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4 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

So - the number of people who agree with your position is the primary factor in determining the correctness of that position?   Sounds like something someone else would say, and many people are saying so.... 

No and no-one said that. It is simply not the subject of this thread and the only reason it is continually raised by Dog is, as usual, to distract & deflect from facts about the current POTUS he cannot actually rebut or refute.

You defending Dog's whataboutism is the kind of thing that undermines your whole "both sides need to change" commentary. This thread is not about Hillary. Neither are dozens of other threads in which Dog brings her up. You'd be critical of red herrings in a subject distracting from what you want to talk about, but once again are ignoring/defending behaviour that attacks the left as acceptable. 

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Was there a campaign finance violation in the payments Cohen made?

Proving it could be problematic. It will involve proving that Trump knew stuff.
 

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Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani's main defense against charging Trump with criminal violations of FECA is that the hush payments "are not campaign contributions," because they were aimed mainly at avoiding personal embarrassment for Trump and his wife rather than, as Cohen says, preventing revelations that would have imperiled his presidential campaign. Giuliani himself has undermined that argument by alluding to the possible political consequences of press interviews with Stormy Daniels in the late stages of the campaign. "Imagine if that came out on October 15, 2016, in the middle of the, you know, last debate with Hillary Clinton," Giuliani said in a Fox News interview last May. "Cohen didn't even ask. Cohen made it go away. He did his job."

That "didn't even ask" part seems highly doubtful. According to Cohen, he kept Trump apprised of both payments. Still, it's likely that Trump had mixed motives, both personal and political, and he could claim, contrary to what Cohen said in his plea agreement last August, that assuring victory in November was not his primary motivation and that in fact the payments would have been made even if he weren't running for president.

That was essentially the defense offered by John Edwards, who was charged with violating FECA by arranging payments to his mistress (and the mother of his daughter) while he was running for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination. Edwards' lawyers argued that the payments were aimed at keeping the affair from his wife, who was dying of cancer. In 2012 a jury found Edwards not guilty on one count and failed to reach verdicts on the other five.

Giuliani claims that case vindicates Trump's defense, which is probably reading too much into a mistrial. But the jurors' failure to reach agreement does suggest that proving election offenses like these, which hinge on the defendant's state of mind, is no easy matter.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

Was there a campaign finance violation in the payments Cohen made?

Proving it could be problematic. It will involve proving that Trump knew stuff.
 

 

Tom, Edwards' case was a year before the election, Trump's was two weeks before.  The two are not comparable.  

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1 hour ago, Cal20sailor said:

Tom, Edwards' case was a year before the election, Trump's was two weeks before.  The two are not comparable.  

Sorta similar, not the same, but the point of my post wasn't in the excerpt. It was in the linked article:

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The relevant offenses in this case would be orchestrating illegal campaign contributions in the form of hush money paid to former Playboy model Karen McDougal and porn star Stephanie Clifford (a.k.a. Stormy Daniels), both of whom claim to have had sexual relationships with Trump. And the most important question in assessing Trump's criminal culpability is whether he understood those payments to be illegal campaign contributions. It is quite plausible that he did not.

Think about trying to prove that bolded part and the mountain of evidence that he misunderstands, well, most any subject.

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1 hour ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Is this the Trump is too stupid and ADHD addled to come up with a criminal conspiracy defense? It might actually work :rolleyes:  

Perhaps, but if he is too stupid/addled to be culpable of a crime he was aware of being taken for him, he's too stupid/addled to be president. He just serves the ability to replace him under the 25th Amendment up on a silver platter... and boy howdy does Trump hate to lose. Lawyers have enough issues trying to keep him from fucking up their legal defence without him having to admit he's mentally incompetent.

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9 hours ago, Dog said:

Equal justice, that's my common standard.

Bullshit

You want equal punishment for unequal actions. 

The fact that Republicans have been the ones falsifying electoral results through purges, vote suppression and fraud shouldn't matter. Democrats should be equally punished.

The fact that Benghazi was investigated ad nauseam means that Hillary should have been burned at the stake, but you gloss over an entire fucking WAR started by Republicans on false pretenses. But it makes for great whataboutism.

