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Little explanation required re the above and last nights numbers. Yes, sorry haven't been keeping up.

The re must be a vast number of MP's in favour of Brexit and even no-dealers in the Labour party as well OR were they under party orders to forgo their inclination and vote against the government?  The whole thing is a shambles now anyway, and everybody jumping into bed with whoever, so if Cons can pick up their bat and go I would think Labs can do the same, No?

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2 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

My bet from now nearly 3 years back that neither the Conservatives nor Labour will be the largest single party at the next GE is still looking on. 

So Wayne 3 years ago you predicted the March Brexit deadline would be missed causing the 2 majors to have a car crash in voter support never seen before???

Do your imaginary friends call you Nostradamus?

My guess is back then Customs Union maybe but you wouldn't even know what the EU Single Market was alongside the vast majority of UK citizens.

Fuck Rasputin even tried to argue at a HOC Select Committee Single Market Treasury Hearing that he thought it arguable the UK was even in the Single Market!!!

What a tosser.

While 1st Past the Post voting exists one of the two majors will always be the largest single party in the UK, that is fact and why they championed a referendum to get rid of preferential voting.

However you are certainly on the money if you mean not obtaining a majority. Then again that is not exactly a lightbulb moment 3 years ago. It has been occuring in democracies around the world for eons and in the UK a coalition government from the last two elections. Then on the floor of Parliament going back to Major in 1992 getting the Maistracht Treaty and the UK joining the EU Single Market through (though not by referendum as in other EU states, some failed) with ironically the help of Irish Unionists.

Ironic being the same shotgun marriage 27 years later has seen Brexit blow up courtesy of that same Tory/Irish Unionist coalition.

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Ardent No Dealers Labour MP's; 2. Mann and Hoey. Even ex Lab now independents voted for the Bill to be voted on.
There are more who do not see No Deal as a big problem, but still like a deal.
And a lot want a Brexit with a deal. but not with BJ as PM.

Anyway, the CUP has been highjacked by the ERG group. BJ policy is ERG policy. With only 70 ERG members. And no difference between ERG and The Brexit Party.
But by keeping the line; Brexit is Brexit, do or die, now. And by promising investments in NHS, police, defence, etc hoping the base Tory voters will vote for them again. Good luck with that.

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Rory Stewart, the former international development secretary who lost the Tory whip last night after voting against the government, has just told BBC News that, if he is not reinstated as a Conservative candidate, he will consider standing as an independent in his Penrith and The Border constituency.

If more ex Tory do that and win their seat, and with the loss of seats in Scotland (around 10), at least one DUP seat will be lost, and BJ and Rees Mogg probably loosing their constituency seat it looks like that even a Tory/TBP/DUP coalition will not get a majority.

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14 minutes ago, LeoV said:

And a lot want a Brexit with a deal. but not with BJ as PM.

Yes. Boris's persona that he can equally "repel" as well as "attract" with his charisma is now starting to bite.

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4 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Rory Stewart, the former international development secretary who lost the Tory whip last night after voting against the government,

Apparently Stewart was told by text message of his pending demise. Boris has been gunning for him as the only leader aspirant who stood up and was bold enough to say Boris was full of shit.

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5 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Rory Stewart, the former international development secretary who lost the Tory whip last night after voting against the government, has just told BBC News that, if he is not reinstated as a Conservative candidate, he will consider standing as an independent in his Penrith and The Border constituency.

If more ex Tory do that and win their seat, and with the loss of seats in Scotland (around 10), at least one DUP seat will be lost, and BJ and Rees Mogg probably loosing their constituency seat it looks like that even a Tory/TBP/DUP coalition will not get a majority.

Ex torys will however still support a Tory government most of the time, especially if they can do a deal  (ignoring brexit).

I believe we've had a constituency boundary realignment, if we have there are 50 less parasites (MPs) at the next election, https://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2018-review/

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53 minutes ago, LeoV said:

But by keeping the line; Brexit is Brexit, do or die, now. And by promising investments in NHS, police, defence, etc hoping the base Tory voters will vote for them again. Good luck with that.

 

3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Note: Normally a 2020/21 Spending Round comprising departmental strategic day to day budgets for a Government is a celebratory event especially one looking to end "austerity". However Boris has snookered himself again. Normally a series of populist pre-election spending announcements you do when Parliament is closed and at last minute before an election so you can't be challenged in the HOC. But that not the case here plus he has already announced most of those already and can't increase. Otherwise it pushes the structural deficit above the ceiling of 2% of GDP, a ceiling that is already now been hit with announcements so far and he has already promised won't be exceeded.

