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ISIS is all but gone from  Iraq and this month Green turned Blue. (google it)  I'm sure none of you are willing to credit Trump for any of this but Iraq may finally be over the hump. 

Now it seems Trump has a new target, Maduro in Venezuela. Ever since the days of the United Fruit Company and US meddling in South and Central America the US left has condemned our efforts to interfere in the direction of politics south of us.  

So we come to Pence and his rather direct call for revolution in Venezuela and the removal of socialist president Maduro. 

Are you appalled byTrump's campaign to overthrow Maduro or supportive? 

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I am uncomfortable with the US playing this game. 

Not because President Trump is in office.  Because we have engaged in this shit for decades and seem to pretty damned bad at it.

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23 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I am uncomfortable with the US playing this game. 

Not because President Trump is in office.  Because we have engaged in this shit for decades and seem to pretty damned bad at it.

UnIntended consequences.........

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2 minutes ago, warbird said:

UnIntended consequences.........

unintended or not it has been a shit show and the chances of a good outcome seem to low. 

NM do you support the idea of bannana republics? 

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36 minutes ago, HuronBouy said:

unintended or not it has been a shit show and the chances of a good outcome seem to low. 

NM do you support the idea of bannana republics? 

Yes, a shit show

 There is no way to control unintended consequences.

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2 minutes ago, warbird said:

Yes, a shit show

 There is no way to control unintended consequences.

Sounds like you are not in favor of us getting involved.

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6 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Sounds like you are not in favor of us getting involved.

No...tempting as it is...

...but funding an op with SAS or MOSAD.....

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I don't see it ending well. It's a lose/lose proposition.

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

I am uncomfortable with the US playing this game. 

Not because President Trump is in office.  Because we have engaged in this shit for decades and seem to pretty damned bad at it.

Yep

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Happy Jack and his elk just want to welcome a million Venezuelan refugees.

 

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39 minutes ago, warbird said:

No...tempting as it is...

...but funding an op with SAS or MOSAD.....

Bolsonaro has moved troops north. He doesn't like commies

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4 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

ISIS is all but gone from  Iraq and this month Green turned Blue. (google it)  I'm sure none of you are willing to credit Trump for any of this but Iraq may finally be over the hump. 

Now it seems Trump has a new target, Maduro in Venezuela. Ever since the days of the United Fruit Company and US meddling in South and Central America the US left has condemned our efforts to interfere in the direction of politics south of us.  

So we come to Pence and his rather direct call for revolution in Venezuela and the removal of socialist president Maduro. 

Are you appalled byTrump's campaign to overthrow Maduro or supportive? 

You first.  

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4 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

I am uncomfortable with the US playing this game. 

Not because President Trump is in office.  Because we have engaged in this shit for decades and seem to pretty damned bad at it.

True enough - we're better than anyone at the "breaking stuff" part, but, seem to lose interest in the "rebuilding" part way before that's been achieved. 

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1 hour ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

True enough - we're better than anyone at the "breaking stuff" part, but, seem to lose interest in the "rebuilding" part way before that's been achieved. 

Do you mean like Japan, Europe, Taiwan, Korea etc?  

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Just now, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Do you mean like Japan, Europe, Taiwan, Korea etc?  

we broke those? 

And what's your opinion, weasel.

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4 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Do you mean like Japan, Europe, Taiwan, Korea etc?  

I would suggest that, in addition to Germany, those are counter examples to the point currently being made.  We ain't been too fuggin' good at fixin what's broken in the middle east, Africa, SE Asia for the past 20 years or so.   IMHO - if we think we're going to go "fix" someplace - if we're not prepared to make the commitment analogous to what we did in Korea, Japan, and Germany?  That we probably should re-think our approach to that "fix" .

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1 minute ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Since starting this thread Trump has upped the ante by recognizing Guaido as Venezuela's president. 

Canada has recognized the guy claiming the president office ...

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4 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

F U

no opinion? what a pussy.

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7 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

ISIS is all but gone from  Iraq and this month Green turned Blue. (google it)  I'm sure none of you are willing to credit Trump for any of this but Iraq may finally be over the hump. 

