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16 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

We supported the Shah because Ike was worried about Russian incursion into Iran, Churchill conned the Dulles Bros into staging a coup to depose Mohammed Mossadeg so that the "Anglo Iranian Oil Company" ( precursor to BP) could continue to steal Iranian crude after Mossadeg nationlized the oilfields after 40 years of the Brits screwing Iran out of the $$/barrel that they'd promised to pay.  

As I've pointed out before, we've been played by the Europeans so support their failed colonialism.

 

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50 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Apparently Monica never mattered.  Or any of the other Clinton accusers.

 

Is Bill President now? No? Then let's move into the present instead of living in the past.

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1 hour ago, phillysailor said:

 With respect to the bolded part, it is my opinion that Donald Trump, with rare exception, has not filled the ranks of government with persons capable of completing the necessary missions. As such, his maladministration is worthy of contempt, if not impeachment.

With respect to Bristol Cruiser posting his thoughts on PA  being equivalent to Russia’s manipulation of our electoral process you could not be more off base. BC has never hidden his identity, fraudulently presented extreme opinions to sow division in America, is not a ‘bot responding reflexively to posts in a directed manner, and he does not have apparent secondary gain.

This is an internationally accessed web site and DJT’s presidency is a topic interesting to persons around the globe. If you can’t stand his opinions, don’t come to this site and read them. Calling him a vandal is baseless and shows your vulnerabilities and demonstrates your  authoritarian tendencies more than it affects the strengths of his arguments.

People like you make me embarrassed to be American. You make us look like snowflakes and I resent it.

We've had good and bad presidents before.  America survived.

I guess I have more faith in it than you do.

Now, if we just had term limits on Congress things would get better.

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1 minute ago, Saorsa said:

As I've pointed out before, we've been played by the Europeans so support their failed colonialism.

 

At one point I thought that you actually might be semi-intelligent, but preferred acting like a moron. Now I realize that I was incorrect.

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Just now, Mrleft8 said:

Is Bill President now? No? Then let's move into the present instead of living in the past.

I didn't bring Monica up.

I know he's an embarrassment and probably one reason Hillary lost but, that's not my problem.

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3 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Are you capable of reading an entire sentence to determine it's intent?

I got the intent - I also got this deflection.

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1 minute ago, Saorsa said:

We've had good and bad presidents before.  America survived.

Indeed you have - but none remotely as crooked and incompetent as Trump, nor were they backed up by a spinless, crooked and incompetent Senate.

This game is unpresidented.

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3 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:
3 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Why are they illegal?

https://cmgwsbradiojamiedupree.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/michael-cohen1.pdf

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The Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, as amended, Title 52, United States Code, Section 3 0101, et seq. , (the •Election Act"), regulates the influence of money on politics. At all times relevant to the Information, the Election Act set forth the following limitations, prohibitions, and reporting requirements, which were applicable to MICHAEL COHEN, the defendant, Individual-1, and his campaign:

In summation - "Why are they illegal?"

Because the laws are written that way.

Jack may not LIKE that it is illegal.  Big deal.

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1 hour ago, Left Shift said:
1 hour ago, hermetic said:

I had a copy of the constitution hanging on my wall at college.  I signed it before I framed it.  four years of ivy eyes looking at it, and no one picked that up.

Probably be a good idea to have the presidents and congress critters sign it too!  Kind of like a terms of service agreement.

Just don't call it an MOU.

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58 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Apparently Monica never mattered.  Or any of the other Clinton accusers.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

I didn't bring Monica up.

I know he's an embarrassment and probably one reason Hillary lost but, that's not my problem.

Really?

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5 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

In summation - "Why are they illegal?"

Because the laws are written that way.

Jack may not LIKE that it is illegal.  Big deal.

Why are they illegal? 

Because most people, with the notable exceptions of Donald tRump, Mitch McConnell, the NRA, you and other trolls on this site, don't really like undeclared and uncontrolled money distorting our stumbling democracy any more than it has already.

