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ACWS Cagliari October 2019

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With 2019 now fast approaching I thought to make a Thread about the 1st Event :)

Venue: Cagliari, Sardinia (Italy)

Dates: TBC on or before 31st March 2019

Specific Race Course Area: TBC on or before 31st March 2019

Who is coming?

Emirates Team New Zealand (Defender of the America's Cup)

Luna Rossa Challenge (Challenger of Record)

American Magic (Early Entrant)

INEOS TEAM UK (Early Entrant)

Malta Altus Challenge (Late Entrant/Unconditional Challenge)

Stars & Stripes Team USA (Late Entrant/Unconditional Challenge)

Those are the Teams for now. There could still be some more.

You can also put Maps of the Cagliari Race Village, the Course Area, Spectator Area in here as soon as it's published among other things, etc.

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Approaching, and I can see only 2 boats foiling, lack of stability for the brit but they try everything, very good stability for American Magic but conservative sailing.

IMO, advantage for the brit as far as now.

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18 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Why before 31. March, please?

The ACWS in Cagliari wasn't supposed to be announced on November 29th like it was. Per Protocol they have to announce the two Events for 2019 "on" or "before" 31st March 2019.

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3 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

The ACWS in Cagliari wasn't supposed to be announced on November 29th like it was. Per Protocol they have to announce the two Events for 2019 "on" or "before" 31st March 2019.

Is November 29th 2018 not before 31 March 2019? Last I checked, 2018 came before 2019.

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7 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

The ACWS in Cagliari wasn't supposed to be announced on November 29th like it was. Per Protocol they have to announce the two Events for 2019 "on" or "before" 31st March 2019.

Oh, above it read as if the event has to take place before March 31, 2019. If you mean the announcement, fine, whatever...

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2.1. COR shall organise and conduct the preliminary regattas, which are comprised of:
a) possibly an initial one or two events during the second half of 2019 counting towards the America’s Cup World Series regattas (“ACWS”) at venues determined by COR/D and announced on or before 31 March 2019;
b) the ACWS regattas in 2020, which shall comprise three events to take place at venues determined by COR/D announced on or before 30 November 2019;

 

I don't know how they could conduct preliminary regattas within 6 months with only 2 small boats sailing now, but it's coming anyways as ACWS are for 2020.

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12 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

 

2.1. COR shall organise and conduct the preliminary regattas, which are comprised of:
a) possibly an initial one or two events during the second half of 2019 counting towards the America’s Cup World Series regattas (“ACWS”) at venues determined by COR/D and announced on or before 31 March 2019;
b) the ACWS regattas in 2020, which shall comprise three events to take place at venues determined by COR/D announced on or before 30 November 2019;

 

I don't know how they could conduct preliminary regattas within 6 months with only 2 small boats sailing now, but it's coming anyways as ACWS are for 2020.

Thanks, I could have looked myself, no? :wub:
So, "second half of 2019" is obviously not "until March 31".

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22 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

 

2.1. COR shall organise and conduct the preliminary regattas, which are comprised of:
a) possibly an initial one or two events during the second half of 2019 counting towards the America’s Cup World Series regattas (“ACWS”) at venues determined by COR/D and announced on or before 31 March 2019;
b) the ACWS regattas in 2020, which shall comprise three events to take place at venues determined by COR/D announced on or before 30 November 2019;

 

I don't know how they could conduct preliminary regattas within 6 months with only 2 small boats sailing now, but it's coming anyways as ACWS are for 2020.

Why do you say that? The AC 75's will/can be launched on 31st March 2019 or if they delay the launch it will be 30th June 2019. Plenty of time to get them ready to sail in October.

This is per Protocol:

March 31, 2019: 

  • Boat 1 can be launched
  • Deadline for COR to announce venues (and dates?) of 2019 ACWS Regattas

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So, this Event is now like I said previously in another Thread officially CANCELLED.

The last time there was any America's Cup related Race was on 27th June 2017 when Emirates Team New Zealand went on to win the 35th Cup. Since then "NADA, NOPE".

Should there be a Race in Cagliari on or before 27th of March 2020 it would be 1004 Days without AC related Racing = unheard off.

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Well, we'll always have the Circus....

Lol  #sad 

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ETNZ can raise some $$$ from the late three in entry fees and selling design package. But they cannot be ready in 2019. So sod what it says in the protocol. 

Now where are all the exclamations of moral outrage we heard when Oracle played fast and loose with the protocol?

 

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And..... it was the COR that caused the delays if you feel the need to point.

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7 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

So, this Event is now like I said previously in another Thread officially CANCELLED.

The last time there was any America's Cup related Race was on 27th June 2017 when Emirates Team New Zealand went on to win the 35th Cup. Since then "NADA, NOPE".

Should there be a Race in Cagliari on or before 27th of March 2020 it would be 1004 Days without AC related Racing = unheard off.

When Team NZ won the AC in 95, we didn't see any "AC related stuff" for 5 years! Just fucking wait! The Cagliari event was never set in stone, and we get 2 extra events in 2020, so whats the issue? Id rather have an exciting event done right than a half baked event rushed like SailGP was! 

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6 hours ago, dogwatch said:

ETNZ can raise some $$$ from the late three in entry fees and selling design package. But they cannot be ready in 2019. So sod what it says in the protocol. 