The clear evidence that Trump, Inc is a fraudulent business conglomerate designed to rip off students of their tuition, contractors of their invoices, the United States and State governments of their taxes and now shows fairly robust evidence of being part of an illegal emoluments scheme is, in your eyes, completely comparable to how Obama sold books and Hillary and Bill run a non-profit. The fact that years of investigations have cleared the Clintons, Obama's administration didn't have a single scandal but that Trump's Christmas card list includes felons and an interim Atty General whose department was stunned that they were to be led by someone they'd been investigating and fining within the last couple of years doesn't bother you because you are a partisan hack.

Stick to your usual whine & moan. Give us your favorite whataboutism, doggy! Run and find us a "keep your doctor" meme or a "But Obummer promised!" and then have a nice nap. Good doggy. But don't try and tell us "you just want equal treatment."

Someone truly equal to your glorious hairpiece with little hands is probably already in jail. I'm ok with equal treatment with that career criminal for Trump.

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9 hours ago, Dog said:

Equal justice, that's my common standard.

Bullshit

You want equal punishment for unequal actions. 

The fact that Republicans have been the ones falsifying electoral results through purges, vote suppression and fraud shouldn't matter. Democrats should be equally punished.

The fact that Benghazi was investigated ad nauseam means that Hillary should have been burned at the stake, but you gloss over an entire fucking WAR started by Republicans on false pretenses. But it makes for great whataboutism.

The clear evidence that Trump, Inc is a fraudulent business conglomerate designed to rip off students of their tuition, contractors of their invoices, the United States and State governments of their taxes and now shows fairly robust evidence of being part of an illegal emoluments scheme is, in your eyes, completely comparable to how Obama sold books and Hillary and Bill run a non-profit. The fact that years of investigations have cleared the Clintons, Obama's administration didn't have a single scandal but that Trump's Christmas card list includes felons and an interim Atty General whose department was stunned that they were to be led by someone they'd been investigating and fining within the last couple of years doesn't bother you because you are a partisan hack.

Stick to your usual whine & moan. Give us your favorite whataboutism, doggy! Run and find us a "keep your doctor" meme or a "But Obummer promised!" and then have a nice nap. Good doggy. But don't try and tell us "you just want equal treatment."

Someone truly equal to your glorious hairpiece with little hands is probably already in jail. I'm ok with giving Trump the same punishment as any other career criminal.

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2 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

Was there a campaign finance violation in the payments Cohen made?

Proving it could be problematic. It will involve proving that Trump knew stuff.
 

 

Fuck you are dumb fucking troll dogballs

TWO PARTYS ADMITTED IT WAS FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES. 

I'm not sure, nor do I care anymore, whether you are lazy or stupid. You post dumb, debunked shit, because you are an attention seeking asshole.

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16 hours ago, Bent Sailor said:

No and no-one said that. It is simply not the subject of this thread and the only reason it is continually raised by Dog is, as usual, to distract & deflect from facts about the current POTUS he cannot actually rebut or refute.

You defending Dog's whataboutism is the kind of thing that undermines your whole "both sides need to change" commentary. This thread is not about Hillary. Neither are dozens of other threads in which Dog brings her up. You'd be critical of red herrings in a subject distracting from what you want to talk about, but once again are ignoring/defending behaviour that attacks the left as acceptable. 

Nope - you're simply wrong in this point.  Dog has a point - and that point's valid.  The thread isn't about Hillary - but, about prosecution and sentencing of someone who was found guilty of lying to investigators.  In that vein, the comparison to prosecution/sentencing in similar circumstance is indeed valid. 

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We Two people are investigated for similar actions which may gave broken the law. 

One is found, on the basis of evidence discovered through investigations, to be innocent of all charges.

The other has not yet been charged, but numerous accomplices have been charged, prosecuted and sentenced. 

Calling for both to be viewed the same is unAmerican. We are supposed to have faith in our judicial system even when the results are not to our liking. 

Republicans are increasingly stacking courts with political operatives who fail ABA assessments. So I can understand why they think the courts and judicial systems are political... it’s because they are accomplishing exactly that.

Just as with voter fraud Republicans see fraud because they are committing it. Because Republicans are committing crimes, Dems MUST be just as guilty, because both sides are “just as bad.” This is Chessy’s consistent refrain, and he is the right’s most seemingly moderate guy here. 