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25 minutes ago, Saorsa said:
  42 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

We supported the Shah because Ike was worried about Russian incursion into Iran, Churchill conned the Dulles Bros into staging a coup to depose Mohammed Mossadeg so that the "Anglo Iranian Oil Company" ( precursor to BP) could continue to steal Iranian crude after Mossadeg nationlized the oilfields after 40 years of the Brits screwing Iran out of the $$/barrel that they'd promised to pay.  

 

As I've pointed out before, we've been played by the Europeans so support their failed colonialism.

 

I'm pretty sure that no one ever "conned" the Dulles brothers.  Conspired with, certainly.  Plotted and finagled with, yep.  But John Foster and Allan were fully dry behind the ears, those two.  

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1 hour ago, Saorsa said:

I'm a pragmatist.  I recognize current states and adapt to them.  I have never joined a political party and do not profess a religion.  I do see that they are a part of our society and see what they contribute to it and what harm they do.  That does not make me a supporter.

I've already said, on several occasions, that Trump is a loudmouthed New York asshole.  I've already said that Trump is the president and I think as much of him as I did 2nd Lieutenants who I saluted because of the office they held; not because they did anything that merited my respect.  I did so because respect for the office is the way organizations work.  The way they succeed is to fill those offices with people capable of dealing with the mission organization.

If you are not an American then you, by putting forth your views on this bulletin board, are acting exactly as the Russians did by creating social media posts and developing memes that others picked up.  You are attempting to influence American's thought on their politics for some reason, I don't know or care whether it is simply disruptive vandalism or if you have something to gain but, as most folks tell Americans who tell them how to run their country, it's none of your fucking business.

Jimmy Carter may well have been a very decent man.  That didn't make him a good president.  During his term in office we had the Iranian revolution against a regime we supported for no particularly good reason.  The result of that was the 1979 oil crisis and American diplomats and citizens were held hostage for 444 days.

I did not defend Nixon and I am not defending Trump.  I don't particularly give a shit whether he is re-elected or not.

I know who and what I am, but the delusions here are amusing.

 

 

Last time I checked , us foreigners have more respect for your institutions than apparently a large chunk of your own population.

And we're not telling you how to run your country. We're whispering in your ear that your new bud seems to be a bit of a wanker.

Sorry, that was an opinion.

 

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Saorsa doesn't seem to remember that the "oil crisis" was manufactured by Ronald Reagan's team of merry tricksters, and that they delayed the release of the hostages to influence the election in 1980.....

 Remember "Iran Contra"?

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3 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Saorsa doesn't seem to remember that the "oil crisis" was manufactured by Ronald Reagan's team of merry tricksters, and that they delayed the release of the hostages to influence the election in 1980.....

 Remember "Iran Contra"?

I certainly remember the fleet of full-to-the-brim oil tankers parked out in Boston harbor not unloading for weeks, as the gasoline lines went around the block and prices soared.  They got away with it, too.  

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1 hour ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

We supported the Shah because Ike was worried about Russian incursion into Iran, Churchill conned the Dulles Bros into staging a coup to depose Mohammed Mossadeg so that the "Anglo Iranian Oil Company" ( precursor to BP) could continue to steal Iranian crude after Mossadeg nationlized the oilfields after 40 years of the Brits screwing Iran out of the $$/barrel that they'd promised to pay.  

Eisenhower could have supported Mosaddegh who as a nationalist detested the Brits+Russkies equally. I think Churchill conned the Dulles and Eisenhower into doing their bidding. Similarly, we could have back Ho Chi Minh, also a nationalist. Instead the Dulles drove them into the Soviet orbit.

But the buck stopped with Eisenhower which pains me as I rather admire him otherwise.

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19 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Saorsa doesn't seem to remember that the "oil crisis" was manufactured by Ronald Reagan's team of merry tricksters, and that they delayed the release of the hostages to influence the election in 1980.....

 Remember "Iran Contra"?

Care to enlighten the class. The oil crisis that most talk about Took place in the 70’s.  1973 and 1979 to be exact.  Reagan didn’t take office until 81. 

