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3 minutes ago, Fat Point Jack said:

There were very few comments, but a bunch of puzzled looks.

Speaking of being puzzled care to explain why you appear to be operating under two screen names in the same thread? 

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1 minute ago, chum said:

Ok FPJ is a member since 2004. Lefty only washed up here a couple years back in Melis boat. Not the same guy.

Clearly he just posts without reading.  Maybe if I raise my voice

HEY FAT POINT JACK DO YOU HAVE A SOCK NAMED MRLEFT8?

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10 minutes ago, Not guilty said:

NBC evening news just announced that it is showing what really happened during this event. Lets see what they say.

Typical NBC. Yes they pointed out that the student gave a statement and admitted that there were taunts by the black Israelites  Then they continued to show the edited video and a clip from a NA woman still pushing that the kids were being racist.  They also repeated that the kids could face expulsion.  

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3 hours ago, The Joker said:

Oh how clever.  You really are a genius. 

Not really - just smarter than any Trump supporter.

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I heard an interview from the old Vietnam vet (he talks slow, I got to work before he was finished).   From what I gather, he saw a bunch of Trump supporters having words with the Black Israelites.   Possibly being a minority activist himself, he seemed to initially think the minority was being oppressed, but later called them black Westboro Baptists.   The kids of course acted like testosterone filled teenage boys, and up escalated when challenged.   They were likely racist and closed minded to begin with, being Trump supporters on a school sanctioned political protest.   So the black Westboro Baptists are haters.   The Catholics are haters.   The native guy is a meddler.   Do I have it right?   

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/twitter-suspends-account-that-helped-ignite-controversy-over-viral-encounter/ar-BBSz1yo?ocid=spartandhp

 

The account, with the username @2020fight, was set up in December 2016 and appeared to be the tweets of a woman named Talia living in California. "Teacher & Advocate. Fighting for 2020," its Twitter bio read. Since the beginning of this year, the account had tweeted on average 130 times a day and had more than 40,000 followers.

McDonagh said he found the account suspicious due to its "high follower count, highly polarized and yet inconsistent political messaging, the unusually high rate of tweets, and the use of someone else's image in the profile photo."


Molly McKew, an information warfare researcher who saw the tweet and shared it herself on Saturday, later realized that a network of anonymous accounts were working to amplify the video. 


Speaking about the nature of fake accounts on social media, McKew told CNN Business, "This is the new landscape: where bad actors monitor us and appropriate content that fits their needs. They know how to get it where they need to go so it amplifies naturally. And at this point, we are all conditioned to react and engage or deny in specific ways. And we all did."

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6 hours ago, jzk said:

You think that it being on CNN automatically makes it fake news?  Who knew.

The President knows.  Just call it being Presidential.

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3 minutes ago, Barnacle Balls said:

Well, talk about jumping to conclusions.

Casual Trumpateers don’t spend a three day weekend buying hats from a crooked President and campaigning for laws to restrict the freedoms of others not of their faith,   That pretty much makes them hardcore.   I know that demographic quite well.   I’m surprised they were able to suppress their fear enough to go unarmed.    They were probably carrying kinives.   

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4 hours ago, The Joker said:

Not under a rock Or making judgements on a boat 10,000 miles away. 

I travel all over the country and the only time in the last 30+ years I have ever heard the N word spoken loudly in public was by African Americans to each other.  

That is what is being claimed. The N word spoken loudly and proudly,  in public by a group of whites.  

I know some see racism under every rock,  in America. 

When it comes to race. I see a vastly much improved country than when I grew up In the 60’s   

We have a long way to go, but seeing everything as race based is hurting  progress not enhancing it  

 

You can say nigger. We are not kindergartners.

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Just now, Barnacle Balls said:

No.  everything you just said is prejudicing them.  Another perfect example of left wing tolerance.  

I oppose theocracy,   Each of us carries our own biases.   How much time have you spent in Kentucky?   

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10 minutes ago, Barnacle Balls said:

Well, talk about jumping to conclusions.

The red hats are fairly conclusive.

If they aren't racist themselves, the red hats make them enablers.

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2 hours ago, J28 said:
3 hours ago, badlatitude said:

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Bill Clinton????

You need new glasses.

That guy doesn't look anything like Pres. Billy-Bob

-DSK

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2 hours ago, J28 said:

Bill Clinton????

He's talking to you, and at some point, you need to own it. 58,000 ghosts are waiting for Donnie to visit Vietnam

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5 hours ago, The Joker said:

Not under a rock Or making judgements on a boat 10,000 miles away. 

I travel all over the country and the only time in the last 30+ years I have ever heard the N word spoken loudly in public was by African Americans to each other.  

That is what is being claimed. The N word spoken loudly and proudly,  in public by a group of whites.  

I know some see racism under every rock,  in America. 

When it comes to race. I see a vastly much improved country than when I grew up In the 60’s   

We have a long way to go, but seeing everything as race based is hurting  progress not enhancing it  

 

Glad to hear you think that less outwardly-expressed racism is good. A lot of rightie snowflakes whine about it.

But if you don't hear crackers using the N-word in casual conversation, then you're not going "all over the country." The last time I heard it in public was in a small restaurant in northern Wisconsin last summer.

Seeing racism where it exist is not "seeing everything as race based"and if you were not a racist then you'd shrug when other made false accusations of racism. BUt I'll give you partial credit for speaking positively

-DSK

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12 minutes ago, Barnacle Balls said:

oh, except for the black guys calling everyone niggas.

You really have been oppressed by the black power structure haven't you?

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17 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

You really have been oppressed by the black power structure haven't you?

These particular black power players would gut you and all your relatives like a stuck pig if they thought they could get away with it. 

