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11 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

are you telling me that screw belongs to the hinge in your box? and fell out and has been rattling around in the bottom until you just found it?

Mikey, I've removed hundreds of screws from old timber..some of them hundreds of years old..non of them looked like that..unless the wood was rotten to the point of disintergration.

You remind me of that scientific study that claimed bumble bees can't actually fly.

I show you something that exists, and then you claim it doesn't actually exist.

And you wrote that you were going to get back to me on the "inconsistencies." Changed your mind on that?

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14 hours ago, Lark said:

It’s positive threaded?   Positive thread profile is sometimes used on surgical pins, but I haven’t seen it on screw shafts.   It does look a bit corroded compared to the cigar box.   

It seems to be threaded the regular way but apparently without the aid of an automatic lathe. The head is no more corroded than the other screws that didn't fall out, I have no idea how long it had been inside the box. There are a lot of little crevices in the joinery, it may have been in a crevice and then feel out when turned the box over to get photos for the DA.

Based on the six empty screw holes from the second retrofit, and the empty hole from which it fell, it seems likely that the corrosion happened inside the hole from the hardwood.

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It's time for this thread to die. 

You asked your question/virtue signalled

You took action without needing/getting input from the group

You got a bunch of kudos

You've pontificated and theorized and navel gazed

You got Meli involved, thereby creating a perpetual feedback loop between the two most pedantic participants in this forum

You've gone on for three pages now.

Let it rest, man. Give the thing away, keep it, or sell it. Just stop talking about it. 

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On ‎1‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 9:40 AM, mikewof said:

Here's a photo of the screw that fell out ... it was from the first retrofit.20190116_073242.thumb.jpg.0ab8a64d18be1eadd9d1ee09ec8e4c67.jpg

Interesting. Screw does not look like an out of the ordinary screw, perhaps from the 60's or 70's. Thread pattern does not look asymmetrical, covered in debris and /or corrosion.

Harder to tell is what material the screw is made out of but having removed my share of old brass or bronze screws, it looks to ferris. Brass or bronze usually has either a green patina or a red patina, which does not seem to be the case here.

So screws really have only been around from the very late 1700's to early 1800's. Automated screw production started in like 1850 and lathe cut screws at the very end of the 1800's. Attempts to modernize/standardize screws took a while differing stands first started appearing in the 1840's and is was not until 100+ years later that the US, UK and Canada settled on the coarse and fine thread patterns we use today.

Is is a flat blade head or something else? That too could help identify the age of the screw or narrow down a time frame.

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4 hours ago, mikewof said:

You remind me of that scientific study that claimed bumble bees can't actually fly.

I show you something that exists, and then you claim it doesn't actually exist.

And you wrote that you were going to get back to me on the "inconsistencies." Changed your mind on that?

yeah, waste of time.

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3 hours ago, BillDBastard said:

Interesting. Screw does not look like an out of the ordinary screw, perhaps from the 60's or 70's. Thread pattern does not look asymmetrical, covered in debris and /or corrosion.

Harder to tell is what material the screw is made out of but having removed my share of old brass or bronze screws, it looks to ferris. Brass or bronze usually has either a green patina or a red patina, which does not seem to be the case here.

So screws really have only been around from the very late 1700's to early 1800's. Automated screw production started in like 1850 and lathe cut screws at the very end of the 1800's. Attempts to modernize/standardize screws took a while differing stands first started appearing in the 1840's and is was not until 100+ years later that the US, UK and Canada settled on the coarse and fine thread patterns we use today.

Is is a flat blade head or something else? That too could help identify the age of the screw or narrow down a time frame.

The hinge appears to be hand cut, and brass, greenish patina, not sure about the screws, but the heads are flat and slotted, with the slots off center on all the screws. The thread density is uneven, apparently not from an automatic lathe with a decent leadscrew.

By "ferris" do you actually mean ferrous? Yes, it's ferrous, I checked it with a magnet, thanks for the suggestion.

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3 hours ago, IStream said:

It's time for this thread to die. 

You asked your question/virtue signalled

You took action without needing/getting input from the group

You got a bunch of kudos

You've pontificated and theorized and navel gazed

You got Meli involved, thereby creating a perpetual feedback loop between the two most pedantic participants in this forum

You've gone on for three pages now.

Let it rest, man. Give the thing away, keep it, or sell it. Just stop talking about it. 

You forgot Bent :) 

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3 hours ago, IStream said:

It's time for this thread to die. 

You asked your question/virtue signalled

You took action without needing/getting input from the group

You got a bunch of kudos

You've pontificated and theorized and navel gazed

You got Meli involved, thereby creating a perpetual feedback loop between the two most pedantic participants in this forum

You've gone on for three pages now.

