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4 hours ago, Borax Johnson said:

Check out the blonde on the far right at the bottom (pun intended)...

Second from bottom left could use a second look/profile.

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4 hours ago, Borax Johnson said:

And here's their ad convincing us why....

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The best a man can get.

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I don't understand the Thread title in relation to the pic.  

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4 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I don't understand the Thread title in relation to the pic.  

Gillette has an ad explaining how nasty men are to ladies yet these ladies all have Gillette blazoned across their arses. Sort of makes them look like hypocritical fuckers. But then they are a corporation so money is the only driving force. 

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1 hour ago, Gissie said:

Gillette has an ad explaining how nasty men are to ladies yet these ladies all have Gillette blazoned across their arses. Sort of makes them look like hypocritical fuckers. But then they are a corporation so money is the only driving force. 

I am not aware of this ad.  It would have helped if the OP had included the ad to better make his point rather than ASSuming we all knew WTF he was talking about.

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11 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:
1 hour ago, Gissie said:

Gillette has an ad explaining how nasty men are to ladies yet these ladies all have Gillette blazoned across their arses. Sort of makes them look like hypocritical fuckers. But then they are a corporation so money is the only driving force. 

I am not aware of this ad.  It would have helped if the OP had included the ad to better make his point rather than ASSuming we all knew WTF he was talking about.

That would have confused the issue somewhat, because then you would learn that Gissie's explanation of what the ad was about actually wasn't what the ad was about, which which somewhat lesson the original humor attempt.

 

TRIGGER WARNING:  Men with fragile egos and shitty attitudes about women will be offended by this and may be tempted to flush their razors down the toilet as a result. It's been happening all over the internet.

Dumbfuck men discovering you can't flush a razor, I mean.

 

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1 hour ago, B.J. Porter said:

That would have confused the issue somewhat, because then you would learn that Gissie's explanation of what the ad was about actually wasn't what the ad was about, which which somewhat lesson the original humor attempt.

 

TRIGGER WARNING:  Men with fragile egos and shitty attitudes about women will be offended by this and may be tempted to flush their razors down the toilet as a result. It's been happening all over the internet.

Dumbfuck men discovering you can't flush a razor, I mean.

 

That's a cool ad, thanks.  I had not seen that.  But then I don't watch commercial TV, so it doesn't surprise me.

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Gotta appeal to the youngsters....after about 10 years of shaving %99 of men are set in their ways when it comes to shaving tools ( expect those posting in PA )....stereotypically speaking women probably try something "new" more often....so I'd bump their age to around 40 years old before they too settle down with the same product....  

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12 hours ago, Borax Johnson said:

And here's their ad convincing us why....

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Yup. We're pigs.

Check out the blonde on the far right at the bottom (pun intended)...


Kinda think that dirty, dirty blonde, third from the left in the lower row, knows what it's all about.  ;)
 

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4 minutes ago, Charlie Foxtrot said:


Kinda think that dirty, dirty blonde, third from the left in the lower row, knows what it's all about.  ;)
 

Hmm..something about that head position...the exorcist :)

 

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2 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Hmm..something about that head position...the exorcist :)

 

Hmm... maybe very used to looking back over her shoulder...?

One can hope.  :P

 

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Surprised there has not been a feminazinazi outrage over the sexist/Mongol MC tramp stamp over their azz's

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18 minutes ago, Charlie Foxtrot said:


Kinda think that dirty, dirty blonde, third from the left in the lower row, knows what it's all about.  ;)
 

And for those seeking danger and drama - there is always the red head in the center, top row.

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3 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

Surprised there has not been a feminazinazi outrage over the sexist/Mongol MC tramp stamp over their azz's

Dunno where else they could put the logo...lots of letters in Gillette :D

OTOH..the Ad BJ posted redeems all. 

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Spoiler alert - that ad is meant to appeal to women, the market is more profitable. Whatever men's share is lost will be more than offset by women's positive image of the company. The photo is of course sexist and since I am a cretin I like it.

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Breitbart trashing you would be a badge of honour.

"We lying Nazi scum hate this"

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3 hours ago, Charlie Foxtrot said:
16 hours ago, Borax Johnson said:

And here's their ad convincing us why....

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Yup. We're pigs.

Check out the blonde on the far right at the bottom (pun intended)...

Kinda think that dirty, dirty blonde, third from the left in the lower row, knows what it's all about.  ;)

Yes, an brownette nextte toere woude macke a goode teame.                                :)

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6 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

Yes, an brownette nextte toere woude macke a goode teame.                                :)

DING!

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8 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

That would have confused the issue somewhat, because then you would learn that Gissie's explanation of what the ad was about actually wasn't what the ad was about, which which somewhat lesson the original humor attempt.

