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AOC is Now the De facto Head of the Democrat Party

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It is now clear AOC has become the de facto head of the Democrat Party and she achieved this amazing feat in about 3 months.  Her rise to power has been nothing short of breathtaking  to watch.  The past week's events really demonstrated how completely she rules the party with the introduction of her radical Green New Deal, which was co-sponsored by the SENIOR Senator from Massachusetts and has been endorsed by all of the Democrats who have announced their candidacy for President in 2020.  Next she took on the richest man in the world along with the liberal Governor of New York and ultra liberal Mayor of NYC and beat all of them by causing Amazon to pull out of their plan to invest billions of dollars in Long Island City (estimated at $28 billion total economic benefits to the area on an investment of $3 billion in tax incentives based on meeting hiring performance targets).

Forget Nancy Pelosi, Tom Perez or any of the Democrat candidates for President - AOC has the ring Democrats need to kiss if they want to succeed in the party in the future.

What this means bigger picture probably spells doom for the party's hope to take the WH in 2020.

 

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Women scare the shit out of you, don't they.  Don't worry, Trump is going in the Trumpster no matter what AOC says or does.  Now, try to untwist those panties before you suffer brain damage.

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18 minutes ago, Barnacle Balls said:

yes.  she does.

Couple of thoughts - 1.you have zero understanding of how government works, which explains why you think Trump will deliver on his campaign promises. 

                                     2. You are a pussy.  

 

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42 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

It's about time some of those fossils moved on.

passing kidney stones is really painful and can take time. but they'll pass eventually.

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1 hour ago, J28 said:

It is now clear AOC has become the de facto head of the Democrat Party and she achieved this amazing feat in about 3 months.  Her rise to power has been nothing short of breathtaking  to watch.  The past week's events really demonstrated how completely she rules the party with the introduction of her radical Green New Deal, which was co-sponsored by the SENIOR Senator from Massachusetts and has been endorsed by all of the Democrats who have announced their candidacy for President in 2020.  Next she took on the richest man in the world along with the liberal Governor of New York and ultra liberal Mayor of NYC and beat all of them by causing Amazon to pull out of their plan to invest billions of dollars in Long Island City (estimated at $28 billion total economic benefits to the area on an investment of $3 billion in tax incentives based on meeting hiring performance targets).

Forget Nancy Pelosi, Tom Perez or any of the Democrat candidates for President - AOC has the ring Democrats need to kiss if they want to succeed in the party in the future.

What this means bigger picture probably spells doom for the party's hope to take the WH in 2020.

 

That’s like saying the J28 is the face of J Boats.  At least AOC is good looking.

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24 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

That’s like saying the J28 is the face of J Boats.  At least AOC is good looking.

And much smarter than J28. And she can dance.

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4 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

And much smarter than J28.

That's what I call damning with faint praise.

When my grandson was 3 he was smarter than J28.

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Yeah - that time I let you blow me when you offered me $20 was a drunken aberration.

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12 minutes ago, Barnacle Balls said:

I just figured you for one of those incels.

You blow incels?

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51 minutes ago, Barnacle Balls said:

I just figured you for one of those incels.

About the kind of brainless conclusion I would expect from you based on your posting here.

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I don't think she's 'the leader' but she's clearly the focus of the free media buzz and we all know what 14 months of free, nearly constant coverage can do for a political career.

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29 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Do you think she would make a solid President?

Compared to Trump? Oh yeah.

Compared to Obama? Even first term he was way  more presidential & knowledgeable. Constitutional scholar and all that.

Ocasio seems like, well, a rookie representative from Queens. Not presidential.

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45 minutes ago, cmilliken said:

I don't think she's 'the leader' but she's clearly the focus of the free media buzz and we all know what 14 months of free, nearly constant coverage can do for a political career.

Are you saying the media's NEWS judgment is driven more by the click potential of a story' rather than its inherent NEWS worthiness?

That can't be good for America. 

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34 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Compared to Trump? Oh yeah.

Compared to Obama? Even first term he was way  more presidential & knowledgeable. Constitutional scholar and all that.

Ocasio seems like, well, a rookie representative from Queens. Not presidential.

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What value is "presidential & knowledgeable. Constitutional scholar and all that." if he lacks judgment, a grasp of reality and common sense. 

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Hate to say it, but there is a grain of truth here. 

