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1 hour ago, mad said:

Why the fuck is he not being held to account for these statements? The press/media and the so called opposition are a bunch of spineless cunts. 

Mad sit down... you won't like this.

 

The Sky source was pretty dogged.

 

Also don't forget the means for spreading the message by "undermining the referendum result" with industrial scale electoral fraud. See that near vertical spike to Leave? That's £10m criminal cheating. Two sides playing by different rules. Nothing to do with democracy

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8 hours ago, Laser1 said:

From one of my suppliers - more & more orders now come with the below foot note :

Special Note

With the current uncertainty the UK faces with Brexit and future trade relations with the EU ..... Industries Ltd will endeavour to maintain price and lead times but this may not be possible where the product or material is sourced from the EU.

I’ve been putting that little caveat on all of my quotes for the last 3 years. ‘Quotes are valid for 30 days’

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4 hours ago, The Q said:

SO... no one expects them to tell the truth, they are politicians

Politicians may lie, but not to much. This lying is of a scale that is to much for a democracy to sustain without problems later on.

Does the UK not have a parliamentary inquiry ? The parliamentary committee of inquiry is a particular type of temporary committee of the House. The parliamentary inquiry is the most powerful instrument the Dutch parliament has at its disposal to carry out its duty to scrutinize the work of the Government.

Witnesses called by a committee of inquiry are obliged to appear before the committee. This holds true for ministers and state secretaries as well. Witnesses are questioned under oath. This means that they can be prosecuted for perjury if it turns out that they have not been telling the truth. Hearings are held in public, a process that often takes several weeks. They attract a lot of attention from the public and the media. The House of Representatives realises that the public nature of the hearings may be painful for the witnesses. But the House is of the opinion that the public nature of the hearings is typical of the parliamentary inquiry.

https://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/how-parliament-works/parliamentary-inquiry

It made our lying minister of justice a bus chauffeur. It really damages persons if they being found out to lie. No cushy jobs after that.

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Well who would have thought Farage making BJ look like the far-right extremist and himself the moderate. But in the past he said extremist stuff.

“Once Brexit is done, we will take the knife to the pen pushers in Whitehall,”

 

 

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Mathew Coats resignation, Wow. It makes one think November 1 will be such a mess that those most in the know are trying to get as far away as possible.

When the guys running the nuclear weapons test site or monitoring the reactor run past you with fear in their eyes,  ...time to start running too (or maybe just too late).

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Hancock interview, where is your soul ? Answers with almost all lies.
deliver peoples priorities, okey.
CUP in centre, long gone.
Broad church, long long gone.
specially next generation; Lab and CUP are loosing them fast. And CUP did not have many voting for them anyway.
progressive forward looking, very debatable, no proof.

Very good question, he came to push NHS spending promises, must have a bad taste now in his mouth. More good questions he did not answer; are you affraid of Cummings ?
 


 

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Boris Johnson has been formally referred for potential investigation into whether he committed the criminal offence of misconduct in public office, over allegations about a conflict of interest with a US businesswoman while he was mayor of London.

An official from the Greater London Authority, the city’s devolved government, has written to the prime minister noting claims he had “on more than one occasion used your position as mayor to benefit and reward” Jennifer Arcuri, a tech entrepreneur.

YCMTSU!! 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/27/boris-johnson-referred-to-police-watchdog-over-potential-misconduct?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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12 minutes ago, KC375 said:

Mathew Coats resignation, Wow. It makes one think November 1 will be such a mess that those most in the know are trying to get as far away as possible.

When the guys running the nuclear weapons test site or monitoring the reactor run past you with fear in their eyes,  ...time to start running too (or maybe just too late).

Halloween and November the 5th is going to be a party of epic proportions. 

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17 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Hancock interview, where is your soul ? Answers with almost all lies.
deliver peoples priorities, okey.
CUP in centre, long gone.
Broad church, long long gone.
specially next generation; Lab and CUP are loosing them fast. And CUP did not have many voting for them anyway.
progressive forward looking, very debatable, no proof.

Very good question, he came to push NHS spending promises, must have a bad taste now in his mouth. More good questions he did not answer; are you affraid of Cummings ?
 


