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anybody got the tiny link to the yellowbrick?

 

nevermind ... https://yb.tl/C6002019

 

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the start will be live on the RORC facebook page

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Discrepancy between entrants listed and ones showing up on Tracker? keen to see how the new Bella Mente goes? 

Proteus and Sorcha are listed as Maxi 72's entered but cant see them on the Tracker. Also a new Foiler called Black Soul 2. 

 

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I thought Scallywag was trying to get there in time to do the race?

Does anyone know?

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26 minutes ago, charisma94 said:

I thought Scallywag was trying to get there in time to do the race?

Does anyone know?

Antigua Sailing Week but I can't see any mention of the C600? 

https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/214168/Big-boat-bonanza-for-Antigua-Sailing-Week?fbclid=IwAR0xuCu3QpmNe_fU5ASiDuZiFsQOKCVfw0xikz1v481vxvVI23wvpio5oiE

 

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Proteus most likely a non starter, they threw the rig over the side while training last Wednesday or Thursday. Scallywag still waiting on there new bowsprit to be finished.

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Argo still racing I think? They are on the tracker. They didn't break the rig so quite lucky. 

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No in the above article they say they will not start.

Really quite amazing to not have broken the rig, a first for a multi more than 50 feet I think.

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57 minutes ago, yl75 said:

No in the above article they say they will not start.

Really quite amazing to not have broken the rig, a first for a multi more than 50 feet I think.

Yeah they are starting just a delayed start with Maserati 

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2 hours ago, yl75 said:

No in the above article they say they will not start.

Really quite amazing to not have broken the rig, a first for a multi more than 50 feet I think.

According to @soma, they will start - mast touching the bottom kept their bows in the air:

 

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NDT - Non Destructive Testing 

Can include but not limted to:

Ultrasound, Thermal Imaging, Dye/Crack Testing etc.

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So that’s all the 70 foot maxis out of the race then, if the two MOD 70’s make it round then maybe the moaners will STFU. :)

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Statement below from the Bella Mente fb page.

Bella Mente Racing has decided to retire from the 2019 Caribbean 600. Everyone is safe and back ashore. We appreciate all of the efforts from the RORC, Race Committee, friends in Antigua and family supporting us globally. Bella will remain in Antigua and switch to inshore race mode and prepare for our next race.

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4 hours ago, mad said:

So that’s all the 70 foot maxis out of the race then, if the two MOD 70’s make it round then maybe the moaners will STFU. :)

Seems like ShannonF's 40 footer is having a V70 for breakfast

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41 minutes ago, jonas a said:

Seems like ShannonF's 40 footer is having a V70 for breakfast

that thing looks like its on the edge of wipeout  on every tack....;-)

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Anybody know which Volvo70 E1 is?

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RORC:

We are sad to announce the retirement of Bella Mente.

Hap Fauth's Maxi72 Bella Mente (USA) was a shock early retirement, pulling up just after passing Willoughby Bay to return to Antigua. In the big sea state, the new design showed phenomenal speed, but the pounding proved too much, and having shipped a ton or more of water down below, turned for home. All of the Bella Mente crew are safe and well.

"Bella Mente has decided to retire from the 2019 Caribbean 600. Everyone is safe and back ashore. We appreciate all of the efforts from the RORC, Race Committee, friends in Antigua and family supporting us globally. Bella will remain in Antigua and switch to inshore race mode and prepare for our next race."

 

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If the Maxi 72 isn't the lamest offshore race boat ever, then what is.  All 3 have withdrawn for this race.  The couldn't do Newport to Bermuda recently.  It seems anytime there is actual wind or waves, they are at the dock, or breaking shit.  

Falcon has to be one wild ride.  They nearly capsized, or launched into space, not sure which, right before the start.  

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33 minutes ago, Roleur said:

If the Maxi 72 isn't the lamest offshore race boat ever, then what is.  All 3 have withdrawn for this race.  The couldn't do Newport to Bermuda recently.  It seems anytime there is actual wind or waves, they are at the dock, or breaking shit.  

Falcon has to be one wild ride.  They nearly capsized, or launched into space, not sure which, right before the start.  

The 72’s were never really built or designed for offshore, a circuit boat for inshore Med racing really. 

I hope there’s some footage available from a Falcon and from a helicopter etc. 

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44 minutes ago, mad said:

The 72’s were never really built or designed for offshore, a circuit boat for inshore Med racing really. 

I hope there’s some footage available from a Falcon and from a helicopter etc. 

I think there in lies the reason for the retirement? Sea state and conditions at the upper limit for the boat perhaps? Disappointing if that's the case? Certainly not the case for Momo which completed the Rolex Middle Sea Race and some others. With their withdrawal certainly a lame fleet for the race given it's history. Lucky Scallywag wasn't there it may have suffered the same fate? B)

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3 hours ago, jonas a said:

Seems like ShannonF's 40 footer is having a V70 for breakfast

How's that foot taste?

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2 hours ago, Roleur said:

If the Maxi 72 isn't the lamest offshore race boat ever, then what is.  All 3 have withdrawn for this race.  The couldn't do Newport to Bermuda recently.  It seems anytime there is actual wind or waves, they are at the dock, or breaking shit.  