There is a battle going on for the soul of the Dem Party - just like there was for the GOPPERS (which in the latter case was won by the Koch Bros.) 

We progressives, AOC and many many others, aim to overthrow the rule of the Third Way corporatists who still run the party. The corporatists are free to remain Dems, but will no longer be able to frustrate progress on health care, wages and workers rights, the environment, women's rights, the military and much else. 

(Historical footnote - It was substantially the Koch Bros. who created the Third Way, and the Dems were stupid enough to fall for it. The Clinton's and the rest found all that money just too tempting to resist. You have to understand, the aim of our corporate overlords is to control BOTH parties, and they have largely succeeded.) 

AOC fully deserves the respect and backing of the party - not like those three Dem senators who backed ROBERT BARR for AG - i.e., The Office of Special Pardons. 

It's only fair: many of us backed the Third Way folks when we were called upon to do so. 

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2 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Hate to say it, but there is a grain of truth here. 

There is a battle going on for the soul of the Dem Party - just like there was for the GOPPERS (which in the latter case was won by the Koch Bros.) 

We progressives, AOC and many many others, aim to overthrow the rule of the Third Way corporatists who still run the party. The corporatists are free to remain Dems, but will no longer be able to frustrate progress on health care, wages and workers rights, the environment, women's rights, the military and much else. 

(Historical footnote - It was substantially the Koch Bros. who created the Third War, and the Dems were stupid enough to fall for it. You have to understand, the aim of our corporate overlords is to control BOTH parties, and they have largely succeeded.) 

It's only fair: many of us backed the Third Way folks when we were called upon to do so. 

AOC fully deserves the backing of the Dem party . .   

I'm with you. Please nominate her to run against Trump. It has been a while since we have seen a 48 state landslide. Vermont and Cali is my guess. 

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3 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

I'm with you. Please nominate her to run against Trump. It has been a while since we have seen a 48 state landslide. Vermont and Cali is my guess. 

You are a lying idiot - she is not eligible to run. 

I think I was wrong to take part in any thread started by Malarkey - Mr. toxic. 

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15 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

You are a lying idiot - she is not eligible to run. 

I think I was wrong to take part in any thread started by Malarkey - Mr. toxic. 

I didn't start this thread. 

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1 hour ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

I'm with you. Please nominate her to run against Trump. It has been a while since we have seen a 48 state landslide. Vermont and Cali is my guess. 

You didn't start the thread, but you appear to be the moron thinking she can run. Pathetic.

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Be nice!  Slappy Jack is a Canadian he has no clue about the age requirement to run for president.

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1 hour ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Are you saying the media's NEWS judgment is driven more by the click potential of a story' rather than its inherent NEWS worthiness?

That can't be good for America. 

It isn't. It's how we got Trump.

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1 hour ago, AJ Oliver said:

Hate to say it, but there is a grain of truth here. 

There is a battle going on for the soul of the Dem Party - just like there was for the GOPPERS (which in the latter case was won by the Koch Bros.) 

We progressives, AOC and many many others, aim to overthrow the rule of the Third Way corporatists who still run the party. The corporatists are free to remain Dems, but will no longer be able to frustrate progress on health care, wages and workers rights, the environment, women's rights, the military and much else. 

(Historical footnote - It was substantially the Koch Bros. who created the Third Way, and the Dems were stupid enough to fall for it. The Clinton's and the rest found all that money just too tempting to resist. You have to understand, the aim of our corporate overlords is to control BOTH parties, and they have largely succeeded.) 

AOC fully deserves the respect and backing of the party - not like those three Dem senators who backed ROBERT BARR for AG - i.e., The Office of Special Pardons. 

It's only fair: many of us backed the Third Way folks when we were called upon to do so. 

The soul of the democrat party?  Mouthpiece to gather the Bernie Bloc, perhaps.

I see her as the useful fool who gets to spout off whatever she wants without a hope of getting any of her agenda passsed.

Jobs for everybody?  Unemployment is at less than 4%.  If you want a job you can find one.  Yeah, I know the CEO makes more money.

Basic income for those unwilling to work?  Yeah, sure.  Finland tried that and is dumping it.

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The Troll Farm is busy today. Coordination of message is impressive but transparent.

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2 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

What value is "presidential & knowledgeable. Constitutional scholar and all that." if he lacks judgment, a grasp of reality and common sense. 