 

NAO report on NHS Brexit prep as summarized by the Guardian:

Ministers still do not know if NHS can cope with no deal, says watchdog

 As summarized on the NAO website - not reassuring but not appocalyptic:

Overall assessment

The Department has done a great deal of work to prepare for a no-deal exit. It identified several high-risk areas and took steps to fill gaps in the information it held, for example on the reliance of supplies on the short Channel crossings. It worked effectively with stakeholders in the medicines industry to understand the challenges they face in the event of a no-deal exit and to address them, for example by providing additional warehouse capacity. However, there remains a significant amount to do before 31 October, in particular to ensure that:

  • government has a full picture of preparedness across the supplier base;
  • sufficient cross-government freight capacity is in place; and
  • social care providers such as nursing homes are fully prepared.

In the event of a no-deal exit, the Department would be working in a highly uncertain environment and operating all the elements of its plan would be a hugely demanding task.

 

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Are they building their own reactor for radio isotopes for cancer research/ treatment ? UK buys now over here.
As the EU/Dutch are building a new one to replace an older, at huge costs, and after No deal EU countries in the East who are demanding more products will be supplied first is the prediction. So they better start building now, takes at least 10 years. Or buy  them in the States, who do not have a surplus.

The current reactor, which is almost 60 years old, produces medical isotopes used for diagnoses and treatment all over the world. It is responsible for 30% of the worldwide production of medical isotopes.

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24 minutes ago, KC375 said:

As summarized by the Guardian:

Ministers still do not know if NHS can cope with no deal, says watchdog

A touch of project fear going on hear.

As summarized on the NAO website - not reassuring but not appocalyptic:

Overall assessment

The Department has done a great deal of work to prepare for a no-deal exit. It identified several high-risk areas and took steps to fill gaps in the information it held, for example on the reliance of supplies on the short Channel crossings. It worked effectively with stakeholders in the medicines industry to understand the challenges they face in the event of a no-deal exit and to address them, for example by providing additional warehouse capacity. However, there remains a significant amount to do before 31 October, in particular to ensure that:

  • government has a full picture of preparedness across the supplier base;
  • sufficient cross-government freight capacity is in place; and
  • social care providers such as nursing homes are fully prepared.

In the event of a no-deal exit, the Department would be working in a highly uncertain environment and operating all the elements of its plan would be a hugely demanding task.

 

So yet again, can anybody spell out the benefits of Brexit? I’m struggling to see any......or even just one. 

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2 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Are they building their own reactor for radio isotopes for cancer research/ treatment ? UK buys now over here.
As the EU/Dutch are building a new one to replace an older, at huge costs, and after No deal EU countries in the East who are demanding more products will be supplied first is the prediction. So they better start building now, takes at least 10 years. Or buy  them in the States, who do not have a surplus.

The current reactor, which is almost 60 years old, produces medical isotopes used for diagnoses and treatment all over the world. It is responsible for 30% of the worldwide production of medical isotopes.

I think I might look into buying shares in EU based health providers. 

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7 minutes ago, mad said:

I think I might look into buying shares in EU based health providers. 

Not over here, they are non listed :) try the US.

Oh the technical assistance girl case gets weirder. Visa dodgy, payments to Mercer Tory MP.

I always call the girl I tap a tag.

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21 minutes ago, mad said:

So yet again, can anybody spell out the benefits of Brexit? I’m struggling to see any......or even just one. 

Acting as the devil's advocate (not a member of any bar so clearly malpractice). Either or of the following benefits:

To plot a different social and economic path from continental Europe. In either of two forms.

1.      Free the UK to become an efficient and competitive economy allowing the greatest contributors to amass wealth and encouraging the slackers to get off their lazy asses. The EU has adopted a well intentioned deep and wide ranging regulatory framework addressing animal welfare through to accessibility for the less mobile, privacy rights, etc. etc. The effect of these regulations may be viewed as a “fairer” market economy or as restrictions holding back economic dynamism. The EU has also taken an  active approach in raising taxes and then redistributing these funds to less well off individuals and regions. While this may build social cohesion and lots of other good things the “dead weight loss of taxes” means this shrinks the economy over what it might otherwise have been.

2.      To enable the UK to achieve its potential as fully socialist society where the government controls all means of production and determines how all surplus is distributed. The EU has certain norms and rules around property rights, taxation etc. etc. that make it hard to create fair (but probably impoverished) world that would have no economic (or educational) differences across society.

There is possibly an additional benefit. The disruption of leaving the EU and the single minded pursuit of one of the above benefits would likely lead to jettisoning NI, possibly separating Scotland and maybe even freeing Wales. That would allow the English to finally and fully wallow in their own nationalism freed of any burden or pretence at being part of either the UK or GB.

