say they have received a handful of firm corporate commitments and "discussions with a main sponsor are promising". etc etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,054 #160 Posted May 7, 2019 3 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said: Conclusion: They won't make it. You need to start building now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,054 #161 Posted May 7, 2019 3 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said: @Forourselves, Your beloved AC.com Website has once again "doctored" a Headline America's Cup.com Website has "Doctored" the DutchSail Headline While they say DUTCHSAIL: BEHIND THE SCENES EVERYTHING IS STILL PROGRESSING an Article on yachtracinglife points to a much bleaker picture America’s Cup: DutchSail in ‘a struggle against time’ https://yachtracing.life/americas-cup-dutchsail-in-a-struggle-against-time/ I really hate seeing ETNZ/LR doctoring Headlines. Here is the Bottom Line: Given the timeframe ETNZ's COO Kevin Shoebridge outlined last month that it takes 9 months to built an AC 75 DutchSail is almost done. They need to start building their Boat in less than 4 weeks, at the beginning of June to launch in February and therefore make it to Cagliari for the 1st ACWS Event in late April 2020 and I just don't see them making it. You've been saying that for a long time, 2 weeks ago you were "expecting them to withdraw by the end of the week" and that never happened. No one cares if you don't see them making it, no one cares, because it doesn't matter what you think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,054 #162 Posted May 7, 2019 6 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said: It's interesting to note though that DutchSail giving Updates https://www.americascup.com/en/news/254_DUTCHSAIL-BEHIND-THE-SCENES-EVERYTHING-IS-STILL-PROGRESSING ...compared to the Altus Challenge who remains dead silent for months now. Its all Malta's fault! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,054 #163 Posted May 31, 2019 6 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said: DutchSail (Simeon Tienpont) has until July 1st 2019 (a month from now) to confirm Participation for AC36. I predict the same I predicted with the Altus Challenge that they will be withdrawing as well. Shut the fuck up you stupid cunt. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,069 #164 Posted June 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Forourselves said: Shut the fuck up you stupid cunt. Ha ha, it didn't answer " why am I a cunt" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #165 Posted June 1, 2019 I wish the dutch make it, as I did for the froggies, but let's be serious, they have no chance to win beginning now. So, if they want to find a sponsor they have to either, lie, tell them that it's financially worth participate, or that they can only win the next edition. I think dg-sailingfan has more chance to win his prediction than the contrary. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #166 Posted June 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said: They have no snowballs chance to complete an AC 75 Race Yacht by Cagliari 2020. I think that Boat build Deadline has already passed. They have to be "Race ready" in late April 2020 and they won't. Oh, they change the prot another time, but challengers would not be very happy, and more importantly, whatever modification no team can win entering now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 308 #167 Posted June 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said: Oh, they change the prot another time, but challengers would not be very happy, and more importantly, whatever modification no team can win entering now. TC you are normally rational. But if the Dutch - can not win entering now, why would the other challengers be very unhappy? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #168 Posted June 1, 2019 44 minutes ago, Kiwing said: TC you are normally rational. Kiwing you forgot something. fart-wav-2.wav Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #169 Posted June 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Kiwing said: TC you are normally rational. But if the Dutch - can not win entering now, why would the other challengers be very unhappy? ^^ You have a good point ! But, if we are rational, the first teams to be ready will refuse any more delays that could help any other team and any chance a non losing team could inflict damage to their boat. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Class Sailor 175 #170 Posted June 14, 2019 5 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said: I found this on Carolijn Brouwer's IG Account. Brouwer was supposed to be helming the Dutch Entry in 2021. That surely does look like that she isn't interested anymore in the AC. Like the Malta Challenge before them the DutchSail Challenge has gone DEAD SILENT. Read from that what you want. It really was a fools errand to believe that they would make the Startline with their Crowd Fund junk. Stop talking out of your arse. I saw Caroljn at the event. She was there because she lives in Australia and wanted to go sailing with her friends. In terms of the AC, you can read nothing into Caroljn sailing that event. She said that if they can get the money, she is still in with the team. There is a completely different discussion to be had about whether they will get the money or not. Caroljn wouldn't say very much, except that they aren't out yet and that they do have enough sponsorship agreed to make it worthwhile continuing to look for more but not enough to go full on yet. My guess is that they have over half the money they need and I get the impression that they are still giving themselves another month or 2. I personally don't see them getting up, but that is not based on anything than gut feel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #171 Posted June 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, A Class Sailor said: I saw Caroljn at the event. She was there because she lives in Australia and wanted to go sailing with her friends. In terms of the AC, you can read nothing into Caroljn sailing that event. She said that if they can get the money, she is still in with the team. Yes, you did not see Ben, Jimmy, TH or PB at this or any other relative events. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 308 #172 Posted June 14, 2019 if they are more than half way (IF?) then a discussion with their major suppliers might get them there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woolfy 267 #173 Posted June 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said: Yes, you did not see Ben, Jimmy, TH or PB at this or any other relative events. They've got a boat to sail, at the moment the Dutch haven't, what's a girl supposed to do, sit around playing with her doll house? Of course she's going to go sailing on any boat available. PB has only just been seen winning a 49er regatta, does this mean ETNZ are out too? Just asking...... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #174 Posted June 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Woolfy said: They've got a boat to sail, at the moment the Dutch haven't, what's a girl supposed to do, sit around playing with her doll house? Of course she's going to go sailing on any boat available. PB has only just been seen winning a 49er regatta, does this mean ETNZ are out too? Just asking...... 