The fact is, the GOP is violating our country’s political and social norms without parallel from Democrats. White Supremacy is their thing, not ours. Ignoring Obama’s SCOTUS nominee was a breach of the public order. Falsified, gerrymandered and unrepresentative electoral results is their fault, lame duck rewriting of state government rules is their newest policy.

They are successfully chipping away at democracy.

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24 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

We Two people are investigated for similar actions which may gave broken the law. 

One is found, on the basis of evidence discovered through investigations, to be innocent of all charges.

The other has not yet been charged, but numerous accomplices have been charged, prosecuted and sentenced. 

Calling for both to be viewed the same is unAmerican. We are supposed to have faith in our judicial system even when the results are not to our liking. 

Republicans are increasingly stacking courts with political operatives who fail ABA assessments. So I can understand why they think the courts and judicial systems are political... it’s because they are accomplishing exactly that.

 Just as with voter fraud Republicans see fraud because they are committing it. Because Republicans are committing crimes, Dems MUST be just as guilty, because both sides are “just as bad.” This is Chessy’s consistent refrain, and he is the right’s most seemingly moderate guy here. 

The fact is, the GOP is violating our country’s political and social norms without parallel from Democrats. White Supremacy is their thing, not ours. Ignoring Obama’s SCOTUS nominee was a breach of the public order. Falsified, gerrymandered and unrepresentative electoral results is their fault, lame duck rewriting of state government rules is their newest policy.

They are successfully chipping away at democracy.

Your RDS is showing Philly, and not in a good way.   Ya might want to take a look at your blinders - I think that you're missing a side. 

 

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50 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Nope - you're simply wrong in this point.  Dog has a point - and that point's valid.  The thread isn't about Hillary - but, about prosecution and sentencing of someone who was found guilty of lying to investigators.  In that vein, the comparison to prosecution/sentencing in similar circumstance is indeed valid. 

Except that the circumstances aren't really similar

-DSK

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Just now, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Your RDS is showing Philly, and not in a good way.   Ya might want to take a look at your blinders - I think that you're missing a side. 

 

No, he's not

You failed to point out parallel examples when I've asked...... just for one example, in all the vast libby-rull media there must be at least one or two similar / parallel characters as Rush & Hannity..... you can't some up with any, you just get mad.

It's not liberals' fault that you (and every other rightie) get angry, and anger is not justification for R! attempts to stamp out founding American principles.

-DSK

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33 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Your RDS is showing Philly, and not in a good way.   Ya might want to take a look at your blinders - I think that you're missing a side. 

 

He's spot on Chessie.

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21 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

No, he's not

You failed to point out parallel examples when I've asked...... just for one example, in all the vast libby-rull media there must be at least one or two similar / parallel characters as Rush & Hannity..... you can't some up with any, you just get mad.

It's not liberals' fault that you (and every other rightie) get angry, and anger is not justification for R! attempts to stamp out founding American principles.

-DSK

Of course - and just when you were doing so well avoiding conflation and projection.  

"White supremacy is their thing"?   - that's just stupid, Steamers.   Can we characterize the left by the worst fringe behaviors of some who vote D?   

I understand the anger w/many of the actions taken by the elected Rs in recent years. I'm upset with many of the same behaviors that you bemoan. 

I take issue when You, Philly, and many others here try to spray that fire-hose of anger on everyone who's not D, while declaring at the same time that it's unreasonable for those of us who disagree with and are angered by things that the Left is espousing, that the only possible basis for such disagreement is a combination of an intelligence deficit, hate, and willful discrimination.   So - yeah, when the collective you act like that?  I'm gonna push back.  

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1 minute ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Of course - and just when you were doing so well avoiding conflation and projection.  

"White supremacy is their thing"?   - that's just stupid, Steamers.   Can we characterize the left by the worst fringe behaviors of some who vote D?   

I understand the anger w/many of the actions taken by the elected Rs in recent years. I'm upset with many of the same behaviors that you bemoan. 

I take issue when You, Philly, and many others here try to spray that fire-hose of anger on everyone who's not D, while declaring at the same time that it's unreasonable for those of us who disagree with and are angered by things that the Left is espousing, that the only possible basis for such disagreement is a combination of an intelligence deficit, hate, and willful discrimination.   So - yeah, when the collective you act like that?  I'm gonna push back.  

1- the righties and their elk do this all the time.