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55 minutes ago, mad said:

The UK is particularly conveluted in its procedures...so BJ was blatantly practicing "Funding with benefits" and the way to go after him for that is through his role in the Police line of authority? Now that is creative:

"Johnson has been referred to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), which investigates complaints of misconduct connected to police in England and Wales.

The matter has been sent to the IOPC because, as mayor, Johnson was also the head of the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime, a role equivalent to police and crime commissioner for the capital"

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22 minutes ago, KC375 said:

The UK is particularly conveluted in its procedures...so BJ was blatantly practicing "Funding with benefits" and the way to go after him for that is through his role in the Police line of authority? Now that is creative:

"Johnson has been referred to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), which investigates complaints of misconduct connected to police in England and Wales.

The matter has been sent to the IOPC because, as mayor, Johnson was also the head of the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime, a role equivalent to police and crime commissioner for the capital"

In the normal world, that would start with an automatic revoking of your security clearances, removal of all files, computers, hard drives and put on suspension. 
It’s very simple and can be done tonight or tomorrow morning, the authorities are just spineless......... as usual. 
 

Seems BJ has had a lesson from Trump earlier this week. 

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9 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Is there any proof of this ?

what it did in shocks like recession on 08, it shrinks the economy less, but it took longer to recover.
A healthy, happy, well educated workforce with good retirement possibility are highly productive.
Companies get a good labour force, good infrastructure and investment fond for development. And a stable situation to invest.
Would be interesting to see the statistics. I think build up of population is more important, we have to many old people to young ratio.
Young people take more risks in starting new businesses.

I think the dead weight loss of taxes is pretty well established (I did see some reasonably well cited work on that years ago). It does make rational sense. The taxes create a wedge between the buyer and the seller - it costs you more so you either buy less or have less left over for something else and as you buy less the seller receives less and is also worse off. {Of course their are exceptions where consuming someting creates unpriced/paid costs for others e.g. greenhouse gases, water pollution, cancer etc. in these cases taxes properly applied may actually improve economic efficiency). So in general taxes shrink the economy.

So then the question is whether what taxes are spent on grows the economy enough to make up for the "dead weight". Where you have scale effects or can avoid free riders then public purchases may well be a net benefit (policing, fire protection, infrastructure like roads rail canals, health care, education, basic research etc.) Clearly some public spending benefits overcome the shrinkage of the economy from the taxes raised for them.

I think there is a good argument that many/most governments then go too far down the curve of diminishing returns but where the cut off is...don't think that's a certainty. {I'd suggest but others would disagree...that using tax dollars for the common agricultrual policy, the olympics, for "EU city of culture", not to mention some of the unimportant but amusing gems here  are examples that might no pass the cost benefit test}. Of course if you are a free market Brexiteer you would have to take a look at cost like are the Royal Family worth the cost to the Exchequer

 

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For a funnier note;
Bloke on LBC just said if we don’t leave the EU he will leave the UK. Eddie Mair asked him where he’ll go? His reply was somewhere in Europe. You really cannot make this shit up.

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And the bullshit is now coming on so thick and fast you now need a snorkel to survive.

U.K. Chancellor of the Exchequer Sajid Javid is planning a no-deal Brexit “guarantee” worth £16.6 billion.

 Javid said last night the money "included £4.3 billion for the coming year if Britain departs without a deal on the Oct. 31 deadline -- would offset EU money normally earmarked for businesses, universities and charities."

Firstly remember his departmental forward spending budget for 2020/21 year tabled in Parliament last month? Seems it doesn't include all this £4.3 billion he just pulled out of his arse.

Secondly let's pick just one business that currently recieves EU money requiring his offset.

Under the EU Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) the UK agricultural sector received a total under all pillars including co financing around €4.1 billion in 2017, where according to the National Audit Office (NAO) Report dated June 2019 €2.4 billion was made up of Direct Payments. So just one business's current EU budget exceeds Javid's total budget set aside for all business, universities and charities for 2020/21 year. He needs a new abacus.

Let's dig deeper to ascertain the ramifications of Javid's number crunching. 

- The  NAO Report says 42% of UK farmers would have made a loss between 2014 and 2017 without direct payments from the EU.

- The UK government has said it would guarantee current funding levels for farmers up until 2022 when direct payments begin to be phased out. See attached chart from NAO Report. However this undertaking of 2022 is only for the term of the current Government, not one coming from a pending election. In other words they are being phased out imediatley.