Then over and above that is the post Brexit consequential spending they have avoided like the plague to date as it quantifies a No Deal downside. Things like "Yellow Hammer" costs plus things like replacing the EU's Common Agricultural Policy for farmers and fisherman etc.

A well prepared Cross Bench will simply carve Jarvid's Spending Round up into little pieces. Not a good look when Tory's are traditionally the good bookkeeper party.

Here is the timetable. Watch Javid at 1300. It will be dry and may or not produce the best theatre depending how well the cross bench are prepared to cook his/Boris's arse.

We saw yesterday Boris at the Dispatch Box (Rees Mogg was even worse talking 18th century gobblygook) which was literally an advertisement for voting for the No Deal Bill motion later on. 

That 2020/21 Spending Round Statement at 1300 will be a good watch.

Note: Still no word on whether Boris will go the snap election route. Labour looks to be leaving him high and dry and voting against without assurances on date. But who knows. SNP who are in William the Bruce mode will probably help Boris get his wish.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, The Q said:

Ex torys will however still support a Tory government most of the time, especially if they can do a deal  (ignoring brexit).

So a minority government with support from ex Tories on most policies, except for Brexit.... hmmm how would that work.
 

13 minutes ago, The Q said:

I believe we've had a constituency boundary realignment, if we have there are 50 less parasites (MPs) at the next election, https://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2018-review/

Interesting, still needs parliament approval I believe and they talk about 2022 as that was the normal date for the next election.
This proposal locks a constituency to a fixed number of voters in an area. No fewer than 71,031 and no more than 78,507.

What was the smallest and largest voters in a constituency ?
Ah, 55.000 against 93.000. (except Isle of Wight, special case)

Seems fair to even it out.

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If I had been in the parliamentary Tory party, I'd have rushed that one though as soon as possible, even if it was't implemented straight away. The labour party sat on boundary changes for all their 17 years, as percentage wise there are now less people in the areas that voted for them and more in areas that vote for the Tories..

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Corbyn is as toxic in the EU as Johnson. And that comes from social democrat politicians from different countries.
To dogmatic, wrong friends (Russia etc).

One of the politicians the EU politicians like from left to right is Hammond...
They know him and respect him.

And BJ is promising investments the Labour agrees with... how funny.

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“He’s (Cummings) an unelected, foul-mouthed oaf” who should be “frogmarched out of Downing Street”

Rasputin is bringing down this administration...when someone with grey hair says all this, how do Tory members who also largely all have grey hair react when it was them who gave Boris the keys????

 

 

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

Rory Stewart, the former international development secretary who lost the Tory whip last night after voting against the government, has just told BBC News that, if he is not reinstated as a Conservative candidate, he will consider standing as an independent in his Penrith and The Border constituency.

If more ex Tory do that and win their seat, and with the loss of seats in Scotland (around 10), at least one DUP seat will be lost, and BJ and Rees Mogg probably loosing their constituency seat it looks like that even a Tory/TBP/DUP coalition will not get a majority.

 

 

 

 

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About 2017 voters percentage and number of seats in %;

Vote share;
Con 42.4 Lab 40

Seats;
Con 48.8 Lab 40.3

Looks like Con gained, Lab very even, Libdem and Ukip and other smaller parties the losers in voter numbers contra gained seats.
But with smaller Lab constitutes they could be loosing seats, but at the moment the Lab number seems fair.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election#Results

 

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From Conservative home website;

BJ/Cummings plan for election can work, but only in England (except London).
It will test the Union to the limits.

And this from a Pro Tory website....
Conclusion is dire;
Today, Conservatives walk between two worlds, “one dead. The other powerless to be born”.

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/09/the-end-of-the-conservative-party-as-we-have-known-it.html

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

Police is for VP Pence visit to the UK.

Just come from Ireland. Leo V ( the Irish one) doesn't miss a republican slight of hand garnering US support. Pence's Grandfather served in the orginal Irish Republican Army or IRA (Irish Defence Forces is the politically correct term)

 

 

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^^^^^ :)

Boris hoped Pence could talk the Irish down and then sweep in with his bluster this week.

More news;

A special meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party has just broken up, the near-unanimous view of the room was that Corbyn should hold off on a snap election until after November 1. Corbyn may disagree. But in the words of one figure: "They (MPs) are the ones who have the vote."

Fighting words...