Simply because of your pigmentation

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20 hours ago, frenchie said:

So ... you're upset enough to call me a lying piece of shit... because when you said "racist bully with the drum", I thought you meant the guy with the drum in the videos in this thread.  When you were actually talking about this other guy... who doesn't have a drum... in a completely different video, that's not in this thread.

And not having seen this particular video, somehow also makes me a lying sack of shit.  Because if I'd seen it, I'd realize "racist bully with the drum" was a reference to guy with nothing in his hands; not Phillips, the guy with a drum in this video as well.

But, strictly as an aside, I guess  -  if Phillips drummed in your face like that, he'd be wearing his drum as a hoola-hoop.

 

...is that right?

 

 

racist bully with the drum.png

still waiting for your response to this, bub.

 

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10 hours ago, dacapo said:

any proof that Moderate is a cunt?    

I really should work on my virtue posturing 

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Hey Lark why don't you do a little research? These kids are not a bunch of country bumpkins. Covington is across the river from Cincinnati and Park Hills is basically a Cincinnati suburb.  The tribal elder is not a Vietnam vet. He might be a Vietnam era vet but his age would have precluded him from serving in Vietnam. Other stories about his run ins with students at Eastern Michigan mention that.  He is a professional agitator. 64 is not that old and frail and probably not that much older than your dad. Maybe you should call him frail and old. Why no condemnation of the Black Israelites? The extended video shows them harassing the students. What would you do if a guy starts pounding a drum in your face? The kid smirked and smiled probably because the scene is so absurd. All the other crap is speculation and people filling out a narrative to confirm their political prejudices.

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29 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Glad to hear you think that less outwardly-expressed racism is good. A lot of rightie snowflakes whine about it.

But if you don't hear crackers using the N-word in casual conversation, then you're not going "all over the country." The last time I heard it in public was in a small restaurant in northern Wisconsin last summer.

Seeing racism where it exist is not "seeing everything as race based"and if you were not a racist then you'd shrug when other made false accusations of racism. BUt I'll give you partial credit for speaking positively

-DSK

I've heard it  -  up here, in the supposedly uber-liberal bastion of NYC  -  from a white coworker.  Hard to beleive nobody's using it, in less liberal places...

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Not guilty said:

...and the cockroaches scatter. The libtards had the wool pulled over their eyes and reee'ed all over. Now they are running for the hills, lets see how many try to hold onto the false narrative. I bet PA's local gun dealer will continue to reee. 

No one is scattering. No one had the wool pulled over their eyes, and the press is struggling to give this event a fair hearing. I'm waiting to see what the final arbiter, the Diocese of Covington does. I bet that there is a penalty for disrespect, I think Sandman pays a heavy price for lying. No chaperone is going to allow a group that they bear responsibility for to taunt across a mall and approach without supervision. The real bad guys were the BHI, and it's too bad the National Park Service is furloughed, or something may have been done about them before this blew up.

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9 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

No one is scattering. No one had the wool pulled over their eyes, and the press is struggling to give this event a fair hearing. I'm waiting to see what the final arbiter, the Diocese of Covington does. I bet that there is a penalty for disrespect, I think Sandman pays a heavy price for lying. No chaperone is going to allow a group that they bear responsibility for to taunt across a mall and approach without supervision. The real bad guys were the BHI, and it's too bad the National Park Service is furloughed, or something may have been done about them before this blew up.

I see what you did there.

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13 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

No one is scattering. No one had the wool pulled over their eyes, and the press is struggling to give this event a fair hearing. I'm waiting to see what the final arbiter, the Diocese of Covington does. I bet that there is a penalty for disrespect, I think Sandman pays a heavy price for lying. No chaperone is going to allow a group that they bear responsibility for to taunt across a mall and approach without supervision. The real bad guys were the BHI, and it's too bad the National Park Service is furloughed, or something may have been done about them before this blew up.

The press is struggling to try and keep the basic message that wearing red MAGA hats is racist.  

Every report story ect. Mentions the students as wearing MAGA hats   

Talk about a dog whistle to the left 

The reason people are deleting their teeets is they don’t want the fallout that is already happening. 

People have and will be fired over some truely vile tweets.

All Based on a false narrative. 

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3 minutes ago, Not guilty said:

The guy making racists statements is not Phillips, Phillips is the bully beating a drum in a kids face. That is a very adult thing to do. Or just confronting a group of kids who were standing around getting harassed by a group of black Israel's is also a very adult thing to do. A kid standing in place not blocking anyone from wanting to leave and smiling is not racist, it is not intimidating, it is a false narrative that has now been shown to be fake news and the media and the celebrities that were so quick to jump on the fake news are now running from the hills.

 

I'll make this real simple.

 

1. Do you admit that "racist bully with the drum" was a reference to Phillips? 

Y/N

2. Are you going to apologize for trying to lie about it?

Y/N

3. Are you going to apologize for calling me a lying sack of shit, when it was actually you who was lying?

Y/N

 

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8 minutes ago, VOA said:

You should self ban for consistently spreading fake news 

I thought of you all day today, I was at the zoo.

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1 hour ago, Lark said:

Casual Trumpateers don’t spend a three day weekend buying hats from a crooked President and campaigning for laws to restrict the freedoms of others not of their faith,   That pretty much makes them hardcore.   I know that demographic quite well.   I’m surprised they were able to suppress their fear enough to go unarmed.    They were probably carrying kinives.   

You do know you’re supposed to use purple font when being sarcastic don’t you?