- According to the National Farmers Union (NFU): "Farmers and growers manage more than 70% of the UK landscape and play a fundamental role in providing safe, traceable and affordable food as well as environmental and economic benefits for the nation." See attached charts from NAO Report indicating allocation of CAP contributions, noting the Govt underspend on environmental/landscape benefits.

- The UK produces less than two-thirds of the food it consumes. The shortfall comes largely from the EU where for EU27 it is 100%+.

Therefore the Johnson Government intend doing to the "agricultural sector" and "rural environment" exactly what Thatcher did first to the coal industry and then to the UK manufacturing sector.

The consequence of that is the UK will have an increasing reliance on the EU for fresh food, yet not be in that Common or Single Market. In other words the UK will get the surplus scraps and subject to the tarriffs the UK want to adopt compared to current zero tarriffs, agri-food products being more expensive in the UK compared to the EU. 

A country that will drinking out of potholes in the road before they know it. Wonder how many people voted for that in 2016?

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And here's me thinking that governments rarely hold much of a surpluss and that one way or another it all goes back into the ecconomy. Tax is no different to "profit". They're just different forms of redistribution and a drag on ecvonomic efficiency. One is extortion through control of the means of provision, the other is extortion through control of the law. Its questionable wherher one is more efficient that the other.

... at least tax mostly gets spent close to the souce of its production rather than getting warehoused unproductivly offshore.

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Messages in 3000 primary schools in England, when told about it in the HOC he did not say anything about it and just banged on his promise to spend more.
I thought it was a hoax. Still could be, but at least he could have promised to research and made sure he thought this is not right.

 

 

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You will recall the Brexit narrative that the Germans would fold and grant the UK concessions to avoid a no deal Brexit. This is from an election survey programme on German channel ZDF (red are those replying no).

Seems Downing St think they are the only one with domestic politics in play...they can't win a trick.

 

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On 9/26/2019 at 5:22 AM, KC375 said:

If Boris can't show due respect and humility with respect to Jo Cox, he might want to reflect on Ian Gow. BJ's direspect for the Good Friday Agreement might just draw to him the same outcome as Gow.

 

On 9/26/2019 at 5:49 PM, LeoV said:

Yesterday around 80 MP's on the Tory bench did not go with the applaud our leader in parliament. They applauded long enough to make a good count...
Of them 20 or so already had withdrawn the whip (if all were present) so at least 60 are now branded disloyal.
In good style a purge is needed.

Here is an Irish connection and for those who enthusiastically applauded Boris, I wonder how Javid feels? This is having regard to at best that section of the community their actions appeal to or at worst those they want to attract at ballot box like Britain First supporters. Then we have Boris doing all in his power to be a clone of Trump, including that of having no respect for Jo Cox and by extension support of organisations like Britain First.

Here is an interesting "hate speech" mystery tour starting with this Tweet by Javid in late 2017.

His Tweet referred to this. By retweeting Britain First, Trump offends a decency he cannot understand - Brendan Cox widower of MP Jo Cox

This BBC Spotlight investigation broadcast 4 months ago of this far right party Britian First, highlights some scary stuff including their connections with Unionists in Nth Ireland and using a loophole in Northern Ireland law to get around English hate speech laws and social media cracking down on their content.

Britain First have been in the headlines recently. Britain First fined £44,000 over electoral law breaches - July 2019

Contrary to reports they are alive and well as you can see by these headlines from last week.

Far-right Britain First vigilantes pelted with rocks in Calais before mounting refugee  patrols on cliffs of Dover.

Well down Boris, you are now a cheerleader, if not a martyr for these cunts.

As for Sajid saying "I refuse to let it go and say nothing" when it's Trump but when it's Boris saying it, his hypocritical silence is deafening. Says it all about the Tory Party. They are fast moving to stake a claim in this far right territory of cunts in desperation to stay alive.

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Dear UK

You have a wee problem.

Your "posh coked up narwhal" and "absolute horse fart” PM is embarrassing you all on the world stage.

Is it the drink or coke making him feel that hungover to need new eyes in the morning and to channel incoherently centuries old dead Greek people?

You really need to do some some form of intervention?

Yours sincerely

Your UN Friends.

PS. We did piss our pants laughing though.

 

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On 9/28/2019 at 5:53 AM, LeoV said:

This departure of Mathew Coates DG for EU Exit implementation is very significant. 

1. He had only been in the job a year.

2. Prior to July and him reporting to Gove the Minister for Brexit Exit, he reported to Civil Service Chief Executive John Manzoni and DExEU perm sec Philip Rycroft. Has the position now become politicised prompting his departure?