49 e is his specialty and aligned with the skills required for the new boat, he is not losing his time on a regular mono. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johannos 6 #175 Posted June 14, 2019 Withdrawal from AC, shift of resources to the Ocean race, start development of a crewed imoca and sailing team, build it in the Netherlands to gain experience in high end race boats. When key positions in management and logistics, sailing, development, and build team are filled and have gained experience, start finding funds to get in to an AC campaign. Let's go! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woolfy 267 #176 Posted June 14, 2019 57 minutes ago, Johannos said: Withdrawal from AC, shift of resources to the Ocean race, start development of a crewed imoca and sailing team, build it in the Netherlands to gain experience in high end race boats. When key positions in management and logistics, sailing, development, and build team are filled and have gained experience, start finding funds to get in to an AC campaign. Let's go! That's great and if that's how it works out then so be it, better to turn up next time than not at all. I'd love to see a Dutch challenge this time round and still hope they do make it but accept that the odds are against this. Despite what others say it's not too late to start building so I think that if the funds do fall into place they'll be there, sounding unlikely but my fingers are crossed for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woolfy 267 #177 Posted June 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said: 49 e is his specialty and aligned with the skills required for the new boat, he is not losing his time on a regular mono. Any time on the water is never wasted, you should know that. My point is that just because someone is sailing a boat that isn't like a foiler it's wrong to assume that they're out of the AC, they could just be having some fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #178 Posted June 15, 2019 21 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said: 49 e is his specialty and aligned with the skills required for the new boat, he is not losing his time on a regular mono. PB "lost" 9 months of his time on a pretty regular Volvo 65 mono, just over a year ago. Actually, that was also a skill required for the "new boat", as I can tell you that you don't really count in TNZ unless you have sailed a Whitbread or Volvo race. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,234 #179 Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Fiji Bitter said: PB "lost" 9 months of his time on a pretty regular Volvo 65 mono, He learn't the new skill of being wet and cold for long stretches. Why the fuck they have such low free board on a one design I'll never know. They ship green water like a submarine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #180 Posted June 15, 2019 33 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: He learn't the new skill of being wet and cold for long stretches. Why the fuck they have such low free board on a one design I'll never know. They ship green water like a submarine. That's because PB can now stand up to Grunter and Shoebie and say: "fuck, now I know why you guys are such tough bastards". And so can Simeon and Peter for that matter, don't count them out yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #181 Posted June 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said: PB "lost" 9 months of his time on a pretty regular Volvo 65 mono, just over a year ago. Last AC was in 2017, PB raced the Volvo in 2018 and is surely now concentrating on how to sail the AC75. BTW, he finished only 4th out of seven on team Brunel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #182 Posted June 15, 2019 29 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said: Last AC was in 2017, PB raced the Volvo in 2018 and is surely now concentrating on how to sail the AC75. BTW, he finished only 4th out of seven on team Brunel. PB is now more likely concentrating on Tokio 2020, and the AC75 simulator. Volvo race was 2017-2018, and he was on the podium in 3rd, after equal points before the last leg. Oh man, you really suck as much as your buddy dg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #183 Posted June 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said: PB is now more likely concentrating on Tokio 2020, and the AC75 simulator. Volvo race was 2017-2018, and he was on the podium in 3rd, after equal points before the last leg. Oh man, you really suck as much as your buddy dg. It began in Alicante Oct 22nd and finished in 2018, which means after AC35 and not before, so it was not to prepare it as you say. And yes, he finished 3rd. Sucker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,442 #184 Posted June 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Tornado-Cat said: It began in Alicante Oct 22nd and finished in 2018, which means after AC35 and not before, so it was not to prepare it as you say. And yes, he finished 3rd. Sucker. JFC, it was to prepare for AC36, read my post #203 and 205 again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 849 #185 Posted June 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said: JFC, it was to prepare for AC36, read my post #203 and 205 again. Nothing about AC36 in your posts. Anyway, all the point of the discussion was that he has better to do now, which is to focus on the simulator or a small AC75 and soon the real one. Same Jimmy, Ben and DB. But you can still keep arguing nonsense... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,054 #186 Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, dg_sailingfan said: Tienpont has rougly one more week, 10 Days to be precise. It's now PUT UP or SHUT UP for them! A couple of months ago you expected them to withdraw that week. Why is it never PUT UP or SHUT UP for you!? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,516 #187 Posted June 20, 2019 Apparently they've promoted A4E from YouTube pirate to being in charge of entries for AC36 - and he's one tough cookie! Poor Tienpont being held to the flame like this, I do hope he'll recover... If only he applied his 'PUT UP or SHUT UP' law to his own self... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
animeproblem 214 #188 Posted June 21, 2019 ^ I only care about the SHUT UP part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rskiff 109 #189 Posted July 1, 2019 Dutch are offically out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,054 #190 Posted July 1, 2019 Lets just get ahead of the curve here...some on here (no names mentioned) would have us believe that a withdrawal from the AC by the Dutch Sail Team would be equivalent to the end of the world as it pertains to the AC. However, I'm sure most of us can agree, at this stage, while it is certainly not ideal, it would be neither surprising or shocking. More challengers make for a better event, however, we have a new, revolutionary new concept, 3 strong Challengers, an underdog story, and a very capable Defender. The event has all it needs to be successful. Everyone hopes the Dutch will make it to the start line in 2020/ 2021, but if they withdraw, it certainly won't be as catastrophic, or the end of the world scenario some would have us believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,054 #191 Posted July 1, 2019 Dutch are out, tomorrow is Tuesday, no big deal. Share this post Link to post