Hyper irony.

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3 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Compared to Trump? Oh yeah.

Compared to Obama? Even first term he was way  more presidential & knowledgeable. Constitutional scholar and all that.

Ocasio seems like, well, a rookie representative from Queens. Not presidential.

Maybe in at least 7 years when it's legally possible the question can be revisited.

Until then it's just more moot bullshit.

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1 hour ago, Fakenews said:

Be nice!  Slappy Jack is a Canadian he has no clue about the age requirement to run for president.

I'm sick of hearing that lie.

He's a Floriduhn.

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3 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

What value is "presidential & knowledgeable. Constitutional scholar and all that." if he lacks judgment, a grasp of reality and common sense. 

Good thing Obama didn't lack judgement, a grasp of reality, or common sense. You're projecting again. 

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1 hour ago, Saorsa said:

Basic income for those unwilling to work?  Yeah, sure.  Finland tried that and is dumping it.

One of these days you'll manage to remain honest for an entire post and someone is going to have a heart attack from the shock. Finland ran experiment on a mere 2000 people and the experiment has ended. They haven't "dumped" anything, they speak highly of the results they got from the experiment, and the expectation is that they'll continue working on the system for the betterment of their social welfare policies.

Seriously, Soarsa, you could have gained a little respect but instead you just highlighted that you're a liar. 

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2 hours ago, saxdog said:

The Troll Farm is busy today. Coordination of message is impressive but transparent.

That sounds suspiciously like a troll. You can be better than that. Try. 

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56 minutes ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

That sounds suspiciously like a troll. You can be better than that. Try. 

Oh for crying out loud, Jack. "No I'm not, you are" does not an intelligent response make. But just in case you think that the epitomy of wit: "You can do better than that. Try."

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4 hours ago, Fakenews said:

Be nice!  Slappy Jack is a Canadian he has no clue about the age requirement to run for president.

Simplified. Not all Canadians are idiots.

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21 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Simplified. Not all Canadians are idiots.

We know that. Hell, the move to Florida was probably to make him feel less inferior than his neighbours. Still inferior, surely, but less so.

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4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Maybe in at least 7 years when it's legally possible the question can be revisited.

Until then it's just more moot bullshit.

She can do a lot of growing/learning in 7 years.

If she can survive the crap that gets thrown at female politicians, manage somehow to keep her integrity in tact there's no reason why she, like any other reasonable intelligent politician shouldn't have a run at the Presidency.

The fear of this young woman from the right is palpable, I wonder why Trump hasn't got a nickname for her yet?

Could be he knows that she'd destroy him on twitter :D 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-17/donald-trump-has-he-finally-met-democratic-media-match/10803148

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3 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

She can do a lot of growing/learning in 7 years.

If she can survive the crap that gets thrown at female politicians, manage somehow to keep her integrity in tact there's no reason why she, like any other reasonable intelligent politician shouldn't have a run at the Presidency.

The fear of this young woman from the right is palpable, I wonder why Trump hasn't got a nickname for her yet?

Could be he knows that she'd destroy him on twitter :D 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-17/donald-trump-has-he-finally-met-democratic-media-match/10803148

Trump seems to fear strong women who stand up to him, e.g. AOC and Pelosi. When he senses weakness he attacks, like any bully. (One of) Hillary's problems was that she approached him somewhat passively rather than getting in his face. The debate where he 'stalked' her would have been the perfect opportunity. Historians will have a field day over the next century analyzing what goes on in what passes for Trump's mind. I see a lot of dissertations and books.

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11 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Do you think she would make a solid President?

That's an interesting question.  Why would you leap to that?  She is several years to young to be considered.

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10 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:
11 hours ago, cmilliken said:

I don't think she's 'the leader' but she's clearly the focus of the free media buzz and we all know what 14 months of free, nearly constant coverage can do for a political career.

Are you saying the media's NEWS judgment is driven more by the click potential of a story' rather than its inherent NEWS worthiness?

That can't be good for America. 

How much free publicity was estimated to have gone to President Trump in the 2016 Election?  And, look what it got us.

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Ocasio is a very useful lightning rod. Pelosi et al are figuring out how to use her, how much she and Bernie change the conversation, and where she needs to be taught to conform. It’s gonna be interesting to watch.