Falcon has to be one wild ride.  They nearly capsized, or launched into space, not sure which, right before the start.  

I noticed that. They were less than a second from a capsize 

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15 minutes ago, Zero Gravitas said:

Phaedo?  It's not on the tracker or entry list.

Phaedo's track is previous record for multi's, along with the track for Rambler 88 for mono's.

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2 minutes ago, Parma said:

Zoom way in south of St. Johns using the link above.

Seems like a software problem. They were trying to show the record holder.

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45 minutes ago, Parma said:

phaedo tracker out?

it's just sitting there

Phaedo? Didn't see them listed anywhere nor are they in the highlights here? Most likely the record holding boat's previous track?

 

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6 minutes ago, Roleur said:

Phaedo's track is previous record for multi's, along with the track for Rambler 88 for mono's.

So is that just the mid way point on the course where the record holder is posted by design?

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12 hours ago, JonRowe said:

Bellamente officially retired on the tracker, no reason listed.

On instagram says they "shipped a ton of water down below "      No other details given

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6 hours ago, TPG said:

How's that foot taste?

Yeah was a little bit of tongue in cheek comment, although have to admit that they're pretty fast though. Probably interesting to gybe in 20-25 knots during the night

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On 2/18/2019 at 7:28 AM, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

Proteus most likely a non starter, they threw the rig over the side while training last Wednesday or Thursday. Scallywag still waiting on there new bowsprit to be finished.

Yes they lost the rig over the side in 52 metres of water. Maurice Belgrave’s team dived down to recover it. Amazing feat!

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10 hours ago, Parma said:

phaedo tracker out?

it's just sitting there

"Ghost Boats" are record holders from previous races.  You can click the check mark on the 'Teams' tab to show/hide them:

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5 hours ago, JMore said:

Yes they lost the rig over the side in 52 metres of water. Maurice Belgrave’s team dived down to recover it. Amazing feat!

Photos from Facebook  

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Those photos are spectacular

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Amazed by the match race between Nikata and Falcon.

Not clear how to look at them:

is the multimillionaire big-crewed supermaxi vs the cheap small-crewed cat or the giant and heavy monohull vs the ultra-light foiling machine?

Anyway this unusual and unexpected battles are among the reasons why sailing has no comparison with any other sports!

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16 minutes ago, The Weatherman said:

Amazed by the match race between Nikata and Falcon.

Not clear how to look at them:

is the multimillionaire big-crewed supermaxi vs the cheap small-crewed cat or the giant and heavy monohull vs the ultra-light foiling machine?

Anyway this unusual and unexpected battles are among the reasons why sailing has no comparison with any other sports!

You should check the price of that cheap cat before going out on that limb. David and Goliath maybe...

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8 minutes ago, Rasputin22 said:

You should check the price of that cheap cat before going out on that limb. David and Goliath maybe...

Relatively cheap.  Nothing about sailing is cheap in the absolute but a Nautor 60’ or G4 Cat is cheap relative to a JV115. 

 

There are many interesting races within the R600 but the races including Fujin and Falcone  vs the monohull monsters are super interesting.  

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27 minutes ago, Rasputin22 said:

You should check the price of that cheap cat before going out on that limb. David and Goliath maybe...

Cheap in comparison to a 115 foot superyacht

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1 hour ago, The Weatherman said:

Amazed by the match race between Nikata and Falcon.

Not clear how to look at them:

is the multimillionaire big-crewed supermaxi vs the cheap small-crewed cat or the giant and heavy monohull vs the ultra-light foiling machine?

Anyway this unusual and unexpected battles are among the reasons why sailing has no comparison with any other sports!

Yes, a lot of good racing going on including Fujin/Wizard and Argo is hanging in there with Maserati. One boat I find impressive is the very last boat in the fleet, Cabbyl Vane. They are going 5.5kts and like a week behind everybody, but they are still racing and leading their class.

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I'm surprised how SLOW Falcon is now. They were hanging right in there with Fujin. I'm guessing they have a problem on board. Not foiling at the speeds they are sailing. The fact that Fujin is match racing a V 72 is bloody amazing!

 

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6 minutes ago, jdazey said:

[T]he very last boat in the fleet, Cabbyl Vane. They are going 5.5kts and like a week behind everybody

That's usually Hot Stuff's role!

Speaking of Girls for Sail, what ever happened with the Georgina Mortimer lawsuit?

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16 minutes ago, D Wayne G said:

I'm surprised how SLOW Falcon is now. They were hanging right in there with Fujin. I'm guessing they have a problem on board. Not foiling at the speeds they are sailing. The fact that Fujin is match racing a V 72 is bloody amazing!

 

All was good up until Saba, in fact Falcon had made up some ground on Fujin by then (or earlier).  Then they started to diverge again.  Interesting to see if there is a story there.

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2 hours ago, The Weatherman said:

Amazed by the match race between Nikata and Falcon.

Not clear how to look at them:

is the multimillionaire big-crewed supermaxi vs the cheap small-crewed cat or the giant and heavy monohull vs the ultra-light foiling machine?

