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Scheme uncovered by the feds. Big name schools and sports. Press conference happening now. Harvard, Stanford, BU, Yale, USC and others involved. Coaches involved were second tier sports like sailing, soccer. FBI and IRS involved. Developing 

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And Felicity Huffman!:rolleyes:

i am shocked, shocked to hear of this

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Sounds like this is a widespread practice. What does that say about college sailing that this is a place to hide unqualified students?

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1 minute ago, Rum Runner said:

unqualified

If you didn't raise them at an early age, teenage years really won't change the direction.

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yeah,  rich kids who are too lazy to have any sort of work ethic and earn a spot..

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The FBI has busted open a multi-year and multi-million dollar cheating scandal that helped the kids of rich families get into “highly selective” universities by fudging their academic and athletic credentials, as reported by NBC News. The cheating scandal was centered around The Edge College & Career Network (known and referred to as “The Key”), a for-profit “college counseling and preparation business” that employed a variety of ways to help sneak incoming freshmen into some of the country’s most elite institutions of higher learning. .... the plot targeted families who were rich enough to afford their services but not rich enough to use the traditional institutional advancement method (i.e. buying a university a new wing or library or some such thing).

Some of the ways that The Key used to cheat kids into top schools:

  • Bribing test administrators to allow third-party employees to take standardized tests for students
  • Using a charity to launder money used for bribing coaches into labeling students as recruits
  • Fabricating fake student-athlete profiles for prospective students, including parent-supplied staged photographs showing their children engaged in athletic activity
  • Photoshopping students’ faces onto the bodies of “legitimate athletes”

 

 

 

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I'm shocked to learn that the rich and famous do not play by the rules. Shocked...

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Really sucks for the not quite rich enough - can't buy a building so forced to sleaze in through bribery.  Moral? Pick better parents. 

 

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Oh, this is going to be an entertaining scandal.  The rich and powerful but not-quite-smart enough, nor athletic enough, to get admitted on actual merit, get admitted via fraud.

As a penniless BU sailing coach way back in my grad school days, where was this kind of crooked ingenuity (and pocket change) back then?  ;-)

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Per the press conference, some coaches used the bribe money for their programs.... all pocketed some cash... .... So...IMO, this is no different then the college pres collecting the donation for a building, admitting the kid, and accepting a bump in his salary.....   One is called fraud.... the other is called the wonder of the world... the  American higher education system.  (not even considering that BS in the revenue college sports like football and basketball)  Both behaviors are  complete bullshit.    But... getting an edge is as American as apple pie!  

Play by the rules is a freaking FAIRY TALE.....   the actual American  tradition is to find an edge....

What is a scandal is the BS myth that we tell all those without millions in the bank....  work hard... blah blah blah...   The American fairy tale is.... to  tell everyone about how meritocratic, fair and  etc, etc, etc,  blind we are.... It is a fairy tale!! 

notes... if you get into a top tier school..... you have to really screw up to flunk out.... Dad's not paying 75K a year for his kid to be a C student much less flunk out.....  So... the key is to get your kid into a top tier school.

When I served on an ivy athletic committee years ago ... they used the 171 rule....   The minimum admit requirement was 1710 combined score of SATs (two scores) and your GPA x some factor from HS.   Get to 171 and you could be accepted into any Ivy using the athletic set aside slots for the school.... all schools saw every prospective athletes package.  171 predicted a c- average (I think) and graduation from the school.    Exceptions were made and granted on case by case basis.    I have no idea what the current policy is... but I am certain it remains a fairy tale about merit, and record.    I just heard Andrea Mitchell (NBC) repeat the standard bs line... all of the athletes would be admitted according to the schools... standard admission policy....       Privilege makes you blind to reality.

 

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Put "me" in Coach I'm Ready to PAY !!

No secret that unqualified fucks end up in positions of power/authority beyond their means

All for a piece of paper and a sweater 

Worth lesa than a student loan

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31 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Really sucks for the not quite rich enough - can't buy a building...

Yep, the truly wealthy twist the system in ways that elude prosecution. 250K gets you busted, 250M gets a building with the family name on it and a red carpet ride for your progeny.

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Donald, George W and the rest were on the sailing team in college?  Who knew? And to think that I had to actually take the SAT.  It aint me; it aint me.  I aint no senator's son.

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Pretty much limits anyone involved to a life in Politics 

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I once worked with a guy who was a professor at a small college attached to a big football program.  He pretty much openly admitted that the $500K (in 80's dollars) instrument in his lab was the price of certain well-known NFL star's passing grade in chemistry.  "They asked me what it would take.  I didn't think they'd actually give me one."  

