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9 minutes ago, SCARECROW said:

Renault :o

Yeah, their almost simultaneous panes where kinda weird.

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14 minutes ago, Trovão said:

Yeah, their almost simultaneous panes where kinda weird.

trying to avoid spoilers.......

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1 minute ago, SCARECROW said:

trying to avoid spoilers.......

Oooops, sorry! My bad. Won't happen again.

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1 hour ago, SCARECROW said:

trying to avoid spoilers.......

I can't look at this thread until after I've watched the race, nor look at Jalopnik.

I felt bad for Leclerc, he had that race in the bag and deserved to win it.

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9 hours ago, WCB said:

I can't look at this thread until after I've watched the race, nor look at Jalopnik.

I felt bad for Leclerc, he had that race in the bag and deserved to win it.

+1! 

 

That was a great race, unless you are leclerc. Ham and merc lucked in that 1 -2. And seb still can't keep his car pointed in the right direction! I think they should have kept kimi and dropped seb.

 

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How is everyone watching the races if you don't have a pay tv service? I almost bought the annual f1 tv pro pass but I'm still mad they don't have apps for streaming devices (i.e. roku). It is called f1 TV not f1 browser. :(

I signed up for sling tv's blue package for $15/month for the first 3 months and used it for the first time for yesterday's race. Sling give you access to espn's roku app which is what I actually watched the race on. So far it has worked well except you can't pause live events. It was a lot better than trying to find it on youtube. :D

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1 hour ago, derelicte said:

How is everyone watching the races if you don't have a pay tv service? I almost bought the annual f1 tv pro pass but I'm still mad they don't have apps for streaming devices (i.e. roku). It is called f1 TV not f1 browser. :(

I signed up for sling tv's blue package for $15/month for the first 3 months and used it for the first time for yesterday's race. Sling give you access to espn's roku app which is what I actually watched the race on. So far it has worked well except you can't pause live events. It was a lot better than trying to find it on youtube. :D

That's some good info. We have Roku now but haven't signed up for Sling yet. I watch F1 on Directv still but we need to commit to the switch

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I DVR the races on ESPN and watch them when it's convenient since live often occurs when I'm asleep.  I have F-1TV but will likely cancel it when the current subscription expires.  too much buffering on live quali or race broadcasts and I only use it when I'm travelling or to watch Quali when ESPN puts that on their West coast feed that would cost me an additional $15/month.  Liberty hasn't yet caught on to what it takes to be a "real" media company.  

Real disappointment to see LeClerc have his problem yesterday.  I admit to hoping the SC would last to the end to keep him on the podium.  Seb is starting to look like he can win in the best car but can't fight for position very well.  

 

 

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The races are all available for free on both mobile and desktop in qualities from 360 to 1080.  It is not legal to reproduce or copy or record streamed races in most places, but there are no laws that prevent you from watching them.  This is not legal advice.

It is very simple to click and watch, but you should have the kind of protections in place that you would be if you were surfing porn.  in other words, if you're an internet dummy, don't do it or some nigerian prince will own your house.

 

here's where you do your research: https://www.reddit.com/r/motorsportsstreams/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, WCB said:

That's some good info. We have Roku now but haven't signed up for Sling yet. I watch F1 on Directv still but we need to commit to the switch

 

ESPN2 on Comcast here.  DVR and watch when convenient...

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On 4/1/2019 at 8:53 AM, derelicte said:

How is everyone watching the races if you don't have a pay tv service?

 

i don't have a dvr, and sometimes i'll be awake for q1-3  but for races  even though I have cable,  I'll end up on youtube watching it the following day...  not ideal,  but  it works..

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3 hours ago, Marcjsmith said:

i don't have a dvr, and sometimes i'll be awake for q1-3  but for races  even though I have cable,  I'll end up on youtube watching it the following day...  not ideal,  but  it works..

Channel 4 still have highlights which covers pretty much all the action...