 

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1 hour ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

We supported the Shah because Ike was worried about Russian incursion into Iran, Churchill conned the Dulles Bros into staging a coup to depose Mohammed Mossadeg so that the "Anglo Iranian Oil Company" ( precursor to BP) could continue to steal Iranian crude after Mossadeg nationlized the oilfields after 40 years of the Brits screwing Iran out of the $$/barrel that they'd promised to pay.  

that's the specific for this, yes. and we might have done something different in this case. but the broad reason why was because the western we needed willing and reasonably complacent suppliers of oil. Lots of them. That's our economic and strategic reality. So if you insists the US needs more fossil fuels and more fossil fuel consumption - like Soreass does - you accept the need for interventions to protect strategic assets like oil from time to time. there's no way around it. to pretend otherwise is to be a spoiled child; but that's my view of his politics.

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42 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

we could have back Ho Chi Minh, also a nationalist. Instead the Dulles drove them into the Soviet orbit.

But the buck stopped with Eisenhower which pains me as I rather admire him otherwise.

Likewise Castro and Cuba

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Trump’s a racist conman – and that’s the brand America bought

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Trump supporters long ago decided to discount, dismiss, disbelieve, indulge, ignore, endorse, excuse or otherwise rationalise his appalling behaviour. Evidence of sexual harassment, misogyny, bigotry and lying were all fully apparent when they put him in the White House. Back then 81% of white evangelicals voted for the man who had five children from three different women (imagine for a second what they would have made of Barack Obama if he’d had that kind of personal life). Since then we have learned that Trump had an affair with a Playboy model a few months after his third wife gave birth to their son, and then cheated on both of them with a porn actor. Today 71% of white evangelicals still support him. It’s not that his base don’t know. It’s that they have found a way not to care.

So when Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen, calls him a “racist” a “cheat” and a “conman” during testimony before Congress yesterday, don’t expect normal rules to apply.

Been saying this since he got elected. Republicans knew what kind of man Trump was from the beginning. Being told, again, that he is racist, sexist, dishonest, etc will have no effect on them because already they knew all that and voted for him fully informed about this. The Republicans got the President they wanted, Cohen would have to tell them he was secretly planning to join the Democrats for them to disown him. 

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The simple fact is: If you apologize to god, you are forgiven all of your sins. You can go out whoring on Thursday night when you told your wife and daughter that you had a late meeting. You can get a pint of Lord Calvert at the drive-thru (The lord provides), and hang out with your buddy and his wife, and his wife's slutty cousin on Saturday while you were supposedly mending a broken fence, and you can even skip church on Sunday, while your wife and daughter, and son go and listen to the drone, as long as you ask your personal god for forgiveness.....

 This is all true.

 The apostles never expected anyone to live a pure life, they just wanted you to acknowledge that you were a sinner....

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4 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

The simple fact is: If you apologize to god AND GIVE PLENTY OF MONEY TO THE PREACHERMAN FOR HIS NEW AIRPLANE, you are forgiven all of your sins. You can go out whoring on Thursday night when you told your wife and daughter that you had a late meeting. You can get a pint of Lord Calvert at the drive-thru (The lord provides), and hang out with your buddy and his wife, and his wife's slutty cousin on Saturday while you were supposedly mending a broken fence, and you can even skip church on Sunday, while your wife and daughter, and son go and listen to the drone, as long as you ask your personal god for forgiveness.....

 This is all true.

 The apostles never expected anyone to live a pure life, they just wanted you to acknowledge that you were a sinner...AND GIVE PLENTY OF MONEY TO THE PREACHERMAN FOR HIS NEW AIRPLANE.

Fixed

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3 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Fixed

Yeah, but that's a more modern phenomenon..... In the old days they just wanted vast estates with vineyards, and lots of young boys to serve them.....

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3 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Saorsa doesn't seem to remember that the "oil crisis" was manufactured by Ronald Reagan's team of merry tricksters, and that they delayed the release of the hostages to influence the election in 1980.....