Now it seems Trump has a new target, Maduro in Venezuela. Ever since the days of the United Fruit Company and US meddling in South and Central America the US left has condemned our efforts to interfere in the direction of politics south of us.  

So we come to Pence and his rather direct call for revolution in Venezuela and the removal of socialist president Maduro. 

Are you appalled byTrump's campaign to overthrow Maduro or supportive? 

As long as he doesn't decide to send troops a campaign of words is fine.

Let the Venezuelans deal with him.

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was this Trump, or just his advisors meddling? what's the commitment, what's the goal?

campaigns of words aren't fine, they are stupid jawboning that serves no purpose. 

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3 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

Canada has recognized the guy claiming the president office ...

Canada has not been acting unilaterally on this matter. Canada, along with 12 Latin American nations have said for some time that Maduro's election was invalid. I think the US action would have been a) more effective and b) less banana republic-ish if they had joined the multilateral action rather than acting independently.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-04/latin-american-nations-call-on-venezuela-to-hold-new-elections

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I'm not for it, but I will say one thing--

By trying to overthrow a Latin American govt, Trump is finally returning to at least one Republican norm. 

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Deploy the Simple Jack La-Z-Boy Warrior Division, stat!  Because nation building in the middle east is too complicated...it must be easier in South America.  The Best Americans need some redistribution sent their way!

 

 

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All Americans have just been ordered or advised to leave Venezuela immediately! Breaking news 

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18 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I would suggest that, in addition to Germany, those are counter examples to the point currently being made.  We ain't been too fuggin' good at fixin what's broken in the middle east, Africa, SE Asia for the past 20 years or so.   IMHO - if we think we're going to go "fix" someplace - if we're not prepared to make the commitment analogous to what we did in Korea, Japan, and Germany?  That we probably should re-think our approach to that "fix" .

So what changed? 

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Has the person who started this thread offered his own opinion?

If so, I missed it.

Strange to ask others their opinion but remain silent when asked the same in return.

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22 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

Canada has recognized the guy claiming the president office ...

Then he must be a great leader.

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Just now, SloopJonB said:

Then he must be a great leader.

I hope so... that country’s people have been hosed for decades.... they deserve a country they can flourish in.... 

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There is a difference. This is overt and transparent, unlike the secretly funded CIA ops of the past. 

I would like to know what our long-term strategy and the price tag are if this coup d'état or putsch succeeds. 

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7 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Has the person who started this thread offered his own opinion?

If so, I missed it.

Strange to ask others their opinion but remain silent when asked the same in return.

How to Never Be Wrong 101

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3 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

IMHO, Public/Political will to see things thru to the objective declared at the beginning of our engagement.  

We lost the will to win. We either fought to a draw or ran away after WW II. 

I call it the angst of the super-powerful.  

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Maduro's downfall was his decision to host a Russian Military presence. 

As for my view. It was long overdue. The Venezuelans have been suffering for too long. 

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10 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

We lost the will to win. We either fought to a draw or ran away after WW II. 

I call it the angst of the super-powerful.  

You are an actual moron. And someone eager to send others into harm's way.

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12 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

We lost the will to win. We either fought to a draw or ran away after WW II. 

I call it the angst of the super-powerful.  

I disagree - we kicked ass militarily - we didn't followup politically, with fiscal support and oversight to ensure that the objectives we had for entering the conflict were achieved. This, coupled with our relative ignorance of local sensitivities and priorities in the last few engagements ensured that no matter what military success we accomplished, that the desired humanitarian/political objectives were unattainable.  

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Maduro the little fuckwit dictator has declared the USA persona non grata cutting diplomatic relations.

Like any good dictator he needs a war to get people behind his little vision of leadership, never-mind he has virtually bankrupted the country.

Hopefully donnie don't bite, you can't have a war if one party don't show up, equally donnie needs a major distraction from the shit piling up around him, can he declare a war  or some level of intervention with the government in Shut Down?