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35 minutes ago, Hawaiidart said:

Donald, George W and the rest were on the sailing team in college?  Who knew? And to think that I had to actually take the SAT.  It aint me; it aint me.  I aint no senator's son.

Na.... W got in on an alumni set aside....dad being a director of the CIA, grand dad ex Senator did not hurt at Yale.....  Trump got a seat bought by his Dad's donation to Wharton.  .... He was a special admit in the Penn pool.   All "legal"

IMO..... evidence that purchasing the paper degree  doesn't mean you are competent....just that your  ceiling is the president of the United States of idiots.

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1 hour ago, Callahan said:

Stanford coach reportedly took $110,000. Not clear if he kicked back any to the program.

Palo alto is expensive.... how much do they pay a sailing coach anyway? He deserved it...... don't you think??

Not sure kick back... is the right word.... I suspect he would use... donation to the program..

Its ALL BULLSHIT!

 

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1 hour ago, Tcatman said:

Per the press conference, some coaches used the bribe money for their programs.... all pocketed some cash... .... So...IMO, this is no different then the college pres collecting the donation for a building, admitting the kid, and accepting a bump in his salary.....   One is called fraud.... the other is called the wonder of the world... the  American higher education system.  (not even considering that BS in the revenue college sports like football and basketball)  Both behaviors are  complete bullshit.    But... getting an edge is as American as apple pie!  

Play by the rules is a freaking FAIRY TALE.....   the actual American  tradition is to find an edge....

What is a scandal is the BS myth that we tell all those without millions in the bank....  work hard... blah blah blah...   The American fairy tale is.... to  tell everyone about how meritocratic, fair and  etc, etc, etc,  blind we are.... It is a fairy tale!! 

notes... if you get into a top tier school..... you have to really screw up to flunk out.... Dad's not paying 75K a year for his kid to be a C student much less flunk out.....  So... the key is to get your kid into a top tier school.

When I served on an ivy athletic committee years ago ... they used the 171 rule....   The minimum admit requirement was 1710 combined score of SATs (two scores) and your GPA x some factor from HS.   Get to 171 and you could be accepted into any Ivy using the athletic set aside slots for the school.... all schools saw every prospective athletes package.  171 predicted a c- average (I think) and graduation from the school.    Exceptions were made and granted on case by case basis.    I have no idea what the current policy is... but I am certain it remains a fairy tale about merit, and record.    I just heard Andrea Mitchell (NBC) repeat the standard bs line... all of the athletes would be admitted according to the schools... standard admission policy....       Privilege makes you blind to reality.

 

Not sure I get the 171 thing. Can you even get 1710? I think 1600 was the max when I did it???

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1 minute ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Not sure I get the 171 thing. Can you even get 1710? I think 1600 was the max when I did it???

So... 500 and 500 .... ie the average SAT score at that time plus a 3.0 GPA X some factor.... ie 200???   = 1600 score...    The point was... that IVY stats suggested it would predict a c- average... eg  1.9 gpa...  and you would graduate...  PRESTO... ivy league integrity maintained.... Bonus .... you get a final 4 basketball team at Penn,  championship Hockey team at Cornell..  Football team at Harvard and Yale.... Lacrosse team at Johns Hopkins.   etc etc.     The value of the 171 rule was that it standardized the bullshit game and allowed the elite ivy's to claim moral high ground... they don't give athletic scholarships... they only give grants in aid based on means..

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1 hour ago, DA-WOODY said:

Put "me" in Coach I'm Ready to PAY !!

No secret that unqualified fucks end up in positions of power/authority beyond their means

All for a piece of paper and a sweater 

Worth lesa than a student loan

Be careful you're going to get down voted by P-WOP. He tell you to take it to Pennsylvania. 

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Me thinkie someone cheaped out at the New Entry PricePoint

Or someone paid up less than promissed and got pressure

Maybe just hanging out in a football program till the NFL would be worth that for a worthless piece of paper

But future NFL players don't often come from Born from Unobtainum Spoon family 

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1 hour ago, Tcatman said:

 this is no different then the college pres collecting the donation for a building, admitting the kid, and accepting a bump in his salary.....   One is called fraud.... the other is called the wonder of the world...

 

But it is. One gets you in jail, the other gets you a cocktail party and ribbon cutting

 

Reminds me of political corruption compared to lobbying.  Same thing, just more money, yet one is illegal and one is not.  what a system.

 

 

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Remember SMU in the 80's. This is pretty easy.

Five year Stanford sailing team death sentence. Rack up the boats, fold the sails see you at Nationals in five years.

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4 minutes ago, ILYAScow said:

Remember SMU in the 80's. This is pretty easy.

Five year Stanford sailing team death sentence. Rack up the boats, fold the sails see you at Nationals in five years.