Now where are all the exclamations of moral outrage we heard when Oracle played fast and loose with the protocol?

 

How many classes of boat did we go through last time? How many CoR's did we go through? What happened last time when the Arbitration panel was called upon to make a decision? Oh that's right, there was a commissioner who was forced to resign, a financial compensation made, and a gagging order enforced. So lets just calm down with the moral outrage stuff huh?

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On ‎3‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 9:52 PM, Forourselves said:

When Team NZ won the AC in 95, we didn't see any "AC related stuff" for 5 years! Just fucking wait! The Cagliari event was never set in stone, and we get 2 extra events in 2020, so whats the issue? Id rather have an exciting event done right than a half baked event rushed like SailGP was! 

We get one extra Event and not two. Instead of three ACWS Events in 2020 as originally planned there will now instead be four of them presumably Cagliari, Scheveningen, Newport or Long Beach and Auckland. There will be no Event in Asia. That was/is just a HOAX.

Forcing the Teams to come to Auckland earlier than they want is not good. I think AmericanMagic & INEOS would rather be last to arrive in AUCK in 2020 but because P$B and his cohorts mandated every Team to race the ACWS to qualify for their Clown PRADA CUP they have no choice to go to Auckland early.

In 2017 the Team that arrived last in BDA won the damn thing.

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On 3/20/2019 at 10:38 PM, dg_sailingfan said:

We get one extra Event and not two. Instead of three ACWS Events in 2020 as originally planned there will now instead be four of them presumably Cagliari, Scheveningen, Newport or Long Beach and Auckland. There will be no Event in Asia. That was/is just a HOAX.

Forcing the Teams to come to Auckland earlier than they want is not good. I think AmericanMagic & INEOS would rather be last to arrive in AUCK in 2020 but because P$B and his cohorts mandated every Team to race the ACWS to qualify for their Clown PRADA CUP they have no choice to go to Auckland early.

In 2017 the Team that arrived last in BDA won the damn thing.

No one is forcing the teams to do anything.

If anything Teams will get more time at the race venue with their race boats. Team bases are scheduled to be completed in 2020 so they will also have an operational team base. It will be coming into summertime in New Zealand, and will also lead straight into the Christmas race as well! That means they get time at the race venue, on the race courses, in their race boats. There is really no issue, other than the fake one you've made up.

They didn't win because they arrived last. They won because they were simply better.  

 

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12 hours ago, Forourselves said:

No one is forcing the teams to do anything.

If anything Teams will get more time at the race venue with their race boats. Team bases are scheduled to be completed in 2020 so they will also have an operational team base. It will be coming into summertime in New Zealand, and will also lead straight into the Christmas race as well! That means they get time at the race venue, on the race courses, in their race boats. There is really no issue, other than the fake one you've made up.

They didn't win because they arrived last. They won because they were simply better.  

 

Yes, they do. Luna Rossa & Emirates Team New Zealand are forcing the other Challengers to come to Auckland earlier then they want because of the new ACWS Event in Auckland in October or November 2020 and the ACWS mandated to be raced.

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13 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

Yes, they do. Luna Rossa & Emirates Team New Zealand are forcing the other Challengers to come to Auckland earlier then they want because of the new ACWS Event in Auckland in October or November 2020 and the ACWS mandated to be raced.

Maybe ETNZ should just hand the cup over instead of forcing them to compete for it too... smh

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2 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Maybe ETNZ should just hand the cup over instead of forcing them to compete for it too... smh

No, but mandating to race the ACWS is crap. Actually I think the entire ACWS should be cancelled.

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2 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

No, but mandating to race the ACWS is crap. Actually I think the entire ACWS should be cancelled.

It was mandated last time as well. Its part of the event. Get over it.

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Just now, Forourselves said:

It was mandated last time as well. 

But it wasn't mandated during 2011/2012 in the run up to AC 34 when we had an entire new Boat Class as well.

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5 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

But it wasn't mandated during 2011/2012 in the run up to AC 34 when we had an entire new Boat Class as well.

Who cares. So what you're saying is, you either want it somewhere else other than Auckland, or if it has to be in Auckland it should be cancelled? Even though the teams will go to Auckland a month after that scheduled ACWS event anyway? Or maybe the Christmas race should be cancelled too? Maybe cancel the Challenger series, and the Americas Cup too, after all, we don't want to be forcing teams to come to Auckland. What a stupid thing to say.

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

Who cares. So what you're saying is, you either want it somewhere else other than Auckland, or if it has to be in Auckland it should be cancelled? Even though the teams will go to Auckland a month after that scheduled ACWS event anyway? Or maybe the Christmas race should be cancelled too? Maybe cancel the Challenger series, and the Americas Cup too, after all, we don't want to be forcing teams to come to Auckland. What a stupid thing to say.

All I am saying is that the ACWS shouldn't be mandated when there is an entire new Boat Class. Oracle did well in 2011/12 by providing a circuit where the Teams could race and then let them make their own Decision if to continue and challenge for the AC or not.

Mandating the ACWS when you have an entire new Class was ill-advised. MALTA is already out and Dutchsail will follow next year as they won't have a Race Boat ready for March/April 2020.

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