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On 4/1/2019 at 10:54 AM, Innocent Bystander said:

I DVR the races on ESPN and watch them when it's convenient since live often occurs when I'm asleep.  I have F-1TV but will likely cancel it when the current subscription expires.  too much buffering on live quali or race broadcasts and I only use it when I'm travelling or to watch Quali when ESPN puts that on their West coast feed that would cost me an additional $15/month.  Liberty hasn't yet caught on to what it takes to be a "real" media company.  

 

So they still have problems with the live broadcasts? ridiculous!

 

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19 hours ago, Raptorsailor said:

Channel 4 still have highlights which covers pretty much all the action...

If you have a basic TV cable package in the UK? its free on Sky 1 live to watch.

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On 4/1/2019 at 11:14 AM, MR.CLEAN said:

The races are all available for free on both mobile and desktop in qualities from 360 to 1080.  It is not legal to reproduce or copy or record streamed races in most places, but there are no laws that prevent you from watching them.  This is not legal advice.

It is very simple to click and watch, but you should have the kind of protections in place that you would be if you were surfing porn.  in other words, if you're an internet dummy, don't do it or some nigerian prince will own your house.

 

here's where you do your research: https://www.reddit.com/r/motorsportsstreams/

 

can you watch those streams on a tv through a roku? I don't have a problem paying somebody to watch the races, but it has to be easily watched on my tvs.

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56 minutes ago, derelicte said:

can you watch those streams on a tv through a roku? I don't have a problem paying somebody to watch the races, but it has to be easily watched on my tvs.

If you can mirror your computer to your TV (Apple TV, Microsoft wireless, etc) you can send F1TV or any other stream to your computer fairly easily.  I have a now "old school" setup with  a DVR, DVD player, ROKU, and wireless dongle all HDMI hookups to a Denon surround receiver feeding a HD Samsung that is used as a monitor only.  I'm outside of HDTV over the air coverage and surrounded by 120' trees that block satellite signals so stuck with a cable for now but this setup gets me streaming through ROKU, pay cable and computer streaming pretty painlessly.  I normally DVR ESPN (SKY) coverage and send from the computer when ESPN pushes quali to a channel I don't subscribe to (ESPNW HD). 

I need a millennial to help me cut the cable and get all that I want from my ROKU or my computer as monopoly cable provider here is killing me on cost but we can use one remote and a Surface Pro to see everything we might want.  .  

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9 hours ago, derelicte said:

So they still have problems with the live broadcasts? ridiculous!

 

No Issues with F1 tv here watched both races and quali sessions so far no issues. I used to use Channel 4 with a VPN  and the free streams but they got to buggy for me so I ponied up for F1 TV. Works a treat where ever I am

 

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I have to laugh at Verstappen, something I'll do at any opportunity. He spent so much time whining about Vettel passing him on the prep for the last qualifying lap that he not only missed out with the lights turning red but he stuffed his teammate for the same.  Clearly the pits should have told him to get a move on but he completely vettel'd it by spending more time whining than driving.

 

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Yep.  Perfectly OK for Max to back up the cars behind him to deny them a fast lap but not OK to pass him when he is doing it.

poor mistreated child. 

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Kyvat! Crashing both McLarens on what, turn 4?  He's baaaaack.....

Boring race otherwise.

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33 minutes ago, WCB said:

Kyvat! Crashing both McLarens on what, turn 4?  He's baaaaack.....

Boring race otherwise.

It was always going to be boring when top 10 qualified in pairs with their team mates.

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Watching Ferrari take away two position from Leclerc was not fun.  

Last year team decisions hurt them when they were faster.  This year it just moves them down the pack.

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another easy one for merc. the gaps between the teams was pretty astonishing: .5 between merc and ferraria and .5 between ferrari and rb. leclerc got screwed again. poor kid. ferrari needs has to get better on strategy otherwise the wcc is already over. :(

 

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37 minutes ago, derelicte said:

one more thing, merc's double stacked pitstop was excellent! they nailed that.