 

TRIGGER WARNING:  Men with fragile egos and shitty attitudes about women will be offended by this and may be tempted to flush their razors down the toilet as a result. It's been happening all over the internet.

Dumbfuck men discovering you can't flush a razor, I mean.

 

My explanation was to do with the reported outrage going around about the ad and how this would explain the picture. Personally I don’t find the ad demonises men that much. At the same time I don’t think it is very good either. Wishy washy blurb more like.  Reeks of a corporation trying to jump on the feel good factor of the day. They try and give the impression that Gillette is a concerned person that really cares about how people behave to others. What a fucking joke. 

If they showed examples, like the OP photo, and apologised for their previous abysmal misogynistic behavior I may take them seriously. But they don’t. They post dreamy feel good shit about men improving their behaviour to sell more shit. Then the media just print all the most extreme reactions. Not because it is real but because they need the click. Not because the media actually give a toss about the issue, but because it generates money. 

 

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Advertising agencies are gonna try to be 'edgy'  - always have*, likely always will.  It's really the key to 'viral' - which is what they think they want for cost-per-impression.   

That the ad is only 1 click less vapid than that stupid Pepsi/Kardashian trainwreck is offset by: How fucking touchy do you have to be for THAT to offend you ?  It's not wrong to not be a dick, - maybe if someone said that more often there'd be less folks shootin' up school kids ?  I dunno.

And not to apologize for a Corp or anything, but... Can you imagine being the king of shavers and watching your industry tank as your market share erodes, right in your face ?

The times, they are a'changin'

 

 

 

* See:  BBD&Os famous ad for the Beetle, wherein they feature a full page photo of the Apollo Lunar Lander

with the only text:

" It's ugly, but it gets you there."

and a VW logo.

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That "Ugly" VW ad series was probably the single best ad campaign ever. By the way, it was Doyle, Dane & Bernbach, not BBD&O

The Rainier beer TV ads in the 70's were it's only real competition.

Both were brilliant - entertaining and memorable.

 

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21 hours ago, Borax Johnson said:

And here's their ad convincing us why....

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Yup. We're pigs.

Check out the blonde on the far right at the bottom (pun intended)...

does this mean they shave their asses?

 

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2 hours ago, Bump-n-Grind said:

does this mean they shave their asses?

 

Well played. 

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5 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

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Ist she an entittelled teachere or juste plaine axe murderer?                                                               :)

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21 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

That "Ugly" VW ad series was probably the single best ad campaign ever. By the way, it was Doyle, Dane & Bernbach, not BBD&O

Sorry,  DDB,  not BBD - thought there was an O in there at some point though,  my error

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20 hours ago, Bump-n-Grind said:

does this mean they shave their asses?

 

I certainly hope so.  Nothing worse than a hairy starfish on a hot chick.

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I must have been lucky - I never once saw that.

And that was well before Brazilians appeared on the scene.

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20 hours ago, Snaggletooth said:

Ist she an entittelled teachere or juste plaine axe murderer?                                                               :)

 

Appears to have only one front tooth, in the middle???

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8 hours ago, floating dutchman said:

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For those wanting to make a more informed opinion.

 

who are they? the Swedish shaving team?

 

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On 1/19/2019 at 8:24 PM, Snaggletooth said:

Ist she an entittelled teachere or juste plaine axe murderer?                                                               :)

Lizzie Bordens niece

audition outtake from the Bachelor

 

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18 minutes ago, Bump-n-Grind said:

who are they? the Swedish shaving team?

 

 

They look Brazilian to me!!! :o

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On 1/19/2019 at 4:31 AM, B.J. Porter said:

That would have confused the issue somewhat, because then you would learn that Gissie's explanation of what the ad was about actually wasn't what the ad was about, which which somewhat lesson the original humor attempt.

 

TRIGGER WARNING:  Men with fragile egos and shitty attitudes about women will be offended by this and may be tempted to flush their razors down the toilet as a result. It's been happening all over the internet.

Dumbfuck men discovering you can't flush a razor, I mean.

 

I saw the ad, I've no idea what the big deal is.

Gillette is faced with an impending future where their emerging market doesn't want to scrape their faces with knives. We're growing beards again, or just using trimmers once a week.

Gillette is scared that this is the future, so they make an ad with a bunch of clean-shaven men who act as good guys and protect women. They've successfully implanted this ridiculous idea in our heads that the future of men is to have clean-shaven faces, and they manufactured the "furor" to get the views on the cheap.

My reality is that I respect women and yet I still respect Mother Nature's desire to grow hair on my face. I don't need to have a womanly face to respect women.

And you know what? Fuck Gillette for showing me two generations of ads with women swooning over clean shaven men, and then they cash in on a desire to make me hate myself for not being like the guys in their dumb ass social media bullshit. I respect the women in my life because I was raised right, and that was in spite of the misogynistic Gillette ads of my youth.