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15 minutes ago, LeoV said:

A special meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party has just broken up, the near-unanimous view of the room was that Corbyn should hold off on a snap election until after November 1. Corbyn may disagree. But in the words of one figure: "They (MPs) are the ones who have the vote."

Fighting words...

Hold off until after 31 Oct which is code for if you are still at the wheel we need Boris's ongoing Brexit fuckup to then get over the line. Why is Corbyn still driving escapes me.

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Corbyn put his people on the right spots in the Lab party so he is almost untouchable.
And he will never stand down voluntarily. He is as big an ego as BJ.

BJ now calling Corbyn a chlorinated chicken because he does not seem to want an election on the 14/5th.
Topsy turvy world.

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32 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Boris looks and sounds as fucked as he was yesterday. He can't handle the "bear pit". He is only any good surrounded by "fan boys".

Indeed, just watched 30 mins live over lunch.  He stutters quite a bit, doesn't bring his points across very well and repeats a lot of his answers.  His pot shots at the Labour party do not hit home either.

Speaker had to call him out for not following parliamentary procedure how to address his colleagues. 

He does seem despised by everybody there and that is the polite version.

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8 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Losing GDP growth is like compound interest. The only way you claw your way back is with either an extraordinary return or restructure. The UK has already had that extraordinary moment called the North Sea and it hits peak reserve/production in a decade then declines.

The other more boring is a restructured economy and increased productivity. The UK have shown no desire to embrace that concept in decades and with Brexit appear happy to be a nation of shop keepers and to boot, price takers, not price setters.

Name one Brexitter who has broached this subject??? I wonder why.

Jack let me add two other exceptional return events that benefited the UK and may point to a post Brexit strategy. The “Big Bang” in 1986 that deregulated financial services and the influx of Russian Oligarchs and other shady “unexplained wealth”. Those trends drove much UK growth (at least in South East) especially in services. Replicating that may be the economic strategy for post Brexit.

Fully turn London and the home counties into a low tax paradise for money laundering and international kleptocrates and retired dictators to hid their money.

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Javid in his Spending Round Speech just been ruled Out of Order go stop the Brexit Advertisement and get on with it by Speaker. Boris's front bench all look as they want to be somewhere else.

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Javid in his Spending Round Speech just been ruled Out of Order go stop the Brexit Advertisement and get on with it by Speaker. Boris's front bench all look as they want to be somewhere else.

Just got hit again...this is a fucking joke.

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5 minutes ago, KC375 said:

Fully turn London and the home counties into a low tax paradise for money laundering and international kleptocrates and retired dictators to hid their money.

Good point, but if UK is out of the EU, the UK is not as safe for hiding money as it is now.
Maybe Singapore will be a better place to stash your money and corporations. Their government is more stable :) No risk of a Marxist takeover and loosing all your assets in the UK.

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22 hours ago, Sea warrior said:

Did you know that more people now speak Polish in Ireland than speak Gaelic?

There may be more native Polish speakers than native Irish speakers. Not the same thing. Most, if not all, people here speak English.

21 hours ago, Sea warrior said:

Tá gaeilge agam, an bhfuil aon piosa gaeilge agat?

Scots Gaelic is a language.

Everybody in Ireland, including the Irish-speakers, the Polish-speakers, the English-speakers and the dogs in the street, knows that Gaelic is the football and Gaeilge is the language.

You're a faker and an asshole, and I'm embarrased and pissed off that you have sullied my language by using it.

Say Hi to the others of your elk on my Ignore List.

Again, for the avoidance of doubt,you're an asshole.

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13 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Good point, but if UK is out of the EU, the UK is not as safe for hiding money as it is now.
Maybe Singapore will be a better place to stash your money and corporations. Their government is more stable :) No risk of a Marxist takeover and loosing all your assets in the UK.

Leo I'm not saying it is a great strategy but it might be the best play of the available options. The UK would be still be better than Malta. There have always been competitors for shady money - many of them British Overseas Territories so simply do what any empire does in desperation pull in opportunities from the colonies. In this model England would simply have to out compete in its welcoming of reprobates and the protection provided them. England a rainy place for shady people.