 

They absolutely nailed it.  Lewis' stop was slow by Merc standards at 3.1 so I was afraid they had screwed it up but they just made it and delivered a 3.0 for VB. 

And Ferrari strategy.  What in the hell do they want LeClerc to do?  

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13 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said:

boring race. 

This, 

how many more years until it starts to be interesting to watch again? 

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On 4/15/2019 at 7:53 AM, derelicte said:

not win, apparently. :(

although I find him annoying to listen to, will buxton nailed it with his tweet:

 

He's a fast talker but I'm a Will Buxton fan.  He knows F1 backwards and forwards and has some great insight.

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to be fair, both china and oz were solid, fun races.  This one sure wasn't.

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imho, if ferrari insists on favouring vettel over leclerc they can give mercedes the constructors' title right away.

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46 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

to be fair, both china and oz were solid, fun races.  This one sure wasn't.

you feeling ok, brother? this WAS china... ;)

but you're point is well taken... when merc's double stack was THE highlight, the race itself couldn't have been too exciting...

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What do all say you on rooting for Hulkenberg to finish ahead of Ricciardo in the WDC standings this season?

The Hulk has always been rated high, as a journeyman.  This could be his last chance to move up if he can stick it to Ricciardo all season long.

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5 hours ago, Dilligaf0220 said:

What do all say you on rooting for Hulkenberg to finish ahead of Ricciardo in the WDC standings this season?

The Hulk has always been rated high, as a journeyman.  This could be his last chance to move up if he can stick it to Ricciardo all season long.

I like Ricciardo but I have a hard time not rooting for the guy with the flo yellow wing on top of the car on each team. Something about rooting for the underdog.

Except for Kvyat...I think he has the yellow wing.

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On 4/17/2019 at 10:23 AM, mad said:

This, 

how many more years until it starts to be interesting to watch again? 

If you watched Bahrain and didn’t see a great F1 race you probably don’t have a pulse...or you should go watch something else...

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On 4/17/2019 at 10:36 AM, MR.CLEAN said:

to be fair, both china and oz were solid, fun races.  This one sure wasn't.

I don’t know what you watched this year,  but I saw a good race in Oz, a great race in Bahrain and an interesting race in China that didn’t live up to its billing..

maybe you should write this shit down in your notebook like Ted and Joe...

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On 4/17/2019 at 12:25 PM, suider said:

you feeling ok, brother? this WAS china... ;)

but you're point is well taken... when merc's double stack was THE highlight, the race itself couldn't have been too exciting...

Sorry I meant bahrain.

 

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after watching the latest formula e race this weekend I've come to the conclusion that formula e appears to be amateur hour. everything thing from the drivers, the race officials, race course, track crew and the announcers. Every race this year has been red flagged due to bush league driving. I don't know if it is the way the courses are designed (extremely tight), the drivers or both, but a lot of the passes are basically drivers barging in to the tight corners and pushing the car along side into the wall. not all, but that seems to be the way to pass in formula e. this inevitably leads to a red flagged race with the race officials scratching their heads for 10+ minutes to figure out the order. it really detracts from the event. :(

when the drivers are actually racing it can be pretty exciting as the cars are all pretty much equal. there has been a different winner in all 6 races thus far.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, derelicte said:

after watching the latest formula e race this weekend I've come to the conclusion that formula e appears to be amateur hour. everything thing from the drivers, the race officials, race course, track crew and the announcers. Every race this year has been red flagged due to bush league driving. I don't know if it is the way the courses are designed (extremely tight), the drivers or both, but a lot of the passes are basically drivers barging in to the tight corners and pushing the car along side into the wall. not all, but that seems to be the way to pass in formula e. this inevitably leads to a red flagged race with the race officials scratching their heads for 10+ minutes to figure out the order. it really detracts from the event. :(

when the drivers are actually racing it can be pretty exciting as the cars are all pretty much equal. there has been a different winner in all 6 races thus far.