I have no idea why so many men still shave. It hurts, it wastes time, it's expensive, and it denies us our inherent manhood to have a face full of barbed wire whiskers.

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Just now, mikewof said:

Gillette is faced with an impending future where their emerging market doesn't want to scrape their faces with knives. We're growing beards again, or just using trimmers once a week.

Never gonna happen

Women generally don't like beards or even mustaches.

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1 minute ago, SloopJonB said:

Never gonna happen

Women generally don't like beards or even mustaches.

I guess they better learn to like facial hair, because the new generation of men increasingly doesn't like to scrape their faces with a fucking blade.

We are under no more obligation to shave than woman are to hide their bodies. If women can be proud of their bodies, then men can be proud of our facial hair. 

Anyway, all the real guys I know who don't shave her laid way more than the clean shaven guys. The future will show only a brief moment in time when men used to make their faces look like women's faces. I don't know the future, but I'm quite sure that men will have whiskers, just like dogs and cats and otters and sea lions.

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14 minutes ago, mikewof said:

I guess they better learn to like facial hair, because the new generation of men increasingly doesn't like to scrape their faces with a fucking blade.

We are under no more obligation to shave than woman are to hide their bodies. If women can be proud of their bodies, then men can be proud of our facial hair. 

Anyway, all the real guys I know who don't shave her laid way more than the clean shaven guys. The future will show only a brief moment in time when men used to make their faces look like women's faces. I don't know the future, but I'm quite sure that men will have whiskers, just like dogs and cats and otters and sea lions.

 

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey!!  You take this advertising shit way too seriously!  I pay no attention to it, by pausing and fast forwarding the DVR.  I know that Madison Avenues sole purpose in life is to peel greenbacks out of our wallets, so I simply choose not to participate.  You should try it sometime!!

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3 hours ago, mikewof said:

 I'm quite sure that men will have whiskers, just like dogs and cats and otters and sea lions.

And pussies, don't forget pussies.

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6 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

And pussies, don't forget pussies.

Harde to forgetter.........                            :)

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9 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

And pussies, don't forget pussies.

Literally or metaphorically?

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16 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey!!  You take this advertising shit way too seriously!  I pay no attention to it, by pausing and fast forwarding the DVR.  I know that Madison Avenues sole purpose in life is to peel greenbacks out of our wallets, so I simply choose not to participate.  You should try it sometime!!

Effective advertising is designed to sneak into your brain while your defenses are down ... that nearly inaudible jingle you hear from the car radio next to you, or the same $%&#@!& commercial played eighty times during the first half of the Ottawa Senator's season. There are specialists on any good advertising team that even modify the commercials you see on your tv to make them as effective or even more effective when they are fast-forwarded on the DVR.

Arguably, the only way to effectively inoculate yourself against the ravages of advertising is to actively pay attention to their methods.

And I think it works ... I drive a beat up old truck, I buy plain ingredients and make my own food, and I haven't bought a razor in ten years. But my kids, the food they ask my to buy, the things they want, I can usually trace it back to the advertising that gets beamed into their heads. And I've no problem with that, I sell my stuff with advertising too, but I don't sell sugar or the promise of a vastly better life by purchasing a marginally better product.

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On 1/22/2019 at 1:11 AM, mikewof said:

I guess they better learn to like facial hair, because the new generation of men increasingly doesn't like to scrape their faces with a fucking blade.

We are under no more obligation to shave than woman are to hide their bodies. If women can be proud of their bodies, then men can be proud of our facial hair. 

Anyway, all the real guys I know who don't shave her laid way more than the clean shaven guys. The future will show only a brief moment in time when men used to make their faces look like women's faces. I don't know the future, but I'm quite sure that men will have whiskers, just like dogs and cats and otters and sea lions.

You are naive, Mike.  Women don't have to do shit.  They own half the money and ALL the pussy in the world.  If women don't like beards - and they generally don't - men will eventually cave to their desire to enjoy some of that pussy eventually that women will withhold to hairy, unkempt, mountain men.  I think this trend towards Grizzly Adams is nothing more than a trend that women will eventually crush and demand we get rid of that fucking beard.  Just saying.

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Exactly - they have the pussy so they make the rules.

It amazes me how many men don't learn to dress & groom themselves the way that appeals to women instead of all the goofy shit they do.

Do you think a woman suggested any of these? Or that any of them would be attractive to a woman?

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7 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

You are naive, Mike.  Women don't have to do shit.  They own half the money and ALL the pussy in the world.  If women don't like beards - and they generally don't - men will eventually cave to their desire to enjoy some of that pussy eventually that women will withhold to hairy, unkempt, mountain men.  I think this trend towards Grizzly Adams is nothing more than a trend that women will eventually crush and demand we get rid of that fucking beard.  Just saying.

