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Raab has got up and essentially said the new Act is flawed and Boris will not seek a A.50 extension if no deal finalised and in doing so will not abide by the Rule of Law. Bizzare.

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Perhaps BoJo hopes that the Fawkes Guy returns for an encore tonight. Close enough to Sept 5th after all. 

 

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Raab says the country wants “this mess sorted out” by the end of October ...

In the absence of an election, Johnson will go to Brussels on that day to negotiate a departure from the EU “with or without a deal”.

That sounds like an express intent to demonstrate contempt for parliament...Historically interesting times.

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34 minutes ago, Chasm said:

Perhaps BoJo hopes that the Fawkes Guy returns for an encore tonight. Close enough to Sept 5th after all. 

 

Remember, remember the 5th of November...

Gun powder, treason and plot.

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The rumoured appointment of Phil Hogan to Trade Negotiator is interesting.  Besides being even more of a giant towering over BloJoSlo (I swear he was standing on an apple box at the podium during his press appointment with LV), he has very little patience for English shenanigans.  The EU is playing a very good game of Go, the UK is playing at Draughts or maybe straight up kick the can, I dunno.

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47 minutes ago, cms said:

Remember, remember the 5th of November...

Gun powder, treason and plot.

Boom. :lol::lol:

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Boris Johnson would not win an election outright, polling seen by No 10 suggests

Polling and modelling discussed by senior No 10 figures suggests the Tories would win around 295 to 300 seats in an election.

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-would-not-win-an-election-outright-polling-seen-by-no-10-suggests-11805584

an interesting source who was obviously reasonably close the last few weeks. 

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49 minutes ago, cms said:

Remember, remember the 5th of November...

Gun powder, treason and plot.

As I recall Guy was trying to blow up parliament from underneath...Boris is more from within

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2 hours ago, alphafb552 said:

Apparently he did go through the lobby to vote, but he’s scuttled off again for the next debate...

More likely drafting the next statement after losing again tonight and desperately trying to figure out the next step. 

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

Use your time wisely;

First 6 weeks of Tory leadership contest, then 6 weeks recess, then a few days of working parliament, and now nothing till Oct 14.
Brilliant.

It’s absolutely fucking pitiful.....let’s not forget that we fucked around with another general election and plenty of holidays for them all. 

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9 minutes ago, KC375 said:

As I recall Guy was trying to blow up parliament from underneath...Boris is more from within

A lot easier than lumping all that gunpowder around..you just walk Boris into place and set him lose speaking to just about anyone. 

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Guy Fawkes was the one who was caught under the House of Lords with 36 barrels of gunpowder. For two days, Guido was the only suspect in custody and his name became synonymous with the Powder Treason, as the Gunpowder Plot was known at the time.

http://www.bonfirenight.net/conspirators.php

 

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September November.... 
Certainly enough embers in the spittle that is currently flying across the chamber.

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3 minutes ago, Chasm said:

September November.... 
Certainly enough embers in the spittle that is currently flying across the chamber.

Don’t forget Halloween    :P

Just googling a Rees Mogg outfit. 

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1 hour ago, crashdog said:

The rumoured appointment of Phil Hogan to Trade Negotiator is interesting.

Almost a done deal, with at his side Sabine Weyand. He worked on the Eu Japan deal.
Wondering what Barnier is going to do :)

Oh, one snatch with NI backstop alone, Scotland will want the same.

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1 minute ago, LeoV said:

Almost a done deal, with at his side Sabine Weyand. He worked on the Eu Japan deal.
Wondering what Barnier is going to do :)

Oh, one snatch with NI backstop alone, Scotland will want the same.

Politically or financially motivated? 

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just in;
Johnson: "I will go to Brussels on Oct 17th and negotiate our departure on Oct 31st hopefully with a deal, but without one if necessary. I will not ask for another delay. I will not ask to delay.
WTF.... resign it is.

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2 minutes ago, mad said:

Politically or financially motivated? 

Or just jealousy. Look the deal NI has, should we not get it too ?

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4 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Or just jealousy. Look the deal NI has, should we not get it too ?

Either way, it probably doesn’t bode well for the UK (whats left of it)

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The head of the Treasury spending watchdog has warned Sajid Javid that he is on track to break government borrowing rules after embarking on the biggest annual increase in spending for 15 years.

Robert Chote, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), said the chancellor had set a course for the public finances that would probably breach a Conservative manifesto pledge to deliver balanced budgets by the mid-2020s.