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37 minutes ago, Callahan said:

Hey Lark why don't you do a little research? These kids are not a bunch of country bumpkins. Covington is across the river from Cincinnati and Park Hills is basically a Cincinnati suburb.  The tribal elder is not a Vietnam vet. He might be a Vietnam era vet but his age would have precluded him from serving in Vietnam. Other stories about his run ins with students at Eastern Michigan mention that.  He is a professional agitator. 64 is not that old and frail and probably not that much older than your dad. Maybe you should call him frail and old. Why no condemnation of the Black Israelites? The extended video shows them harassing the students. What would you do if a guy starts pounding a drum in your face? The kid smirked and smiled probably because the scene is so absurd. All the other crap is speculation and people filling out a narrative to confirm their political prejudices.

The elder agitator (initially identified as a Vietnam vet, but perhaps not?) sounded older on radio.   I liked his description of the Black Israelites and used it.    Black Westboro Baptists.  You didn’t mistake that for a compliment, did you?    Covington was a rich white suburb last time I was there.   It’s about 40 minutes from the Arc Experience.   I didn’t do much research on this one, it sounds like everybody is a villain.   I won’t let Trump’s youth off the hook either.   

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3 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I thought of you all day today, I was at the zoo.

Servicing the monkeys again?  

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2 minutes ago, J28 said:

Servicing the monkeys again?  

Hey asshole.

shit like that just gives the vile posters on the left more ammunition. 

From what I have read BL is not one of those. 

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3 minutes ago, The Joker said:

The press is struggling to try and keep the basic message that wearing red MAGA hats is racist.  

Every report story ect. Mentions the students as wearing MAGA hats   

Talk about a dog whistle to the left 

The reason people are deleting their teeets is they don’t want the fallout that is already happening. 

People have and will be fired over some truely vile tweets.

All Based on a false narrative. 

The American public reflects that view, only a few people have deleted tweets and only to recognize that a more considered story should be written. The MAGA kids are not going to get out of this, they conducted themselves poorly for Catholic school kids, the final story will not end well, we still expect our children to behave themselves, even in the middle of adversity.

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@The Joker Who is this BL you refer to?   I replied to Bad Latitude, who IS a vile lefty.  Don’t fool yourself, the lefty circle jerk needs no additional ammunition to post vile shit.  They do it 24/7 regardless of what folks on the right post.

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6 minutes ago, J28 said:

@The Joker Who is this BL you refer to?   I replied to Bad Latitude, who IS a vile lefty.  Don’t fool yourself, the lefty circle jerk needs no additional ammunition to post vile shit.  They do it 24/7 regardless of what folks on the right post.

Clean up your own act and see how people treat you differently.

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Circle Jerk - I know that is the ID of one of the RW nutters here, I just can't remember which one.

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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

He's talking to you, and at some point, you need to own it. 58,000 ghosts are waiting for Donnie to visit Vietnam

Well as least Trump didn’t say he loathed the military as he dodged the draft:

....“When the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war I had been fighting against, and that is why I contacted you. ROTC was the one way left in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid both Vietnam and resistance. Going on with my education, even coming back to England, played no part in my decision to join ROTC. I am back here, and would have been at Arkansas Law School, because there is nothing else I can do. In fact, I would like to have been able to take a year out perhaps to teach in a small college or work on some community action project and in the process to decide whether to attend law school or graduate school and how to be putting what I have learned to use. But the particulars of my personal life are not nearly as important to me as the principles involved.

....I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal.”....

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html

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Just now, J28 said:

Well as least Trump didn’t say he loathed the military as he dodged the draft:

....“When the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war I had been fighting against, and that is why I contacted you. ROTC was the one way left in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid both Vietnam and resistance. Going on with my education, even coming back to England, played no part in my decision to join ROTC. I am back here, and would have been at Arkansas Law School, because there is nothing else I can do. In fact, I would like to have been able to take a year out perhaps to teach in a small college or work on some community action project and in the process to decide whether to attend law school or graduate school and how to be putting what I have learned to use. But the particulars of my personal life are not nearly as important to me as the principles involved.

....I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal.”....

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html

No, he just thinks the Generals are incompetent and he would have been better.

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This just surfaced, such good Catholic boy behavior.

  1.  Last thing, for people wondering what they yelled, all we specifically heard was "MAGA", "Build the Wall", and some people say they hear "slut" at the end of the video  ok it's past my bedtime goodnight twitter

     
  2.  

    Also for those asking the full details, the interaction wasnt very complicated. We walked by, they started yelling, we asked them how old they were, they replied "old enough", kept yelling, and we rolled our eyes and kept walking. 

     
  3.  

    This video is short because we walked by and were surprised to be yelled at. I took my phone out to send it to my friends back home for a laugh. I simply could not ignore the media saying they were provoked so I posted it

 

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39 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

The American public reflects that view, only a few people have deleted tweets and only to recognize that a more considered story should be written. The MAGA kids are not going to get out of this, they conducted themselves poorly for Catholic school kids, the final story will not end well, we still expect our children to behave themselves, even in the middle of adversity.

You are wrong I believe Americans will see their actions as a minor reaction to the truely vile comments by the Black Israelites and the deliberate attempt by Phillips to escalate the situation. 

And yes I have come to the conclusion that he was not trying to calm everyone down. I believe he was hoping to get a reaction from these kids wearing MEGA hats. 

You don’t descalate a situation by banging a drum in someone’s face. 

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Just now, The Joker said:

You are wrong I believe Americans will see their actions as a minor reaction to the truely vile comments by the Black Israelites and the deliberate attempt by Phillips to escalate the situation. 

And yes I have come to the conclusion that he was not trying to calm everyone down. I believe he was hoping to get a reaction from these kids wearing MEGA hats. 

You don’t descalate a situation by banging a drum in someone’s face. 

An old man trying to get a reaction from a mob? He doesn't strike me as that stupid. As to the rest, we'll just wait and see.

