mrcjolsen

First time crewing tomorrow

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Midwinter race. 

Nice weather. 5-8 mph wind forecast.

33 foot

Sailing experience - Laser, Holder 14, lots, long ago.

  • What to wear? What to bring? 
  • Do I need my own life vest?
  • Should I bring beer?
  • What not to do?

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always bring beer, find a decent one in aluminum cans, no bottles, bring enough to share..    it will colder out on the water than on land so don't know what temps you're dealing with.. foul weather jacket and pants      if you're rail meat,  warm fuzzy hat, sunscreen, sunglasses   , sailing boots if you have them...  if you own a pfd bring it, wear it..    if you don't, now's a good time to invest.. , don't expect one on the boat for you  unless you've made plans with the owner.

what to do ..   

do as you're told..   ask how you can help..  stay out of the way of the worker bees

Have fun..

what not to do...

don't be a motor mouth..  don't be a know it all..    don't be a whiner      listen and watch, best way to learn..

 

 

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Show up early to get a feel for the boat.  Bring some beer. Wear layers that breath as you tend to work hard and sweat then sit on the rail.  So breathable layers plus a water proof top layer. DO NOT WEAR JEANS.   Watch listen and do as asked.  Have fun!

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Assuming that this is more than a one-time experience, ask the owner if he minds if the boat sails in after the race so you can become more familiar with what and why crew are doing what they are doing and get some first-hand experience.  Folks like to talk about any expertise is perceived by others.  

Also make sure that nobody outworks you putting the boat away.

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awesome, im racing tomorrow too!

we dont wear pfds, ask the skipper if he wants you to have one.

wear synthetic layers, no cotton

beer is always good, cans only, water too, some snacks if it'll be all day

 

 

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Don't worry about not knowing much: everyone else on the boat will be only too pleased to give you instructions (generally simultaneously and contradictory). And keep in mind that most PRHF racers know at best 20% as much as dinghy sailors, even one who hasn't raced in many years. 

All you really need to bring with you is a willingness to work hard and do what you're told, and (most importantly) a sense of humour.

11 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

Make sure that nobody outworks you putting the boat away.

^^^ This is good advice ^^^ Also, show up 30 minutes ahead of time so that you can scope out the various fittings and help get everything rigged.

P.S. Only a real clown would bring beer. But you can't go wrong bringing this:

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Don't be the lump that doesn't contribute or paticipate, even if it's just to flake down the jib sheets after a tack. Ditto the bit about having fun. 

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When you show up early, ask the skipper or the crew boss what their expectations are for you - if they have a position in mind or if you're along for the ride. if there's a position in mind, ask them what they expect from that position, and ask them to go through maneuvers and responsibilities either before the start or before the maneuver, or both. Also remember if you have a role on the boat, be methodical even if it seems slow. smooth is better than quick but f'd up. speed comes through repetition.

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While there's not enough time to review anything before tomorrow, before next time you might take a look at one of the various books that are available. E.g., if you carefully read and absorb the contents of either of the following, you will have more knowledge than the majority of experienced club racers.

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If you are a male it is traditional to bring beer, rum and herbs. If you are a female it is traditional to get your cans out at the top mark and leave them out on the run. Some very keen ones even offer the owner a blowjob but only under two conditions.

1/ his wife is not onboard

2/ you don’t have a head like a dropped pie and a body like a sack of shit tied in the middle. 

Gods teeth, this place is getting soft.

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As a Skipper, these are the things I look for:

1) Be early.  If you can get down to the docks to survey the boat, this helps.  But even if you need to meet at the top of the ramp (with a locked gate) it's good policy.  As a bonus to you, this means that you will get to meet each of the other crew individually as they arrive, and introduce yourself.  Which is way better than arriving last, and having to remember the names of the rest of the crew as they are introduced rapid-fire.

2) Don't expect to be in a key position your first time out.  If the skipper is not personally familiar with your experience (i.e. sailed with you before), he/she is not likely to put you into a key role until they've had the chance to evaluate you.  The bigger and more complex the boat, the more likely that your first time out will be as rail meat.  It doesn't hurt to ask questions, or to be involved in discussion regarding the course, weather, etc.  But don't question what is being done in the heat of battle, and don't criticize the crew.

3) Before and after the race - don't sit around chatting if ANYONE is doing any boat set-up or put-away work.  Ask them if you can help, and what specific tasks they want you to do.  I hate it when we are motoring back to the dock, and 10 people are standing around chatting while one person is coiling all the lines.

4) Don't be the first person into the beer after the race. 

5) The tip about bringing beer in cans to share is a good one.

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3 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

Assuming that this is more than a one-time experience, ask the owner if he minds if the boat sails in after the race so you can become more familiar with what and why crew are doing what they are doing and get some first-hand experience.  Folks like to talk about any expertise is perceived by others.  

Also make sure that nobody outworks you putting the boat away.