Answering questions from MPs on the Commons Treasury committee after Javid’s spending round statement last week, Chote said the OBR believed the government was “not obviously on course to achieve that” promise. Referring to the spending round, he added: “Any additional spending today would take you further away rather than closer to it.”

And we haven’t even faced what it’s really going to cost the country. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/09/obr-warns-sajid-javid-he-risks-breaking-borrowing-rules?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

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The vote is in and Boris loses his bid for an early election For 293  Against 46 BUT not a sufficient majority to overcome the fixed term elections act.

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BoJo is angry - now he actually has to go to Brussels and do some work...

He’d much rather galivant around the country electioneering...

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1 minute ago, alphafb552 said:

BoJo is angry - now he actually has to go to Brussels and do some work...

He will put in an appearance. He will even appear to work...history suggests he won't actually do any work.

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A passing gift from Bercow.

NB. Fiat is an "order that some act to be done" ie Prorogue was not for reasons of Queens Speech but to frustrate Parliament.

 

 

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No idea if this is verified but hey anything to make Arlene choke on her wheaties is good.

 

BTW the OP is an artist, taxi driver and quite a character.

 

 

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This tweet from a Tory MP, knight of the realm and good sample of the geniuses backing Boris and mislead their constituents about Brexit.

A 15 yo car thief could tell him "misconduct in public office" or "contempt of court by ignoring a court order to comply" just for starters.

 

 

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7 hours ago, mad said:

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-would-not-win-an-election-outright-polling-seen-by-no-10-suggests-11805584

an interesting source who was obviously reasonably close the last few weeks. 

Plausible. I know lifetime Tory voters who are not exactly standing and cheering as the BoJo junta rides roughshod over the British constitution. In particular they will lose seats in London which did not drink the Brexit kool-aid.

Meanwhile the response to the non-prorogue petition is in. Looks like it was written by the office junior.  https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157?reveal_response=yes

 

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MON SEP 9, 2019 / 10:06 AM BST

Dutch might prefer 'no-deal' Brexit to further delay - minister

 
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FILE PHOTO: Sigrid Kaag, Dutch Minister for Foreign Trade and Development Cooperation speaks at the Global Entrepreneurship Summit 2019 (GES 2019) in The Hague, Netherlands June 4, 2019.
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(Reuters) - The Dutch might prefer a 'no-deal' Brexit on Oct. 31 to continuing uncertainty about when and how Britain will leave the European Union, Foreign Trade Minister Sigrid Kaag said in an interview published on Monday.

"There comes a point where the certainty of being worse off can be better than ongoing uncertainty without any new prospect," Kaag told the Dutch daily Het Financieele Dagblad.

"We need a good reason for further delay. It is hard to say what that would be. So far, the Brits have not presented an alternative to the Brexit deal that is already on the table."

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A chaotic Brexit without a transition agreement to soften the economic shock could come at a significant cost for the Netherlands as Britain is its third largest trading partner after Germany and Belgium.

On the other hand, British investments in the Netherlands have soared more than four-fold to 80 billion euros ($88 billion) since Britons voted to leave the European Union in 2016, the Dutch statistics office said on Monday.

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*might*

Best reason (next to GFA) for the EU to agree extension:

On a more practical level, rejecting an extension request would force the new European Commission to take office on November 1 effectively in a state of emergency. While Commission officials insist the EU is as ready as possible for a disorderly no-deal departure, with extensive legal and financial contingency plans, they also readily admit it is impossible to fully prepare for such an unprecedented event, and that readiness varies among the 27 remaining EU countries.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-extend-brexit-horror-show/

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And now BJ has to go to the EU for a deal. Canada super plus in the minds of some Tory, called Canada Dry in the EU circles.

SNP and Libdem will go for revoke.
Lab and Greens will go for something Norway to Ukraine deal with maybe a 2d ref over it, which can lead to revoke.
Con will go for Canada or No Deal and later a trade deal like Canada.
TBP will go for No Deal ever.

Maybe Greens will switch to revoke, but their website is still for a good deal. So I doubt it.

I can not see a clear way out, or the elections must go really against all polls. It is still a long way before an election.
Unless TBP and Con work together and decide for No Deal. And so force Lab/Green/Libdem/SNP for a Norway model.
Then there are clear binary options. Very unlikely though.

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And then there is the new MP's for a deal group, ex Tories.
They want the deal talked about between Lab and Con in 6 weeks to be brought back;
WAB with 10 extra concessions, but looks like a bit of cherry picking like on Customs.
And never published. And all a bit late.