3. This means the two and only Senior Civil Servants (not Perm Sec) in positions responsible for overseeing exiting the EU, being him and Karen Wheeler, HMRC DG Border Coordination have now both resigned, with her in June. Her position does not appear to have been replaced. One of her prime areas of responsibility was the Irish border.

4. There have been numerous recent resignations now including DExEU perm sec Philip Rycroft and in June Tom Shinner, who was Director of policy and delivery coordination at DExEU. He was regarded as the "Mr Big of No Deal Brexit" and it was joked "if he was hit by a No 53 bus on Parliament Square, Brexit wouldn’t happen!”. Justin Russell, who was in charge of no-deal Brexit preparations at the Ministry of Justice has also resigned. 

5. Wheeler went on to appear as a witness at Parliamentary Special Committee Hearings to reveal that exit planning was fucked. I wonder if Coates will ever get the chance to appear and do the same and bury Gove before this parliamentary term ends?

It would therefore appear that Civil Service oversight for exiting the EU and in particular aspects attached to No Deal and the Irish Border no longer exists and it is now the sole domain of Downing Street lead by Gove.

It is little wonder therefore that there is no real detail in the public domain about the impacts of a No Deal exit and actions being undertaken by the Government to mitigate them.

Politicising the Civil Service is not new. One national leader was praised by millions for giving their nation a very short taste of its lost greatness by making their trains run on time, changed his political persuasion, rebranded his party, wrote a book, worshiped a pre-Jesus Mediterranean empire, had family members betray him and had the Crown legitimise his actions. To close the circle has Boris ever stabbed a girlfriend?

Unfortunately this fellow took his country down the toilet in the process and where he ended up "hanging around" for only a short time after losing the job. 

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A good example of national division being these two punters off the street being educated by Gina Miller.

They don't understand due-process, the stages, where it is at and overlaid with being mislead into thinking a non-binding referendum result is democracy. On top of that don't understand No Deal actually means alternatively hundreds of really hard deal making that starts the next day.

It is hard not to sympathise with them, but unfortunately that is their fault if they don't understand by now that their ignorance has been taken advantage of.

PS. Brexiterrs love demonizing Miller but it was her court action that forced May to put A.50 to parliamentary vote to make it legal. Without that vote A.50 and Brexit would be "dead as a dodo," so they ironically owe her a huge debt of thanks.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Keith said:

Could be worse, you could be in Hong Kong's position....   

Question is probably not "if" but only "when" if the Govt don't wind down their rhetoric and bullshit.

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Clarke seems to be about the only viable choice as leader of a Government of National Unity (if they gave Boris the boot or he resigned) and one with term and policy based on the single issue of sorting Brexit. Both Corbyn or Swinson as leaders of a GNU are a "no go zone" if they want make a GNU fly.

However where does it lead to?

Either first securing a HOC mandate on fundamentals to a Deal they could take to Brussels would mean Lib Dems rolling over on a Deal and Labour insisting staying in the Single Market for their version of a Deal. Needing of course a majority of votes where a large slab of Tory MP's will go feral to incite those in the street.

Then put that Deal to a confirming referendum along with Remain followed by a GE.

The only other option is going straight to a 2nd Yes or No referendum with deal details but which Labour and probably a few Tory rebels won't support unless they have a change of heart

The odds of for any of the above succeeding appear pretty long so what is the point??? Other of course than the insurance of getting an extension by denying Boris the opportunity to break the law and crash out with No Deal?

You would think making sure Boris is denied the means to break the law and force him to either seek an extension or resign would prove more helpful to their electoral chances and limit community dissent.

 

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Just watched one of Boris's awesome foursome Wales play Australia in RWC in Tokyo. Won't do a spoiler. Great match but big spoiler was fucktard EU French referee. I'm starting to think Brexit is good :-)

Hey Boris weren't you successfully tackled by a 6 year old?

 

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/michel-barnier-boris-johnson-polarising-behaviour-brexit-deal

Michel Barnier: Boris Johnson’s behaviour has ‘limited the chance’ of a Brexit deal
Brussels fears prime minister has ‘lost control’ of events and warns that hopes of an agreement are now ‘very low’
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Watched the Marr show, UK is now in an all or nothing gamble with BJ.
Unity the country, nope, polarize the country.
Nothing good can come from this.
Only 32 days left.

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

Watched the Marr show, UK is now in an all or nothing gamble with BJ.
Unity the country, nope, polarize the country.
Nothing good can come from this.
Only 32 days left.