 

 

All good points.  I think because the cars are virtually identical with Spec components and no tire choice, passing opportunities are all into or leaving corners so dive bombing is necessary. With no necessary pit stops, losing a place can be permanent.   Add in very tight street courses and carnage ensues. Minor incidents block the course, requiring the red flag.  With low budget operations, incident response is poor at best.  As you say, good racing when they are running but too often they are not running.  

I think are "range" continues to improve, they are going to have to improve course layout and do something to create passing opportunities.  Right now, it's a sprint from start to finish and to back off in a corner is often unrecoverable.  

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Baku FP1 stopped then abandoned after Williams (Russell) ran over a manhole cover lifted up by LeClerc. Floor destroyed and chassis badly damaged. Apparently another 10-15mm and it would have gone through the seat. Insult to injury, the low loader hit a pedestrian bridge on the way back to the garage and dumped hydraulic fluid all over the car. Williams filing against F-1 for damages from the failure to provide a safe track. Apparently there is precedent for this.

Race director saying the latch failed. Charlie Whiting is rolling over in the grave  

 

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Silly error from Leclerc after silly error from Kubica.  Fuck this quali is dragging

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On 4/18/2019 at 12:09 AM, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

The Stroller still sucks ass.

Y'know I have been defending the kid, not his fault his daddy is a billionaire, he does actually have skills.

But this season Stroll has become a younger Raikkonen.  Once you reach the top of the mountain he doesn't realize he needs to perform to stay there in F1.

Cudos on Perez, he drove the hell out of that car when he could in the crazy circus that is Baku.

6 hours ago, Innocent Bystander said:

Baku FP1 stopped then abandoned after Williams (Russell) ran over a manhole cover lifted up by LeClerc. Floor destroyed and chassis badly damaged. Apparently another 10-15mm and it would have gone through the seat. Insult to injury, the low loader hit a pedestrian bridge on the way back to the garage and dumped hydraulic fluid all over the car. Williams filing against F-1 for damages from the failure to provide a safe track. Apparently there is precedent for this.

Race director saying the latch failed. Charlie Whiting is rolling over in the grave  

 

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Actually ripped a hole in his drivers suit.  A manhole cover at 280km/hr shooting through the floor of his car ripped a hole by his knee.  Think about that for a sec.

And to add insult to injury, the recovery flatbed didn't just hit a bridge with the elbow of the crane, the hydraulic lines were torn and dumped a couple of gallons of fluid almost straight into the cockpit.  The F1 Gods have seen Williams balance sheet, and definitely enjoy kicking a deadhorse.  Over & over & over & over again.

Going to be a long season for Claire.

 

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6 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Silly error from Leclerc after silly error from Kubica.  Fuck this quali is dragging

Manhole covers flying, gaslit missing the weigh bridge, the lift truck hitting a bridge, how many teams hitting walls.  

Man hole is easy fix,  weld it back down.  Shame it took out a car.

Hope the race tomorrow isn’t plagued by red flags. 

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8 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Silly error from Leclerc after silly error from Kubica.  Fuck this quali is dragging

I think the team is as much to blame as the kid, they send the cars out on the mediums in Q2 to try and further thier advantage, at a track that is all about rhythm when he had been fastest on the softs. He locks the fronts but the car turns in so he bets on getting round the corner instead of running down the slip road and loses the bet.

yea quallie ran long, makes it hard to concentrate eh...maybe take notes in your notebook...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, ro! said:

maybe take notes in your notebook...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol. Was trying to get finished before i had to do this

 

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3 hours ago, Marcjsmith said:

Manhole covers flying, gaslit missing the weigh bridge, the lift truck hitting a bridge, how many teams hitting walls.  

Man hole is easy fix,  weld it back down.  Shame it took out a car.

Hope the race tomorrow isn’t plagued by red flags. 

Not all manholes can be welded shut, for years now the FIA has allowed some covers to be equipped with latches.  Apparently during one of the last checks one half of the latch was left...unlatched.