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Excellent Paper Weighing up Alternative Arrangements to the Backstop - A Framework for Analysis - Katy Hayward - Queens University Belfast August 2019 released last week. Probably most comprehensive analysis I've read.

This paper is not intended to address the specific complexities but merely guidelines for the viability of any proposed border management system.

By this analysis and thinking in terms of giving confidence to those who are worried that the EU have trapped the UK  relying upon Alternative Arrangements with "Insurance" is not going to work and in fact gets worse, not better over time.

The only solution that ticks all the boxes involves ultimately changing Nth/Nth road signs permanently and in the "interim", every man, women child, package & beast traversing east/west between NI/UK having to flash paperwork.

This is going to send the DUP crazy but it is time to choose between <1 Million crazy or 65 million crazy, not to mention how many crazy in the EU27 if this shit continues?

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27 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

This paper is not intended to address the specific complexities but merely guidelines for the viability of any proposed border management system.

And conclusion is;
if NI is out of EU influence, it is extremely difficult.
For instance;
The costs of compliance with the new regime will have to be lower than
the risks of non-compliance.

10.2.1. Why would people in the Irish border region be willing to submit the
necessary data and to allow a reduction in their privacy (e.g. having their GPS
location traced) in order to cross a border that is perfectly easy to cross
anyway, especially if the chances and costs of you being caught are moreorless
zero?

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When dreams hits reality. Good article.

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13 hours ago, LeoV said:

just in;
Johnson: "I will go to Brussels on Oct 17th and negotiate our departure on Oct 31st hopefully with a deal, but without one if necessary. I will not ask for another delay. I will not ask to delay.
WTF.... resign it is.

Interestingly identical words save for "the PM" inserted instead of "I" used by Raab in the earlier Rule of Law debate. He and Boris are either sharing the same scriptwriter or alternatively Boris had planned to attend that debate but at last minute pulled out?

After his 6 - 0 drubbing this last week he is now down to two options, if you take breaking the law, or an extension letter (with a PS that says ignore me) off the table, then his "come what may" and would "rather die in a ditch"  than have to ask the EU for an extension translates into the following, noting this is after the Parogue secrets (Boris mislead the House) and Yellowhammer Report (Boris has mislead the People) are out in the open so not a great backdrop. 

1. Resign on or around 19 October 5 days after Queens Speech.

However potential downside is seeing either Jeremy Corbyn or say a Tory exile being a "caretaker leader" by securing confidence of the House before the 31st, form a government and send A.50 extension letter. If they could then secure a Deal (which the EU might be very accomodating) and that could get the support of the House, or just things turned out relatively smoothly for a few weeks or months in caretaker mode.

Then Boris's predictions of immediate chaos under this arrangement would then look very hollow and leaving little to fight an election campaign on, other than domestic policy. Isn't that a scary thought.

OR

2. Get a Deal

The lesser of two weavils. Work like hell and get a Deal where, with the limited time left a lot of that will be devoted to getting most of  the ERG Spartans to support it so a lot of Yes's (like Irish Sea border) not many No's when dealing with the EU.  Once to hand and that Deal gets HOC support, Brexit Party is dead and no need to do the bidding of the Spartans. Election is off the table and Corbyn goes back to calling for an election once a week. Nation breathes a sigh of relief.

However which of these options follow the advice of Sun Tzu's writings in "The Art of War". Destabilise or put the enemy off balance, baffle and wrong foot them and  make them look like the unreasonable aggressor and break their alliances, know your enemies and know yourself and don't get imperiled in a hundred battles etc etc.

However Boris has tried most of these Sun Tzu Cummings tricks so far and look where it has got him. Maybe it's time to try good old common sence and get off his arse and work like hell to get a Deal?

Unfortunately he is not renoun for hardwork.

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The avoiding scrutiny list is a mile long and with Prorogation they have got away with it.

Liz Truss Secretary of State refused to appear before HOC International Trade Select Committee

Since her appointment as Secretary of State, Liz Truss has found the time to cross the Atlantic to meet with Trump administration officials, but has been unable to cross Whitehall and appear before the Select Committee responsible for monitoring the work of her own Department. 

This follows from a Letter from the Committee Chair dated 31 July urging her Department to update its guidance to UK businesses on trading with non-EU countries in the case of a No-Deal Brexit.

There has been no response in 6 weeks and UK businesses trading with Non EU countries remain non the wiser.

Appalling.

Maybe business people have to start doing the Monk thing to be noticed by this Government.