Anyway this unusual and unexpected battles are among the reasons why sailing has no comparison with any other sports!

Just laughed aloud in my office :lol::lol:

 

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2 hours ago, The Weatherman said:

Cheap in comparison to a 115 foot superyacht

Neither boat is even in "mere mortal" price range. Not even close. Pretty sure you can get into an offshore tri for F4 money.

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6 hours ago, The Weatherman said:

Amazed by the match race between Nikata and Falcon.

Not clear how to look at them:

is the multimillionaire big-crewed supermaxi vs the cheap small-crewed cat or the giant and heavy monohull vs the ultra-light foiling machine?

Anyway this unusual and unexpected battles are among the reasons why sailing has no comparison with any other sports!

Yeah and when they turn the corner look for the Falcon to possibly foil and make up her 10 mile deficit. Will be interesting to see if they overtake Nikata?

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9 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Yeah and when they turn the corner look for the Falcon to possibly foil and make up her 10 mile deficit. Will be interesting to see if they overtake Nikata?

The crew on a Falcon are gonna be battered by time they finish. Impressive sailing. 

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1 hour ago, mad said:

The crew on a Falcon are gonna be battered by time they finish. Impressive sailing. 

They have slowed right up. Nikata extending their lead and could be 20 miles ahead by the time they turn the corner.

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Looks like Falcon might be done..? Shit have turned around on the tracker and only doing 1.4 Knots? Another failure for this boat wouldn't be good. Hope it's only temporary?

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1 hour ago, jdazey said:

Falcon tacked, now doing 12.1 but Chim Chim and Olmix have caught up.

Yeah they must have had a problem and turned dead downwind to address it? They are making progress again but Nikata has gone.! Smoking at 17 Knots the big beast

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looks like the smaller boats, especially multis,  easily get stuck behind those  islands

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does anybody know what kind of rating adjustment protocol is applied to the double handed boats to keep them competitive vs. the rest of the fleet?

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Nice race for the TS42 (Guyader gastronomie), way ahead of level 3

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1 hour ago, Parma said:

does anybody know what kind of rating adjustment protocol is applied to the double handed boats to keep them competitive vs. the rest of the fleet?

It is possible to get a short-handed IRC if you are carrying different, ie less, sails. 

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10 hours ago, jonas a said:

Hadn't seen the Black Soul 2 before. Quite high tech design 

It already looks dated to me. 

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2 hours ago, Parma said:

does anybody know what kind of rating adjustment protocol is applied to the double handed boats to keep them competitive vs. the rest of the fleet?

No adjustment made unless they have a 2 handed certificate where they can alter their boat but otherwise 2 identical boats, one fully crewed and one 2 handed will both carry the same rating  

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8 hours ago, spyderpig said:

Oops

From Sailing Poland FB page (with special thanks to the butchers at Google Translate):

We have official information from our crew. Indeed, at the last stage of the race, the crew made a navigational
 error and did not correctly circumnavigate the Barbuda sign. Therefore, immediately after arrival, she reported
 this fact to the race committee and withdrew from the race, receiving RET (Retired after finishing). 
Because the 600 mile route was crossed and the yacht together with the Sailing Poland Race Team crew met the 
demands of such a difficult race, the Royal Ocean Racing Club recognized it as a qualification for this year's 
Rolex Fastnet Race. Thanks for your support!
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1 hour ago, Deed said:

From Sailing Poland FB page (with special thanks to the butchers at Google Translate):


We have official information from our crew. Indeed, at the last stage of the race, the crew made a navigational
 error and did not correctly circumnavigate the Barbuda sign. Therefore, immediately after arrival, she reported
 this fact to the race committee and withdrew from the race, receiving RET (Retired after finishing). 
Because the 600 mile route was crossed and the yacht together with the Sailing Poland Race Team crew met the 
demands of such a difficult race, the Royal Ocean Racing Club recognized it as a qualification for this year's 
Rolex Fastnet Race. Thanks for your support!

Notification and withdrawal is the correct thing to do.

Well played.

I think that RORC accepting it as a qualifier is a fair decision, but I think they need some stern words to the naviguesser.  A mistake like that could have some serious consequences near the Scilly Isles.

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There is a new technology called "Global Positioning System" that they should investigate.

If the budget is tight, it's possible to purchase handheld receivers for not very much money.

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6 hours ago, Svanen said:

There is a new technology called "Global Positioning System" that they should investigate.

If the budget is tight, it's possible to purchase handheld receivers for not very much money.

How very funny!  :angry: 

You must be the one and only navigator who never made a mistake.

You probably are more of a fucking vaginator with a Garmin vibrator.

 

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19 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said:

How very funny!  :angry: 

You must be the one and only navigator who never made a mistake.

You probably are more of a fucking vaginator with a Garmin vibrator.

 

TOP CLASS!!!!

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On 2/18/2019 at 2:54 PM, charisma94 said:

I thought Scallywag was trying to get there in time to do the race?

Does anyone know?

 

On 2/18/2019 at 3:19 PM, terrafirma said:

Just got to the States.

 

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Who was Argo in her previous life? Consise,if so it's not the first flip for that boat.

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