All

The

Time

2- characterizing everybody who criticizes Team R! as somehow being enthusiastic Team D! is very myopic. Republicans are authoritarians, and like top-down organization. The rest of us are not, and don't. We've discussed this before, you forgetting or are you just enjoying holding that fire hose?

-DSK

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2 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

1- the righties and their elk do this all the time.

All

The

Time

2- characterizing everybody who criticizes Team R! as somehow being enthusiastic Team D! is very myopic. Republicans are authoritarians, and like top-down organization. The rest of us are not, and don't. We've discussed this before, you forgetting or are you just enjoying holding that fire hose?

-DSK

Point 1? yeah - OK.  I think you're replying to the fringe, but, you keep on havin' fun with that.

As to point 2?  Sorry - the comments read much differently than you suggest, especially when the proffered answer to every issue is "Vote D".  

 

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32 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

"White supremacy is their thing"?   - that's just stupid, Steamers.   Can we characterize the left by the worst fringe behaviors of some who vote D?   

It's not behavior on the Republican party fringes anymore, Trump has dragged the fringe into the light and put the fringe front and center to him. Foxnews runs pretty much 24/7 white male anxiety content - sometimes explicitly so like Ann Coulter yesterday morning.

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4 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

White supremacy is their thing"?   - that's just stupid, Steamers.   Can we characterize the left by the worst fringe behaviors of some who vote D?   

I used to give the GOPers a pass on this. I’m beyond it now.

The resistance to bringing the statues down was continued despite a full explanation of the history & purpose of the statues.

The GOP has received years of criticism for ethnically motivated purges of voters, yet continue to use this tool to manipulate  election results.

The GOP uses gerrymandering in ways far outstripping similar efforts by Democrats to assure that minority voters have no say in their representation.

And now, fraudulent absentee ballot handling seems to have handed elections to the GOP, and the party has very little to say other than “ok, we should have a do-over.” No soul-searching, no dramatic speeches by Lindsay G on this issue. 

Theg are just back to reducing enrollment in the ACA (predominantly minorities) and building a wall between us and our brown neighbors.

Every time you observe an issue from a racial perspective, the GOP is on the same side as white supremacists. 

Only a fool or an ostrich couldn’t notice.

Pull your head out of the sand, Chessie. The GOP is trying to fight global warming by ignoring it, and they are preparing their party for our demographic future in the same way. There is a failure of leadership from the top... which is no fucking surprise because he’s a dangerous idiot who hired Steven Miller and Steve Vannon for race policy guidance.

Im sorry, but your party is led by white supremacists. 

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1 hour ago, phillysailor said:

Every time you observe an issue from a racial perspective, the GOP is on the same side as white supremacists. 

Only a fool or an ostrich couldn’t notice.

Every time?

Otis McDonald was a black man and TeamD was on the historically (and currently) racist gungrabby side of that issue.

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Sounds like it's nearly time for them to reintroduce a poll tax.

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On 12/13/2018 at 9:50 AM, Dog said:

It's not crazy, it's intentional. There should be a common standard.

No conviction, no crime! 

  

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14 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Nope - you're simply wrong in this point.  Dog has a point - and that point's valid.  The thread isn't about Hillary - but, about prosecution and sentencing of someone who was found guilty of lying to investigators.  In that vein, the comparison to prosecution/sentencing in similar circumstance is indeed valid. 

Number one, Dog's "point" is to derail any and all criticism about GOP figures into complaining about Democrats. It's all he does here and this isn't the only subject. 

Secondly, these are not "similar circumstances". The fact that you are trying to both defend Dog's whataboutism AND claim that the circumstances around the Hillary investigation  are similar to that around Trump is so mind-boggling stupid, I have to question if you actually understand just how bad your partisan bias is showing here. Perhaps it is left-over HDS you're projecting onto others again.

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5 minutes ago, hermetic said:

cohen plead guilty.  cohen got sentenced.  why isn't cohen in jail, like right now?

Is that a serious question or are you woefully ignorant of the legal process?

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13 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:
19 minutes ago, hermetic said:

cohen plead guilty.  cohen got sentenced.  why isn't cohen in jail, like right now?

Is that a serious question or are you woefully ignorant of the legal process?