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26 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

The avoiding scrutiny list is a mile long and with Prorogation they have got away with it.

Liz Truss Secretary of State refused to appear before HOC International Trade Select Committee

Since her appointment as Secretary of State, Liz Truss has found the time to cross the Atlantic to meet with Trump administration officials, but has been unable to cross Whitehall and appear before the Select Committee responsible for monitoring the work of her own Department. 

This follows from a Letter from the Committee Chair dated 31 July urging her Department to update its guidance to UK businesses on trading with non-EU countries in the case of a No-Deal Brexit.

There has been no response in 6 weeks and UK businesses trading with Non EU countries remain non the wiser.

Appalling.

Maybe business people have to start doing the Monk thing to be noticed by this Government.

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Self-immolation seems a bit extreme when you can simply emigrate leaving the UK economy to flicker out on its own.

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Another appeal for  Emma De Souza the Irish Girl who the Home Office says is British 

Three judges have already ruled in the DeSouzas’ favour; this is the third appeal from the UK government to have the couple’s case overturned. The appeal was lodged in 2017, but has been delayed several times over the past two years. 

EU Citizens trying to get Permanent Residency status must feel really comfortable watching how the Home Office go about their business. Also makes it pretty clear the British Govt regard the Good Friday Agreement as a nuisance.

 

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1 hour ago, KC375 said:

Self-immolation seems a bit extreme when you can simply emigrate leaving the UK economy to flicker out on its own.

 

His memory flickered on. That car (Austin) behind him is his which he used to drive there. Today sits in a Pagoda/Temple in city of Huế in Vietnam.

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Another appeal for  Emma De Souza the Irish Girl who the Home Office says is British 

Three judges have already ruled in the DeSouzas’ favour; this is the third appeal from the UK government to have the couple’s case overturned. The appeal was lodged in 2017, but has been delayed several times over the past two years. 

EU Citizens trying to get Permanent Residency status must feel really comfortable watching how the Home Office go about their business. Also makes it pretty clear the British Govt regard the Good Friday Agreement as a nuisance.

 

Having lived in the UK and provided services to a number of levels of government in the UK I was aware of how inept, frequently capricious, and fundamentally unfair public administration in the UK can be.

This whole Brexit nonsense has made that even more obvious. In particular the Home Office seems populated from top to bottom with incompetent tin pot dictators with no sense of public service or constructive personal or professional mission but rather a deep streak of sadism.

No matter how Brexit turns out I don’t think I will ever regain my confidence in England’s public administration.

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Corbyn's back on the fence again, according to a TV report just on, he's said labour will neither campaign for or against Brexit if it's still ongoing at the next election.. 

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1 hour ago, KC375 said:

Having lived in the UK and provided services to a number of levels of government in the UK I was aware of how inept, frequently capricious, and fundamentally unfair public administration in the UK can be.

 

This whole Brexit nonsense has made that even more obvious. In particular the Home Office seems populated from top to bottom with incompetent tin pot dictators with no sense of public service or constructive personal or professional mission but rather a deep streak of sadism.

 

No matter how Brexit turns out I don’t think I will ever regain my confidence in England’s public administration.

 

I lost my confidence in the system over a decade ago and irretrievably so. 

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18 minutes ago, mad said:

I lost my confidence in the system over a decade ago and irretrievably so. 

I'm a slow learner. (But in my defence May took the Home Office from a very bad place to a truly evil place)

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32 minutes ago, The Q said:

Corbyn's back on the fence again, according to a TV report just on, he's said labour will neither campaign for or against Brexit if it's still ongoing at the next election.. 

Do you have a link for that please? I’m struggling to believe he’s just jumped back on his fence again! 

WTF! 

He’s got as much to answer for as the Brexiteers which his constant running away from the issues. They all disgust me. 

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59 minutes ago, KC375 said:

I'm a slow learner. (But in my defence May took the Home Office from a very bad place to a truly evil place)

Exactly, she and her predecessor should hang their heads in shame at some of the despicable things they have inflicted on the country and it’s people. 

Corbyn equally so for failing to have the guts to stand up to them. 

And Blair before that with twisting Labour into a soft Tory party and a war based on bullshit. 

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On 9/5/2019 at 4:57 PM, Laser1 said:

And what prevents the EU to say on 31st October - or earlier :

............you either revoke or we will take steps to terminate your membership on 00:01 Hrs November 1st.

Have a good day,

Michel Barnier.