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30 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

Maduro the little fuckwit dictator has declared the USA persona non grata cutting diplomatic relations.

Like any good dictator he needs a war to get people behind his little vision of leadership, never-mind he has virtually bankrupted the country.

Hopefully donnie don't bite, you can't have a war if one party don't show up, equally donnie needs a major distraction from the shit piling up around him, can he declare a war  or some level of intervention with the government in Shut Down?

He most certainly could, and Happy Jack would dance a little jig. 'specially if Trump sent in the J35 to bomb the corner grocery!

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"Like any good dictator he needs a war to get people behind his little vision of leadership, never-mind he has virtually bankrupted the country."

Are we talking about Maduro or Trump?

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2 minutes ago, learningJ24 said:

"Like any good dictator he needs a war to get people behind his little vision of leadership, never-mind he has virtually bankrupted the country."

Are we talking about Maduro or Trump?

Actually yes, both of the characters are interchangeable.

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24 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

He most certainly could, and Happy Jack would dance a little jig. 'specially if Trump sent in the J35 to bomb the corner grocery!

save those...they're pricey....send in the shitty j28's

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58 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

Maduro the little fuckwit dictator has declared the USA persona non grata cutting diplomatic relations.

Like any good dictator he needs a war to get people behind his little vision of leadership, never-mind he has virtually bankrupted the country.

Hopefully donnie don't bite, you can't have a war if one party don't show up, equally donnie needs a major distraction from the shit piling up around him, can he declare a war  or some level of intervention with the government in Shut Down?

Sounds so Nancyish.

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1 hour ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

There is a difference. This is overt and transparent, unlike the secretly funded CIA ops of the past. 

I would like to know what our long-term strategy and the price tag are if this coup d'état or putsch succeeds. 

Well, they have a lot of oil and handled judiciously they could buy a lot of F35s.

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2 hours ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

Canada has not been acting unilaterally on this matter. Canada, along with 12 Latin American nations have said for some time that Maduro's election was invalid. I think the US action would have been a) more effective and b) less banana republic-ish if they had joined the multilateral action rather than acting independently.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-04/latin-american-nations-call-on-venezuela-to-hold-new-elections

Why is it less effective?  13+1 still adds up to 14 and none of them are attempting to enforce the call for action.

 

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Lets face it. Maduro lost the popular vote.... The other guy should be President....... Right?

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18 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Well, they have a lot of oil and handled judiciously they could buy a lot of F35s.

Every now and then you have a zinger winner.  FWIW the problems of Venezuela precede Madura by many years - in the name of socialism (which doesn't work) it allowed massive corruption that killed the oil industry there and wrecked the economy.  The US needs to stay out of this mess.

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I knew I should have filled up the truck's fuel tank and all the 5 gallon cans this morning...... But I had help moving some lumber, and just couldn't let that get away......

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5 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Every now and then you have a zinger winner.  FWIW the problems of Venezuela precede Madura by many years - in the name of socialism (which doesn't work) it allowed massive corruption that killed the oil industry there and wrecked the economy.  The US needs to stay out of this mess.

They have oil.  There is no chance that the US will not get involved.  Wait.  What does Russia think?  

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5 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Every now and then you have a zinger winner.  FWIW the problems of Venezuela precede Madura by many years - in the name of socialism (which doesn't work) it allowed massive corruption that killed the oil industry there and wrecked the economy.  The US needs to stay out of this mess.

Yeah, I remember that last guy giving Obama a book on how to run a country.

And, I agree, it's not our mess.  Let it fall apart on it's own.  If Canada wants to intervene, so be it.

 

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14 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Sounds so Nancyish.

Sounds so stupidly boorish, the USA has fucked up a number of their well intentioned international dalliances.

Toppling Saddam without a Plan B?

Ghaddafi, the same, Allende in Chile?

One of the overriding trends tends to be a knee jerk against oppressive regimes especially ones threatening a free market capitalist economic model  and more importantly where  history of the region is totally overlooked in coming up with a proper solution.