 Remember "Iran Contra"?

So, Carter was that ineffective as president?  The oil crisis was in 1979 Carter lost because he was ineffective even before Reagan was even nominated as the republican candidate in July of 1980.

quote from Wiki

Carter's speech argued the oil crisis was "the moral equivalent of war". Critics, then and now, argued that his varied proposals would make the situation worse, not better.[18] In November 1979, Iranian revolutionaries seized the American Embassy, and Carter imposed an embargo against Iranian oil.[19] In January 1980, he issued the Carter Doctrine, declaring: "An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States."[20] Additionally, as part of his administration's efforts at deregulation, Carter proposed removing price controls that had been imposed by the administration of Richard Nixon before the 1973 crisis. Carter agreed to remove price controls in phases; they were finally dismantled in 1981 under Reagan.[21] Carter also said he would impose a windfall profit tax on oil companies.[22] While the regulated price of domestic oil was kept to $6 a barrel, the world market price was $30.[22]

Yes, I remember Iran-Contra.  What does that have to do with Carter?

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1 hour ago, Mrleft8 said:

Yeah, but that's a more modern phenomenon..... In the old days they just wanted vast estates with vineyards, and lots of young boys to serve them.....

 

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I can't wait to hear Sean Hannity's testimony under oath, now that he made himself a fact witness.  

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1 minute ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

I can't wait to hear Sean Hannity's testimony under oath, now that he made himself a fact witness.  

Wait until he suddenly realizes that perjury can have consequences, unlike his brand of journalism also known as entertainment.

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37 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

I can't wait to hear Sean Hannity's testimony under oath, now that he made himself a fact witness.  

What facts?

That prick is nothing BUT lies.

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

What facts?

That prick is nothing BUT lies.

He claimed that Cohen told him that Trump knew nothing about the payments. That makes him a fact witness whose testimony the committee needs. 

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Hannity would sell his mother to the French if it got him headlines, and a pay increase.

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17 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

He claimed that Cohen told him that Trump knew nothing about the payments. That makes him a fact witness whose testimony the committee needs. 

"Umm, Congressman, I don't recall talking to Mr Cohen about any of this. Oh, that chat with the Prezident? Just a little doggy-style for the audience.  Can I go now?"

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7 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

I can't wait to hear Sean Hannity's testimony under oath, now that he made himself a fact witness.  

I saw the interview he did with Trump.  Sean had this look on his face that silently screamed "Oh shit, Rick Wilson was right- Everything Trump Touches Dies.  Shit shit shit shit...."   Sean looked like he'd been weeping for days, and to his credit, he didn't cry on air.

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8 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

He claimed that Cohen told him that Trump knew nothing about the payments. That makes him a fact witness whose testimony the committee needs. 

I guess that since he's denied that Cohen was ever his lawyer the whole client attorney thingy is right out the window too. 

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10 minutes ago, Mark K said:

I guess that since he's denied that Cohen was ever his lawyer the whole client attorney thingy is right out the window too. 

Awkward written all over it for normal people but we ain't talking normal here are we.

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42 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

Awkward written all over it for normal people but we ain't talking normal here are we.

So you don’t buy into  Hannity’s ‘average Joe’ schtick?  

I just have to say Gosh!  Gosh almighty!

;)

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58 minutes ago, Mark K said:

I guess that since he's denied that Cohen was ever his lawyer the whole client attorney thingy is right out the window too. 

This is bad!

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9 minutes ago, Amati said:

This is bad!

Hannity is a major POS. This is good. Short of spontaneous human combustion, I can't imagine a better fate.

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You KNOW Hannity is thinking....hmm....no emails, no letters, so no paper trail.  I'm clear.  SURE, I'll testify to Congress.  

Oh wait, Cohen recorded shit.  And Trump used a speaker phone a lot.

NOW WHAT?

 

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19 minutes ago, Mike G said:

You KNOW Hannity is thinking....hmm....no emails, no letters, so no paper trail.  I'm clear.  SURE, I'll testify to Congress.  