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4 minutes ago, KC375 said:

. England a rainy place for shady people.

same old, same old

looks like this new economical program being presented just now is all about spending spending spending without any real tangible info on where all that money should come from, the number of oligarchs, kleptokrats and the like needed to fund all this must be tremendous, and at the same time the british kleptokrats who provoked brexit move over to the continent, how weird ;-)

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35 minutes ago, Albatros said:

same old, same old

looks like this new economical program being presented just now is all about spending spending spending without any real tangible info on where all that money should come from, the number of oligarchs, kleptokrats and the like needed to fund all this must be tremendous, and at the same time the british kleptokrats who provoked brexit move over to the continent, how weird ;-)

Albatros you are right. It's one thing funding Monaco's 500 acres  - it is another funding the UK with stolen money. Boris and the Tories have a partial solution they are already working on, by reducing the UK to just England you've gotten ride of almost half the area you need to fund. That will only get rid of about a sixth of the population but England has shown its willingness in the past to use emigration to get rid of the unwashed it no longer wants or needs. Within a generation England could transiton to kleptocrates and their Eton and Oxbridge educated titled protectors, simply another take on a service economy...

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Javid just finished. Bucket loads of money for anything with a heartbeat. No spending cuts on any department plus CPI boost. Money to the 3 devolved governments. Much of it appears slight of hand not taking into account impacts imposed by austerity in say social services arena.

However not one word that he just blew up his own structural deficit ceiling of 2% of GDP, and that he had already promised wouldn't be exceeded when he took office.

Surprise surprise not one mention of any Brexit consequential spending particularly for a No Deal. Not one penny for"Yellow Hammer" costs plus things like replacing the EU's Common Agricultural Policy for farmers and fisherman etc.

A total sham....he is now being carved up by Shadow Chancellor, albeit a party with no great recent economic history.

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the irony, the EU just announced that an existing EU fund to cover for nature disasters and the like happening in member states will now also be open to cover for Brexit fallout in countries most affected, Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland and possibly also France ... yep Brexit is now labelled a nature disaster

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9 minutes ago, Albatros said:

the irony, the EU just announced that an existing EU fund to cover for nature disasters and the like happening in member states will now also be open to cover for Brexit fallout in countries most affected, Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland and possibly also France ... yep Brexit is now labelled a nature disaster

Double irony. The UK which will have contributed to that fund but no longer be able to draw on it, will be the most in need.

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8 minutes ago, KC375 said:

Double irony. The UK which will have contributed to that fund but no longer be able to draw on it, will be the most in need.

I don't know how these funds work, if it is money already on the side then you are right, but if it is money drawn from the countries when there is a need then this might be a part of BoJo's "nope, we won't pay for that" mantra, in which case it would become a bit of an acidic irony in that the UK would not want to contribute to what they have provoked ... of course some like Wayne will turn this argument upside down in a second

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1 hour ago, Black Sox said:

There may be more native Polish speakers than native Irish speakers. Not the same thing. Most, if not all, people here speak English.

Scots Gaelic is a language.

Everybody in Ireland, including the Irish-speakers, the Polish-speakers, the English-speakers and the dogs in the street, knows that Gaelic is the football and Gaeilge is the language.

You're a faker and an asshole, and I'm embarrased and pissed off that you have sullied my language by using it.

Say Hi to the others of your elk on my Ignore List.

Again, for the avoidance of doubt,you're an asshole.

Lol

 

Aren't you the precious little snowflake.

must be from D4

 

child!! 

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34 minutes ago, Albatros said:

I don't know how these funds work, if it is money already on the side then you are right, but if it is money drawn from the countries when there is a need then this might be a part of BoJo's "nope, we won't pay for that" mantra, in which case it would become a bit of an acidic irony in that the UK would not want to contribute to what they have provoked ... of course some like Wayne will turn this argument upside down in a second

It sounds like money already set aside "a solidarity fund created in 2002 to help member states deal with natural disasters"...in the private sector "creating a fund" would involve some form of funding...in the public sector that may simply mean typing a new line on a budget spreadsheet.

"The EUSF is funded outside the EU's normal budget (i.e. by additional money raised by EU countries). The maximum annual budget is €500 million (2011 prices), plus any funds remaining from the preceding year."

Sounds like more a budget item than an actual cash pool for a rainy day. Some ability to carry forward unspent sums and some discustion of "borrowing" from future years.

 

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13 minutes ago, KC375 said:

It sounds like money already set aside "a solidarity fund created in 2002

It is set aside and contributions revised every budget review which next one is this October I think? A State can pay for resititution then be compensated or draw from the fund direct. It is very flexible and accountable. It even directs monies to non EU states.

Any money paid in by UK they don't get back with No Deal, with a Deal there should be provision provided it is included with transition period payments. Though as instigator of this disaster they might be waiting a long time.

When I read that I thought it was a subtle dig by EU at Boris and his No Deal. I think even before then Ireland had already been promised assistance due to their unique circumstances?