"Nothing good can come of this"??

Come on Leo you are the eternal pessimist.

There is a convoy of double decker buses with 65 million people on board hurtling towards the Cliffs of Dover doing 60 mph (where many on board think that a far safer speed than that terrifying Euro 100 kph shit).

Anyway Boris, the ERG and those who have shorted the £ are all in Boris's Bus or the "lead bus" in that convoy and they insisted on taking over the "upper deck" to get a good view of the UK countryside as they left.

PS. The resultant traffic jamb was actually forecast in Yellow Hammer but Gove told them not to believe it.

 

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Part 3 of the the BBC documentary titled the "Spotlight on the Troubles - The Secret History" is just out on UTuber. Thanks to pirates, we would never see this Online without having a UK TV Licence.

This episode is very Brexit but not the producers intent. It reveals the "foundation" to the recent statements by the US Congress  controlled by the Democrats saying if Boris fucks around with the Good Friday Agreement both he and Trump can kiss any UK/US Free Trade Agreement goodbye without their consent.

No chance of US-UK deal if Northern Ireland peace at risk – Pelosi

The geni is out of the bottle and now gaining cross party support in Washington even though the Democrates have the power of veto on WTO trade deals . Just from 4 weeks ago. Nancy Pelosi urged to only back US-UK trade efforts that protect peace deal

The foundation to this opinion in Washington surrounds a FBI criminal case against the IRA in the US Courts in the early 1980's that went from a "clear cut criminal" case to "international political" with a bullet including the CIA to spice things up.

Boris and Trump clearly have no idea about the weight of history or anything Irish.

Beware Spoiler ... US Court Case against IRA Gun Runners

 

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^^^^ Fuck ..so even Gove shagged her too using the taxpayer cheque book???

This doesn't look good even in Tory heartland comprising senile female members with purple hair who voted for Boris still thinking Thatcher is alive and delivers their groceries.

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We are now entering the world of Boris igniting madness on purpose because he can leverage off it to remain King. 

Few seem to get this. Boris has let the Genie out of the bottle.

A banner displayed on a bridge over the River Irwell today during the Conservative Party Conference.

 

 

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Mate your fucked...friends of the US made pneumatic blonde are now telling the UK press you were shagging her while you were influencing taxpayer cheques being written with her name on.

But hey keep denying mate until the pee pee pics get printed in the Sun and then even the 52% who think they are the 100% think you are pathetic.

 

 

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Boris proves he is a pale imitation of Trump.

BJ has only been able to maintain a little over 7 lies a day since running for leadership of the Tories.

Trump has told over 10,000 falsehoods showing twice the pace maintaining an average of 15 a day for a year at a time now. TRULY MAGA.

Of course with the US knack for promotion each instance of a Trump lie is counted whereas the reserved UK approach eliminates double counting by treating repeated identical false hoods as only one lie.

I just can't imagine how either can keep up the pace. We are blessed by truly remarkable leadership.

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17 minutes ago, KC375 said:

Boris proves he is a pale imitation of Trump.

Trump was at least smart enough to buy all the incriminating pics before standing for public office, then burning it. Boris probably still has his in his wallet.

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9 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Trump was at least smart enough to buy all the incriminating pics before standing for public office. Boris probably still has his in his wallet.

But trumps error was that he delegated the purchasing to Cohen and Pecker (really a name that fits)...leaving the incriminating evidence in on someone else’s tape and in someone else’s safe, seems amateur.

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37 minutes ago, KC375 said:

But trumps error was that he delegated the purchasing to Cohen and Pecker (really a name that fits)...leaving the incriminating evidence in on someone else’s tape and in someone else’s safe, seems amateur.

 

Boris needs to take yet again another leaf out of Trump's playbook.

Cummings tonight is filming Boris peeing over #10's Larry the Cat with the pneumatic US blonde in attendance, naked and confused..he will then upload that on UTube tomorrow saying the media have got Boris all wrong.

Larry was on fire and Boris saved him, a national treasure, who if he was human would have voted Leave with No Deal.

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It was my understanding one needed the consent of the Speaker to take photos inside the House of Commons? 

When does this pissing on the Constitution, Parliamentary Rules, Conventions and Legislation stop?

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Word on the street is Cummings general election Tory campaign strategy of Boris tieing Brexit and the NHS together and him being the NHS's savior has hit a speed bump.

Hasn't Boris already crashed and burnt using "Save our NHS' election porkies before?