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10 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

An old man trying to get a reaction from a mob? He doesn't strike me as that stupid. As to the rest, we'll just wait and see.

Old man?  He is 64.  Not even old enough to have served in Vietnam as claimed.   

It was not a mob it was a group of teenagers waiting for their buses   

Clearly He thought he could provoke that kid Into a negative move to help his agenda. 

He failed and as more evidence comes out I believe his actions will not be viewed with sympathy,  but condemnation  

 

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7 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Old man?  He is 64.  Not even old enough to have served in Vietnam as claimed.   

It was not a mob it was a group of teenagers waiting for their buses   

Clearly He thought he could provoke that kid Into a negative move to help his agenda. 

He failed and as more evidence comes out I believe his actions will not be viewed with sympathy,  but condemnation  

 

He is a senior citizen and as such deserves a level of respect. The youngest soldier to give his life in the Vietnam war died at age 15. There are countless videos where mobs of teenagers have done substantial damage; you never know when or how a mob will react, clearly an old man would be foolish to provoke a mob, it makes no sense. I see no clear action or motivation for the old man, he perceived trouble, and he was attempting to diffuse it. New evidence is coming out, and I think the kids take a fall for bad behavior.

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8 minutes ago, The Joker said:

He is 64.  Not even old enough to have served in Vietnam as claimed.   

 

Yup. 

He says he signed up when he was 17; that means, sometime in 1972. 

But the last Marine combat unit, left Vietnam in 1971.

Of course, nobody can find a direct quote where he claims to have served in Vietnam combat, either.

Closest he actually ever seems to have said, is "Vietnam times".

 

 

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7 minutes ago, frenchie said:

Yup. 

He says he signed up when he was 17; that means, sometime in 1972. 

But the last Marine combat unit, left Vietnam in 1971.

Of course, nobody can find a direct quote where he claims to have served in Vietnam combat, either.

Closest he actually ever seems to have said, is "Vietnam times".

 

 

I never saw him claim combat, why does everyone presume that? He could have been an Embassy guard for all we know.

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13 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I never saw him claim combat, why does everyone presume that? He could have been an Embassy guard for all we know.

If all else fails, double down on stupid. You got your ass handed to you on a silver platter. Get over it.  :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Moderate said:

I really should work on my virtue posturing 

You need to work on most everything about yourself.

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Hey Lark, Covington a rich white suburb! Are you on drugs? Check out the city data site for Covington's housing value, per capita income etc.  Point Place has considerably higher values and it's not a rich white suburb, is it?. Covington is a historically poor white sub Appalachian urban area with a gentrified riverfront. Do your homework. These kids are mostly middle class catholic kids who have 2 working parents and are scraping the money to provide their kids with the best education they can afford. Also revisit the video and see how many students had MAGA hats on. Not exactly all, nor is it a crime? Tell me, why did the elder native american approach and enter a crowd of teenagers? Especially when one of his cohorts had a video camera running to document it.  He had to go out of his way to confront the group of kids. Also, after seeing the full video, do you believe Mr. Phillips accurately described the situation to the NY Times?  

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It's amusing to see all the Trumpkins come out of the woodwork in this thread - FINALLY - something they can feel like winners about.

Enjoy it while you can you sad little people.

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Seriously BL just let it go. Posting stuff little girls post about the school boys? 

You screwed the pooch again.

Ill need another long surface interval again  soon, the sickening resonance of the lefty PA echo chamber means I can only stay under for short periods of time. 

AND MELI STOP WITH THE IRRITATING SCHOOLGIRL EMOJIS AT THE END OF EVERY POST, YOURE MAKING MY HEAD EXPLODE! I CANT EVEN READ PAST YOUR SHIT BECAUSE THE BRAIN STILL REGISTERS THE STUPID FUCKING EMOJIS! 

 

 

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10 hours ago, The Joker said:

Clearly he just posts without reading.  Maybe if I raise my voice

HEY FAT POINT JACK DO YOU HAVE A SOCK NAMED MRLEFT8?

No, but we share many of the same opinions.

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Oh, now it makes sense. He doesn’t seem to mind you posting for him either, so it should work out perfectly.

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We seem to have a subculture of rude, crude and obscene.

My wife and I went up to Bristol, Tennessee or was it Virginia the same weekend as the Florida vs Tennessee football game.  As she is a 3rd generation Florida Gator we had to wear Florida shirts.  One young buck said as we walked past, "Florida Sucks".  As I vote with my wallet, I doubt if I ever return to that those towns.

This past Sunday a fellow walked into the store and after my greeting the first thing out of his mouth was, "What kind of uncivilized place is this?"  I was stunned but kept my mouth shut.  It took me several days to think of an appropriate response, which would be, "What would you say to someone you never met that said the same thing about your home town".  We are mostly pretty civilized here, at least Tom Ray is and so is Sarosa.

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22 minutes ago, chum said:

AND MELI STOP WITH THE IRRITATING SCHOOLGIRL EMOJIS AT THE END OF EVERY POST, YOURE MAKING MY HEAD EXPLODE! I CANT EVEN READ PAST YOUR SHIT BECAUSE THE BRAIN STILL REGISTERS THE STUPID FUCKING EMOJIS! :angry::angry::angry:

Fixed.

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11 minutes ago, Fat Point Jack said:

We seem to have a subculture of rude, crude and obscene.

My wife and I went up to Bristol, Tennessee or was it Virginia the same weekend as the Florida vs Tennessee football game.  As she is a 3rd generation Florida Gator we had to wear Florida shirts.  One young buck said as we walked past, "Florida Sucks".  As I vote with my wallet, I doubt if I ever return to that those towns.