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Following an investigation into the cause of the incident, the FIA has determined that a "break on an underside mounting" led to the drain coming loose.

Russell's drain strike caused considerable damage to the car and the session had to be abandoned while the FIA carried out checks on all 360 of the over drain covers around the circuit.

 

https://ca.motorsport.com/f1/news/azerbaijan-drain-cover-broken-mounting/4376258/

Williams actually have precedent to seek compensation from the circuit syndicates insurance providers.  Haas had the exact same situation last season.

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The Haas Formula 1 team has finally settled the "strange" insurance claim it pursued following Romain Grosjean’s bizarre crash in practice for last year’s Malaysian Grand Prix.

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another easy 1-2 for merc. at least ham some competition so it isn't a run away. too bad he isn't fighting with a red car, though. :(

 

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All the excitement was in FP and Quali.  Race was pretty much a non event.  Ferrari screwed LeClerc by leaving him struggling on old tires to protect Vettel but that's nothing new.  

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as i said on post #134...

 

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This season is pretty much looking like a repeat of last year.

1. Ferrari not being able to get out of their own way.

2. Red bull have a new engine but are still reliant on the top two teams fucking up to get on the podium

Other teams battling for best of the rest.

Only real interest looks like being who blinks first, Hamilton or Bottas, which may leave us a question later in the year if Bottas gaps Hamilton point wise will Merc support him to the championship like they have Hamilton in the past.

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1 hour ago, SCARECROW said:

This season is pretty much looking like a repeat of last year.

1. Ferrari not being able to get out of their own way.

2. Red bull have a new engine but are still reliant on the top two teams fucking up to get on the podium

Other teams battling for best of the rest.

Only real interest looks like being who blinks first, Hamilton or Bottas, which may leave us a question later in the year if Bottas gaps Hamilton point wise will Merc support him to the championship like they have Hamilton in the past.

I was stoked to see Mclaren with a 7 & 8. They're still not fast but hey, they got some good points out of it.

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8 hours ago, Trovão said:

as i said on post #134...

 

I am stupid, I am stupid, I switch off everything.

And any thoughts of a Leclerc championship run disappeared.

 

Between Vettel not being able to unfuck himself, and Lewis's haircut.

I am starting to pull for F1's smiling Finn.  Partly to see Lewis lose ANOTHER Championship to a team mate, and partly because seeing a smiling Finn is always slightly disconcerting for me.

Bottas ain't no wingman this season.

Bottas for the WDC!

 

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On 3/12/2019 at 12:50 PM, suider said:

Well, we are almost there, so I have to throw my hat in the ring for Bottas taking the championship... he's pissed after last year and I've been a fan of his since the Williams days... and I definitely don't think he is as weak as a driver as he showed last year. After the first couple races with no team orders I think he's level or ahead of LH and I still think Merc can develop faster than the other teams, even if they didn't look AS strong in testing.

I mean, it's no fun always expecting the favorites to win, right?

 

5 hours ago, Dilligaf0220 said:

Between Vettel not being able to unfuck himself, and Lewis's haircut.

I am starting to pull for F1's smiling Finn.  Partly to see Lewis lose ANOTHER Championship to a team mate, and partly because seeing a smiling Finn is always slightly disconcerting for me.

Bottas ain't no wingman this season.

Bottas for the WDC!

 

Welcome to the dark side!! 

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No worries. it'll be better next year. Said the boy in the red driving suit.

 

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On 4/30/2019 at 12:19 AM, Dilligaf0220 said:

I am stupid, I am stupid, I switch off everything.

And any thoughts of a Leclerc championship run disappeared.

 

Between Vettel not being able to unfuck himself, and Lewis's haircut.

I am starting to pull for F1's smiling Finn.  Partly to see Lewis lose ANOTHER Championship to a team mate, and partly because seeing a smiling Finn is always slightly disconcerting for me.

Bottas ain't no wingman this season.

Bottas for the WDC!