I'm seriously interested in why sdny is giving him a 4 month time out.  it's not like there was any question of his guilt - there was no trial.

explain it to me

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3 minutes ago, hermetic said:

I'm seriously interested in why sdny is giving him a 4 month time out.  it's not like there was any question of his guilt - there was no trial.

explain it to me

I thought that odd myself.

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10 minutes ago, Dog said:

I thought that odd myself.

It's very common at least in white collar crimes.  Martha Stewart was found guilty in March and entered prison in July.  

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3 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

It's very common at least in white collar crimes.  Martha Stewart was found guilty in March and entered prison in July.  

martha stewart was found guilty at trial.  totally different circumstances

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Just now, hermetic said:

martha stewart was found guilty at trial.  totally different circumstances

So?  They both left the courtroom guilty, why should the delay between sentencing and incarceration vary?

I assume the delay is to allow them to get their affairs in order.  

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3 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

So?  They both left the courtroom guilty, why should the delay between sentencing and incarceration vary?

I assume the delay is to allow them to get their affairs in order.  

Does your street level dope dealer get 4 months to get his affairs in order before going to prison for 15 years?

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7 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Does your street level dope dealer get 4 months to get his affairs in order before going to prison for 15 years?

I prefaced my earlier comment with 'white collar'.

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4 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

I prefaced my earlier comment with 'white collar'.

A crime's a crime. Idnit?

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4 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

A crime's a crime. Idnit?

I don't think so.  Michigan just legalized Marijuana possession up to 2.5 oz.  They are going through the prison records to identify those that wouldn't be there under the new laws.  

Violent vs Non-Violent crimes is a yuuuugggeee difference in my book.  A kid that sells drugs is much different from a guy who molests children.  

Does Cohen pose a threat to society?  Seriously, the guy enjoyed the high life and got about what he deserved.  

And back to your comment, why does the US have different level security prisons?

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37 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:
40 minutes ago, hermetic said:

martha stewart was found guilty at trial.  totally different circumstances

So?  They both left the courtroom guilty, why should the delay between sentencing and incarceration vary?

I assume the delay is to allow them to get their affairs in order.  

martha stewart walked into the courtroom innocent, cohen walked in guilty.  totally different.

cohen had months between his guilty plea and the inevitable sentence hearing to get his affairs in order.

why isn't he in jail?

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My point was that Cohen etc. are being given time to get their affairs in order, why is that same courtesy not extended to a non-violent street level dealer?

  I'm not talking about shooters, knife wielding psychos, rapists, or child molesters.

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And Martha walked out of the courtroom, like Cohen, with a prison sentence and the lag seems to be about the same.  I'm no legal expert, my point was that the delay in his incarceration is not unprecedented, full stop.  I'm glad he will only get to play a par 3 course.  

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5 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

My point was that Cohen etc. are being given time to get their affairs in order, why is that same courtesy not extended to a non-violent street level dealer?

  I'm not talking about shooters, knife wielding psychos, rapists, or child molesters.

That's a great point and I have no answer.  I think we could flush at least 30%+ of our prisons from non-violent offenders.

 

In retrospect: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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6 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

And Martha walked out of the courtroom, like Cohen, with a prison sentence and the lag seems to be about the same.  I'm no legal expert, my point was that the delay in his incarceration is not unprecedented, full stop.  I'm glad he will only get to play a par 3 course.  

the two circumstances are not in any way comparable.  I'm still waiting for you to explain it

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4 minutes ago, hermetic said:

the two circumstances are not in any way comparable.  I'm still waiting for you to explain it

Write me a draft of what you think the differences are and I will get back to you.  If the cases are so different, why did/are they both go to country club prisons.  

Make sure you footnote all quotes and provide a full set of references.  

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4 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:
8 minutes ago, hermetic said:

the two circumstances are not in any way comparable.  I'm still waiting for you to explain it

Write me a draft of what you think the differences are and I will get back to you.  If the cases are so different, why did/are they both go to country club prisons.  

Make sure you footnote all quotes and provide a full set of references.  

my mistake, I thought you knew what you were talking about when you first replied

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Just now, hermetic said:

my mistake, I thought you knew what you were talking about when you first replied

Chickenshit.  