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2 hours ago, Laser1 said:

Indeed, just watched 30 mins live over lunch.  He stutters quite a bit, doesn't bring his points across very well and repeats a lot of his answers.  His pot shots at the Labour party do not hit home either.

Speaker had to call him out for not following parliamentary procedure how to address his colleagues. 

He does seem despised by everybody there and that is the polite version.

He is not addressing Parliament all of the time, he is talking directly to the British electorate. Brits do not mind speech impediments and a lack of polish. One of our favorite kings had a terrible stutter when he spoke and we admired him all the more for addressing the nation on the radio. BJ had just one message, he wanted to take the UK out of the EU on October 31st.   No matter what the question, that was his reply.

Like him or hate him, his message to voters was crystal clear. 

Corbyn on the other hand was unable to present what he stands for.....and ABC remains a strong sentiment among both centerist voters and remainers.  Anyone But Corbyn.  Unless the Labor party chooses another leader or the Liberal Democrats stages a phoenix like resurgence......then BJ is going to aim for a general election

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1 hour ago, Sea warrior said:

Lol

 

Aren't you the precious little snowflake.

must be from D4

 

child!! 

You really need to up your trolling skills. 

Speak to Wayne, he can help you. 

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Meanwhile the house of lords is making the case for parliamentary reform. They have some 90 amendments proposed to the Benn bill including a "bat habitat" amendment. Each one will have to be disposed of individually - about a full day's worth of time (not work day - 24 hours).

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12 minutes ago, Mambo Kings said:

He is not addressing Parliament all of the time, he is talking directly to the British electorate. Brits do not mind speech impediments and a lack of polish. One of our favorite kings had a terrible stutter when he spoke and we admired him all the more for addressing the nation on the radio. BJ had just one message, he wanted to take the UK out of the EU on October 31st.   No matter what the question, that was his reply.

Like him or hate him, his message to voters was crystal clear. 

Corbyn on the other hand was unable to present what he stands for.....and ABC remains a strong sentiment among both centerist voters and remainers.  Anyone But Corbyn.  Unless the Labor party chooses another leader or the Liberal Democrats stages a phoenix like resurgence......then BJ is going to aim for a general election

The King may have stuttered, but at least he was honest. 

Boris is far from that!! 

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16 minutes ago, Mambo Kings said:

He is not addressing Parliament all of the time, he is talking directly to the British electorate. Brits do not mind speech impediments and a lack of polish. One of our favorite kings had a terrible stutter when he spoke and we admired him all the more for addressing the nation on the radio. BJ had just one message, he wanted to take the UK out of the EU on October 31st.   No matter what the question, that was his reply.

Like him or hate him, his message to voters was crystal clear. 

Corbyn on the other hand was unable to present what he stands for.....and ABC remains a strong sentiment among both centerist voters and remainers.  Anyone But Corbyn.  Unless the Labor party chooses another leader or the Liberal Democrats stages a phoenix like resurgence......then BJ is going to aim for a general election

There is no doubt that BJ's greatest ally is Corbyn.

The no-dealers have to find a credible front person. Having personally been an ABCer in a leadership struggle I learned the danger - succesfully backed the A to stop the C and turned out A was worse than C.

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8 minutes ago, mad said:

You really need to up your trolling skills. 

Speak to Wayne, he can help you. 

Don't feed trolls

 

/troll

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5 minutes ago, KC375 said:

There is no doubt that BJ's greatest ally is Corbyn.

The no-dealers have to find a credible front person. Having personally been an ABCer in a leadership struggle I learned the danger - succesfully backed the A to stop the C and turned out A was worse than C.

Corbyn is one of worst leaders. Multi face headed drake. He only does to get most votes from everyone. Probably worse than BJ.

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5 minutes ago, mad said:

You really need to up your trolling skills. 

Speak to Wayne, he can help you. 

Let me assure you of one thing, and that is that I’m not here to troll.

Brexit may be the defining event of our lifetime, either positive or negative and it’s nothing to troll about.

That Nancy (Black Sox) that I was replying to shows a location of Dublin and Dublin has Benefited greatly from membership of the EU, no doubt. But places like Sligo, Donegal and the midlands have been decimated by the EU. Nothing has changed worth a curse in 40 odd years in rural Ireland except the debt load and anybody with any desire to get ahead has to pack their bags and get the fuck out of there. It’s  like stepping back in time when visiting some of the forgotten country villages and rural areas.