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Johnson off to a good conference start, he just keeps on giving:

CHARLOTTE EDWARDES ON BORIS JOHNSON’S WANDERING HANDS

On the second anniversary of #MeToo, our new columnist recalls a scandalous encounter with the prime minister, etc

The beginning of The Times article sounds good, but is behind a paywall, if someone good copy it, please.

Plenty of comments all around of course, and as usual the Guardian is probably the best source:     https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/29/no-10-denies-claims-boris-johnson-squeezed-thigh-journalist-charlotte-edwardes

grabbing “enough inner flesh beneath his fingers” to make her “sit upright”

Who's next?

 

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8 minutes ago, huey 2 said:

So did Andrew dork her too? Seems unlikely considering her age.

And apart from screwing and taking the money, did she actually do anything business wise?

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Wind back to February 2017 when May published this White Paper titled The United Kingdom’s exit from and new partnership with the European Union White Paper. It clearly showed what the Government were seeking to achieve in negotiating an exit from, and new partnership with, the European Union. It is this basis of a orderly exit upon which people voted the Government into power in mid 2017, albeit with a reduced seat majority and with 42% of the vote.

Then in July last year May published this 100 page White Paper titled The Future Relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union.

This paper commonly called the "Chequers Agreement" was based on a three-page cabinet agreement made at Chequers on 6 July laying out further what the UK sought to achieve in the Brexit negotiations for public consumption. Reaction within was mixed.

Davis and Johnson resigned. Conversely Raab (as the new Brexit Secretary replacing Davis) went on to write a glowing forward in the Paper including the words; "a principled, pragmatic and ambitious future partnership between the UK and the EU".

Every person in the UK could read these White Papers and they were the subject of countless press articles such as this. What's in the Brexit White Paper.

So for two years the public were kept fully informed of the Government's intentions via open and transparent means. This approach facilitated debate both inside and outside parliament and even before  EU submissions were made.

Wind forward to today.

1. The Tory Party are in Manchester sitting under banner slogan "Get Brexit Done". Yet no-one in the UK including the majority of Cabinet have any idea on what Boris/the Government is hoping to achieve in the Brexit negotiations? The EU are also none the wiser as formal proposals won't be submitted by the UK until next week in advance of the EU Summit on 17 October. The only known is Brexit will be done on 31 October and in the case of no deal, presumably by the Government breaking the law. Then overlaid by a PM currently the subject of two investigations about a pneumatic blonde and conflicts of interest.

2. The Opposition Parties meanwhile back in London are contemplating everything from impeachment proceedings to a VONC and installing a temporary "caretaker government" and everything in between. This is to facilitate a orderly exit from the EU and where the UK public are made fully aware of the headline terms in advance of EU submissions, including a chance to vote via possibly a General Election and or Referendum.

The outcome to the above conflicting positions about Brexit will be claims of a "constitutional coup" and "democracy has been hijacked". Some with loose tongues may even incite civil unrest using these two slogans.

However having regard for the above actions, which side does these slogans about coups and hijacking truly apply to? 

PS. It seems some Tory members couldn't contain their excitement listening to speech after speech yesterday about a Brexit withdrawal agreement that made no mention of what is in it.

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43 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

And apart from screwing and taking the money, did she actually do anything business wise?

Lots of self promotion but little or no income outside grants etc. First company at time Boris's trouser snake got loose had negative shareholder funds of -£42k which is polite accounting language for broke. She gave up on second company going back to the states but then got a £100k grant this year, where half already paid.

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My cousin tells me he has a friend at Tory conference in Manchester who told him there are rumblings of members being pissed off about electing Boris with him saying No Deal was a one in a million chance and no Brexit plans being made available until next week and after conference is concluded, but Boris still wants their endorsement at conference end. Also noise about Cabinet having to grow balls and intervene if Boris attempts to crash out by breaking the law and why is Cummings making public statements that makes members appear to be cut from the same cloth and looking like out of touch fuckwits.

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Prime Minster Boris Johnson arriving on the Conservative Get together convention.

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Plenty of minders surely, fair enough, he probably needs them.

But what is going on with that bottle, what's in it?

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50 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

But what is going on with that bottle, what's in it?

Like the Kipper and ice pillow a prop for Boris's speech that will also end up a train smash.

I believe it is a bottle of Worcestershire Sauce, a Lea & Perrins brand first commercialised in 1837. Boris will tell everyone that after 31 October this proud 182 year old UK brand doesn't need a pesky EU label stating the full ingredients anymore.