Oh wait, Cohen recorded shit.  And Trump used a speaker phone a lot.

NOW WHAT?

 

“I don’t recall”

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4 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

“I don’t recall”

Yeah, He'll fold.  He's a smart guy, that's for sure.  Smart enough to convince dumb people that they're smart.

Ted Koppel had it right.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/03/27/ted-koppel-sean-hannity-cbs-sje-mobile-orig.cnn

You have determined that ideology is more important than facts.

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On 3/1/2019 at 7:43 AM, Saorsa said:

Jimmy Carter may well have been a very decent man.  That didn't make him a good president.  During his term in office we had the Iranian revolution against a regime we supported for no particularly good reason.  The result of that was the 1979 oil crisis and American diplomats and citizens were held hostage for 444 days.

The reason would have been because the us-imposed stooge government was rejected by the residents of the country...

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59 minutes ago, Battlecheese said:

The reason would have been because the us-imposed stooge government was rejected by the residents of the country...

Yep, leave nation building to the Euros.  They think they are so damn good at it.

 

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15 hours ago, Amati said:

This is bad!

Depends on what Cohen did for Hannity. Cohen claimed Hannity was a client but Hannity denied it, just said that Cohen helped him with some business dealings. It's now apparent Cohen's business dealings were on the sketchy side much of the time.  

  Just for the record, I have grave doubts as to Congress's interest in having that clown for a sitting There is an over-abundance of clowns at the moment. 

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14 hours ago, Mike G said:

Yeah, He'll fold.  He's a smart guy, that's for sure.  Smart enough to convince dumb people that they're smart.

Ted Koppel had it right.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/03/27/ted-koppel-sean-hannity-cbs-sje-mobile-orig.cnn

You have determined that ideology is more important than facts.

And that is what is in power now. 

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15 hours ago, Raz'r said:

“I don’t recall”

Like Manafort: I mis-remembered. :huh::lol:

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1 hour ago, Mark K said:

Depends on what Cohen did for Hannity. Cohen claimed Hannity was a client but Hannity denied it, just said that Cohen helped him with some business dealings. It's now apparent Cohen's business dealings were on the sketchy side much of the time.  

  Just for the record, I have grave doubts as to Congress's interest in having that clown for a sitting There is an over-abundance of clowns at the moment. 

Senate committee panel

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5 hours ago, Mark K said:

Depends on what Cohen did for Hannity. Cohen claimed Hannity was a client but Hannity denied it, just said that Cohen helped him with some business dealings. It's now apparent Cohen's business dealings were on the sketchy side much of the time.  

  Just for the record, I have grave doubts as to Congress's interest in having that clown for a sitting There is an over-abundance of clowns at the moment. 

They needed a recap of the last couple of years efforts to start a do-over.

OMG, he told Ocasio-Cortez to demand his tax returns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man, oh, man  Got his ass this time!!!!!!!

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14 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Yep, leave nation building to the Euros.  They think they are so damn good at it.

Nobody doesn't not nation build quite like Republicans don't. And their kind of not nation building pays for itself. After all, you wouldn't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.

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On 3/1/2019 at 10:56 PM, Mike G said:

Yeah, He'll fold.  He's a smart guy, that's for sure.  Smart enough to convince dumb people that they're smart.

Ted Koppel had it right.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/03/27/ted-koppel-sean-hannity-cbs-sje-mobile-orig.cnn

You have determined that ideology is more important than facts.

How much is real to these guys?  I was at some dumbshit party at MIT in the early 70’s, and a bunch of Ayn Rand acolytes we’re running this stupid game of ‘prove you exist’ (one of Ayn’s favorite parlor games, apparently), and as I was watching this unproductive intellectual circle jerk, one of the dweebs (sic) comes over and challenges me, sneering at the hippy with the hair halfway down his back, and a beard down to my stomach (me).

So I whacked him across the face.  Open hand.  They looked stunned.  My inquisitor started crying and blurted out “why did you do that”?  And the assistant professor of poetry sitting next to me (a Viet Nam combat vet who had specialized in clearing out Viet Cong tunnels ) said very quietly “proving he exists”.  