Not quite.  Stanford sailors did not get any direct benefit from the payments.  Were as Erik Dickerson and Craig James benefited handsomely from their payments and gifts.  Dickerson even said he took a pay cut when he was drafted.

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4 minutes ago, EvaOdland said:

Here is a list of the indicted if you want to look up some of of the mostly rich and powerful dudes on the list that escaped being plastered all over every major news outlet...

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/investigations-college-admissions-and-testing-bribery-scheme

Third guy down on the list Mark Riddell is the guy at IMG Academies ....actually took the SAT /ACT exams for IMG college applicants for money 500K the Feds say


https://www.justice.gov/file/1142891/download

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13 minutes ago, GLAZE said:

Not quite.  Stanford sailors did not get any direct benefit from the payments.  Were as Erik Dickerson and Craig James benefited handsomely from their payments and gifts.  Dickerson even said he took a pay cut when he was drafted.

So hundreds of thousands of dollars was not a direct benefit?

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5 minutes ago, Gone Drinking said:

So hundreds of thousands of dollars was not a direct benefit?

Programs can take money.  Student athletes cannot.

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6 minutes ago, Gone Drinking said:

So hundreds of thousands of dollars was not a direct benefit?

It was 160k, and it appears it went into vandemoer's pocket?

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15 minutes ago, GLAZE said:

Not quite.  Stanford sailors did not get any direct benefit from the payments.  Were as Erik Dickerson and Craig James benefited handsomely from their payments and gifts.  Dickerson even said he took a pay cut when he was drafted.

I was there when it happened, the NCAA should have cut the whole athletic program, they were lucky it was just football. Cowboy stadium to the back lot. Look at LSU basketball, how about Arizona basketball, do we get North Carolina as well? It ends when the punishment hits home. Louisville self policed and dumped Pitino again death sentence regardless. Most college sailing programs are shoe string budgets and rich donors. This was a game changer. Rack the boats and fold the sails.

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28 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

But it is. One gets you in jail, the other gets you a cocktail party and ribbon cutting

 

Reminds me of political corruption compared to lobbying.  Same thing, just more money, yet one is illegal and one is not.  what a system.

 

 

So we agree.... same thing.... similar to many dilemma's.... pay off the porn star/hide from wife... Ok its a personal problem.... ... pay off the porn star in an election season.... not OK..  

So.... What is the underlying principle that makes one action "wrong" and we map "wrong" to illegal and of course  we extoll the other    eg...  "right" is American exceptionalism?

IMO, we moralize about these things using notions of "fair play" "equality of opportunity" and justify our moral judgement with legal charges and penalties.

In your example, since you have a right to petition your government...    my solution to the political corruption / lobby  and the resulting legal/moral dilemma is Full disclosure mapped to your social security number and published before all elections.....  I don't see any other way to do it.

Perhaps, elite college spots might be awarded by lottery to students and drop the pretense that selection is based on merit.   Obviously, its bullshit.

the sailing coach got some serious time in jail....   wow!

 

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Money really does not influence us.  Perhaps I will travel across the world tomorrow to make your dime, with no payment.  Or not.

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6 minutes ago, ILYAScow said:

I was there when it happened, the NCAA should have cut the whole athletic program, they were lucky it was just football. Cowboy stadium to the back lot. Look at LSU basketball, how about Arizona basketball, do we get North Carolina as well? It ends when the punishment hits home. Louisville self policed and dumped Pitino again death sentence regardless. Most college sailing programs are shoe string budgets and rich donors. This was a game changer. Rack the boats and fold the sails.

Why so harsh?  Death Penalty?

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14 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

It was 160k, and it appears it went into vandemoer's pocket?

Later that summer, the boy decided to attend a different university, but Vandemoer allegedly agreed with Singer to use that same recruiting spot for another of Singer’s clients in exchange for a $500,000 payment to the program.

 

EDIT: Ask any college coach if $500,000 would not directly benefit them.

 

 

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Just now, GLAZE said:

Why so harsh?  Death Penalty?

If one school/coach did it there is most certainly another that did it and did not get caught. College sailors fund their own racing programs some schools have establish boat procurement but for the most part the student/club athletes do the work. Take a sailing coach at a school and they would be lucky to have coaches or a coach. They are moderately paid. $30-50k. Maybe. So $160k is a big deal. The only ones really upset is the Stanford crowd,  they pay the price so that others learn it does not pay. As for the coach.....you do not want to ask.

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People actually bribe to spend their days in a 420?  I really need to meet these folks as I have some awesome opportunities available for a limited time.

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18 minutes ago, Gone Drinking said:

Later that summer, the boy decided to attend a different university, but Vandemoer allegedly agreed with Singer to use that same recruiting spot for another of Singer’s clients in exchange for a $500,000 payment to the program.