Assholes like that poster don’t care about the countless people affected negatively by this shit storm, they only care about themselves. A bunch of uncultured, uncouth cunts who mistake their ignorance and stupidity for sophistication.

 Watching the British isles and all the unique and diverse cultures that are found there  being swallowed up by this behemoth of a monolithic soulless beast called the EU is disgusting to watch.

 

its time for a real vote, it’s time those deviant fucks in Brussels put this whole concept of a United States Of Europe to a vote, let the people decide democratically instead of this “death by a thousand cuts” bullshit.

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

...

 Watching the British isles and all the unique and diverse cultures that are found there  being swallowed up by this behemoth of a monolithic soulless beast called the EU is disgusting to watch.

...

 

 

 

 

Sea Warrior I praise your compassion and empathy for the diversity of culture of the British isles.

I’d encourage you to lobby the Tories hard as they clearly don’t.

They would happily rid themselves of Scotland and Norther Ireland in the pursuit of Brexit.

But in fairness that may be sincerely in the interests of the cultures and residents of Scotland and Northern Ireland as they may well be better of rid of England. They may even then choose to join the EU who have shown quite a track record of protecting regional cultures and diversity.

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28 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

Let me assure you of one thing, and that is that I’m not here to troll.

Brexit may be the defining event of our lifetime, either positive or negative and it’s nothing to troll about.

That Nancy (Black Sox) that I was replying to shows a location of Dublin and Dublin has Benefited greatly from membership of the EU, no doubt. But places like Sligo, Donegal and the midlands have been decimated by the EU. Nothing has changed worth a curse in 40 odd years in rural Ireland except the debt load and anybody with any desire to get ahead has to pack their bags and get the fuck out of there. It’s  like stepping back in time when visiting some of the forgotten country villages and rural areas.

Assholes like that poster don’t care about the countless people affected negatively by this shit storm, they only care about themselves. A bunch of uncultured, uncouth cunts who mistake their ignorance and stupidity for sophistication.

 Watching the British isles and all the unique and diverse cultures that are found there  being swallowed up by this behemoth of a monolithic soulless beast called the EU is disgusting to watch.

 

its time for a real vote, it’s time those deviant fucks in Brussels put this whole concept of a United States Of Europe to a vote, let the people decide democratically instead of this “death by a thousand cuts” bullshit.

 

 

 

 

Yes, you are right, the EU is useless, we should go back to the old times, what rural Ireland really needs is to be ruled by the English parliament (It is still British but with the lunatics in power, it is now a matter of time), they know how to engineer a good famine...

More seriously that's the population in the Republic of Ireland :

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The EU doesn't seem to be working that bad for them....

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TIME TO RE-VOTE THE REFERENDUM

 

now that the populace understands the massive lie Nigel sold them

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First amendment (if I get it right) is an alternative of first voting for May's Deal on 21 October if Boris doesn't come home with a Deal.

Second Amendment introduction of the amended Political Declaration to May Deal that emanated from cross party talks months back for voting on after the 31 October extension if Boris doesn't come home with a Deal.

These both appear to be designed to avoid Bill leading to possibly No Brexit at all.

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Gotta love the Irish -

Miriam Lord: How Mike Pence shat on the new carpet in Ireland’s spare room 

Stoical smiles as US vice-president delivers strong endorsement of Johnson and Brexit

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miriam-lord-how-mike-pence-shat-on-the-new-carpet-in-ireland-s-spare-room-1.4006979?mode=amp

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And he told them they were wonderful and that he loved them. He even said a special prayer for everyone and then, just before he left, he turned around and kicked them where it hurts.

It came as a shock.

Like pulling out all the stops for a much-anticipated visitor to your home and thinking it has been a great success until somebody discovers he shat on the new carpet in the spare room, the one you bought specially for him.

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3 minutes ago, Sean said:

 

Gotta love the Irish -

Miriam Lord: How Mike Pence shat on the new carpet in Ireland’s spare room 

Stoical smiles as US vice-president delivers strong endorsement of Johnson and Brexit

Excerpt -

And he told them they were wonderful and that he loved them. He even said a special prayer for everyone and then, just before he left, he turned around and kicked them where it hurts.

It came as a shock.

Like pulling out all the stops for a much-anticipated visitor to your home and thinking it has been a great success until somebody discovers he shat on the new carpet in the spare room, the one you bought specially for him.

Link to article above

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Listening to the debates about the Benn Bill over the last few days, I'm kind of surprised that the following points were never brought up:

1) Say this bill passes into law, nothing will prevent the UK from leaving on October 31st provided Boris pulls a deal out of his hat. So if Boris is so confident that he can achieve a deal, he should not object to it... (The argument that he needs the option of a no deal on the table to pressure the EU into concessions is beyond ridiculous...)