This past Sunday a fellow walked into the store and after my greeting the first thing out of his mouth was, "What kind of uncivilized place is this?"  I was stunned but kept my mouth shut.  It took me several days to think of an appropriate response, which would be, "What would you say to someone you never met that said the same thing about your home town".  We are mostly pretty civilized here, at least Tom Ray is and so is Sarosa.

Mr Left isn’t that bad. He can be crude, rude and obscene quite often, but he’s mostly a harmless chatterbox doneitall like Meli. 

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/julie-irwin-zimmerman-i-failed-covington-catholic-test/580897/

I Failed the Covington Catholic Test
Next time there’s a viral story, I’ll wait for more facts to emerge.

JAN 21, 2019

Writer based in Cincinnati

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Assume the worst, and agree that the boy was being disrespectful. That still would not justify the death threats he’s been receiving. It would not justify the harassment of the other Covington Catholic student who wasn’t even in Washington, D.C., but who was falsely identified as the smirker by some social-media users. Online vigilantes unearthed his parents’ address and peppered his family with threats all weekend long, even as they were trying to celebrate a family wedding, accusing them of raising a racist and promising to harm their family business.

The story is a Rorschach test—tell me how you first reacted, and I can probably tell where you live, who you voted for in 2016, and your general take on a list of other issues—but it shouldn’t be. Take away the video and tell me why millions of people care so much about an obnoxious group of high-school students protesting legalized abortion and a small circle of American Indians protesting centuries of mistreatment who were briefly locked in a tense standoff. Take away Twitter and Facebook and explain why total strangers care so much about people they don’t know in a confrontation they didn’t witness. Why are we all so primed for outrage, and what if the thousands of words and countless hours spent on this had been directed toward something consequential?

If the Covington Catholic incident was a test, it’s one I failed—along with most others. Will we learn from it, or will we continue to roam social media, looking for the next outrage fix? Next time a story like this surfaces, I’ll try to sit it out until more facts have emerged. I’ll remind myself that the truth is sometimes unknowable, and I’ll stick to discussing the news with people I know in real life, instead of with strangers whom I’ve never met. I’ll get my news from legitimate journalists instead of from an online mob for whom Saturday-morning indignation is just another form of entertainment. And above all, I’ll try to take the advice I give my kids daily: Put the phone down and go do something productive.

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Original CNN interview with the Native American Drummer (before the fool realized there was another video that would out his lies)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/nathan-phillips-maga-teens-interview/index.html

CNN: What did it feel like that you were witnessing?

Drummer Nathan Phillips: Oh, what I was witnessing was just hate? Racism? Well, hate. What I'm saying is that when these folks came there, these other folks were saying their piece, and these others they got offended with it because they were both just expressing their own views. And if it's racism, that's what it was because the folks that were having their moment there, they were saying things that I don't know if I agreed with them or not, but some of it was educational, and it was truth, and it was history about religious views and ideologies, but these other folks, the young students, they couldn't see it. They had one point of view, it seemed, and that was that their point of view was the only point of view that was worthwhile. And that's now what I was feeling.

CNN: Were you trying to calm the situation down basically when you saw kind of things seemed to spiral out of control?

Phillips: I think so. I think that was the push, that we need to use the drum, use our prayer and bring a balance, bring a calming to the situation. I didn't assume that I had any kind of power to do that, but at the same time, I didn't feel that I could just stand there anymore and not do something. It looked like these young men were going to attack these guys. They were going to hurt them. They were going to hurt them because they didn't like the color of their skin. They didn't like their religious views. They were just here in front of the Lincoln -- Lincoln is not my hero, but at the same time, there was this understanding that he brought the (Emancipation Proclamation) or freed the slaves, and here are American youth who are ready to, look like, lynch these guys. To be honest, they looked like they were going to lynch them. They were in this mob mentality. Where were their parents? Because they were obvious a student group. Where were their--

CNN: Chaperones?

Phillips: Yeah, chaperones. Where were they? What were they doing? Why did they allow them to come to such a boiling point? To allow such hate and racism, just to be -- just to be, and not teach them that this is wrong. America foundations, freedoms, the reason white people came to this country is for freedom of religion, freedom of speech. Not to allow these men to have their freedom to say what they felt was hurting them as a people, as a religion. I was listening to what they were saying. I was there for a different purpose.


CNN: Let me ask you about what happened to you. These boys in the middle of this group and you find yourself surrounded. How did that happen and what did that feel like as a person standing there face to face with a young man who seems to be staring at you or glaring at you? How would you describe that moment?

Phillips: When I was there and I was standing there and I seen that group of people in front of me and I seen the angry faces and all of that, I realized I had put myself in a really dangerous situation. Here's a group of people who were angry at somebody else and I put myself in front of that, and all of a sudden, I'm the one whose all that anger and all that wanting to have the freedom to just rip me apart, that was scary. And I'm a Vietnam veteran and I know that mentality of "There's enough of us. We can do this."

CNN: The young man that was standing in front of you, what was he doing and what was he trying to do as you were playing the drum. Were you fearful? Were you trying to leave?