I guess I would have agreed with you ten years ago, but -- at least in the USA and Europe -- there is an enormous change afoot.

Women have reached and even exceeded the wealth of men. They increasingly control more money and more non-vaginal power than men. And while they control 100% of the supply of socket, we control 100% of the supply of plug.

What's more, a lot of men don't even want socket, they just want plug. And there are a lot more men who want plug than there are women who want socket. Plus, us men die younger and get sent to prison for plugfests.

You're just a little confused because you're extrapolating the condition of a minority of young beautiful women to all women.

The reality that is dangling in front of you is that It's the supply of plug that is in far greater demand globally than the supply of socket. The difference is that us guys have been monumentally dim-witted with our wealth and we just gave it away willy-nilly.

Now that the law of the land has swung into action and women are more powerful than we are, the whiskers on our face will be the symbol of our resistance. I shaved for women three times in my life and other than the immediate reward of socket, it didn't end well for me ... like Samson, that razor drained me of my resolve.

But here's the even more bitter truth about beards to which you seem oblivious ... it's not so much the women who entice us to shave, it's often other men who are incapable of growing powerful and commanding beards who convince us. So these beardless men, with their weak and childish faces convince us bearded men that we need to shave to make us more attractive to women, or to sell Gillette razors, or to get ahead in business. They find our beards a threat to their limitations. And we believe them, because in their facially hairless state, they kind of resemble the women whom we have been programmed to obey.

JBSF, when you get a moment, look around your house. Other than the sexy sockets by the tv and computer, how many sockets in your home are unplugged, and even never used? I have about 150 sockets in my house, of which maybe 100 have never even be used once and are perpetually empty and plugless. A few sockets are in high demand, but don't let that confuse you boy, because the alternating current that comes out of that forgotten socket in that back room, or that socket by the front door that you rarely use, is every bit as good as the that convenient socket near the coffee machine. 

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7 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Exactly - they have the pussy so they make the rules.

It amazes me how many men don't learn to dress & groom themselves the way that appeals to women instead of all the goofy shit they do.

Why in the world should we dress and groom ourselves in a way that appeals to anyone other than ourselves?

Women dress sexy as a power move over other women, more than a desire to control men. Their effect on men is a byproduct of their competition with other women, rather than the primary intention.

I run a trimmer over my face once every ten days or so just to keep the whiskers from bugging me too much. But why would I actually want to scrape my face with a knife six days a week? My beard is the consistency of barbed wire, why punish myself for nonsense?

As Borax Johnson so deftly noted in this thread, Gillette is full of shit and they should not be trusted. They tell us to be better men in one moment, and then in the next moment they slap their name across the asses of a bunch of perfectly toned hotties at the sporting event. 

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I'm sure you get laid at will.

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39 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I'm sure you get laid at will.

At will! And when the lovely lady with the cocktail won't do the job, then Palmela is always willing.

Viva Resistance!

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5 hours ago, mikewof said:

Why in the world should we dress and groom ourselves in a way that appeals to anyone other than ourselves?

Women dress sexy as a power move over other women, more than a desire to control men. Their effect on men is a byproduct of their competition with other women, rather than the primary intention.

Interesting theory, possibly true for some women but definitely not all. To answer your question, I groom myself in a way that appeals to women because it serves my larger interests. This was true when I was single and is still true in marriage.

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I shave and will continue to because i FUCKING hate beard and mustache on myself...gross...YMMV

 

if you are interested in advertising, check out terry o'rielly's long running radio/podcasts https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcasts/arts-culture/under-the-influence/.  under the influence is it's current title; it ran earlier under the title age of persuasion. https://www.cbc.ca/ageofpersuasion/  and earlier still as O'rielly on advertising. it's very entertaining and informative.

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20 minutes ago, chester said:

I shave and will continue to because i FUCKING hate beard and mustache on myself...gross...YMMV

 

Same here!!  I have scraggly thin facial hair, except for my stash.  There are guys at work 10 years younger, that look 10 years older than me, with their long grey, thin, spotty beards and hair!

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1 hour ago, IStream said:
7 hours ago, mikewof said:

Why in the world should we dress and groom ourselves in a way that appeals to anyone other than ourselves?

Women dress sexy as a power move over other women, more than a desire to control men. Their effect on men is a byproduct of their competition with other women, rather than the primary intention.

Interesting theory, possibly true for some women but definitely not all. To answer your question, I groom myself in a way that appeals to women because it serves my larger interests. This was true when I was single and is still true in marriage.

When women see a well dressed man she reacts the same way most of do to a flattering bikini.

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9 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

Same here!!  I have scraggly thin facial hair, except for my stash.  There are guys at work 10 years younger, that look 10 years older than me, with their long grey, thin, spotty beards and hair!