 I wonder how many of the policy wonks have looked at the bigger picture here,   yes I believe Maduro should be kicked out,  I do believe he is inept however do we really know who we are supporting as a replacement, will the power go to his head as well?

Lets face it Donnie would look at a little war as a god sent intervention to the political malaise he finds himself swimming in and given his current track record he will still manage to fuck it up because he goes by his gut, no one else, nobody can suggest or advise or indulge in a big picture scenario.

You think  Boltons gonna help? 

If he would have his way,  there would be cruise missiles on their way to the presidential palace in Caracas right now ,  that's worked out winningly so far has it?

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3 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

was this Trump, or just his advisors meddling? what's the commitment, what's the goal?

campaigns of words aren't fine, they are stupid jawboning that serves no purpose. 

Advisors. Trump couldn’t find Venezuela on a map.

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1 hour ago, Navig8tor said:

Actually yes, both of the characters are interchangeable.

Maduro isn't a fat slob with stupid hair.

He does have the basics for a very good Saddam lookalike act though.

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1 hour ago, d'ranger said:

Every now and then you have a zinger winner.  FWIW the problems of Venezuela precede Madura by many years - in the name of socialism (which doesn't work) it allowed massive corruption that killed the oil industry there and wrecked the economy.  The US needs to stay out of this mess.

Socialism isnt the problem,  its the unrelated corruption, stupid!

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2 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Socialism isnt the problem,  its the unrelated corruption, stupid!

You're wasting your time - Americans are genetically incapable of understanding the word.

It's just a synonym for "Bad".

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4 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Socialism isnt the problem,  its the unrelated corruption, stupid!

Venezuela has many problems, a socialist system isn't one of them.  It's clearly more Dictatorial/Fascist.

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Sigh,  can anyone name a country that is Communist? And I mean actual communism, not just the name. OK, next - any successful country that is Socialist? The countries that I know of that are successful (meaning strong economies and happy folks) are some mixture of Democratic Socialism, the Nordic ones for example.

A lot of posters here are clueless thus labeling people communist or socialists.  Corruption is the result of too much power in too few hands which also occurs in unregulated capitalism.  sigh, I think I will go for a walk now.

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4 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Maduro's downfall was his decision to host a Russian Military presence. 

As for my view. It was long overdue. The Venezuelans have been suffering for too long. 

Maduros downfall was $50 oil

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Red herring. Trump is looking for external distractions and, like a good lemming, Jack latched onto it. Even with his (current) messiah taking the lead, Jack hasn't the guts to own a position on the matter. 

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3 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I disagree - we kicked ass militarily - we didn't followup politically, with fiscal support and oversight to ensure that the objectives we had for entering the conflict were achieved. This, coupled with our relative ignorance of local sensitivities and priorities in the last few engagements ensured that no matter what military success we accomplished, that the desired humanitarian/political objectives were unattainable.  

Korea a Draw. Vietnam we ran away. First Gulf war a Draw.  Taiwan a draw. Cuba a draw. Berlin a Draw.

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Jack still hasn't taken a position.  And yet, he feels comfortable critiquing and correcting (in his mind) those who have.

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Why can't we just go in and take all their oil? The invasion will pay for itself!

 

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7 minutes ago, Willin' said:

Why can't we just go in and take all their oil? The invasion will pay for itself!

 

LOL! The Trini's would back us up!..... Not so sure about the G/SVG group though....

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2 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Socialism isnt the problem,  its the unrelated corruption, stupid!

 

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Better dead than red

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11 minutes ago, Willin' said:

Why can't we just go in and take all their oil? The invasion will pay for itself!

 

Bolsonaro will get there first

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5 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

they deserve a country they can flourish in.... 

Why do they "deserve" anything but the shithole that they created?

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21 minutes ago, Moderate said:

 

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Better dead than red

But, he died rich.

 

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2 hours ago, d'ranger said:

Sigh,  can anyone name a country that is Communist? And I mean actual communism, not just the name. OK, next - any successful country that is Socialist? The countries that I know of that are successful (meaning strong economies and happy folks) are some mixture of Democratic Socialism, the Nordic ones for example.