Phillips: That was exactly the thing is that I was there. I seen the mass of people. I had realized where I'm at and what I was doing, and I realized there was other people with me and I didn't want them to get hurt because there was 100-plus of these young men who were well-fed and healthy and strong and ready to do harm to somebody. And they just wanted that point of "This is it" and spring. If this young man thought that he was that point and what I was trying to do, I realized where I was at. I needed an out. I needed to escape. I needed to get away. I needed to retreat somehow, but the only way I could retreat at that moment, is what I see, is just to go forward, and when I started going forward and that mass of groups of people started separating and moving aside to allow me to move out of the way or to proceed, this young fellow put himself in front of me and wouldn't move. If I took another step, I would be putting my person into his presence, into his space and I would've touched him and that would've been the thing that the group of people would've needed to spring on me. Because if I would've reached out with my drum or with my hands and touched him, that would've given them -- I did that. I struck out, and that's not what I was doing. The song I was singing, the reason for it, was to bring unity and to bring love and compassion back into our minds and our beings as men and as protector of what is right. I was raised away from my family. I was put in foster care and so I didn't have a traditional indigenous upbringing. I was brought up just like these young guys were brought up. Well, maybe I wasn't Catholic school, but I was public school. And when I went back home to my reservation and I ask questions -- "Do you have an Indian name? Do you know where I could get some moccasins?" ... I wanted to know, and that cousin of mine that was sitting there, standing there and I was asking him these questions. He says, Go home, white boy." That hurt.

CNN: You told me you don't like the word hate. ... Why is that?

Phillips: I don't like to say the word hate. I don't like to have it in my heart, around me. It's just not a thing I want to carry with me. I did hate at one time. I hated people, places and things. I hated myself and it's just not a --

CNN: Does it feel like hatred toward you because the kids will say, "Oh we were just chanting our school chants and this person came in between us as we were chanting our school chants and we were not being hateful." What did it feel like to you?

Phillips: I'm sorry. I don't mean to laugh. Well, yes, I do, I guess. I heard that rhetoric before and it's just one of those things, it's got to be like water off a duck's back. Time for lies to be not accepted anymore. I don't accept their "I'm just chanting a school chant."

CNN: Was there fear? ... What did it feel like in that scenario for you as you were standing there sort of surrounded and the chants were going on and the young man was standing sort of in your face?

Phillips: When they said, "Let's go hit the drum, let's go sing, let's reclaim our space here" because this was the Indigenous Peoples March rally, and when these two groups came together and started that and I was witnessing as it escalated from just two small groups, then the other one just went back and got more people, went back and got more people, went back and got more people until there were over 100 people, maybe 200 young men there facing down what? Four individuals? Why did they need 200 people there other than it's hate and racism? They had their target. They had their prey. And so I wish somebody would've been able to stand in front of the 7th Cavalry and my relatives at Wounded Knee. I wish somebody would've stood there and said, "No, you can't do this."

CNN: We were talking about the issue between these two groups, the one was the black Israelites and the other was these mostly Caucasian young men. You were standing there and they were standing around you chanting. ... How did you feel? What did you feel that they were sort of doing to you or what are your feelings? Their response has been we were just chanting our school chants and we weren't jeering or we weren't making fun of anybody. We were just standing around and he just happened to be in the middle of our group, is sort of the way they're saying this went. How did you feel about it?

Phillips: I felt like I denied them their prey. I felt like I denied them their prey and so they were going to take it out on me.

CNN: Were they being hateful, just bottom line? Did you feel hate from this group of people? Did it feel like they were being aggressive?

Phillips: I do believe that's all I could feel, and I don't like feeling it. ... Fear, not for myself but for the next generations, fear where this country's going, fear for those youths, fear for their future, fear for their souls, their spirit, what they're going to do to this country.

CNN: One of the things they said is we weren't protesting against Native Americans. We were there for the March for Life and we were just chanting -- and this is kind of putting the blame on you -- and that this person came into our space and we were just getting all hyped up. Do you buy that?

Phillips: Not in the least.

CNN: What really happened?

Phillips: They were there looking for trouble, looking for something. Everybody knows the right to life and (pro-choice), it's been like this and they're hateful to each other. And it's because I'm a veteran -- I'm a Vietnam veteran -- that these two groups even have the right in this country to have protests, to have conflicting opinions. If they were doing that, they should've done that there and then when they come into public, that wasn't the place for that. That was a public forum where we was at. We were still under the protection of our permit for the indigenous peoples rally.

CNN: You dispute what they're trying to push off, which is basically, "We were just chanting our school chants and this person came into our space and we were just being happy-go-lucky kids."

Phillips: No, not happy go lucky. If they was happy go lucky, we would've been laughing and enjoying each other's presence and company because that's the kind of thing I like to do. I like to meet people. I like to find out where they're from, what they're up to, in a good way. But what was happening there, there was nothing happy go lucky about it. It was just, "Build the wall" and some of the things that I heard but can't really say I exactly heard that because it was way over there, and they could say, "Oh, nobody said that. It wasn't us who said that." So it's one of those he-said, she-said, things and what I'm saying is that they were very aggressive and they were very ready to hurt somebody. They just needed a reason. Whether I was the one who defused it or not, I wouldn't have been able to do it with out my relatives that were with me at the time. My other brother that was singing and the (inaudible) that was standing with me at that time. There were sons of us that were indigenous, we stood together.

CNN: Do you have one last thing to say, one message to these students that you would like to give to them? ... Also, thinking of them as sort of high school student, they're young. How would you sort of impart to them what it felt like to you and what you'd like them to know about your experience with them?

Phillips: Yeah, I will pray for them. That's what the whole part was was a prayer. The use of the drum, the song, that was a prayer. What I said to them at the end was, "Relatives!" and I got their attention and I said, "Make America great." They said, "How?" What they were doing wasn't making America great. ... the whole idea, the spirit of America, that wasn't it. That wasn't American spirit there that they were putting out there.

CNN's Eliott C. McLaughlin contributed to this report.

 

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37 minutes ago, Fat Point Jack said:

My wife and I went up to Bristol, Tennessee or was it Virginia the same weekend as the Florida vs Tennessee football game.  As she is a 3rd generation Florida Gator we had to wear Florida shirts.  One young buck said as we walked past, "Florida Sucks".  As I vote with my wallet, I doubt if I ever return to that those towns.