 

10 hours ago, IStream said:

Interesting theory, possibly true for some women but definitely not all. To answer your question, I groom myself in a way that appeals to women because it serves my larger interests. This was true when I was single and is still true in marriage.

I don't mind appealing to women, but at what price? What's the point of appealing to women if your face burns from the razor, if you feet hurt from those narrow European shoes and if your suit is tailored too tight?

Screw that. Many drop dead beautiful women laugh off that pretty boy bullshit. I'm built like a worker because I'm a worker, and I have no shame in dressing and grooming myself like a worker rather than some guy who looks like he fell out of an Yves St. Laurent window.

And does the beard make me look older? Yeah, and so what? What's wrong with old? If I have a meeting I might give it a close trim, but if the future of my career depends on what is on my face rather than what is in my head, then I'm in the wrong business.

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17 hours ago, mikewof said:

Why in the world should we dress and groom ourselves in a way that appeals to anyone other than ourselves?

Women dress sexy as a power move over other women, more than a desire to control men. Their effect on men is a byproduct of their competition with other women, rather than the primary intention.

 

 

WTF?

Foremost, women dress to please themselves. Sometimes that encompasses a desire to attract a partner (long or short term)

That partner may be of many types..and we may dress accordingly.

Sometimes we dress for professional purposes...looking fit for a particular  job.

Mostly we dress for ourselves, we dress up or down depending on mood. I have never ever known a WOMAN (not a girl) to dress to impress other women.Your attitudes are something out of the 60's.

We dress to express the style we wish to project.

As for the Gillette ads

is it not just possible that sure, they want you to think that good looking women will like you better shaven. But they can also want you not to beat us up if we respond.:rolleyes:

 

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10 hours ago, hasher said:

When women see a well dressed man she reacts the same way most of do to a flattering bikini.

No we don't...you'd be surprised just how much we just don't notice what a man is wearing. As long as it's clean..it's the bod underneath we cant see that we notice. :D

Some women like beards, some don't..well prolly most don't care that much...designer stubble is becoming a bit passe, ...ok..i'm lying :D

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If women dressed for men then Victorias Secret would be the only womens clothing store.

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4 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

If women dressed for men then Victorias Secret would be the only womens clothing store.

thast notte practicalle...

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7 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

WTF?

Foremost, women dress to please themselves. Sometimes that encompasses a desire to attract a partner (long or short term)

That partner may be of many types..and we may dress accordingly.

Sometimes we dress for professional purposes...looking fit for a particular  job.

Mostly we dress for ourselves, we dress up or down depending on mood. I have never ever known a WOMAN (not a girl) to dress to impress other women.Your attitudes are something out of the 60's.

We dress to express the style we wish to project.

As for the Gillette ads

is it not just possible that sure, they want you to think that good looking women will like you better shaven. But they can also want you not to beat us up if we respond.:rolleyes:

 

Meli, go buy all the Gillette razors you can, shave whomever will let you. Not my business.

But I speak with some wisdom. Why do I notice that the women at an all-female school and not a man in sight, tend to do a killer job on makeup and clothing, while the handful of women at a mostly male engineering school often just dress comfortably like the guys, with maybe just a lipstick if that?

Dress and grooming is an expression of personal and sexual power, try as you might to deny it. It's a large reason why either the male or females of a species from mammals to birds to fish to insects evolve bright plumage, majestic antlers, and intricate meetings dances.

And that you have somehow managed to make this reality sexist just suggests that perhaps you need to spend a little time with some David Attenborough videos.

Further, just to demonstrate how deep seated is your sexism, women seem to abuse and beat their men with frequency that is near epidemic, and men often don't report it due to the stigma, https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

As I suggested to JBSF, women increasingly make more money than men and now seem to have little compunction in abandoning their husbands and children, just like us men did when we made all the money.

Times are changing and I prefer not to scrape my face with a knife every morning just to seek the vague approval of a woman or a man or some hell-forsaken razor company.

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Mike, if you're too lazy to shave, just say so - don't try to rationalize some bra burning men's liberation statement out of it.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

Mike, if you're too lazy to shave, just say so - don't try to rationalize some bra burning men's liberation statement out of it.

That stubble and that beard is a symbol, regardless that you attribute it to laziness.

Men drop dead from man diseases like prostate cancer in equal and greater numbers than women die from breast cancer but with only a fraction of the medical funding and research funding with our diseases compared to women.

We have our children literally kidnapped from us in custody battles with some states and countries unwilling to enforce the law to protect fathers.

Men are beaten, abused and even killed by our spouses and partners but most shelters are unwilling to accept men, gay or straight, and there is little public funding or awareness of the problem.

Many states don't apply child support and spousal support equitably for men, even with wage parity.