I popped this question a few days ago and since has been mulled over and repeated in some shape or form by others, mainly with political and some economical arguments not to.

One thing I did not see mentioned or discussed is the investment that a lot of EU member countries' governmental departments and private businesses have made to mitigate the effects of a no deal on their borders and sea ports.  This extends to infrastructure and personnel hiring, training and so on.

I would imagine that there is a hard lobby by some businesses on the basis of f8ck em, we have bent over backwards to prepare for this costing us millions. Toss the wankers.  

 

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24 minutes ago, Laser1 said:

I popped this question a few days ago and since has been mulled over and repeated in some shape or form by others, mainly with political and some economical arguments not to.

One thing I did not see mentioned or discussed is the investment that a lot of EU member countries' governmental departments and private businesses have made to mitigate the effects of a no deal on their borders and sea ports.  This extends to infrastructure and personnel hiring, training and so on.

I would imagine that there is a hard lobby by some businesses on the basis of f8ck em, we have bent over backwards to prepare for this costing us millions. Toss the wankers.  

 

A few pragmatic reasons:

1. the UK net annual contribution to the EU is about 7.5 billion Euros - a bit more than half Germany's (12.8) and about 50% more than France's net contribution.

2. Reduced disruption - while the EU is better prepared than the UK for Brexit it will still be disruptive. The longer that is put off the less disruptive it will be - many Continental businesses have eliminated UK suppliers to avoid costs and disruption post Brexit. More time will allow more business to complete the process. Given enough time the UK will not notice the impact of Brexit exports as they will have dried up.

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15 minutes ago, KC375 said:

A few pragmatic reasons:

1. the UK net annual contribution to the EU is about 7.5 billion Euros - a bit more than half Germany's (12.8) and about 50% more than France's net contribution.

2. Reduced disruption - while the EU is better prepared than the UK for Brexit it will still be disruptive. The longer that is put off the less disruptive it will be - many Continental businesses have eliminated UK suppliers to avoid costs and disruption post Brexit. More time will allow more business to complete the process. Given enough time the UK will not notice the impact of Brexit exports as they will have dried up.

By the same token I can also see similar pressures as are being pushed in the UK. “The public just want it over and done”

The rest of the EU must be feeling the same about the UK and rightfully so. If it was me, I’d happily throw the UK under the bus and get on with life. 

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4 minutes ago, mad said:

By the same token I can also see similar pressures as are being pushed in the UK. “The public just want it over and done”

The rest of the EU must be feeling the same about the UK and rightfully so. If it was me, I’d happily throw the UK under the bus and get on with life. 

If it wasn't for the Good Friday Agreement chances are that would have happened.
I'd say instead of the 2nd extension. "So after years of negotiations you have come to the conclusion that you really don't want the deal you wrote in large parts? Ok. Bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out."

But with the GFA behaving like like a bull in a china shop is simply not an option. Some parts of continental Europe do remember what (civil-)war means after all.

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4 minutes ago, Chasm said:

If it wasn't for the Good Friday Agreement chances are that would have happened.
I'd say instead of the 2nd extension. "So after years of negotiations you have come to the conclusion that you really don't want the deal you wrote in large parts? Ok. Bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out."

But with the GFA behaving like like a bull in a china shop is simply not an option. Some parts of continental Europe do remember what (civil-)war means after all.

It seems the EU is far more pragmatic and considerate than the UK is of them.  The UK has reached new lows. 

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2 hours ago, mad said:

It seems the EU is far more pragmatic and considerate than the UK is of them.  The UK has reached new lows. 

it has

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7 hours ago, KC375 said:

I'm a slow learner. (But in my defence May took the Home Office from a very bad place to a truly evil place)

It also is a place where you get onset dementia.

Like this poor fool forgot he was the Home Secretary in 2018/19. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

It also is a place where you get onset dementia.

Like this poor fool forgot he was the Home Secretary in 2018/19. 

 

 

But.....wait , what???

I thought Johnson was a Brexiteer who wanted to take back control of UK borders

So, now Im confused. If you dont have a degree, the border is open and you can stay on for 2 years after you graduate looking for a job.

But if you are European ,have a degree and a job offer,  the UK is not sure they want you and your kind.

 

Ahhhh its a Theresa thing.  Vote against Brexit if its Theresa's bill.    Vote for immigration if it was Theresa's anti-immigration bill.  If May came out in favor of No Deal Brexit, poor old BJs head would start spinning.

 

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19 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

However Boris has tried most of these Sun Tzu Cummings tricks so far and look where it has got him. Maybe it's time to try good old common sence and get off his arse and work like hell to get a Deal?