2) When the current extension was negotiated back in the spring, it was made clear that the UK can leave at any point before the deadline, by their own choice through accepting a no deal scenario or by successfully agreeing to a deal with the EU. So if this Benn Bill prevents the UK from leaving on October 31st, it by no means 'locks the UK into staying in the EU at the whim of the EU' as argued repeatedly by BJ - all he needs is agreement in Parliament...

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30 minutes ago, alphafb552 said:

(The argument that he needs the option of a no deal on the table to pressure the EU into concessions is beyond ridiculous...)

Yet there appears to be many Tory's who oppose the Bill but are both fearful of No Deal but also the Bill removing this shoot yourself in the foot leverage to get a Deal.

Yet they still back Boris when it is clear Boris is happy not to enter into negotiations on a Deal and is running the clock down??? That position simply makes no sense and their letting Boris do that even less. 

If they are fearful of losing negotiation leverage then surely after exiting with No Deal any negotiation leverage is then non existent and worse unanimous approval of individual EU states then kicks in for everything starting with a trade agreement and countless others.

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7 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

"I watched him (Boris) this morning ..he is in there fighting"??....If that was fighting I would hate to see his idea of doing badly.

 

 

I remember meeting with Donald 25 years ago +/-  and the last time he told us not to worry ........that he was fighting and he was backing a winner and it would be okay.

If the outlook for BJ is as bad as it was then for the Atlantic city casino bonds, then BJ is really screwed.

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It is so funny that BJ now begs for election and it looks like he does not get a majority for it.
Of course he could step down and advices everyone to hold an election... oh wait, it is not about the country or party now any more, it is about BJ.
 

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

First amendment (if I get it right) is an alternative of first voting for May's Deal on 21 October if Boris doesn't come home with a Deal.

WTF. It looks like this Stephen Kinnock.amendment to give MPs a vote on Theresa May's deal has just passed BY ACCIDENT because two Govt tellers (verify the vote count) were not available???? Some trickery happening here??

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No, probably will be not listed in the summary. Invalid voting.
Mixed reports if it were Gov or Oppo tellers missing.

But it would be a fantastic show if May's deal would be back.
If May would vote for her own deal she must loose the whip :)

No Deal stopped for now in the HOC, over to the HOL (house of lords) were a filibuster is going on.
 

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Can he still ruffle his hair ? He might need it.

Had a movie night planned, but this is more interesting...
London has fallen was the planned movie, lol.

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

Can he still ruffle his hair ? He might need it.

Had a movie night planned, but this is more interesting...
London has fallen was the planned movie, lol.

I saw that movie the other say. Way too over the top and unbelievable story line.

Now if they made a movie 5 years ago about a future Brexit and the story was the same as todays reality, I'd be writing "Way too over the top and unbelievable story line."

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BJ is refused his election, 3 votes 3 losses. He is outpacing May in loosing.

Nicholas Soames, one of the "disloyal' Tory rebels;

I voted for the withdrawal agreement - which is more than can be said for the PM and Leader of the House - whose serial disloyalty has been such an inspiration to so many of us.

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6 hours ago, Albatros said:

c'est ce qu'on appelle une remède contre l'amour ... just sayin'

Your French is very fine sir.

:D

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8 minutes ago, LeoV said:

BJ is refused his election, 3 votes 3 losses. He is outpacing May in loosing.

For a man who since a wee lad has wanted to be king of the world, he doesn't appear to have spent much time on preperation.

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23 hours ago, LeoV said:

BJ lost 22 MP's in one night. He is now powerless unless an election takes place and he can replace them.

The 22 should start its own party to change the constitution :)

The dogballs Party?

 

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Boris has at least created an industry of people trying to better each writing up Boris's HOC Scorecard.

Practice makes imperfect. There was an air of expectancy on the Tory benches as Boris Johnson prepared to face his first prime minister’s questions. Surely the previous day’s car crash could only have been an aberration. This time their clown prince would prove to be the headline act they had been promised. Bring them sunshine, make them smile. Give them a reason to feel good about their tawdry, shabby lives. Some hope.

.......It was all downhill for Johnson from there. Asked to confirm what was in the No Deal Operation Yellowhammer dossier, he all but suggested it didn’t exist. Even though almost all the details had been leaked to the Sunday Times a couple of weeks ago. And then he just made up a story about the interview in which Michael Gove had said some food prices would go up. It had never happened. It was a Mikey impersonator who had been on the TV. The real Mikey had been having breakfast with him. Honest.