This is the reality in the war of the sexes. Women fought well and created equity. But then they kept fighting and increasingly created an entire class of men that no longer have equal application of law.

Personally, I have five male friends, every one faithful and fair with his wife, four of the five wives made more money than their husbands. All five had their wives walk out, leave them with bills and children, one friend's wife sued for full custody three years after she walked out.

Deny the war of the sexes if you prefer, Sloop. But from where I see, it's real, and we lost. Women are not the enemy, they never were, and now it's time for all of us to fight for real gender equity, rather than a cartoon version of it.

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You really need to get together with your soul brothers and beat drums around a campfire.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

You really need to get together with your soul brothers and beat drums around a campfire.

Ist stille a campefire ifit in stairwelle?                                  :)

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2 hours ago, mikewof said:

That stubble and that beard is a symbol, regardless that you attribute it to laziness.

Men drop dead from man diseases like prostate cancer in equal and greater numbers than women die from breast cancer but with only a fraction of the medical funding and research funding with our diseases compared to women.

We have our children literally kidnapped from us in custody battles with some states and countries unwilling to enforce the law to protect fathers.

Men are beaten, abused and even killed by our spouses and partners but most shelters are unwilling to accept men, gay or straight, and there is little public funding or awareness of the problem.

Many states don't apply child support and spousal support equitably for men, even with wage parity.

This is the reality in the war of the sexes. Women fought well and created equity. But then they kept fighting and increasingly created an entire class of men that no longer have equal application of law.

Personally, I have five male friends, every one faithful and fair with his wife, four of the five wives made more money than their husbands. All five had their wives walk out, leave them with bills and children, one friend's wife sued for full custody three years after she walked out.

Deny the war of the sexes if you prefer, Sloop. But from where I see, it's real, and we lost. Women are not the enemy, they never were, and now it's time for all of us to fight for real gender equity, rather than a cartoon version of it.

Who got the box?

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10 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Who got the box?

I'm still working on a home for it. BTW, a wood expert told me the opposite of what you wrote. Wood doesn't develop a patina with age unless it's applied. The opposite, many woods tend to bleach with age. He showed me the damaged piece of wood, and sure enough, it was darker in the newly broken bit than on the surface.

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12 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

You really need to get together with your soul brothers and beat drums around a campfire.

That's adorable, maybe you should be thankful that you didn't marry an abusive wife rather than expressing your inner mangina.

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Contrary to Mike's rant's about the sand in his vagina and the unpleasantness of getting his face scraped by a knife, one of my small pleasures in life revolve around getting my haircut and getting a straight razor shave at the barbers. 

I just had both yesterday and it was fabulous.  Yes I said fabulous because it was fabulous.  There are few luxuries in life better than having someone cut your hair, apply shaving cream, meticulously shave you, clean up the stray ear and nose hairs and apply some aftershave and moisturizing face lotion and then do a quick head and neck massage.  All for $16 including tips.  

@mikewof, you can keep your razor wire beard hair.  But SWMBO practically pounces on me when I walk through the door after my afternoons at the barbershop.  I think I'll keep having my face scraped with a knife if its all the same to you.  :D

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3 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Contrary to Mike's rant's about the sand in his vagina and the unpleasantness of getting his face scraped by a knife, one of my small pleasures in life revolve around getting my haircut and getting a straight razor shave at the barbers. 

I just had both yesterday and it was fabulous.  Yes I said fabulous because it was fabulous.  There are few luxuries in life better than having someone cut your hair, apply shaving cream, meticulously shave you, clean up the stray ear and nose hairs and apply some aftershave and moisturizing face lotion and then do a quick head and neck massage.  All for $16 including tips.  

@mikewof, you can keep your razor wire beard hair.  But SWMBO practically pounces on me when I walk through the door after my afternoons at the barbershop.  I think I'll keep having my face scraped with a knife if its all the same to you.  :D

You just discovered the abject glory of a straight razor shave at the barbershop? Did you also hear that Kurt Cobain shot himself?

But JBSF, it's not a barbershop if there aren't girlie mags and a jar of blue liquid filled with combs. And what kind of patron accepts a massage at a barbershop? It's like asking your bartender for a paper umbrella.

A barbershop offers shaves, haircuts, hot towels, conversation and maybe a bootshine on Fridays. I believe you may have stumbled into a massage parlor where one of the ladies found a straight razor.

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4 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Contrary to Mike's rant's about the sand in his vagina and the unpleasantness of getting his face scraped by a knife, one of my small pleasures in life revolve around getting my haircut and getting a straight razor shave at the barbers. 

I just had both yesterday and it was fabulous.  Yes I said fabulous because it was fabulous.  There are few luxuries in life better than having someone cut your hair, apply shaving cream, meticulously shave you, clean up the stray ear and nose hairs and apply some aftershave and moisturizing face lotion and then do a quick head and neck massage.  All for $16 including tips.  