A lot of posters here are clueless thus labeling people communist or socialists.  Corruption is the result of too much power in too few hands which also occurs in unregulated capitalism.  sigh, I think I will go for a walk now.

That Nordic socialism sounds good until you start talking to folks. 

The folks who scoff at the guy who pays  100% tax to buy a car.  Still bitch about the rich bastard when they have to bicycle in the rain and snow.  They also bitch about the cost of public transport a lot.  That also overlooks all the fiddles people try to get around the taxes.

https://www.fyidenmark.com/car-ownership-in-denmark-avoid-car-taxes.html

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30 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

That Nordic socialism sounds good until you start talking to folks.

Having talked to said Nordic people about their socialism, I call bullshit.

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18 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Having talked to said Nordic people about their socialism, I call bullshit.

I agree. Check the various national happiness indexes. Besides, Denmark, Sweden, et al are far from being socialist except to someone who things mainstream Democrats are left wing.

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Just watched a documentary on Mussolini.

These idiot Trump supporters are EXACTLY like the people who supported Benito - every single thing he did to gain and hold power is paralleled by Trump - every single one of them. It's like a friggin playbook.

Maybe Venezuela will be Trump's Ethiopia.

Where will he eventually be strung up by his heels? (By those same one time rabid supporters).

Maybe at Moron a Lago - Hopeless Jack would be close enough to participate.

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1 hour ago, Bent Sailor said:

Having talked to said Nordic people about their socialism, I call bullshit.

Soreass only talks bullshit.

It's his mother tongue.

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9 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I would suggest that, in addition to Germany, those are counter examples to the point currently being made.  We ain't been too fuggin' good at fixin what's broken in the middle east, Africa, SE Asia for the past 20 years or so.   IMHO - if we think we're going to go "fix" someplace - if we're not prepared to make the commitment analogous to what we did in Korea, Japan, and Germany?  That we probably should re-think our approach to that "fix" .

 

9 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

We lost the will to win. We either fought to a draw or ran away after WW II. 

I call it the angst of the super-powerful.  

 

9 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I disagree - we kicked ass militarily - we didn't followup politically, with fiscal support and oversight to ensure that the objectives we had for entering the conflict were achieved. This, coupled with our relative ignorance of local sensitivities and priorities in the last few engagements ensured that no matter what military success we accomplished, that the desired humanitarian/political objectives were unattainable.  

 

4 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Korea a Draw. Vietnam we ran away. First Gulf war a Draw.  Taiwan a draw. Cuba a draw. Berlin a Draw.

 

Ches said "the last 20 years" (ie, since 1999).

You responded "since ww2"... but your most recent example's from 1991 (ie, 28 years ago).

 

You two aren't disagreeing, you're just talking past one another.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Jack still hasn't taken a position.  And yet, he feels comfortable critiquing and correcting  (in his mind) those who have.

Wrong see post 38 quoted below

 

10 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Maduro's downfall was his decision to host a Russian Military presence. 

As for my view. It was long overdue. The Venezuelans have been suffering for too long. 

 

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1 hour ago, frenchie said:

Ches said "the last 20 years" (ie, since 1999).

You responded "since ww2"... but your most recent example's from 1991 (ie, 28 years ago).

You two aren't disagreeing, you're just talking past one another.

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Frenchie, do you consider yourself a smart person? Someone who informs themselves before jumping into a conversation? If yes was your post above a deliberate deception? 

My exchange with Ches did not begin with the post you quote; it began further back at post 16 which I quote below. You will observe that he does not qualify his original post with a date range.  

Furthermore, the conversation took a different direction when I asked the  "What changed" question?  You left out that post between the ones you quoted otherwise people would see that the responses of mine, that you quoted are divorced from the original Ches quote you started with. 

So, was that a deliberate act or an oversight?

Here is the entire conversation. 

Bus:  I am uncomfortable with the US playing this game. Not because President Trump is in office.  Because we have engaged in this shit for decades and seem to pretty damned bad at it.