These Ayn Rand types are now the leaders of the neo conservative political movement.  Like Bolton, Hannity, or Trump, they talk a lot, but being the effete condescending elite they are, they send other guys and gals to do the fighting. ( I can’t say a lot for Atlantic Magazine neo liberals who espouse the same sort of bs either, for that matter....)

And before anybody gets on my case for not serving, my family lost 3 out of 4 of my male cousins during Viet Nam.  We lived under the flight path of the Black C5a’s that brought back the bodies from the war every Monday (IIRR) to McChord AFB, and we used to stand outside and count how many of them came in, in formation.  Every week, for years.  Friends came back on those planes, in body bags.

And then there’s the economic cost of neo conservative ideology, which has been pretty real too.  But I’ve never known a neo, or otherwise, conservative that has been brought to their knees by war or right wing economic ideology.  Weird.  Or they just don’t admit it?  

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Some talk about Trump attempting to buy Cohen’s silence with a pardon. If that’s proven, one would think it would be explosive. But it probably wouldn’t budge the faithful. 

From the Washington Post -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/lawmakers-exploring-possible-pardon-talks-involving-michael-cohen/2019/03/02/35dfd94e-3b88-11e9-aaae-69364b2ed137_story.html

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Privately, lawmakers on the House and Senate intelligence committees pressed Cohen this week on whether he had had any discussions about a possible pardon, and if so, when and with whom those conversations took place, the people said. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because the testimony was not public.

It was not immediately clear what, if anything, Cohen told lawmakers to pique their interest. Depending on the details, such pardon talks could be incendiary, suggesting an effort to dissuade Cohen from cooperating with law enforcement. Cohen is to return to the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday.

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Cohen’s lawyer, Lanny Davis, declined to comment on the closed-door testimony, though he said on MSBNC on Thursday night that “new information was developed that could be game changing,” and it was about “lying and obstruction evidence.”

“It’s pretty explosive,” he said.

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anything that sdny or mueller - the real investigators - would have found actionable, they would have told cohen/lanny to not talk about.  whether the hearing was public or private

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8 hours ago, Amati said:

How much is real to these guys?  I was at some dumbshit party at MIT in the early 70’s, and a bunch of Ayn Rand acolytes we’re running this stupid game of ‘prove you exist’ (one of Ayn’s favorite parlor games, apparently), and as I was watching this unproductive intellectual circle jerk, one of the dweebs (sic) comes over and challenges me, sneering at the hippy with the hair halfway down his back, and a beard down to my stomach (me).

So I whacked him across the face.  Open hand.  They looked stunned.  My inquisitor started crying and blurted out “why did you do that”?  And the assistant professor of poetry sitting next to me (a Viet Nam combat vet who had specialized in clearing out Viet Cong tunnels ) said very quietly “proving he exists”.  

These Ayn Rand types are now the leaders of the neo conservative political movement.  Like Bolton, Hannity, or Trump, they talk a lot, but being the effete condescending elite they are, they send other guys and gals to do the fighting. ( I can’t say a lot for Atlantic Magazine neo liberals who espouse the same sort of bs either, for that matter....)

And before anybody gets on my case for not serving, my family lost 3 out of 4 of my male cousins during Viet Nam.  We lived under the flight path of the Black C5a’s that brought back the bodies from the war every Monday (IIRR) to McChord AFB, and we used to stand outside and count how many of them came in, in formation.  Every week, for years.  Friends came back on those planes, in body bags.

And then there’s the economic cost of neo conservative ideology, which has been pretty real too.  But I’ve never known a neo, or otherwise, conservative that has been brought to their knees by war or right wing economic ideology.  Weird.  Or they just don’t admit it?  

For many many centuries, a whole branch of philosophy has been dedicated to the discussion and proof of existence.  Just a bunch of idiots according to you?

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2 minutes ago, jzk said:

For many many centuries, a whole branch of philosophy has been dedicated to the discussion and proof of existence.  Just a bunch of idiots according to you?