Let it rest, man. Give the thing away, keep it, or sell it. Just stop talking about it. 

I'm looking to learn about it, and find a suitable home for it if possible. I've no desire to sell it. I've learned more about it since this thread started, in part due to feedback here. For instance, I didn't think to check the screw against a magnet until Bill asked about it.

If you don't like this thread, maybe you should stop reading it and get back to your work?

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18 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

yeah, waste of time.

In other words, you have nothing to add? Your absence will save me some time, so thank you.

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26 minutes ago, mikewof said:

The hinge appears to be hand cut, and brass, greenish patina, not sure about the screws, but the heads are flat and slotted, with the slots off center on all the screws. The thread density is uneven, apparently not from an automatic lathe with a decent leadscrew.

By "ferris" do you actually mean ferrous? Yes, it's ferrous, I checked it with a magnet, thanks for the suggestion.

I think he meant "ferris" as in ferris wheel. Which is what this thread is turning into. It just keeps going around and around and around.

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On 1/15/2019 at 1:40 PM, VOA said:

Post the photos of the antique hardware. Go on, it’s not difficult 

He’s still got his Nokia, well that was one old excuse he’s used before. 

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3 minutes ago, mad said:

He’s still got his Nokia, well that was one old excuse he’s used before. 

I never wrote that, you're confusing me with someone else whom you also stalk.

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On 1/16/2019 at 11:38 AM, Shortforbob said:

That's meaningless..Any restorer has screws recovered from old furniture . Though there were manufactured screws from about 1850..doesn't follow that the whole world suddenly stopped using older screws. They were a valuable commodity and they were saving people. Visit any old farm and you'll find jars of old screws ..lovingly preserved in sump oil :D 

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It's also not uncommon for a restorer to "make" handmade screws..you get an old manufactured wood screw, usually one with a stripped slot, grind the top back and hand cut a new slot. I've done it myself when needed.

If you ever get back to the UK, take a tour of Stow On The Wold in the Cotswolds..theres more beautiful 17thC fakes there than a tourist could dream of..and I've had to "restore" a few:rolleyes:

Honestly Mike, you're an antique dealers dream come true.

This!!! 

My grandfather had hundreds of jars of screws in his workshop, his father and brother were furniture makers and they hoarded everything!  And I mean everything, it’s took weeks to clear. 

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12 minutes ago, bmiller said:

I think he meant "ferris" as in ferris wheel. Which is what this thread is turning into. It just keeps going around and around and around.

I've never met a sailor who turned away the offer of free booze. You asked about the box, you seem to visit us lowlanders on occasion, you're welcome to stop by anytime and have a look. I'll even hook you up with free spark plugs for your vehicle.

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19 hours ago, Lark said:

It’s positive threaded?   Positive thread profile is sometimes used on surgical pins, but I haven’t seen it on screw shafts.   It does look a bit corroded compared to the cigar box.   

That’s a lot of corrosion for a box that is this old, dry and in seemingly good condition otherwise. Surprised the wood hasn’t deformed or split with that. 

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4 hours ago, IStream said:

It's time for this thread to die. 

You asked your question/virtue signalled

You took action without needing/getting input from the group

You got a bunch of kudos

You've pontificated and theorized and navel gazed

You got Meli involved, thereby creating a perpetual feedback loop between the two most pedantic participants in this forum

You've gone on for three pages now.

Let it rest, man. Give the thing away, keep it, or sell it. Just stop talking about it. 

Well fucking said :lol:

Consider yourself politely golf clapped from the green. 

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10 minutes ago, mad said:

That’s a lot of corrosion for a box that is this old, dry and in seemingly good condition otherwise. Surprised the wood hasn’t deformed or split with that. 

You seem not to know the way corrosion works. Materials corrode when there is oxygen to bind. If the oxygen is weakly bound to the hydrocarbons in the wood, it can be stable, but they'll jump to a lower potential bond in a different material if there is a conducting pathway for them to do so ... such as the two materials touching.

There can be major corrosion with certain foams that have essentially zero water content. Water can loan oxygen for the reaction, but so can other molecules.

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3 minutes ago, mikewof said:

You seem not to know the way corrosion works. Materials corrode when there is oxygen to bind. If the oxygen is weakly bound to the hydrocarbons in the wood, it can be stable, but they'll jump to a lower potential bond in a different material if there is a conducting pathway for them to do so ... such as the two materials touching.

Ahem..That would imply that all screw in wood...rust . not to mention nails.odd how all that furniture in museums isn't falling to bits..all those corroded nails and screws.

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26 minutes ago, bmiller said:

I think he meant "ferris" as in ferris wheel. Which is what this thread is turning into. It just keeps going around and around and around.