Boris looked up hopefully. This was the kind of bare-faced lie he’d got away with for years and he confidently expected to get away with it again now. Except many of his own backbenchers were beginning to suffer unexpected pangs of conscience. They’d put their doubts about Johnson’s character to one side when they’d elected him, because they’d fallen for the glitter after Theresa May’s monochrome leadership. Now they realised that the Carry On film they thought they had bought was in fact a snuff movie.

Note: Don't know if the writer intended the Carry On bit refer to an earlier audience Boris had with Barbara Windsor, a Alziimers sufferer/advocate, to push his NHS message to the male over 65's brought up wondering if her tits would explode while Dad did Sid James impersonations.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/boris-johnson-fails-to-bring-tories-sunshine-in-excruciating-pmqs

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Boris has invited us viewers to speculate why Corbyn has not taken up his General Election invitation.

Mate you are pulling my leg or you really don't know??

Like you and Rasputin made a monumental fuck up and have snookered yourselves now after 3 lost votes in a row and have brought this stuff on.

1. Those on the other side of the saloon think you are a serial liar and so can't be trusted with firstly, the No Deal Bill until it is enacted, and secondly once an election is called, expose that agreed date to a Bill under the Fixed Term Parliament Act for you to fiddle with that date.

2. You are not prevented from harrassing the shit out of Corbyn every day in Westminister to shame him into accepting you invitation to a General Election. In fact after a while he probably would be forced to rollover. Unfortunately you forget he only has to hold on until early next week. Have you forgotton you have from then suspended Parliament for 5 weeks?

3. Now after you grande display at the Dispatch Box on Tuesday and yesterday the jig is up. The world now knows you haven't done anything about prosecuting a Deal because you have no intention of getting one and want to blame the EU for that.

4. Can you really continue doing that? Seems you have two choices. Firstly continue "as is" with your Farage mask on and abide by your ERG masters. Or secondly get cracking and do your darnest to get a Deal on or or before 17 October when the EU Commission meets.

Now the first will drive some your core constituency mad particularly after your treatment of 21 MP's this week but it will at least keep Farage/ERG off your back. The second is the reverse. It will be Farage/ERG after your head. I think that is called "caught between a rock and a hard place".? Now it really gets fucking rocky.

5. It is agreed you will hose Corbyn in a head to head contest. Unfortunately you are actually now in a 3/4 cornered contest. Corbyn doesn't necessarily have to "win votes" to be the largest party. He simply needs other parties to "take votes from you".

Don't forget after your "Tuesday Take the Whip" dummy spit you are already starting this battle 22 soldiers down. Then you got those Scots ready to rip up the drawbridge and poor Arlene has already adopted the feotal position.

6. Now mate if you can't cut a deal with the EU and are forced to seek an A.50 extension until 31 January what will Nigel and all those Brexit Party voters do who gave you that Brexit Bounce and Nigel crashed in the chart below??? Bounced, Crashed are probably the operative words once they have finished with you.

Even if Comista (mate really you have to stop telling that joke) gets smacked around a bit, where will his votes go along with a few of yours?? It would be pretty funny if the Lib Dems were the senior coalition member with Labour wouldn't it. You and Nigel are run out of town. Mate are right there, your are looking pale??

So Boris what do you think of that for speculation why Corbyn is not jumping out of his skin to have an election just at the moment????

You notice how these things happen in threes'

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

 

Boris has invited us viewers to speculate why Corbyn has not taken up his General Election invitation.

Given that Corbyn is a power crazed red nutter, who only cares about getting in to no.10 and has so few principles, it must be killing him to not go for an election. 

 

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2 minutes ago, hoppy said:

I think their abstentionist policy is a bit silly for matters that directly affect their supporters, especially Brexit.

They have never set foot in the place for over a hundred years and few wars later. I don't think they are starting now.

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1 minute ago, hoppy said:

Given that Corbyn is a power crazed red nutter, who only cares about getting in to no.10 and has so few principles, it must be killing him to not go for an election. 

 

You obviously didn't read the rest. I don't think he is stupid. Boris even made him look like a genius yesterday.

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

You obviously didn't read the rest.

Obviously.....

You write too much and if I read everything I'd never leave my computer.

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3 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

They have never set foot in the place for over a hundred years and few wars later. I don't think they are starting now.

Perhaps a no-deal Brexit will be to their benefit.

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