Have they achieved orgasm yet?

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2 hours ago, hermetic said:

anything that sdny or mueller - the real investigators - would have found actionable, they would have told cohen/lanny to not talk about.  whether the hearing was public or private

Thanks for clearing that up Captain Obvious. Are you at all curious about the implication the President may have been bartering pardons?

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1 hour ago, Sean said:
3 hours ago, hermetic said:

anything that sdny or mueller - the real investigators - would have found actionable, they would have told cohen/lanny to not talk about.  whether the hearing was public or private

Thanks for clearing that up Captain Obvious. Are you at all curious about the implication the President may have been bartering pardons?

absolutely, that would be obstruction - like the article says - and it wouldn't surprise me in the least.  but i'll wait for the mueller report or sdny action, not something out of congress, lanny, or the wapo.

cohen and lanny are fighting to get the 3 years reduced, anything they can do to look good to sdny is their sole purpose in life right now.

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“For any other president, this hearing would be the most damning and humiliating moment of their lives,” Thompson’s Cummings said. “But for Trump, it’s just Wednesday.”
 
 

 

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4 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

woah woah woah.

Ayg Rand's bullshit is way too shallow to be called legitimate philosophy. 

And she was no neocon. The neo-cons are those who believe in US domination of the world, as if inside of every human is an American just trying to get out (or be "liberated". Ayn as utterly focused on economic determinism, and her outlook is essentially Marxism turned precisely inside out. 

 A common delusion of neo-cons, Marxists, and Anti Marxists is that money and prosperity utterly determines human behavior, but it's not that simple. If that were so, why do people cling to culture so hard as to be willing to die for it?  That over-simplified image of the world and humans has done a lot of damage.   

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14 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Thank you, Michael!

 

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Code for that pardon is off the table, thank god I can blame Kim walking on the dems.

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11 hours ago, Sean said:
Well, that was mildly amusing - but note how they very carefully perpetuated the myth of 
 
Both Sides-ism 
 
America has only one wacko Reichista party . .   
 
 
 
 
“For any other president, this hearing would be the most damning and humiliating moment of their lives,” Thompson’s Cummings said. “But for Trump, it’s just Wednesday.”
 
 

 

 

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Why would someone found guilty of fraud and lying to Congress give testimony again and be caught lying 6 times.

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9 hours ago, Shibby said:

Why would someone found guilty of fraud and lying to Congress give testimony again and be caught lying 6 times.

What six times?

Details please.

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9 hours ago, Navig8tor said:

Ok who left the smelly sock?

Smells like Not Guilty without the memes, so far.

Another deep sock.  Joined 2004 no posts since May 2017 until today.  Probably related to J28 who joined around the same time and stayed dormant for more than a decade.

The poster is a very sad individual.

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On 2/28/2019 at 3:44 PM, Saorsa said:

Apparently Monica never mattered.  Or any of the other Clinton accusers.

 

He lost considerable respect and power as a result of the Monica incident. 

My gripe is with those who thought such behavior justified throwing him out of office who now feel similar behavior should be tolerated. 

I thought  Clinton should have resigned  immediately and I think The Republicans should have withdrawn Gropenfuhrer’s nomination when the  Bush tape was made public.  

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40 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Another deep sock.  Joined 2004 no posts since May 2017 until today.  Probably related to J28 who joined around the same time and stayed dormant for more than a decade.

The poster is a very sad individual.

Maybe he was just found in the dryer vent pipe.

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2 minutes ago, Sean said:

Good luck getting a dime out of that deadbeat -

Cohen Sues Trump Organization for Legal Costs, Including Mueller

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-07/michael-cohen-sues-trump-organization-in-new-york-court

Wait.  A witness in the case(s) has a contract from the person/administration/campaign/organization/inaugural committee being investigated, agreeing to pay the witness' attorneys' fees?  I'd like to see that document. 