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5 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:
6 minutes ago, hermetic said:

my mistake, I thought you knew what you were talking about when you first replied

Chickenshit.  

you made the comparison, you explain it

it's not my job to take the hole digging shovel out of your hands

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1 hour ago, hermetic said:

I'm seriously interested in why sdny is giving him a 4 month time out.  it's not like there was any question of his guilt - there was no trial.

explain it to me

Perhaps his presence is needed for their purposes elsewhere, but otherwise it makes no sense to me either. Papadopoulos got put in the click click, as did Vander douche. Cohen pleaded to much worse, got sentenced accordingly and should be in the can if he isn’t assisting the prosecution. 

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20 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:
1 hour ago, hermetic said:

I'm seriously interested in why sdny is giving him a 4 month time out.  it's not like there was any question of his guilt - there was no trial.

explain it to me

Perhaps his presence is needed for their purposes elsewhere, but otherwise it makes no sense to me either. Papadopoulos got put in the click click, as did Vander douche. Cohen pleaded to much worse, got sentenced accordingly and should be in the can if he isn’t assisting the prosecution. 

otisville is about 90 minutes from sdny headquarters - if they want him to spill, stick him in a cell and waive a get out of jail in a year agreement in his face

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8 minutes ago, hermetic said:

otisville is about 90 minutes from sdny headquarters - if they want him to spill, stick him in a cell and waive a get out of jail in a year agreement in his face

He may be needed in a different jurisdiction.  It doesn’t make much sense to me, unless he is being more cooperative than we are being lead to believe. 

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42 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Perhaps his presence is needed for their purposes elsewhere, but otherwise it makes no sense to me either. Papadopoulos got put in the click click, as did Vander douche. Cohen pleaded to much worse, got sentenced accordingly and should be in the can if he isn’t assisting the prosecution. 

So why did Martha get the same three months?  I respect you bigly but you don't do criminal law.  

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1 minute ago, Cal20sailor said:

So why did Martha get the same three months?  I respect you bigly but you don't do criminal law.  

Beats me. I avoid crim law like the plague. 

The Justice system does not apply anything close to equal justice. Martha has enough coin to be a Good American who made a mistake. Cohen will always be a worker bee...a criminal worker bee. They will never be treated equally. 

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30 minutes ago, hermetic said:

otisville is about 90 minutes from sdny headquarters - if they want him to spill, stick him in a cell and waive a get out of jail in a year agreement in his face

it's not rare. are you bullshitting for a point or because, like usual, you need attention?

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15 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

Smart

I have my gig, and if a crim guy tried to do it he’d be committing the same malpractice I’d commit by doing crim. 

I’ve considered doing public defender work once I become a fossil and don’t need to make a living, but that’s a long way away. 

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51 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Beats me. I avoid crim law like the plague. 

 

It is a highly specialized field.  One of my mates since high school was Number 2 on the team that put Michael Skakel away.  Older daughter and her friend took a day off from High School to attend the trial. He was then made Chief States Attorney, when Jack Bailey died, and now in private practice for the other team, the Defense.....  And now he's also the newest member of our local Etchells fleet, small though it is...

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3 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

I assume the delay is to allow them to get their affairs in order.  

People run Mafia families from prison.

These rich fucks can't ensure their bills get paid when they're locked up?

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30 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

People run Mafia families from prison.

These rich fucks can't ensure their bills get paid when they're locked up?

Thank you for using ensure vs insure, it is a lost art!

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I'm Canuckistanian - we talk English as she is goodly spoke.

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He's not even a douche - just low IQ.

douchebag

The term "douchebag" generally refers to a male with a certain combination of obnoxious characteristics related to attitude, social ineptitude, public behavior, or outward presentation.

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2 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:
3 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Perhaps his presence is needed for their purposes elsewhere, but otherwise it makes no sense to me either. Papadopoulos got put in the click click, as did Vander douche. Cohen pleaded to much worse, got sentenced accordingly and should be in the can if he isn’t assisting the prosecution. 

So why did Martha get the same three months?  I respect you bigly but you don't do criminal law.  

a quick and easy search reveales that martha stewart went to jail less than 30 days after she dropped her final appeal.

oops

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On 12/13/2018 at 9:27 PM, dogballs Tom said:

Sorta similar, not the same, but the point of my post wasn't in the excerpt. It was in the linked article:

Think about trying to prove that bolded part and the mountain of evidence that he misunderstands, well, most any subject.

think about Trump being on tape talking about Edwards payments! or, do your usual dissembling back to being a TeamR lackey.

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