Unfortunately he is not renoun for hardwork.

Maybe the penny has dropped with Boris and it is time to stop fucking around and get a Deal otherwise he will have to "resign in a ditch" on the 19th October, see A.50 extended by a "caretaker" Government, (possibly led by one of his own he sacked) and see them possibly doing that Deal he couldn't.

So applying Sun Tzu's writings in "The Art of War" first to baffle and wrong foot them, make them look like the "unreasonable aggressor" and "break any alliances" they may have.

War Step 1. Burst the No Deal balloon you inflated domesticaly by getting support to a Deal inclusive of a Irish Only Backstop

To-date/Day 1: Finally fly to Dublin after putting it off as long as possible (record now for time taken B4 a new PM & Taoiseach meet), flag some limited regulatory alignment as the means to solving Irish Border problem knowing that won't be enough, get beaten up and made to look like a dick yet again when visiting heads of state. Fly home to Westminister and get beaten up again.

Now look to be weak and broken and have run out of ideas.

- Day 2: Invite DUP to Downing Street and commence "setting them up". Let them leave thinking you are of the same belief that a Irish Only Backstop would "sever the connection" Nth Ireland and it's UK citizens has with Great Britain. Even throw in you agree with Arlene that the Good Friday Agreement is shit. Arlene Foster says Good Friday Agreement not 'sacrosanct' as she backs Boris Johnson's Brexit plan. Arlene leaves meeting pleased as punch thinking she will put up Boris as a life member of the UVF.

Day 3; Announce you are considering building a bridge to Nth Ireland to strengthen the connection with Great Britain. By the time it's finished face recognition for cows in a truck will be invented and terrestrial border control points will be reduced from trillions over 500 klm to just one 50 metres wide and taken out of the Irish Sea. 

- Day 3: Ring up Arlene and tell her you thought long and hard about what she said and so are working on not removing but "enhancing that Great Britain connection she so desperately wants.

"BTW Arlene if you don't support me we are both fucked come 19 October so take it or leave it." "But Boris what if I support a Irish Only Backstop but then you abandon this bridge down the track and leave me high and dry?" "Trust me Arlene, I'm a man of my word." Sounds of Arlene having a stroke on the other end of the phone. Boris thinks; "I hope a Shinner is driving the ambulance that was called".

Day 4 - Announce that meeting with Donald Tusk was very productive about seeking a Irish Only Backstop solution including discussing the concept of the EU and UK jointly funding a bridge to NI 50/50.

It is after all road traffic between EU Ireland and the EU/UK using our "land bridge" that keeps Ireland alive and so we are just filling in the gap, thus making us and our neighbours ready for the next century. I'm also screwing Donald's arm that UK contractors get preference, notwithstanding the EU's joint financial contribution.

Day 5 - Boris Bounce in the Polls goes off the chart. People are seen burning Brexit Party stickers in the streets and removing their Twitter accounts where they said they wanted a No Deal exit. Jeremy Corbyn found perched on a chair under a tree in his backyard reading a copy of "Knots for Dummies". 

Day 6 - Tell ERG it is "now my way or the highway", take your pick you blackmailing fuckers. Rees Mogg takes a horse drawn carriage to Portsmouth and boards a clipper ship on an expedition to find a British colony.

Day 7 - Announce that the Government V Tory Party "6 Day War" is over and you are well on the way to getting a Deal done on 17 October "come what may". "Trust Boris" is my chapter title I will be suggesting to Sun Tzu for his next print run.

I then woke up.

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^^
Yep Irish on trade, with Barnier staying at Taskforce 50.

And still no Yellowhammer report published.
As I was typing this came in; if that is true ...
Don't panic. Govt signals won't publish Yellow Hammer No deal documents cos they might "serve to concern people" says @andrealeadsom

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And the best line of Leadsom this morning;
Boris Johnson "is negotiating very hard" to remove the backstop from the withdrawal agreement and "seeking alternative creative ways" to deal with the Northern Irish border, Business Secretary Andrea Leadsom says.

But can not say what they are in public as that undermines negotiations. Just ask Greg Hand what they are :)
They really keep saying that they have a secret miracle solution.
 

 

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42 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Yep Irish on trade, with Barnier staying at Taskforce 50.

 Hogan also former Fine Gael Minister so he and Leo V (the Irish not Dutch one :-) will be on the same page.