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4 minutes ago, Sean said:

Good luck getting a dime out of that deadbeat -

Cohen Sues Trump Organization for Legal Costs, Including Mueller

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-07/michael-cohen-sues-trump-organization-in-new-york-court

I can't believe there is a person alive who would deal with Trump in any way other than cash in advance.

I wouldn't wash his fucking car without cash in advance.

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6 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Wait.  A witness in the case(s) has a contract from the person/administration/campaign/organization/inaugural committee being investigated, agreeing to pay the witness' attorneys' fees?  I'd like to see that document. 

I have actually shown up for court when another attorney claims to represent my client.  Clearly, hired by someone else only to protect someone else.  

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I wouldn't wash his fucking car

I'd pay a dog to piss on its tires.

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That I'd do on credit.

I'd even skip the dog.

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1 hour ago, hasher said:

I'd pay a dog to piss on its tires.

You don't have to pay dog to do that.  Just tell him a democrat owns the car.

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4 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

You don't have to pay dog to do that.  Just tell him a democrat owns the car.

Even if I tell him it's the little don?  I know.  He doesn't know.  I'll say straight from faux news.  

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On 3/7/2019 at 10:47 AM, Sol Rosenberg said:

Wait.  A witness in the case(s) has a contract from the person/administration/campaign/organization/inaugural committee being investigated, agreeing to pay the witness' attorneys' fees?  I'd like to see that document. 

I think it's from those early days when Cohen and Trump had a joint defense agreement. IIRC Cohen made a public announcement that he was withdrawing from that joint defense agreement just about the time he flipped for Mueller. 

 If I understand this correctly an attempt to collect defense fees from that agreement would now be pretty silly, right? I can't figure out what Cohen might be thinking here. 

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1 hour ago, Mark K said:

I think it's from those early days when Cohen and Trump had a joint defense agreement. IIRC Cohen made a public announcement that he was withdrawing from that joint defense agreement just about the time he flipped for Mueller. 

 If I understand this correctly an attempt to collect defense fees from that agreement would now be pretty silly, right? I can't figure out what Cohen might be thinking here. 

Cohen doesn't have to make sense.  He just needs to make news.

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1 hour ago, Mark K said:

 If I understand this correctly an attempt to collect defense fees from that agreement would now be pretty silly, right? I can't figure out what Cohen might be thinking here. 

The Trump Org indemnified Cohen & agreed to pay his legal fees and costs, not Trump personally. As quaint a legal fiction that might be. It's an attempt to collect the owed fees from the Org; we'd have to know what was in the agreement. But it's not like Cohen's the first contractor Trump's stiffed.

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18 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Cohen doesn't have to make sense.  He just needs to make news.

He's hardly alone, in that respect.

Take, for instance, the guy for whom he used to work.

Now THAT guy puts new meaning into those words "attention whore".

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On 2/27/2019 at 3:11 PM, Ishmael said:

Gaetz is now under investigation by the Florida State Bar for that threatening tweet. https://www.thedailybeast.com/matt-gaetz-under-investigation-by-florida-state-bar-over-michael-cohen-threat?ref=home

 

Aaaaaand the case cleared the first hurdle, and will go to the Grievance Committee.  If they find probable cause, it goes to the Supreme Court. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/442708-florida-bar-advances-matt-gaetz-investigation-over-cohen-tweets?fbclid=IwAR3O52hh3XJYZkjOcwZmzPr-OMq7NUQiOUVYjTez7ozzl-amJrXcBYQdnec&fbclid=IwAR0iNI4q-l3kXtxEQjxvjog-7Cae7s5_peSSiBzHCdT7Cu7J0pDEF5pA8lQ

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On 3/10/2019 at 5:32 PM, Bus Driver said:
On 3/10/2019 at 5:13 PM, Saorsa said:

Cohen doesn't have to make sense.  He just needs to make news.

He's hardly alone, in that respect.

Take, for instance, the guy for whom he used to work.

Now THAT guy puts new meaning into those words "attention whore".

Trump is a one-man attention bordello. With one of those inflatable waving dolls out front.

On fire

-DSK

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