Ches: True enough - we're better than anyone at the "breaking stuff" part, but, seem to lose interest in the "rebuilding" part way before that's been achieved. 

NM2: Do you mean like Japan, Europe, Taiwan, Korea etc?  

Ches: I would suggest that, in addition to Germany, those are counter examples to the point currently being made .  We ain't been  too fuggin' good at fixin what's broken in the middle east, Africa, SE Asia for the past 20 years or so.   IMHO - if we think we're going to go "fix" someplace - if we're not prepared to make the commitment analogous to what we did in Korea, Japan, and Germany?  That we probably should re-think our approach to that "fix" .

NM2: So what changed? 

Ches: IMHO, Public/Political will to see things thru to the objective declared at the beginning of our engagement.  

NM2: We lost the will to win. We either fought to a draw or ran away after WW II.  I call it the angst of the super-powerful.  

Ches: I disagree - we kicked ass militarily - we didn't followup politically, with fiscal support and oversight to ensure that the objectives we had for entering the conflict were achieved. This, coupled with our relative ignorance of local sensitivities and priorities in the last few engagements ensured that no matter what military success we accomplished, that the desired humanitarian/political objectives were unattainable. 

NM2: Korea a Draw. Vietnam we ran away. First Gulf war a Draw.  Taiwan a draw. Cuba a draw. Berlin a Draw.

 

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13 hours ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

Canada has not been acting unilaterally on this matter. Canada, along with 12 Latin American nations have said for some time that Maduro's election was invalid. I think the US action would have been a) more effective and b) less banana republic-ish if they had joined the multilateral action rather than acting independently.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-04/latin-american-nations-call-on-venezuela-to-hold-new-elections

This was mentioned last week.

On 1/17/2019 at 4:26 AM, dogballs Tom said:
On 1/16/2019 at 5:36 AM, Mid said:
 
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The regional Organization of American States has said it won't recognize Maduro's term. The May 2018 election that returned him to power was boycotted by opposition groups and largely discredited by opponents in Venezuela, with hundreds of complaints of election violations and a low turnout.
 
The Organization of American States said last week that its member nations voted 19-6, with eight abstentions, to not recognize the legitimacy of Maduro's government. One of those nations, Paraguay, announced Thursday it was breaking diplomatic relations with Venezuela and closing its embassy there.

 

Assuming all eight would vote for Maduro, that's still 19 to 14.

So if a clear majority of his neighbors think he's not legitimate, do we buck that trend? Why?

If not, the question becomes, who speaks for Venezuela's government?

I figured we were among the 19. We were not?

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3 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Wrong see post 38 quoted below

Which is not a position on whether Trump should intervene. Gutless coward and a liar. No wonder you're too ashamed to own up to your accounts. 

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14 hours ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

Canada has not been acting unilaterally on this matter. Canada, along with 12 Latin American nations have said for some time that Maduro's election was invalid. I think the US action would have been a) more effective and b) less banana republic-ish if they had joined the multilateral action rather than acting independently.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-04/latin-american-nations-call-on-venezuela-to-hold-new-elections

Calling for a new election is not the same as recognizing someone as head of state.

From Bloomberg

Latin American nations moved quickly to recognize Venezuela’s Juan Guaido as the nation’s president, further isolating President Nicolas Maduro. Recognition of Guaido as acting president came after President Donald Trump tweeted his support for Guaido, who heads the National Assembly.

 
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22 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Are you appalled by Trump's campaign to overthrow Maduro or supportive? 

Supportive.

I'm seldom a fan of the US de-regiming another country because we're so bad at it but that's not what is happening here.

We're joining his neighbors in saying who we will recognize as the government of Venezuela.

If Trump starts sending troops to look for 9/11 terrorists, my point of view will change quickly and dramatically.

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3 hours ago, Bent Sailor said:

Which is not a position on whether Trump should intervene. Gutless coward and a liar. No wonder you're too ashamed to own up to your accounts. 

That's about as close to staking out a position as you can hope to get from him.

Always leaves himself an "out", so he can deny everything he's ever said.

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