But meantime, she is absorbing so much of the GOPs time, energy & wit that they hardly have any creative juices left to advance their agenda or defend against Democrats more substantive decisions.

Btw, other than the wall, what is the GOPs agenda?

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10 hours ago, Mickey Rat said:

This scares you even more.

 

Do a search for my comments regarding Rep. Gabbard and get back to me.  I am not sure if it possible for you to be more wrong.

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31 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Ocasio is a very useful lightning rod. Pelosi et al are figuring out how to use her, how much she and Bernie change the conversation, and where she needs to be taught to conform. It’s gonna be interesting to watch.

But meantime, she is absorbing so much of the GOPs time, energy & wit that they hardly have any creative juices left to advance their agenda or defend against Democrats more substantive decisions.

Btw, other than the wall, what is the GOPs agenda?

Cut more taxes to ensure that future generations of the Best Americans can be even Bester. 

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12 hours ago, cmilliken said:

I don't think she's 'the leader' but she's clearly the focus of the free media buzz and we all know what 14 months of free, nearly constant coverage can do for a political career.

Not “the leader”?  She is wielding power more effectively than Pelosi, who should be “the leader”, at least until the Dems have a candidate.  Could Pelosi have torpedoed the Amazon deal?  Could Pelosi get all the Dem prezzy candidates to back a socialist power grab?

Re the free media buzz, she’s creating the buzz.  Look at how many Twitter followers she has.  The media has to cover her.  

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Hmmm

Seems Pelosi outmaneuvered Trump handily over the wall, and Trump responded by going full authoritarian.

If she engineers a split between actual Conservatives and the GOP, not sure you’re gonna be singing the same tune.

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35 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Cut more taxes to ensure that future generations of the Best Americans can be even Bester. 

Yeah - that’s it!  As usual, Sol takes a complex issue and boils it down so we deplorables can understand how Trump is screwing us.  Thanks Sol!

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1 hour ago, phillysailor said:

Btw, other than the wall, what is the GOPs agenda?

They have no intention of building the wall, it's a convenient distraction from their real goals:

  • Stack the courts with as many radicals as possible - got to set it up so that their power plays will be upheld in the future
  • Gut education and social programs - got to keep the little people too uninformed to realize what's happening to them, and too poor to do anything about it when they do
  • Reform the healthcare system so that it becomes a little more than a huge transfer of dollars upwards toward the 1% - got to keep the donors happy
  • Disenfranchise as many potential Democrats as possible - Got to keep power and the donors happy
  • Gut the business and environmental regulations, end protections for Govt. owned land and endangered species - got to go back to the good old days when the Vanderbilts, the Carnegies, the Fricks and the Goulds could do whatever they wanted, on the backs of whomever they chose, and with no consequences
  • Kill off the unions and the rights of govt. employees (any employees really, but we have to start somewhere) to collectively bargain - Got make it possible for the next band of Robber Barons that will support the GOP in perpituity
  • Re-engineer the tax codes so that our precious 1% can continue to absorb the profits of the nation's GDP and socialize the losses
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7 minutes ago, J28 said:

Not “the leader”?  She is wielding power more effectively than Pelosi, who should be “the leader”, at least until the Dems have a candidate.  Could Pelosi have torpedoed the Amazon deal?  Could Pelosi get all the Dem prezzy candidates to back a socialist power grab?

Re the free media buzz, she’s creating the buzz.  Look at how many Twitter followers she has.  The media has to cover her.  

You really have no idea about how this works.

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16 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

It's about time some of those fossils moved on.

It’s funny to hear you say that about Pelosi.

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14 minutes ago, J28 said:

Not “the leader”?  She is wielding power more effectively than Pelosi, who should be “the leader”, at least until the Dems have a candidate.  Could Pelosi have torpedoed the Amazon deal?  Could Pelosi get all the Dem prezzy candidates to back a socialist power grab?

Re the free media buzz, she’s creating the buzz.  Look at how many Twitter followers she has.  The media has to cover her.  

Pelosi is from California.  The amazon deal was a local issue for AOC.  She wins, she looks good.  Pelosi lets her shoot her mouth off as much as she wants.

Pelosi gets to torpedo the GND. FIrst step, refer it to a lot of committees for study. Lotsa noise, no action.