Indeede.

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16 minutes ago, mikewof said:

I never wrote that, you're confusing me with someone else whom you also stalk.

You seem to remember it well. You obviously figured heavily in that thread as well. 

Was it the sash weight thread? 

Just wondering which thread or forum you plagiarising this from?  

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2 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Ahem..That would imply that all screw in wood...rust . not to mention nails.odd how all that furniture in museums isn't falling to bits..all those corroded nails and screws.

No. There is typically a skin depth to corrosion because the oxidized layer presents its own diffusion barrier and conduction barrier.

This may seem like witchcraft to someone with your expertise, but it's pretty much materials science 101. It's also the basis of how the semiconductors in your phone work.

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8 minutes ago, mad said:

You seem to remember it well. You obviously figured heavily in that thread as well. 

Was it the sash weight thread? 

Just wondering which thread or forum you plagiarising this from?  

I never had a Nokia, at least not in the last many years, it's been Samsung for several phones now. Your memory is failing.

Mad/Meli/iStream - "Hey, shut this thread down!"

Mike - "uh, maybe stop posting here then?"

Med/Meli/iStream - "We need to post a lot more to tell you how much we hate this thread!"

FFS.

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Mikey, you have a cat..you have a box..

Put the cat in the box..in 20 years your kids can follow on this thread and say it's a 3000 year old cat sarcophagus :D

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10 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Mikey, you have a cat..you have a box..

Put the cat in the box..in 20 years your kids can follow on this thread and say it's a 3000 year old cat sarcophagus :D

In 20 years it's going to be compost.

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3 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Mikey, you have a cat..you have a box..

Put the cat in the box..in 20 years your kids can follow on this thread and say it's a 3000 year old cat sarcophagus :D

Your sense of humour is about as nuanced as a colostomy bag.

And for some reason, you're still adding nothing of value to this thread. Why do you keep posting empty brain farts?

Also, I don't have a cat, your internet stalking went astray, it seems.

 

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I don't know Mikey.  I had one of these in each tibia right below the knee joint for about 20 years.  They removed them when I had my knees replaced.  Quite pristine for almost being old enough to be antiques.  No patina.

 

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3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

In 20 years it's going to be compost.

kittey littere?                         :)

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14 hours ago, mikewof said:

I've never met a sailor who turned away the offer of free booze. You asked about the box, you seem to visit us lowlanders on occasion, you're welcome to stop by anytime and have a look. I'll even hook you up with free spark plugs for your vehicle.

If I find myself in that hell hole sure, I'll stop by. No time soon as we are headed to the desert to thaw out. All this global warming is piling up in the yard and I'm tired of keeping a fire going.

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4 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

I don't know Mikey.  I had one of these in each tibia right below the knee joint for about 20 years.  They removed them when I had my knees replaced.  Quite pristine for almost being old enough to be antiques.  No patina.

 

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That's surgical steel, probably titanium alloy stainless, so obviously it isn't going to rust.  The hardware on that box is some kind of iron alloy, mild, obviously it's going to look different.  We're discussing corrosion resistance of metals, surely this is something with which any half-experienced sailor has direct experience, so I assume you're just messing with me, but given some of the posts here from Meli and Mad, I can't be certain.

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2 hours ago, bmiller said:

If I find myself in that hell hole sure, I'll stop by. No time soon as we are headed to the desert to thaw out. All this global warming is piling up in the yard and I'm tired of keeping a fire going.

I'm north of your desert, so I won't expect you for a few months. 

It's not really a hell hole, I grew up here, raised three kids here, my grandparents and relatives from the 1800s and my dad are all buried here. And just a few days ago it was some 65 degrees, no need to escape to thaw out.

Anyway, didn't you move down to a lower elevation to stay a bit warmer?

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No. I'm still in Buena Vista.

Just heading out to go ride moto for awhile, maybe even slide over to San Diego.

Retirement is a bitch.

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18 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Mikey, you have a cat..you have a box..

Put the cat in the box..in 20 years your kids can follow on this thread and say it's a 3000 year old cat sarcophagus :D

His asshole neighbor shot his cat for not keeping it inside. :ph34r:

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On 1/17/2019 at 9:46 PM, mikewof said:

I never had a Nokia, at least not in the last many years, it's been Samsung for several phones now. Your memory is failing.

Mad/Meli/iStream - "Hey, shut this thread down!"

Mike - "uh, maybe stop posting here then?"

Med/Meli/iStream - "We need to post a lot more to tell you how much we hate this thread!"

FFS.

I didn’t say shut it down, it’s great comedy watching to turn yourself in knots on this one.  