 

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8 hours ago, Not guilty said:

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That kid should lawyer up and sue for defamation

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4 minutes ago, Not guilty said:
Soon enough, the sound of a drum builds offscreen. Phillips, surrounded by several people with drums and cameras, enters the frame. The video captures Phillips as he walks into the crowd of bobbing teens.
"He came to the rescue," a voice is heard on the video.
People follow him, blocking the camera from what happens next.
Kaya Taitano, who shot the viral video, said the teens were chanting "Build the wall" and "Trump 2020." Those chants were not audible in videos reviewed by CNN.
 

Two days, two huge Fake News Stories. The media is self-destructing in real. 

It is now both rational and prudent for a conservative to view everything the MSA says as at worst an outright fabrication or at best a horribly biased distortion of the truth. 

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4 hours ago, Callahan said:

Hey Lark, Covington a rich white suburb! Are you on drugs? Check out the city data site for Covington's housing value, per capita income etc.  Point Place has considerably higher values and it's not a rich white suburb, is it?. Covington is a historically poor white sub Appalachian urban area with a gentrified riverfront. Do your homework. These kids are mostly middle class catholic kids who have 2 working parents and are scraping the money to provide their kids with the best education they can afford. Also revisit the video and see how many students had MAGA hats on. Not exactly all, nor is it a crime? Tell me, why did the elder native american approach and enter a crowd of teenagers? Especially when one of his cohorts had a video camera running to document it.  He had to go out of his way to confront the group of kids. Also, after seeing the full video, do you believe Mr. Phillips accurately described the situation to the NY Times?  

Covington Catholic <> Covington. It's not a public school, and catholic schools don't sort out geographically like parishes tend to. You can send your kids from anywhere to Covington Catholic, I imagine. Just like Moeller across the river, or Bishop Hendricken in RI where I used to live.

Also, Covington Catholic is not actually IN Covington, it's in Park Hills. It was started in Covington, but it moved to a new facility a long time ago. It is run by the Diocese of Covington though, which services something like 92,000 Catholics.

Back when I lived in Cincinnati, Covington wasn't much of a town, but it has changed with the riverfront, somewhat. Kind of like my old neighborhood out in Loveland but not as extreme.

I don't think the profile you give of the kids at Cov Catholic matches the "middle class scraping to get an education for their kids". It's no Cincinnati Country Day of Seven Hills, but it's not cheap - around $10K or so is what I read. Do you REALLY think that a lot of people in a town with a median household income of $36,000 are sending their kids there? Or so you think maybe they're coming from some of the more affluent areas of Northern KY, which do exist.

But the school, at a minimum, services the DIOCESE, not the town of Covington.

Most schools like this do not specifically require that you be from the Diocese or even Catholic, BTW. Most of the kids I knew that went to Cincinnati Moeller also went to our parish, but not all of them (that's how I knew them, through church). But kids came from all around Cincinnati to go to Mueller. For example, Ken Griffey Jr. lived in Beckett Ridge, up in Butler County but he still went to Moeller though it was a 30-40 minute drive to school.

And we definitely had non-Catholic friends that sent their kid to Bishop Hendricken.

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Why was this story news in the first place even if it were true that the Covington kid was disrespectful to his elder? Kids are disrespectful (and much worse) to their elders across the country every day and it's not national news.

This is only news because of identity.... Young, red hat wearing, white, male, wealthy, pro-life, Catholic , Republican on one side, and elderly native American on the other.  The story  checked to many identity boxes. It's only news because of its political usefulness.

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I am really curious why this is all about the Covington kids along with a lying Native American aggressor.  But what the Black Hebrew Israelites say is almost completely brushed over. I think those kids should be applauded for not reacting. 

But I guess if they were black kids with Hillary hats on you would hoist them onto pedastals and declare them heros. The hypocrisy is just shocking. 

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9 hours ago, Lark said:

I liked his description of the Black Israelites and used it.    Black Westboro Baptists.  You didn’t mistake that for a compliment, did you? 

He also said
 

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Phillips said some of the members of the Black Hebrew group were also acting up, "saying some harsh things" and that one member spit in the direction of the Catholic students. "So I put myself in between that, between a rock and hard place," he said. 

...

"The Black Israelites, they were saying some harsh things, but some of it was true, too," Phillips said. "These young, white American kids who were being taught in their Catholic school, their doctrine, their truth, and when they found out there's more truth out there than what they're being taught, they were offended, they were insulted, they were scared, and that's how they responded. One thing that I was taught in my Marine Corp training is that a scared man will kill you. And that's what these boys were. They were scared."

 

Maybe some of what the Westboro church teaches is true too and we should consider their perspective.

But probably not. They seem like assholes.

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1 minute ago, dogballs Tom said:

He also said
 

Maybe some of what the Westboro church teaches is true too and we should consider their perspective.

But probably not. They seem like assholes.

Tom, etc.

I’ve pissed off he conservatives, the liberals don’t seem to care.    My conclusion is everybody in this altercation is a villain.    

I am biased by first hand knowledge of Kentucky.   I don’t know Covington well, but have been a guest in rich white suburb there.   Maybe my view was incomplete.    Cincinnati is Kentucky light,    Kentucky is a less civilized version of Tennessee.    All three parties were willing to avoid violence,   That is as far as I am willing to go in anybody’s praise.   I’m doing the opposite of Trump.   I’m not saying there were good people on all sides.   The black Westboro Baptists unchristian hatred is legend..    The so called elder was a medler, and apparently a liar.   Trump’s Youth were in DC looking to stir up trouble in accordance with party doctrine,    Their hats show conservative Christianity is politics.   I’m not anti catholic.   As I have stated before. I’m of Polish descent.  My family isn’t Jewish,    I’m anti religion as politics, anti theocracy, and anti closed mindedness.   Some Catholic Churches are more closed minded then thrnJesuits, and reject science in the interest of theiir community interpitation of reality.   A bunch of Kentucky red hats in DC as a school outing was not a field trip to teach them about democracy,   It was religion as political protest,    It was all I object to, unless somebody can prove they were just teenage boys looking for good looking girl protesters.