Meanwhile, nobody in DC really gives a shit.  But it sounds good to the young folks that you think it will energize.

The cycle will roll again

  1. Enthusiasm
  2. Disillusionment
  3. Panic
  4. Search for the guilty
  5. Punishment of the innocent
  6. Praise and honors for the non-participants

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2 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Hmmm

Seems Pelosi outmaneuvered Trump handily over the wall, and Trump responded by going full authoritarian.

If she engineers a split between actual Conservatives and the GOP, not sure you’re gonna be singing the same tune.

Dude - where have you been for the last 4+ years?   Ever heard the term “never Trumper”?  There’s been a split on the right going back even longer than that.  Tea Party, Freedom Caucus...  Ring any bells @phillysailor?

The folks that need to worry about a split are Democrats, because it’s coming.

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Wow - in the words of some of the greatest nutters here

making heads explode.  you go girl.

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Just now, Barnacle Balls said:

You seem to think that the whole right wing agenda is to make the 1% richer. 

Let's talk about crony capitalism in the modern age.  Let's talk about the silicon valley darlings of the left... facebook, google, amazon, apple, etc.  Huge companies that put the old telephone monopolies and railroads to shame in terms of sheer market dominance.  Let's talk about the enormous tax breaks and incentives given to these entities, shall we?

 

 

Please, by all means let's do so. You seem to think that I would approve of those things. I do not. the question was asked, "What is the GOP's agenda?" That is the question I answered. If someone had asked the same question regarding the Democrats, my answer would not have been substantially different, although the target of the wealth redistribution would have been broader. Both sides are playing only to gain seats and to keep their base just happy enough to vote for them. Neither side is looking at much down the road, and where they are, it is for their own self benefit, and not for future, long-term good of this country.

I'd personally like to see each party broken up in to three or four ideologically aligned camps. If no one party can gain a majority, they might begin to start thinking about working together for the good of the rest of us.

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35 minutes ago, J28 said:

Not “the leader”?  She is wielding power more effectively than Pelosi, who should be “the leader”, at least until the Dems have a candidate.  Could Pelosi have torpedoed the Amazon deal?  Could Pelosi get all the Dem prezzy candidates to back a socialist power grab?

Re the free media buzz, she’s creating the buzz.  Look at how many Twitter followers she has.  The media has to cover her.  

What I've noticed vis a vis the media is that she is now, by name, called out in group settings and is set up as the strawman right out of the gate.  For example, you'll now hear ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX used tag lines line 'AOC and 50 other democrats" to describe generic stories.  You'll hear see pieces where other democrats and talking heads are asked to comment on AOCs particular interpretation of something, as opposed to the thing itself.  It's all cult-of-personality reporting and is the same stuff they pulled with Trump.  "So Jeb Bush, what do YOU think of Donald Trump calling for a wall" as opposed to "Jeb Bush, what do you think of a Wall?".

As for leader, she's definitely pushing her narrative but I think Pelosi is far more complicit than people care to admit.  Here's an ugly little secret - the democratic leadership doesn't want to impeach Trump - not today and not on the evidence they have on hand.  They would MUUCCCHH rather have people talking about New Green Deal and having the perception that Trump should be impeached than actually have to roll out the real evidence and vote on it.

I do agree though - Pelosi couldn't (and wouldn't) have Torpedoed the Amazon deal.  I think you're right there.  That was AOC and the folks she empowers.

 

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5 minutes ago, Lifted Tack said:

 Neither side is looking at much down the road, and where they are, it is for their own self benefit, and not for future, long-term good of this country.

I'd personally like to see each party broken up in to three or four ideologically aligned camps. If no one party can gain a majority, they might begin to start thinking about working together for the good of the rest of us.

That is precisely what Washington warned against in his farewell address. 

All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.

However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

Unfortunately, that shows a desire to control others.  The only way you can break up the parties is for you to tell your representative how you feel they should vote on each issue.  Don't follow the party line.  It is entirely possible to support "a woman's right to choose" and "a wall".  One is a matter of personal freedom and the other a part of national security.  But so long as you have factions the 'leaders' of those factions will demand adherence to dogma as a means to gain and retain power.  If your representative is an obedient little cur then it's time to elect a new representative or at least vote for a minority party to reduce the use of a 'mandate' for those who get the position.