 

 

Bottas is a class act, indeed!! It was funny to see him winging a couple years back when Danny R. offered him a Shoey!!

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On 4/30/2019 at 6:15 AM, suider said:

 

Welcome to the dark side!! 

+1

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Think of it this way we could be watching an historic season.

The Dolphins are getting nervous.

Still Yawn. 

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The E-Prix from Monaco was awesome. Tight from start to finish and batteries were almost drained at the end. 0 to 1% left.

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On 5/12/2019 at 2:50 PM, captnjoe said:

Think of it this way we could be watching an historic season.

The Dolphins are getting nervous.

Still Yawn. 

 

Yeah that was a pretty boring race yesterday.  I would up fast forwarding from the halfway point and not much of any subsequence changed.

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Lewis Hamilton's team flies F1 car out to ill 'spirit angel' boy

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A Formula One car was sent to the home of a five-year-old boy with a rare form of terminal cancer after he inspired Lewis Hamilton's victory in the Spanish Grand Prix.

Harry Shaw, from Redhill, Surrey, sent Hamilton a good luck message on Instagram from his hospital bed.

The youngster has since moved back to his home for his final days.

Hamilton described Harry as his "spirit angel" as he dedicated his victory to him on Sunday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-48258777

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19 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

Yeah that was a pretty boring race yesterday.  I would up fast forwarding from the halfway point and not much of any subsequence changed.

Sailing is, almost, more exciting.

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I see McLaren is still being McLaren. 

 Alonso fails to make the last row for this year's edition of the Indianapolis 500. Although who knew 227.325 mph wouldn't get you into the show. 

  Hope to see the Spaniard back. 

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Qualifying:   I think Ferrari has already conceded 2019, they have got to stay away from their stupid pills.

Maybe they are considering Indy for next year, its easier right?

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Vettel seems very out of sorts this year. Can't stand the pace of the kid? Mysterious engine issues and bad decisions seem to be affecting the kid but Vettel still screwing the pooch. Were the 4 WDC's really all about Newey's car? Conspiracy theorists might start making more forceful arguments.

How shaky is the ground Binotto's on now?

Looks like the front wing aero concept that Alpha and Ferrari were heralding at the start of the year is not panning out. How long before a re-think and redesign or do they right it off as CJ suggests above?

Hamilton's interview with Will Buxton on F1 TV shows how emotional he is over the loss of Nikki Lauda.

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Ha +1

For a procession it was the tensest I have seen for a while. Cudo's to Max for only going slightly postal after being stuck behind Lewis for so long.

Masterful drive from Lewis to stretch the mediums to 62 laps. (despite the frequent whinging on the radio).

Good to see all the red caps saluting Nikki

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Monaco is one of my favorite races, love the street track. :)

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3 hours ago, vibroman said:

Ha +1

For a procession it was the tensest I have seen for a while. Cudo's to Max for only going slightly postal after being stuck behind Lewis for so long.

Masterful drive from Lewis to stretch the mediums to 62 laps. (despite the frequent whinging on the radio).

Good to see all the red caps saluting Nikki

Yeah, the whining was a bit off. Seems if things aren’t perfect, he starts having severe anxiety. Any fool could see that stopping meant 5th or maybe 4th at best because the next 4 cars had tires to the end. And Max, Seb and Valteri were not going to let him past. Should he have gone on mediums during the first stop or right to hard. Can make the case that Merc made a mistake going to mediums, but once the stop was done, the bones were cast and he was going to win on. It on that set. 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Innocent Bystander said:

Yeah, the whining was a bit off. Seems if things aren’t perfect, he starts having severe anxiety.

 

Kind of reminds me of Danica Patrick in her Indy and nascar days.  When something wasn’t just right, she screamed more the than a spun axle bearing.   Glad Lewis stuck with it and finished the race.   Bummed about the 5 second penalty for an unsafe release for vettle. Seemed like a light penalty given valteri had to pit for a low tire pressure warning after the contact....