@mikewof, you can keep your razor wire beard hair.  But SWMBO practically pounces on me when I walk through the door after my afternoons at the barbershop.  I think I'll keep having my face scraped with a knife if its all the same to you.  :D

Agreed 100%, last barber I went to also offered a complimentary drink, whiskey, brandy or rum. Every woman I’ve met prefers short hair, clean shaven and a good aftershave. 

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2 hours ago, mikewof said:

You just discovered the abject glory of a straight razor shave at the barbershop? Did you also hear that Kurt Cobain shot himself?

But JBSF, it's not a barbershop if there aren't girlie mags and a jar of blue liquid filled with combs. And what kind of patron accepts a massage at a barbershop? It's like asking your bartender for a paper umbrella.

A barbershop offers shaves, haircuts, hot towels, conversation and maybe a bootshine on Fridays. I believe you may have stumbled into a massage parlor where one of the ladies found a straight razor.

Where did you get the idea I just discovered it???  That has been one of my Saturday traditions for years now.

And the "massage" is a quick scalp and neck rub rub by a Pakistani named Kumar Khan.  And unless I learn Urdu or Pashto, conversation is often difficult.  

There is a jar of blue liquid with combs, but no girlie mags.  A bit of a no no here.  

But $16 for a haircut and shave is just sublime.  I was just back in the states and tried to get a haircut at a "men's salon" and it was a Benjamin just to get a fucking cut!  I finally drove down to the Marine Corps Air station and went to the MCX barbershop and paid $12 for an electric shaver buzz cut that literally took about 3 min and done - NEXT!  

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I found a straight razor shave at the barber to be a poor shave - ended up much like a day old beard.

I can do much better myself with a cheap disposable.

Mike's linking manliness with his beard is pretty sad.

As his his victimization by the female power structure. Who does he think created all those emasculating rules & laws?

Women? :lol:

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21 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Women? :lol:

Mabey hese suggestteng, "yes indirrectley" as in 'behinde everey greate man ist a greate woman'.               :)

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16 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Where did you get the idea I just discovered it???  That has been one of my Saturday traditions for years now.

And the "massage" is a quick scalp and neck rub rub by a Pakistani named Kumar Khan.  And unless I learn Urdu or Pashto, conversation is often difficult.  

There is a jar of blue liquid with combs, but no girlie mags.  A bit of a no no here.  

But $16 for a haircut and shave is just sublime.  I was just back in the states and tried to get a haircut at a "men's salon" and it was a Benjamin just to get a fucking cut!  I finally drove down to the Marine Corps Air station and went to the MCX barbershop and paid $12 for an electric shaver buzz cut that literally took about 3 min and done - NEXT!  

Blue liquid? Barbershop. I had a barbershop shave once in London, no girlie mags either, it was six pounds if memory serves, back in about 1993, I guess about US$12, about $30 I guess in today's money, which is a little more than I pay for a barbershop shave now, so yeah, if I could get all that for the pittance you do, I would do it too, at least once a week.

I didn't realize it was out of the USA, sounds legit. Apologies, my mind often needs to be pried open.

Best straight razor scene in a movie ever ...

My guilty pleasure is a shoeshine, even if I'm wearing a broken pair of boots. When you're getting that shine, you're in the Throne of Redemption. In most U.S. airports I pay about $20 or so for one. In Lima Peru it was the equivalent of a dollar, maybe less, back in Fujimori's day. Their prices were supposedly rigidly controlled at that time, they wouldn't accept a tip. It got to the point that I didn't want a shoeshine because it felt so damned Colonial. That, and those Tico Taxis.

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14 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

I found a straight razor shave at the barber to be a poor shave - ended up much like a day old beard.

I can do much better myself with a cheap disposable.

Mike's linking manliness with his beard is pretty sad.

As his his victimization by the female power structure. Who does he think created all those emasculating rules & laws?

Women? :lol:

I don't know what it's like in Canada, but it's a real problem here, and yes, men created the problem at first, as a response in a different time. Then the times changed, the laws that protected women advanced, the laws that provided gender equity did not.

And that you can laugh this off as you've done here suggests you should reconsider. Hundreds of gay men and even some straight men have been beaten to death by their abusive partners with close.to none of the shelter or professional resource provided to women.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2017/10/29/these-shelters-help-male-victims-of-domestic-violence/amp/

The problem is getting worse. And I get your inclination to chalk it up to a bunch of girlie men, but consider that the second a man strikes back in self defense, (which may be the intention of his abuser) he can lose custody of his children and see an instant jail stay.

Then what happens to those children that are left alone with the abuser? If you think that women are any less capable of violence, then I guess you should consider yourself fortunate.