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Not the best of sources but report of an earlier confrontation between the Covington Kids and a couple of bystanders.

"Catholic high school boys heckled a woman BEFORE confrontation with Native American protesters and shouted 'make America great again' and 'build the wall', according to victim who filmed the incident"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6618361/Covington-school-boys-heckled-woman-confrontation-Native-American-protesters.html

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9 hours ago, The Joker said:

Old man?  He is 64.  Not even old enough to have served in Vietnam as claimed.   

It was not a mob it was a group of teenagers waiting for their buses   

Clearly He thought he could provoke that kid Into a negative move to help his agenda. 

He failed and as more evidence comes out I believe his actions will not be viewed with sympathy,  but condemnation  

 

You may well be right about that, but it doesn't make the MAGA kids into good guys.

I don't know what -really- happened, since I wasn't there. But it looks more and more like this is one of those situations where there were no good guys.

-DSK

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4 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

You may well be right about that, but it doesn't make the MAGA kids into good guys.

I don't know what -really- happened, since I wasn't there. But it looks more and more like this is one of those situations where there were no good guys.

-DSK

What evidence have you seen that makes the MAGA kids not good guys?  They chanted their school chant.  Big fucking deal.  Seems like they are more on the goody/dorky side than anything else.

But what we really have here is your intolerance of everyone that doesn't think like you.  

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10 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

You may well be right about that, but it doesn't make the MAGA kids into good guys.

I don't know what -really- happened, since I wasn't there. But it looks more and more like this is one of those situations where there were no good guys.

-DSK

The new spin.

Everyone was wrong.  

Fuck that!

The kids did nothing wrong. They were the good guys.  Their only mistake was wearing red hats for the media and the left to focus on. 

Their responce is a powerful example of how to act when confronted by Adults pushing their hate filled agenda. Smile, return vile taunts with your school cheer and in all cases stay calm. 

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12 minutes ago, hermetic said:

does antifa go after the black hebrew Israelites?

This is a conundrum for Team Derangement 

BHI looks like a mirror image Klan

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Mike in Seattle said:

 

This is a conundrum for Team Derangement 

BHI looks like a mirror image Klan

 

Ya think? 

 

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43 minutes ago, The Joker said:

The new spin.

Everyone was wrong.  

Fuck that!

The kids did nothing wrong. They were the good guys.  Their only mistake was wearing red hats for the media and the left to focus on. 

Their responce is a powerful example of how to act when confronted by Adults pushing their hate filled agenda. Smile, return vile taunts with your school cheer and in all cases stay calm. 

A lot of defenders jump in to the rescue.

The video I saw showed the kids flashing 'white power' signs and yelling insults. They forgot to bring their lead pipes and KKK shields, I guess.

They had the sense to not escalate a potential riot where they would probably have gotten their asses kicked, hard. That makes them slightly smarter than the average MAGAette, but while they're "good guys" to you because they're on your team, they are not the good guys in reality.

-DSK

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3 hours ago, Not guilty said:
Actress Patricia Heaton spoke for many when she called on the media to apologize for writing off the the first video on its own, even though such apologies would not be sufficient to address what she described as irrevocable damage to the young men.
"These young people will forever have these smears follow them through their life every time they proffer their resume with the word 'Covington' on it. It will also affect anyone who ever has or ever will attend that school. The damage is incalculable," she said on Twitter.

Well, they always will have the hats...

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5 minutes ago, shaggy said:
3 hours ago, Not guilty said:
Actress Patricia Heaton spoke for many when she called on the media to apologize for writing off the the first video on its own, even though such apologies would not be sufficient to address what she described as irrevocable damage to the young men.
"These young people will forever have these smears follow them through their life every time they proffer their resume with the word 'Covington' on it. It will also affect anyone who ever has or ever will attend that school. The damage is incalculable," she said on Twitter.

Well, they always will have the hats...

Awe, pore widdle snowflakes..... actually, as we have seen in this thread, a small percentage of people will think the word "Covington Catholic" on their resumé will be a huge plus. But she's right, most of the world with view them with suspicion if not contempt.

That's what they get for going to an eltist prep school. Too bad, so sad, next time send your kids to genuine elite school, not a Catholic madrassa

I wonder how many of them can speak/read/write Latin?

-DSK

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56 minutes ago, Mike in Seattle said:

 

This is a conundrum for Team Derangement 

BHI looks like a mirror image Klan

 

 

 

uh, You didn't get the memo?  I have no team. I appear much larger than I actually am which is an enigma

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16 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

The video I saw showed the kids flashing 'white power' signs

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34 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

The video I saw showed the kids flashing 'white power' signs and yelling insults. They forgot to bring their lead pipes and KKK shields, I guess.

-DSK

Well that is because you are a fucking moron.

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3 hours ago, Dog said:

Why was this story news in the first place even if it were true that the Covington kid was disrespectful to his elder? Kids are disrespectful (and much worse) to their elders across the country every day and it's not national news.

This is only news because of identity.... Young, red hat wearing, white, male, wealthy, pro-life, Catholic , Republican on one side, and elderly native American on the other.  The story  checked to many identity boxes. It's only news because of its political usefulness.

Red-hat wearing a slogan, MAGA "Make America Great Again" Whatever they were doing they were not doing that.

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