I still favor creating smaller congressional districts to give us a more locally representative house.  It would also help if the representatives were forced to live in their districts for the majority of the year.  No permanent offices in DC, just a collaborative area with 10 cubicles per state.

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16 minutes ago, cmilliken said:

What I've noticed vis a vis the media is that she is now, by name, called out in group settings and is set up as the strawman right out of the gate.  For example, you'll now hear ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX used tag lines line 'AOC and 50 other democrats" to describe generic stories.  You'll hear see pieces where other democrats and talking heads are asked to comment on AOCs particular interpretation of something, as opposed to the thing itself.  It's all cult-of-personality reporting and is the same stuff they pulled with Trump.  "So Jeb Bush, what do YOU think of Donald Trump calling for a wall" as opposed to "Jeb Bush, what do you think of a Wall?".

As for leader, she's definitely pushing her narrative but I think Pelosi is far more complicit than people care to admit.  Here's an ugly little secret - the democratic leadership doesn't want to impeach Trump - not today and not on the evidence they have on hand.  They would MUUCCCHH rather have people talking about New Green Deal and having the perception that Trump should be impeached than actually have to roll out the real evidence and vote on it.

I do agree though - Pelosi couldn't (and wouldn't) have Torpedoed the Amazon deal.  I think you're right there.  That was AOC and the folks she empowers.

 

Re the bolded part you are exactly right. 

Re the Amazon deal - no she wouldn't oppose the Amazon deal because it's in NYC.  But if Amazon had planned to build HQ2 in Northern California with a similar offer and both  Newsom and the local ultra liberal mayor supported it, but Pelosi opposed it because "big corporations", she couldn't have killed the deal.  The key point is that Pelosi is still a capitalist at heart.  AOC is not.

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J/28 wants to give her more credit and power than is due. Maybe he just thinks she's hot. Either way, he sure has a hard-on for her.

Query; do socks get hard-ons?

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8 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Simplified. Not all Canadians are idiots.

And none are as moronic as Hopeless Jack.

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2 hours ago, Lifted Tack said:

You really have no idea

Simplified.

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5 hours ago, chum said:

It’s funny to hear you say that about Pelosi.

Why? I've often posited that your senior politicians are too old...too white and too male.

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39 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Why?

Because despite totally not being misogynists - rightwingers need to single out powerful women regularly. Particularly if they are older.

Mitch Mcconnell is about the same age as Pelosi - and like Pelosi he's where he is because he's a ruthless politician. Somehow he's rarely singled out.

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6 hours ago, Lifted Tack said:

Sigh,

AOC isn't what or who killed the deal.

Sigh, yes it was.  Although Da Blahs blamed both her and Amazon, there was no way politically he could lay all the blame at the feet of another progressive, so he equivocated and blamed them both.

“A hot-under-the-collar Mayor Bill de Blasio tore into Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Friday as he blistered both the online giant and local politicians who opposed bringing it to Queens.”

https://nypost.com/2019/02/15/de-blasio-rips-into-aocs-amazon-opposition-working-people-want-jobs/

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7 hours ago, phillysailor said:

If she engineers a split between actual Conservatives and the GOP, not sure you’re gonna be singing the same tune.

Using the "conservatives" here as a sample (admittedly not the best idea) - that's not going to happen. Conservatives are rusted onto the Republican Party so solidly, you'll need an angle grinder to get them free, and even then it'll only happen with a lot of noise, heat, and the need for protective eyewear.

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15 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Using the "conservatives" here as a sample (admittedly not the best idea) - that's not going to happen. Conservatives are rusted onto the Republican Party so solidly, you'll need an angle grinder to get them free, and even then it'll only happen with a lot of noise, heat, and the need for protective eyewear.

I disagree. There are very few conservatives here. There are plenty of party boys. Trumpers are Republicans, not conservatives. 

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There are very few liberals here. There are plenty of party boys. Democrats are socialists, not liberals.

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48 minutes ago, J28 said:

There are very few liberals here. There are plenty of party boys. Democrats are socialists, not liberals.

Fess up, you're 12 years old.

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8 hours ago, Lifted Tack said:

J/28 wants to give her more credit and power than is due. Maybe he just thinks she's hot. Either way, he sure has a hard-on for her.

Query; do socks get hard-ons?

Yes.  If you wear them for a week or so and don't wash them.  Which could be the case.  12-year olds don't spend a lot of time in the laundry.