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Dementia is catching. He Parogued first then said he wasn't looking to call an election, then got belted with a No Deal Bill then sought an election in that order.

 

 

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About deSouza case;

The first-tier immigration and asylum tribunal ruled in his favour, saying that under the terms of the Good Friday agreement people of Northern Ireland were in a unique position within the United Kingdom and could identify themselves as Irish or British, or both.

Appealing against that decision, however, Tom McGleenan QC for the Home Office argued that not all the contents of the agreement had been incorporated into UK law and it did not supersede the 1981 British Nationality Act.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/10/northern-ireland-citizens-must-register-to-identify-as-irish-tribunal-told

Judgement later date.

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So the UK did sign a piece treaty, then refused to implement parts of it in law, and say it was not in line with their law.
Way to go UK, you should have solved that in the 20 years since the signing.

More interesting stuff in it;
Like when do you decide to have an Irish or British nationality ? Are babies stateless till they decide ? Or do they have both ?

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BREAKING: Hong Kong Stock Exchange says it has made an offer for the London Stock Exchange.

Ohoh, if that succeed it is not Singapore but Beijing on the Thames. Must be Corbyn behind it (sarcasm).

And German exchange dropped all costs to move to them for UK EU derivates traders. Offer open till end of year.
(they only attracted 10 % of them up to now, the least lucrative ones)

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

- Day 2: Invite DUP to Downing Street and commence "setting them up". Let them leave thinking you are of the same belief that a Irish Only Backstop would "sever the connection" Nth Ireland and it's UK citizens has with Great Britain. Even throw in you agree with Arlene that the Good Friday Agreement is shit. Arlene Foster says Good Friday Agreement not 'sacrosanct' as she backs Boris Johnson's Brexit plan. Arlene leaves meeting pleased as punch thinking she will put up Boris as a life member of the UVF.

I am happy to report that Boris is on script and Day 2 yesterday is going to plan. Arlene just told me over the radio. (you might need BBC player/account for linky to work)

Good Morning Ulster - 11 Sept - Arlene Foster at 1.38.15 (lasts for 7 minutes).

- Introduction: Arlene the PM says the Irish Only Backstop is off the table..many people say you would be mad to believe him.

- Arlene says yes I do as no British PM will leave NI behind in the EU Customs Union and Single Market.

-  But why would he be listening to you? He has lost 22 MP's incl his own brother?

- Arlene rabbits on saying all is good blah blah.

- Arlene there is talk of live animals and Agri-foods being aligned with EU, but EU new Trade Commissioner Phil Hogan says that falls some way short of a solution. Arlene will you accept or reject that as a solution?

Arlene: We are looking at that but we don't negotiate in the media. 

So now when does Boris tell her he is going to go the Irish Only Backstop route but he will give her a bridge to drive to Scotland?

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Scottish court says something.
A full-on constitutional clash in the making here. Big decision next Tuesday at the Supreme Court.

The implications of the case are deeply serious. If upheld, it would imply the prime minister and the government advised the Queen to act unlawfully. Extraordinary.

And now they are looking in the books if Parliament suspension ended today till Tuesday...

All Cummings plan.

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Interesting: 

'In a summary of their findings, the Court of Session (edit- for clarity, this is the highest court in Scotland) judges said they were unanimous in their belief that Mr Johnson's decision to suspend was motivated by the "improper purpose of stymying Parliament".

They added: "The Court will accordingly make an Order declaring that the Prime Minister's advice to HM the Queen and the prorogation which followed thereon was unlawful and is thus null and of no effect." '

 This will feed into the Supreme Court Hearing that starts next week. Can't help feeling that overruling this in a UK court won't play well in Scotland.

 In other news, the "proposed" bridge (of Jack's dreams :-) ) between NI & Scotland has resurfaced in the news- an old story and one that's going nowhere, as the cost/benefit doesn't add up. IMHO, this would backfire politically, anyway, as it would strengthen the case for an EU "arc" through the celtic nations, with independent Scotland & an EU-aligned NI providing a freight route without borders between Eire & the continent. Looks good on a map; less so once you look at the infrastructure costs and compare a North Sea crossing to a Channel one... Maybe if the Cork/Roscoff route was unable to meet demand it would start to be worth looking into...

Cheers,

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19 minutes ago, LeoV said:

The implications of the case are deeply serious. If upheld, it would imply the prime minister and the government advised the Queen to act unlawfully. Extraordinary.

Boris might take over from Profumo the most celebrated MP to be forced to resign/sacked for misleading Parliament. As Secretary of State it was denying his affair with Christine Keeler, the mistress of a Soviet spy. Boris has already got form in the shagging department but only for misleading his PM.