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7 hours ago, Keith said:

Monaco is one of my favorite races, love the street track. :)

If I were going to pick one to attend, Monaco is it!

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6 hours ago, Marcjsmith said:

Kind of reminds me of Danica Patrick in her Indy and nascar days.  When something wasn’t just right, she screamed more the than a spun axle bearing.   Glad Lewis stuck with it and finished the race.   Bummed about the 5 second penalty for an unsafe release for vettle. Seemed like a light penalty given valteri had to pit for a low tire pressure warning after the contact....

That was Verstappen.

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On 5/27/2019 at 3:36 AM, dash34 said:

That was Verstappen.

well i was close... there was a V  two E's  and T in the name.  Close enough for govt work...  :)

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On 5/27/2019 at 12:37 AM, animeproblem said:

If I were going to pick one to attend, Monaco is it!

Absolutely !! I went to the Monaco gp a few years ago and it was amazing. The entire atmosphere of the city during that week is indescribable. Super models and supercars everywhere. The sights, sounds and smells are unforgettable. Race day in monaco was one of the highlights of my life, maybe best day ever. I had my wife and daughter with me . Even though they aren't big race fans, we get up early and watch the race every year.    

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Might be the last race I watch..........

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1 hour ago, Innocent Bystander said:

So much for “let them race”. BS call IMHO.  

Cant blame Seb for his behavior. 

#1, and I am a Hamilton fan who thinks that Seb is all-too-often a whiny bitch.  He was entitled to it today.  That was robbery. 

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

#1, and I am a Hamilton fan who thinks that Seb is all-too-often a whiny bitch.  He was entitled to it today.  That was robbery. 

That is damn funny. Hamilton is the prima donna of F1.

If is hair is not right he is ...............I can't think of the words.

Professional Sports.................They are all over paid and under played and it costs me too much to watch or go to an event.

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Vettel cracks under pressure again. 

The call was right by the letter of the law, but it all would have been avoided if Vettel had don the sporting thing and let Lewis by after running off the track. Not right to cut corners after you screw the pooch and end up with an advantage afterwards.

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+1 on above....

overshadowed the rest of the race, and it was good to see Renault’s improvement.. 

Currently in the UK and we had the extreme good fortune to have a personal tour of the Renault teams HQ in Enstone. Amazing establishment and you don’t fully appreciate how leading edge all of this is. They had some minor upgrades in this race which no doubt improved their performance.

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If Hamilton had any class he would have pulled his car into the #2 spot so Seb wouldn't have had to switch the placards.  I'm not a Vettel fan or a Hamilton fan but Seb deserved to win this one based on his driving.  He didn't intentionally block Hamilton on re-entering the track, he was just trying to stop the oversteer to prevent the car from hitting the wall.  Still, it probably met the test of an unsafe re-entry, and Hamilton would have passed him if he had been given more room so I guess the stewards made the right call.  

I just read that Ferrari are appealing the decision - this will be interesting.

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29 minutes ago, dash34 said:

If Hamilton had any class he would have pulled his car into the #2 spot so Seb wouldn't have had to switch the placards.  I'm not a Vettel fan or a Hamilton fan but Seb deserved to win this one based on his driving.  He didn't intentionally block Hamilton on re-entering the track, he was just trying to stop the oversteer to prevent the car from hitting the wall.  Still, it probably met the test of an unsafe re-entry, and Hamilton would have passed him if he had been given more room so I guess the stewards made the right call.  

I just read that Ferrari are appealing the decision - this will be interesting.

Blows my mind that you can accuse Hamilton of having no class after watching what unfolded. 

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It sucks for Seb but it does not make sense to allow drivers to go off track to avoid an overtake and get rewarded.  

Seb had no where to go b/c he never took his foot off the gas. It was his responsibility to enter traffic safely. Had he backed off the accelerator he’d not have been back on the racing line so fast  

Problem arises b/c rules appear to be applied inconsistently from race to race and gives the appearance of favoritism. 

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