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3 hours ago, Bent Sailor said:

Using the "conservatives" here as a sample (admittedly not the best idea) - that's not going to happen. Conservatives are rusted onto the Republican Party so solidly, you'll need an angle grinder to get them free, and even then it'll only happen with a lot of noise, heat, and the need for protective eyewear.

"Conservatives" decided there was more money and power in being "Republicans". Examples are all of the C team grifters in the Trump admin/Trump court nominees many of whom pretended to be "conservatives" until they needed to be republicans.

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I heard, just today, that Trump is the De facto head of the Republic party.......

He's got McTurtle..... or what ever his name is.... from Kentucky. he's got Greasy face Graham from SC..... He's got.... Um..... He's got..... Ummmmmm... He's got a snatch of nobody's from fly over states who have no worries because they are all from farm....... Ummmmm families.................. That just got the iron rod shoved up their asses......

 How embarrassing will that be in a few months?

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2 hours ago, d'ranger said:

Fess up, you're 12 years old.

He's not juvenile, he's stupid and fanatical.

He's a fully mature ignoramus.

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3 hours ago, J28 said:

There are very few liberals here. There are plenty of party boys. Democrats are socialists, not liberals.

Are you stupid, stoned, or just a paid robot?

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I'll go with stupid for $500 Lefty.

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I'll go with stupid for $500 Lefty.

 

3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I'll go with stupid for $500 Lefty.

I'll cover that..... Anyone else?

 

 

 

 

 

I'm going to bed now. All bids must be in by 8AM EST on Monday.

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Can I get a side bet for "genetically disadvantaged"?

 

 

How about "fucked in the head"?

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13 hours ago, J28 said:

Sigh, yes it was.  Although Da Blahs blamed both her and Amazon, there was no way politically he could lay all the blame at the feet of another progressive, so he equivocated and blamed them both.

“A hot-under-the-collar Mayor Bill de Blasio tore into Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Friday as he blistered both the online giant and local politicians who opposed bringing it to Queens.”

https://nypost.com/2019/02/15/de-blasio-rips-into-aocs-amazon-opposition-working-people-want-jobs/

No, you're wrong. Google Michael Gianaris and then go back to bed and when you get up, try to base your arguments in reality.

What a dupe.

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She's a pretty normal sized kid spouting the usual idealistic dream crap that kids spout.

Sure seems to have the right wing lunatic fringe worried though.

I wonder why?

Could it be that they recognize she is smarter and more accomplished than them and they can't stand it?

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4 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

She's a pretty normal sized kid spouting the usual idealistic dream crap that kids spout.

Sure seems to have the right wing lunatic fringe worried though.

I wonder why?

Could it be that they recognize she is smarter and more accomplished than them and they can't stand it?

I think they are worried she may derail the gravy train.  I think ALL of them fear that.

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19 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

She's a pretty normal sized kid spouting the usual idealistic dream crap that kids spout.

Sure seems to have the right wing lunatic fringe worried though.

I wonder why?

Could it be that they recognize she is smarter and more accomplished than them and they can't stand it?

She is 29.  Why call someone out of college 7 years a kid. 

Not worried at all.

I think the radical young lefties, in this years freshman class are working really hard to get President Trump  re-elected

 

 

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I think trump is working really hard to make his re-election effort fail, as well as to strip the GOP of honesty, patriotism and Conservative opinions.

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Just now, phillysailor said:

strip the GOP of honesty, patriotism and Conservative opinions.

Already complete.

It's been his greatest success - by far.

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35 minutes ago, The Joker said:

She is 29.  Why call someone out of college 7 years a kid. 

Not worried at all.

I think the radical young lefties, in this years freshman class are working really hard to get President Trump  re-elected

 

 

Yep.  I'm not worried in the least either.  In fact I pray every day (I know, so deplorable of me) she and Omar and Tlaib keep doing exactly what they are doing, being all they can be, for as long as possible.  You go non-gender typed humans!

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10 hours ago, J28 said:

Yep.  I'm not worried in the least either.  In fact I pray every day (I know, so deplorable of me) she and Omar and Tlaib keep doing exactly what they are doing, being all they can be, for as long as possible.  You go non-gender typed humans!

Jesus loves prayers for the ruination of political enemies.  They are his favorite. 

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