 

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14 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

I don't know Mikey.  I had one of these in each tibia right below the knee joint for about 20 years.  They removed them when I had my knees replaced.  Quite pristine for almost being old enough to be antiques.  No patina.

 

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Thanks Ed, due to see a spinal specialist next week. No quite the image I’m looking for! :P

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12 minutes ago, mad said:

Thanks Ed, due to see a spinal specialist next week. No quite the image I’m looking for! :P

You have nothing to worry about, given that you don't actually have a spine.

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22 minutes ago, mikewof said:

You have nothing to worry about, given that you don't actually have a spine.

Best time for you to take a swing then Mike.  Because that’s one of your more childish retorts of late. 

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15 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

I don't know Mikey.  I had one of these in each tibia right below the knee joint for about 20 years.  They removed them when I had my knees replaced.  Quite pristine for almost being old enough to be antiques.  No patina.

 

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I sure hope these don't rust......of course I've only had them for a year.............

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15 minutes ago, Point Break said:

I sure hope these don't rust......of course I've only had them for a year.............

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As long as you gave them a scuff, good clean and potted them in with epoxy you’ll be fine. 

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5 minutes ago, mad said:

As long as you gave them a scuff, good clean and potted them in with epoxy you’ll be fine. 

No epoxy....no screws.....it’s all press fit! Not sure about the prep...when they put them in I was......busy......snoozing.

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8 hours ago, Point Break said:

No epoxy....no screws.....it’s all press fit! Not sure about the prep...when they put them in I was......busy......snoozing.

Weren't you lucky to snooze.  When I had my knee replacements, due to my history of MI x 2, and spontaneous pneumothorax x 3 and an apical resection and pleurodesis to stop the problem, the anesthesiologist decided I needed spinal anesthesia with sedation.   I was kind of dozing off but when they got out the 5 pound sledge to bang the prosthesis on to the end of the femur, that got my attention!  That, and the buzz of the bone saw was kind of annoying.  I asked for some more joy juice and they kindly acceded to my wish.  They glued in the tibial prosthesis, the femoral part was press fit.

I have a pair of these.  Seven years on the left and five on the right , so far so good. 

 

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9 hours ago, mad said:

Thanks Ed, due to see a spinal specialist next week. No quite the image I’m looking for! :P

Don't worry dude, they use smaller screws for the spine.  Just more of them.  ;)

 

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Hmmm,   bonebolts got me curious.

 

Here's a reasonably complete course for the DIY bonebolter.

https://rad.washington.edu/about-us/academic-sections/musculoskeletal-radiology/teaching-materials/online-musculoskeletal-radiology-book/orthopedic-hardware/

 

;) It even has some pics for ideas about those "tricky" repair jobs.

Blade Plate Femur

 

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On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 5:13 PM, Point Break said:

I sure hope these don't rust......of course I've only had them for a year.............

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Kinda looks like you were invaded by alien slugs... In space helmets!!

 

WL

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On 1/18/2019 at 5:13 PM, Point Break said:

I sure hope these don't rust......of course I've only had them for a year.............

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I'm not a radiologist but Mrs. PB must be a very happy woman.

Isn't the internet fun? Share nothing!

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2 hours ago, IStream said:

I'm not a radiologist but Mrs. PB must be a very happy woman.

Isn't the internet fun? Share nothing!

Ahh, somebody finally addressed the 600 lb. 8 oz. elephant hanging in the room, as it were.  

No identifying info on the film, for all we know PB could have just found that randomly on the internet.  Of course he would pick a well endowed pic.  This could develop into SAs own 'Birther' controversy.  

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After a thorough 1 minute forensic examination of the X-ray in question I have unequivocally ascertained that it is from the Ganga Medical Center in India.  

You really didn't think PB would post pictures of his junk on an internet forum, did you?

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I dunno, whenever I had a pelvic x-ray my junk was in a lead blanket. The other thing is this....why would you bring our attention to this? Why?

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3 hours ago, IStream said:

I'm not a radiologist but Mrs. PB must be a very happy woman.

Isn't the internet fun? Share nothing!

:lol:

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No, I'd never assert those were my xrays.................besides..........its too small..........:rolleyes:

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8 minutes ago, Point Break said:

No, I'd never assert those were my xrays.................besides..........its too small..........:rolleyes:

Umm, we'll just take your word for that, OK?

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On 1/19/2019 at 2:11 AM, Ed Lada said:

Don't worry dude, they use smaller screws for the spine.  Just more of them.  ;)

 

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Hey now, I got a set of those installed nearly 25 years ago. 

These are much nicer. Mine look like they came out of a '59 Oldsmobile. L4, L5, S1

Plays hell with your golf swing, I'm tellin' ya

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