Boris's defence will be it was Corbyn's fault for leaving him there. 

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17 minutes ago, WGWarburton said:

. Maybe if the Cork/Roscoff route was unable to meet demand it would start to be worth looking into...

The problem is not demand. It only goes a couple times a week now. The problem is time on the water being more than half a day (14 hours) and logistics of unaccompanied trucks. That constraint diminishes the creation of the Celtic EU arc connection by a Irish Scottish bridge.

If EU stumped up half the money a bridge would be a goer, and attractive if you factored in the money lost amongst the EU27 and UK with a messy Brexit.

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Sources in No10 now hitting back at the Scottish judges, suggesting they are politically biased: "We note that last week the High Court in London did not rule that prorogation was unlawful. The legal activists choose the Scottish courts for a reason".

Brilliant, unify the country.

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5 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

The problem is not demand. It only goes a couple times a week now. The problem is time on the water being more than half a day and logistics of unaccompanied trucks. That diminished the creation of the Celtic EU connection.

If EU stumped up half the money a bridge would be a goer, and attractive if you factored in the money lost amongst the EU27 with Brexit.

That's my point- it's not as if the Cork/Roscoff crossing is anywhere near it's potential capacity (though obviously that might change if the trans-England routes become impractical), so there's currently no obvious case for a very expensive bridge to be built to enable an equally slow North Sea crossing- the advantage would be that it would better serve northern continental destinations than arriving in Brittany does but unless there's a clear demonstrable demand (eg more services being added to the Cork route and pressure for extra capacity beyond that) for the route, I can't see the economic case being strong enough. The market is relatively limited, given the combined population is under 11m.

 Cheers,

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The Bridge;
One way of working around the problem of a border in the Irish Sea is to make one above the Irish Sea.

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17 minutes ago, WGWarburton said:

 I can't see the economic case being strong enough. 

You forget the motivation for promising it and once that objective achieved, who says  Boris ever builds it :-)

 

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IF the Bridge is built With Boris backing and the DUP, it becomes a target for the IRA (or one of it's decendants),  if it gets built with  the wishes of Ireland / IRA or their decendants , then the Protestant side will want to blow it up.

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31 minutes ago, The Q said:

IF the Bridge is built With Boris backing and the DUP, it becomes a target for the IRA (or one of it's decendants),  if it gets built with  the wishes of Ireland / IRA or their decendants , then the Protestant side will want to blow it up.

Why would Republicans blow up something that has moved the border and finally brings them Reunification after a 100 years??

Why would Unionists blow up something that finally physically connects them to Great Britain and brings them Britishness?? 

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39 minutes ago, LeoV said:

The Bridge;
One way of working around the problem of a border in the Irish Sea is to make one above the Irish Sea.

and next have the Scots decide they are better off outside the UK... just to add a bit more the the surreal idea of a bridge... brits pay bigtime for a bridge and next scots dump them, yeah.

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19 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Why would Republicans blow up something that has moved the border and finally brings them Reunification after a 100 years??

Why would Unionists blow up something that finally physically connects them to Great Britain and brings them Britishness?? 

It won't happen - end of conversation.

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

Sources in No10 now hitting back at the Scottish judges, suggesting they are politically biased: "We note that last week the High Court in London did not rule that prorogation was unlawful. The legal activists choose the Scottish courts for a reason".

Brilliant, unify the country.

Yes but which country.

This may help unify Ireland and unit Scotland behind leave.

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No.10’s attitude is increasingly “it doesn’t matter what the law says. It doesn’t matter what the judges say. We can ignore it and it won’t matter because we’ll be vindicated at the ballot box”. Regardless of your view of Brexit, we are getting into very dangerous territory.
Dan Hodges.

Who have thought that, the UK politics sunk so low.
In the EU they compete  with the Hungarians and the Italians.
IN all fairness, the Italians are doing a better job lately.

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Off course the 20 % hardcore Brexiteers see it different;
activist, vexatious lawyers exploiting corrupt Judges in order to destroy democracy, just so they can surrender the UK to a foreign dictatorship. THAT is dangerous territory.

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25 minutes ago, mad said:

It won't happen - end of conversation.

Yep but don't tell Arlene. Longer bridges but in shallow water. The water depth there the cost killer.

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This is going on for hours and still no word from BJ.
Did he not prepare for the two outcomes this time ?
Or is he out of the country ?

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