 

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Oh fuck

First When you get to the club park in the commodores parking spot. Everyone will thinks it's funny.  Second, Fuck the beer. Beer is for the fat slobs sitting on the rail. Take a few sixers of Zima Coolers so the owner knows you have class. Third, regardless of the weather wear speedos so everyone knows what you got and they won't fuck with you. Top it off with a Pro Tech Shirt (tm) and a very cool red mount gay hat. Fourth ,Arrive late just before the boat leave so you don't have to do shit or socialize wit the fat slob rail meats. Fifth, Don't sit on the rail with the fat stinky slobs, stand behind the driver  and hold a GPS and have a hand held compass around your neck.   Sixth, If you need something done just yell, fuck the niceties. The fat slobs are use to their fat wives yelling at them.  Seventh  If you need to take a piss just do it off the back of the boat. Don't worry about the fucks behind you they are losers. anyway.  Eight,  Between races tell them where they fucked up and  they better do better in the next race.  Ninth  After the race be the first to get off the boat. Don't forget to mumble some sort of thank you to the rail meat slobs about cleaning up the boat.  tenth Head up to the bar

Once at the bar get a small table for you and the skipper his wife and adult daughter. Order  yourself and the others at your table a nice Sangria. Don't forget to get the owners  bar tab number before leaving the boat. After a few Sangrias hit up the owners wife. If the skipper leaves hit up his adult daughter. When you get bored tell the skipper you got to go and you would be happy to give his daughter a ride home. Hit him up for gas money if you want. When he invites you again say yes as long as  you drive.

 

Have fun! 

 

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Show up early, not "on time".

Definitely help afterwards with flaking the sails back at the dock, if there is one, learn how to properly pack the chute, help put everything away to the point of plugging the shore power cord in.

(Does the boat get a bath afterwards? Help with that too.)

Sounds like you might have an idea how things work already so just listen to others, anticipate what's coming up next and have fun!

 

 

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If you think this is going to be a long-term thing, if something breaks, offer to come down during the week and help fix it.  Even if something doesn't break, ask the owner if there's anything you can help with during the week.  It's hard enough to get crew to sail on the weekend, getting someone to help with boat prep during the week is damn near impossible.  Good way to get to know him/her better in any case and he/she will be very, very grateful. 

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56 minutes ago, VWAP said:

Oh fuck

First When you get to the club park in the commodores parking spot. Everyone will thinks it's funny.  Second, Fuck the beer. Beer is for the fat slobs sitting on the rail. Take a few sixers of Zima Coolers so the owner knows you have class. Third, regardless of the weather wear speedos so everyone knows what you got and they won't fuck with you. Top it off with a Pro Tech Shirt (tm) and a very cool red mount gay hat. Fourth ,Arrive late just before the boat leave so you don't have to do shit or socialize wit the fat slob rail meats. Fifth, Don't sit on the rail with the fat stinky slobs, stand behind the driver  and hold a GPS and have a hand held compass around your neck.   Sixth, If you need something done just yell, fuck the niceties. The fat slobs are use to their fat wives yelling at them.  Seventh  If you need to take a piss just do it off the back of the boat. Don't worry about the fucks behind you they are losers. anyway.  Eight,  Between races tell them where they fucked up and  they better do better in the next race.  Ninth  After the race be the first to get off the boat. Don't forget to mumble some sort of thank you to the rail meat slobs about cleaning up the boat.  tenth Head up to the bar

Once at the bar get a small table for you and the skipper his wife and adult daughter. Order  yourself and the others at your table a nice Sangria. Don't forget to get the owners  bar tab number before leaving the boat. After a few Sangrias hit up the owners wife. If the skipper leaves hit up his adult daughter. When you get bored tell the skipper you got to go and you would be happy to give his daughter a ride home. Hit him up for gas money if you want. When he invites you again say yes as long as  you drive.

 

Have fun! 

 

Im pretty sure the first Pro sailor I every raced with nailed all your points. 

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11 hours ago, Svanen said:

While there's not enough time to review anything before tomorrow, before next time you might take a look at one of the various books that are available. E.g., if you carefully read and absorb the contents of either of the following, you will have more knowledge than the majority of experienced club racers.

9781408157282.jpg

 

 

971.jpg

^^^^^^These are bullshit.

1 hour ago, VWAP said:

Oh fuck

First When you get to the club park in the commodores parking spot. Everyone will thinks it's funny.  Second, Fuck the beer. Beer is for the fat slobs sitting on the rail. Take a few sixers of Zima Coolers so the owner knows you have class. Third, regardless of the weather wear speedos so everyone knows what you got and they won't fuck with you. Top it off with a Pro Tech Shirt (tm) and a very cool red mount gay hat. Fourth ,Arrive late just before the boat leave so you don't have to do shit or socialize wit the fat slob rail meats. Fifth, Don't sit on the rail with the fat stinky slobs, stand behind the driver  and hold a GPS and have a hand held compass around your neck.   Sixth, If you need something done just yell, fuck the niceties. The fat slobs are use to their fat wives yelling at them.  Seventh  If you need to take a piss just do it off the back of the boat. Don't worry about the fucks behind you they are losers. anyway.  Eight,  Between races tell them where they fucked up and  they better do better in the next race.  Ninth  After the race be the first to get off the boat. Don't forget to mumble some sort of thank you to the rail meat slobs about cleaning up the boat.  tenth Head up to the bar