 

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It's a question of funding, action and priorities Mike.

While women and CHILDREN are still being abused at many many times the rate that men are, there simply isn't the funding.

Most womens shelters started the hard way, no gov support..we did it ourselves and still there's not enough.

Men and women are actually both equal under the law..men need to get their shit together like we did..I suggest you go start something, show the need, organise pro bono lawyers, set up the shelters. I recognise the problem, but for one, I'm not willing to divert funds away from womens shelters when men still have the the seats on the court bench and the money pots.

Now off you trot and make a few calls to all those experts you seem to know.

start your own..like we did.

https://nypost.com/2017/10/29/these-shelters-help-male-victims-of-domestic-violence/

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On 1/19/2019 at 10:07 AM, Charlie Foxtrot said:

LOL

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The director also produced a film that attacked Australian men as steroid-soaked he-men who had a warped view of manhood.

Fake news for sure.

Hey Meli, Feminist Rage Is All The Rage

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7 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

It's a question of funding, action and priorities Mike.

While women and CHILDREN are still being abused at many many times the rate that men are, there simply isn't the funding.

Most womens shelters started the hard way, no gov support..we did it ourselves and still there's not enough.

Men and women are actually both equal under the law..men need to get their shit together like we did..I suggest you go start something, show the need, organise pro bono lawyers, set up the shelters. I recognise the problem, but for one, I'm not willing to divert funds away from womens shelters when men still have the the seats on the court bench and the money pots.

Now off you trot and make a few calls to all those experts you seem to know.

start your own..like we did.

https://nypost.com/2017/10/29/these-shelters-help-male-victims-of-domestic-violence/

Uh, Meli, that link you put up there? Did you perhaps notice that it's the same link I posted directly above before your post? Do you read these?

Anyway, you're ignoring the reality and you made up some nonsense. Men are abused at nearly equal the rate women are. And it doesn't make sense to group children with women rather than men, as you have done. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

Your second bolded bit up there is really the biggest part of the problem. An equitable application of funding wouldn't "divert" money from women's shelters, it would find a way to open those resources to everyone, including gay men and straight men and gender fluid, etc..

Women and men are different. Men who are abused are often  fully capable of defending themselves, but they have been taught well never, ever to hit women, and many have an urge to protect their partner and keep them out of the law even if it means getting beaten or stabbed to death.

Here's the reality to which you seem oblivious ... women and gay people have just as much capacity and inclination to be as abusive and horrible as us straight men have been, and now they have the cash and power to get away with it.

What you wrote up there is purely sexist and you don't see it. Women have to fix this problem just as much as men do. What you wrote is akin to the judge asking the woman "what did you do to make your husband beat you so fully?"

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On 1/27/2019 at 1:38 AM, mikewof said:

Why do I notice that the women at an all-female school and not a man in sight, tend to do a killer job on makeup and clothing, while the handful of women at a mostly male engineering school often just dress comfortably like the guys, with maybe just a lipstick if that?

This was not really the case when my sister was at Wheaton before they went co-ed.

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I'm fat. I was not fat when I met my wife, I weighed about 175 and women I didn't know smiled at me in public. A lot.

My wife prefers it when I shave, she's made this completely clear.

She'll never, ever say it, but I'm sure she liked it better 110 pounds ago when we met and I was slim, fit and reasonably good looking. She's gotten the short end of the stick on that one; she can still wear stuff that fit her when she was 21.

I can't immediately gratify her with less of a belly. But I can drag a razor over my face for her.

It's not that big of a deal, and I'm fairly certain there is no weird butterfly effect that leads to men being abused by their wives.

Losing the weight has been much more of a struggle than keeping my face clean. I'm fat, but I don't need to be a slob.

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12 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

I'm fat. I was not fat when I met my wife, I weighed about 175 and women I didn't know smiled at me in public. A lot.

My wife prefers it when I shave, she's made this completely clear.

She'll never, ever say it, but I'm sure she liked it better 110 pounds ago when we met and I was slim, fit and reasonably good looking. She's gotten the short end of the stick on that one; she can still wear stuff that fit her when she was 21.

I can't immediately gratify her with less of a belly. But I can drag a razor over my face for her.

It's not that big of a deal, and I'm fairly certain there is no weird butterfly effect that leads to men being abused by their wives.

Losing the weight has been much more of a struggle than keeping my face clean. I'm fat, but I don't need to be a slob.

Once you're back in fighting trim, you get to be as much of a slob as you like.

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13 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Losing the weight has been much more of a struggle than keeping my face clean. I'm fat, but I don't need to be a slob.

It's easier than shaving every day.

Eat less - it's worked (and is working) for me.

I'm 50 Lbs less than I was at my worst and it's still coming off.

And my wife is as good a cook as any chef you ever met.

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