Unfortunately that current EU label warning of fish content, or more particularly anchovies if removed, will have jurisdictions like even the US forcing a product recall with that undeclared content. Also unless the anchovies when caught are carrying UK passports, even stating proudly a 100% UK product comes into question.

Boris and his advisors are sadly not detail men.

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6 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said:

grabbing “enough inner flesh beneath his fingers” to make her “sit upright

She also alleged that he did the same to another woman at the same event.

Boris defence is he wasn't pissed but simply distracted by the Irish border issue.

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https://twitter.com/fascinatorfun/status/1178408057476399104?s=21

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I would laugh like a drain if this happened.  

I wanna be there to see it!

 

Can you imagine Johnson & mate’s faces?!

 

The ERG shower?

 

Andrea Leadsom?

 

Brexit fiasco twist as secret plan to make Speaker John Bercow prime minister revealed - Daily Record

Strangely enough, this was a discussion I had with friends a couple of weeks ago. 

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^^^^^ He has already announced retiring as speaker being 31 October or new session which ever occurs first. Also an egomaniac so how could he resist and by already having an independent tag imposed by the HOC. So not far fetched. 

The Edwardian Pencil and his ERG Spartans of around 60 or so who kidnapped the HOC around a year ago will explode. They will probably kill Boris in the knife fight and buy Farage TShirts to hide the blood. The Pencil's speech yesterday at conference included a non sanctioned by #10 reference paying homage to Farage. The cracks starting to appear?

Opposition parties appear to have a much smarter game plan and with each having little regard for each other, that is quite remarkable. The scoreline is 7/0 in HOC so they have good reason to believe that plan is working.

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Votes against Boris in HOC should not automatically include those who he kicked to the kerb.

 

Churchill's Grandson has been consistent or has he? Remember these two pieces. The poor bugger is obviously conflicted

Sir Nicholas Soames says Tories started resembling ‘Brexit sect’ - Attacks Boris Johnson’s leadership and called Jacob Rees-Mogg a ‘fraud’

 

 

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Fuck me dead lady you are in Manchester not Zermatt.

 

Anyway after 31 October Boris promises every hotel and indeed everyone in the UK will have a bathroom like this. You just need to trust him.

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While Tory delegates are waiting for Boris to take the stage he is introduced by the Tory Party Chairman winding everyone up about the Leave campaign coming out on top, we have to respect that blah blah and the Brexit Party will destroy us unless we exit with No Deal ......but then this Vid suddenly flashes up on the screen behind him.

Tory delegates then become very confused, then get really agitated and start throwing their cucumber sandwiches on stage. The Edwardian Pencil suddenly has to take a piss. Gove seen swallowing his own vomit...Rabb seen trying to end his life with a pencil...

...OK ....maybe I'm dreaming.

 

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10 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said:

grabbing “enough inner flesh beneath his fingers” to make her “sit upright

 

4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

She also alleged that he did the same to another woman at the same event.

If you think things are really weird...they have now got even fucking weirder.

 

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I gotta say, nobody does political sex scandals like the Brits. The stew has been tasty but missing some salt. Glad to see that sorted.

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1 hour ago, IStream said:

I gotta say, nobody does political sex scandals like the Brits. The stew has been tasty but missing some salt. Glad to see that sorted.

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Must be Christine Keeler of the Profumo scandal, briefly mentioned by Jack previously. More here:   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profumo_affair

No direct connection yet with the Russians this time, but a pee pee in Moscow could still surface.

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https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/07/24/boris-johnsons-russian-oligarch-problem/

 

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Russian pee pee

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2 hours ago, IStream said:

I gotta say, nobody does political sex scandals like the Brits

Billy Joel didn't miss that either in his post 1940's rapid fire modern history number "We Didn't Start the Fire". 

Go to 2.35... "British Politician Sex" is wedged between "Malcom X" and "JFK Blown Away"

He wrote the song in 1989 upon turning 40 so starting from 1949 the year in which he was born, he chronicled the major events that occurred during his life time. Quite brilliant.

 

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It is now getting really, really difficult to rank Boris's lying stooges. This dickhead with "deal more likely, no deal more manageable" is now definitely a Top 3 contender.

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You can't make this stuff up. I'm surprised Foster even agreed to walk in the door, she doesn't do smiling. 

It would have been facinating listening to Redmond preach that by exiting the EU the UK will be forced to grow more vegetables.

 

 

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