Once at the bar get a small table for you and the skipper his wife and adult daughter. Order  yourself and the others at your table a nice Sangria. Don't forget to get the owners  bar tab number before leaving the boat. After a few Sangrias hit up the owners wife. If the skipper leaves hit up his adult daughter. When you get bored tell the skipper you got to go and you would be happy to give his daughter a ride home. Hit him up for gas money if you want. When he invites you again say yes as long as  you drive.

 

Have fun! 

 

^^^^^^^This is first testament shit right here!!

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I agree with most of VWAP's list but I was taught to hit on the Commodore's wife and then the Oscar Delta (Owner's Daughter) in that order. 

The Commodore's wife has already been in the bar several hours and is bored AF and pre-lubed with something significantly stronger than Sangria.
The OD is pretty much always ready.

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2 hours ago, Somebody Else said:

I agree with most of VWAP's list but I was taught to hit on the Commodore's wife and then the Oscar Delta (Owner's Daughter) in that order. 

The Commodore's wife has already been in the bar several hours and is bored AF and pre-lubed with something significantly stronger than Sangria.
The OD is pretty much always ready.

Yeah, but typically you have to deal with the bowman from Detroit and find a way to neutralize his charms to get the daughter.

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1 hour ago, sunseeker said:

Yeah, but typically you have to deal with the bowman from Detroit and find a way to neutralize his charms to get the daughter.

The bowdude is a scrawny little shit who has no nads and likes being yelled at. Wearing your tight little speedos puts everyone in their place. 

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4 hours ago, Somebody Else said:

I agree with most of VWAP's list but I was taught to hit on the Commodore's wife and then the Oscar Delta (Owner's Daughter) in that order. 

The Commodore's wife has already been in the bar several hours and is bored AF and pre-lubed with something significantly stronger than Sangria.
The OD is pretty much always ready.

You apparently were taught this rule when you were in  SoCal.  Regional discretion is advised.  

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Probably too late to help OP but I'll add: If you expect to be invited back or if you've got a role other than mass management specialist, try to make sure you understand how the boat is rigged. 

But if you help rig anything ask an experienced crew member to check your work. 

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On 1/11/2019 at 1:32 PM, fan said:

Show up early to get a feel for the boat.  Bring some beer. Wear layers that breath as you tend to work hard and sweat then sit on the rail.  So breathable layers plus a water proof top layer. DO NOT WEAR JEANS.   Watch listen and do as asked.  Have fun!

 

What's wrong with jeans?  Lots of us wear jeans; just don't wear any jeans that have rivets, that can scratch things.

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3 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

What's wrong with jeans?  Lots of us wear jeans; just don't wear any jeans that have rivets, that can scratch things.

cotton, gets wet , stays wet..  cold weather sailing..

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Had fun. 

Was on mainsail trim.  Did well (on a Laser, that's like your one job besides steering the boat). Next race is on the 9th. 

Rigging was way more confusing than I expected and 33 foot boats are much smaller than they look on Craigslist. 

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2 hours ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

cotton, gets wet , stays wet..  cold weather sailing..

 

Maybe I am an anomoly!  Polyester, so called "wicking" shirts always leave me feeling wet, cold and clammy.  I prefer cotton for the base layer.

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2 hours ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

cotton, gets wet , stays wet..  cold weather sailing..

Same answer as another thread, polyester feels cold, wet and clammy to me against my skin! I must be a freak!!

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On 1/13/2019 at 9:18 AM, mrcjolsen said:

Had fun. 

Was on mainsail trim.  Did well (on a Laser, that's like your one job besides steering the boat). Next race is on the 9th. 

Rigging was way more confusing than I expected and 33 foot boats are much smaller than they look on Craigslist

Offer to help wash / sand / paint the bottom.  It will look a whole lot bigger then! ;)

Glad you had a good time.

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Get to know the owner's daughter(s) right away.

Speak over everyone so that your sage advice can be heard by everyone while your taking waves on the rail.

Assume none of them drink and only bring enough beer for yourself.

 

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On ‎1‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 1:15 PM, billy backstay said:

 

What's wrong with jeans?  Lots of us wear jeans; just don't wear any jeans that have rivets, that can scratch things.

Well with jeans you get a bit of water on your ankle within 10 minutes it has wicked up your leg and the fellas are now living in the arctic

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On ‎1‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 5:18 PM, mrcjolsen said:

Had fun. 

Was on mainsail trim.  Did well (on a Laser, that's like your one job besides steering the boat). Next race is on the 9th. 

Rigging was way more confusing than I expected and 33 foot boats are much smaller than they look on Craigslist. 

What boat?

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