Mid 2,902 #1 Posted January 6, 2019 res·to·ra·tion /ˌrestəˈrāSH(ə)n/ noun 1. the action of returning something to a former owner, place, or condition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gissie 926 #3 Posted January 6, 2019 Showed this to my wife .She said it would be easier to just run off with the pool boy than polish and remake my missing shaft. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #5 Posted January 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Mid said: res·to·ra·tion /ˌrestəˈrāSH(ə)n/ noun 1. the action of returning something to a former owner, place, or condition. actually it is a verb.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 2,902 #6 Posted January 6, 2019 well both the American and English dictionaries disagree with you . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #7 Posted January 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mid said: well both the American and English dictionaries disagree with you . you are a literal idiot 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ease the sheet. 1,347 #8 Posted January 6, 2019 Restore is the verb....... I'm going out to the shed to restoration that piece of crap that needs a restoration. Likely illiterate American quote. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warbird 370 #9 Posted January 6, 2019 I have a restoration(n). The restoration (v) was tedious. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #10 Posted January 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, warbird said: I have a restoration(n). The restoration (v) was tedious. .... ..- -- --- .-. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dorado 624 #11 Posted January 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Mid said: That was magnificent. Who cares if it took 97 hours of labor. Shame on you mutts for turning this into petty shitfight 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chester 667 #12 Posted January 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Gissie said: Showed this to my wife .She said it would be easier to just run off with the pool boy than polish and remake my missing shaft. You have a pool boy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Point Break 2,733 #13 Posted January 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Mid said: That is extremely cool............. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chester 667 #14 Posted January 6, 2019 meticulous adjective me·tic·u·lous | \mə-ˈti-kyə-ləs \ Definition of meticulous : marked by extreme or excessive care in the consideration or treatment of details a meticulous researcher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gissie 926 #15 Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, chester said: You have a pool boy? It seems we do. Not sure what he does as we have no pool. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mainsheetsister 180 #16 Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, Gissie said: It seems we do. Not sure what he does as we have no pool. I'll bet your wife knows... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 2,658 #17 Posted January 6, 2019 Very cool, I have brought back hand tools with PB Blaster, wire brushing etc but nothing on that level. It's inspiring. On another note: How may grammar nazis does it take to start an argument? Too. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mainsheetsister 180 #18 Posted January 6, 2019 I restored this nice little stool last winter 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #19 Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, d'ranger said: Very cool, I have brought back hand tools with PB Blaster, wire brushing etc but nothing on that level. It's inspiring. On another note: How may grammar nazis does it take to start an argument? Too. My comment was not grammatical... it was humorous, as in anyone involved with “restoration “ understands it is verb....it went over Mid’s anal brain because of his triggered life in PA ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Point Break 2,733 #20 Posted January 6, 2019 Funny....I love woodworking.....I can hardly tolerate sanding. Same with a project like this.....I love to fix things....but all that grinding/sanding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 2,658 #21 Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said: My comment was not grammatical... it was humorous, as in anyone involved with “restoration “ understands it is verb....it went over Mid’s anal brain because of his triggered life in PA ... lighten up Francis - the most common definition is noun. And the thing about humor is it has to be obvious, the literal one was funny but you started with stating it was not a noun but rather a verb, which it can be but not the common usage. Try emojis to help out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #22 Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, d'ranger said: lighten up Francis - the most common definition is noun. And the thing about humor is it has to be obvious, the literal one was funny but you started with stating it was not a noun but rather a verb, which it can be but not the common usage. Try emojis to help out I couldn’t find the emoji for mongoloid ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warbird 370 #23 Posted January 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, d'ranger said: lighten up Francis - the most common definition is noun. And the thing about humor is it has to be obvious, the literal one was funny but you started with stating it was not a noun but rather a verb, which it can be but not the common usage. Try emojis to help out On a sailing site, us being cheap fucks sometimes, we end up performing restoration rather than buying one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chester 667 #24 Posted January 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, mainsheetsister said: I restored this nice little stool last winter Well done MSS! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 2,658 #25 Posted January 6, 2019 I used to teach humor but finally quit as it made me feel funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #26 Posted January 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, d'ranger said: I used to teach humor but finally quit as it made me feel funny. Two cannibals were eating a comedian, and one of them turns to the other and asks, 'Does this taste funny to you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,288 #27 Posted January 6, 2019 46 minutes ago, Point Break said: Funny....I love woodworking.....I can hardly tolerate sanding. Same with a project like this.....I love to fix things....but all that grinding/sanding. I like the metal polishing the best - filthy but spectacular results. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #28 Posted January 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, SloopJonB said: I like the metal polishing the best - filthy but spectacular results. Did you do that.... WOW... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warbird 370 #29 Posted January 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, SloopJonB said: I like the metal polishing the best - filthy but spectacular results. Is that a stack of nouns or the product of a bunch of verbs? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Point Break 2,733 #30 Posted January 6, 2019 That compass is really nice..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #31 Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, warbird said: Is that a stack of nouns or the product of a bunch of verbs? Adjectives now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,288 #32 Posted January 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said: Did you do that.... WOW... I'm more than just a cranky leftie on PA. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snaggletooth 3,015 #33 Posted January 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said: 25 minutes ago, warbird said: Is that a stack of nouns or the product of a bunch of verbs? Adjectives now... Holley Tangentte Topices Batman! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #34 Posted January 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said: Holley Tangentte Topices Batman! In the objective case ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobot 1,925 #35 Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, warbird said: On a sailing site, us being cheap fucks sometimes, we end up performing restoration rather than buying one. And you Sir, are not a very good Capitolist! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snaggletooth 3,015 #36 Posted January 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said: 22 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said: Holley Tangentte Topices Batman! In the objective case ? Notte siure, I onley use uppere an lowere 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warbird 370 #37 Posted January 6, 2019 27 minutes ago, SloopJonB said: I'm more than just a cranky leftie on PA. Really....? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gissie 926 #38 Posted January 6, 2019 55 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said: Adjectives now... In conjunction with... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gissie 926 #39 Posted January 6, 2019 Take out an ad verb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 2,902 #40 Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, SloopJonB said: I like the metal polishing the best - filthy but spectacular results. Gorgeous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merrill Levi 141 #41 Posted January 7, 2019 Mid, thanks for this topic, great timing for me - just prior to Christmas I was given this vice, it was brought to Australia by a boat builder in the early 1900's when he relocated from the Netherlands, he brought everything he thought he would need to build a family home and a business in boat building. Vice given to me by his grandson. Looks like this vice has been around the block a few times. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 2,902 #42 Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Merrill Levi said: Looks like this vice has been around the block a few times. standing by for the after pics 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snaggletooth 3,015 #43 Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Merrill Levi said: b Nowe thast a Chrismas pressente! Enjoiye it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Point Break 2,733 #44 Posted January 7, 2019 Something awesome about a big ole bench vise. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grabbler 206 #45 Posted January 7, 2019 15 hours ago, Snaggletooth said: Notte siure, I onley use uppere an lowere 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #46 Posted January 7, 2019 16 hours ago, SloopJonB said: I like the metal polishing the best - filthy but spectacular results. Did you use any chemicals in the process ?...or old school buffing wheel and rouge ....how did you clean the glass ? and what about the gaskets....the binnacle is a sweet treasure ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Willin' 878 #47 Posted January 7, 2019 Damn it, SJB! That wasn't what I needed to see this AM! I've got the same compass/ binnacle cover. Just had the compass rebuilt but wasn't going to tackle the binnacle, which is not quite as crusty as yours was, but close. I'm already asshole deep in shit to do before spring. Now I'm struggling with whether to add that to the list. Maybe a quick photo or vid tour of the process, please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #48 Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Willin' said: Damn it, SJB! That wasn't what I needed to see this AM! I've got the same compass/ binnacle cover. Just had the compass rebuilt but wasn't going to tackle the binnacle, which is not quite as crusty as yours was, but close. I'm already asshole deep in shit to do before spring. Now I'm struggling with whether to add that to the list. Maybe a quick photo or vid tour of the process, please? Can't get past the wider battens in the seat locker hatches....sorry the old QA in me...but yeah....buff out that binnacle ...it'll really pop at the dock ! https://www.pjtool.com/metal-buffing-polishing-directions/ te·di·ous /ˈtēdēəs/ adjective too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Willin' 878 #49 Posted January 7, 2019 Wow, good eye! Yeah, the hatches are original, the rest of the deck isn't. I have old analog pics from the 70s that show the original deck and they didn't match then either, only a slightly less difference in width. Guess that's the way production boats were built in 1963. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #50 Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Willin' said: Wow, good eye! Yeah, the hatches are original, the rest of the deck isn't. I have old analog pics from the 70s that show the original deck and they didn't match then either, only a slightly less difference in width. Guess that's the way production boats were built in 1963. Sorry for pointing that out...now you'll never be able to not see it....who did the new decking ?....and carefully buffing out the old binnacle....once you start you can't stop...maybe replating Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A guy in the Chesapeake 1,674 #51 Posted January 7, 2019 18 hours ago, Point Break said: Funny....I love woodworking.....I can hardly tolerate sanding. Same with a project like this.....I love to fix things....but all that grinding/sanding. Rust sucks. Especially in your eyes, after several hours of trying to get that last friggin' stuck bolt loose, w/the blood dripping off your knuckles into your face, your back and neck cramped as you reach around some obstruction trying to get the 1/4 turn w/no leverage. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A guy in the Chesapeake 1,674 #52 Posted January 7, 2019 18 hours ago, warbird said: On a sailing site, us being cheap fucks sometimes, we end up performing restoration rather than buying one. That's usually my going-in premise, and I often end up spending 2-3X what the thing would EVER be worth to bring it back to usable condition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Willin' 878 #53 Posted January 7, 2019 On second thought, I'm not the kinda guy to go around polishing the brass to keep the vertigris off, so maybe I'm not so tempted after all. Jon B's is absolutely gorgeous, though. A previous owner had the local apprentice shop- Atlantic Challenge- redeck and build a new house and cockpit coaming. They did a generally good job, though you can find places where they made mistakes and cut corners rather than fix it right. Nothing critical though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 2,315 #54 Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Willin' said: On second thought, I'm not the kinda guy to go around polishing the brass to keep the vertigris off, so maybe I'm not so tempted after all. Jon B's is absolutely gorgeous, though. A previous owner had the local apprentice shop- Atlantic Challenge- redeck and build a new house and cockpit coaming. They did a generally good job, though you can find places where they made mistakes and cut corners rather than fix it right. Nothing critical though. A coat of clear, UV resistant spray paint after polishing will make look like new for years...Next excuse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Willin' 878 #55 Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, IStream said: A coat of clear, UV resistant spray paint after polishing will make look like new for years...Next excuse? Gimme a minute, I'll come up with sumpthin'! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warbird 370 #56 Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said: That's usually my going-in premise, and I often end up spending 2-3X what the thing would EVER be worth to bring it back to usable condition. You would think we would learn. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A guy in the Chesapeake 1,674 #57 Posted January 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, warbird said: You would think we would learn. It's the savior complex. It's easy to recognize if you look in someone's garage/workshop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grande Mastere Dreade 2,146 #58 Posted January 7, 2019 19 hours ago, SloopJonB said: I like the metal polishing the best - filthy but spectacular results. how did you clean the plexi on the compass? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grrr... 1,532 #59 Posted January 7, 2019 19 hours ago, SloopJonB said: I like the metal polishing the best - filthy but spectacular results. Wow - I believe I liberated that exact same compass cover from a gulfstar 39 last year before the boat was trashed and restored it. Stainless is very easy to polish and gives great results. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billy backstay 962 #60 Posted January 7, 2019 20 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said: Two cannibals were eating a comedian, and one of them turns to the other and asks, 'Does this taste funny to you? Funny strange? Or, Funny, haha! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,288 #61 Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said: Did you use any chemicals in the process ?...or old school buffing wheel and rouge ....how did you clean the glass ? and what about the gaskets....the binnacle is a sweet treasure ! No chemicals. A bit of body work on a couple of dents then an 8" buffer with green compound for the brass binnacle and tripoli then green for the bronze ports. The compass dome was in great shape because of the "door" on the cover so it didn't require any work - only the brass housing needed it. The ports came out of an old wooden cruiser that was going to be broken up. I bought them in situ for cheap and pulled them out - which was the most work of the entire process - they were bedded in Thiokol. They were tempered glass which cleaned up nicely - had to scrape some paint blobs and so forth. The gaskets were still pliable so I removed them until the work was done and disassembled the ports for cleanup. The paint on the spigots came off with scraping & sanding and then I set about buffing - 8" spiral sewn wheel with tripoli (brown) abrasive then green, also on a spiral sewn buff. I don't bother with rouge or with loose sewn buffs on boat stuff - those are more for things like jewelry. I probably had something like 5 hours total in each of the 10 ports, counting both removal and cleanup. I bought them "while the iron was hot" because I planned to replace the crappy plastic pots in my Fortune 30 but sold the boat before I got that far. The new owners bought them from me for double what I paid for them so I made something like $10 per hour on them - by far my most profitable messing about in boats. I gave them a sweetheart price to encourage the boat sale - I could easily have gotten double or more what I charged them. I still miss them though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,288 #62 Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Willin' said: Damn it, SJB! That wasn't what I needed to see this AM! I've got the same compass/ binnacle cover. Just had the compass rebuilt but wasn't going to tackle the binnacle, which is not quite as crusty as yours was, but close. I'm already asshole deep in shit to do before spring. Now I'm struggling with whether to add that to the list. Maybe a quick photo or vid tour of the process, please? Sorry - I didn't document the process but I have described it here. Do the polishing last on your project or it'll probably have to be done again just before launching. You realize you have to polish those winches and cowl vents too don't you? Pick up a 6" bench buffer at HF for $50 - don't even bother trying anything else like drill powered buffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #63 Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, SloopJonB said: Sorry - I didn't document the process but I have described it here. Do the polishing last on your project or it'll probably have to be done again just before launching. You realize you have to polish those winches and cowl vents too don't you?...and pedestal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 2,315 #64 Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, SloopJonB said: Pick up a 6" bench buffer at HF for $50 - don't even bother trying anything else like drill powered buffs. Agreed, but I like one with more grunt and that won't vibrate my bench to bits so I sprung for the $100 DeWalt. It's still built like a tank, not like their other living-on-their-reputation stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,288 #65 Posted January 7, 2019 My HF buffer is so smooth I don't even have to bolt it down for small stuff. It gets hot pretty quick though. Bigger is better - an 8" with long shafts and 1 horse is sweet but $$$$$. The little HF does the job on my sort of hobby level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Willin' 878 #66 Posted January 7, 2019 Quote You realize you have to polish those winches and cowl vents too don't you?...and pedestal STFU! The both of yas! And I've got bronze porthole spigots that aren't gonna get done either! Jeez, ya post one thing before coffee in the AM and it's worse than PUI on Friday night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 2,315 #67 Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, SloopJonB said: My HF buffer is so smooth I don't even have to bolt it down for small stuff. It gets hot pretty quick though. Bigger is better - an 8" with long shafts and 1 horse is sweet but $$$$$. The little HF does the job on my sort of hobby level. Not too many $$$. This guy, on sale: https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW758-8-Inch-Bench-Grinder/dp/B0000224J4/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1546883222&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=dewalt+bench+grinder+8+inch&dpPl=1&dpID=41Y3W%2B6w36L&ref=plSrch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,288 #68 Posted January 7, 2019 That's a grinder - the specialized buffers have longer shafts - the extra clearance makes a big difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,288 #69 Posted January 7, 2019 Those before & after pics seem to have been a hit so here's some more. I should note that my bench polisher and my 7" sander polisher for hull buffing are probably my most used tools on the boat. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #70 Posted January 7, 2019 Damn with the Canadian dollar to the USD and you @ $10/hr....Willin' needs to get your contact info... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 2,315 #71 Posted January 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, SloopJonB said: That's a grinder - the specialized buffers have longer shafts - the extra clearance makes a big difference. True, I preferred the larger wheels and greater power for my work. Needless to say, the shields and rests were stripped off immediately, which helped tremendously though it still doesn't have the clearance of a buffer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chester 667 #72 Posted January 7, 2019 that stove came out nice. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junkyard Dog 12 #73 Posted January 7, 2019 It took me over 30 years, but I found the perfect job at last. I'm in charge of restoring this lovely lady: Unfortunately I spend way to much time just trying to keep her on top of the water. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,288 #74 Posted January 7, 2019 You're gonna need the BIG buffer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junkyard Dog 12 #75 Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, SloopJonB said: You're gonna need the BIG buffer. LOL! True. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ride2live 42 #76 Posted January 7, 2019 Well that sure wins the my project is bigger than yours award! Good luck because stuff like that needs saving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Point Break 2,733 #77 Posted January 7, 2019 Sloop...nice work!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 2,658 #78 Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: It took me over 30 years, but I found the perfect job at last. I'm in charge of restoring this lovely lady: Unfortunately I spend way to much time just trying to keep her on top of the water. Nice JD - they truly don't make em like that anymore. At some point doesn't it make more sense to dry dock her in cement? I know hull rust has been a huge problem for many years (they did dry dock her for a year or two some years back) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SailBlueH2O 544 #79 Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: It took me over 30 years, but I found the perfect job at last. I'm in charge of restoring this lovely lady: Unfortunately I spend way to much time just trying to keep her on top of the water. USS Carolina ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Great Red Shark 384 #81 Posted January 7, 2019 https://www.amazon.com/Restoration-Songs-Elton-Bernie-Taupin/dp/B07BDQGXW4 Maren Morris' cover of Mona Lisas and Madhatters is quite good, as is the closing number. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Point Break 2,733 #82 Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: It took me over 30 years, but I found the perfect job at last. I'm in charge of restoring this lovely lady: Unfortunately I spend way to much time just trying to keep her on top of the water. Wow...that's an old girl. New York Class one of two. That's a treasure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuronBouy 155 #83 Posted January 7, 2019 I met a numb nuts once who restored a old and beautiful compass and then mounted in the middle of a table that was in his cottage in Muskoka. It never was wrong always pointed in the same direction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuronBouy 155 #84 Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: It took me over 30 years, but I found the perfect job at last. I'm in charge of restoring this lovely lady: Unfortunately I spend way to much time just trying to keep her on top of the water. The first you are going to have to do is get those masts vertical be cause it won't sail worth a shit the way it is . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Willin' 878 #85 Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said: Damn with the Canadian dollar to the USD and you @ $10/hr....Willin' needs to get your contact info... Hell, I'll pay $11/hr if you know how to swing a caulking mallet! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Willin' 878 #86 Posted January 7, 2019 47 minutes ago, d'ranger said: Nice JD - they truly don't make em like that anymore. At some point doesn't it make more sense to dry dock her in cement? I know hull rust has been a huge problem for many years (they did dry dock her for a year or two some years back) But, but, park her in cement and the geezers won't be able to get underway to fight the aliens!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