 

EDIT: Ask any college coach if $500,000 would not directly benefit them.

 

 

read more carefully.  

 

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31 minutes ago, Tcatman said:

 

 we map "wrong" to illegal and of course  we extoll the other  

Iwe moralize about these things using notions of "fair play" "equality of opportunity" and justify our moral judgement with legal charges and penalties.

 

 

Why "we"?  I don't do that shit.  Only a moron would map illegal to immoral.  Unfortunately we are a nation of morons

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Latest from the WP - dollars is going up.

 

Stanford University says it has fired sailing coach John Vandemoer in a college admissions bribery scandal.

Vandemoer was charged with accepting a total of $270,000 in contributions to the school’s program for agreeing to recommend two prospective students for admission.

The school said Tuesday that neither student came to Stanford but that “the alleged behavior runs completely counter to Stanford’s values.”

Stanford said it has no evidence that anyone else at the school is involved but will conduct an internal review.

Vandemoer is expected to enter a plea Tuesday in Boston.

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1 hour ago, SC Finnster said:

How is $270,000 funneled through Stanford's sailing program with no one other than the coach knowing?

 

you should see his coach boat..

 

see-the-hy-x-hyrdofoil-that-could-replac

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1 hour ago, SailBlueH2O said:

Third guy down on the list Mark Riddell is the guy at IMG Academies ....actually took the SAT /ACT exams for IMG college applicants for money 500K the Feds say


https://www.justice.gov/file/1142891/download

a lot of college football players come out of that school... alot of   4&5* recruits...   big money right there....

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55 minutes ago, ILYAScow said:

I was there when it happened, the NCAA should have cut the whole athletic program, they were lucky it was just football. Cowboy stadium to the back lot. Look at LSU basketball, how about Arizona basketball, do we get North Carolina as well? It ends when the punishment hits home. Louisville self policed and dumped Pitino again death sentence regardless. Most college sailing programs are shoe string budgets and rich donors. This was a game changer. Rack the boats and fold the sails.

Can't wait till  duke and Krzyzewski  get nailed..        SMU sailing program went bust,  not enough cocaine for smu students to go sailing..

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The SAT should have a Corinthian division like the J70 class so that kids who dont use a paid pro to take the exam get a separate trophy.

Of course, everyone knows that is a lesser trophy, the real money with a pro team wins Stanford or Yale etc.  The Corinthians win College of Charleston or University of Vermont.

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here's one of the "kids" that got into usc

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Anytime I do a college video people are like, “Why do you only show you going out or getting ready for a party? It’s not only about partying.” And before I went to college I was super naive and ignorant and dumb and I was like, “I’m not going to college ‘cause I want an education, I’m going to meet people and be social and party.” instead of you guys seeing the social part of it.

 

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Nice try- College Sailing is sanctioned by ICSA no NCAA.

He was assisting Werblow back in the day...I didn't miss him when he left for Stanford.

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Applying (generous contributions) at USS, USOC and PHRF

shoe in :)

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I admit I get wrapped up in football games played by my alma mater but I don't get the connection that because my school won a national championship, my reputation is so enhanced that it's is worth it to me to put some bucks in a prospective athlete's pocket to make it happen. In a lot of cases those overzealous alums are smart, tough, no nonsense business people. What am I missing?

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12 minutes ago, kinardly said:

I admit I get wrapped up in football games played by my alma mater but I don't get the connection that because my school won a national championship, my reputation is so enhanced that it's is worth it to me to put some bucks in a prospective athlete's pocket to make it happen. In a lot of cases those overzealous alums are smart, tough, no nonsense business people. What am I missing?

Gamblers 

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1 minute ago, kinardly said:

I admit I get wrapped up in football games played by my alma mater but I don't get the connection that because my school won a national championship, my reputation is so enhanced that it's is worth it to me to put some bucks in a prospective athlete's pocket to make it happen. In a lot of cases those overzealous alums are smart, tough, no nonsense business people. What am I missing?

They get to pretend they are on the field...   not in the stands..... if not for them.....  the team would lose.   They are players!   At the major supporter party.... they get the affirmation that they matter from  the other donors and the admin who tells them how important they are.

RE  "smart, tough, no nonsense business people"   maybe those skills are overstated... or don't scratch that psychological itch they have.
 

 

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daughter will be home racing stanford’s city front regatta next weekend...should be interesting

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31 minutes ago, aA said:

daughter will be home racing stanford’s city front regatta next weekend...should be interesting

Hopefully they will not even be concerned...

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The US Reich, elitists that they are, have no problem with

these assaults on merit by the privileged . . .  

and of course this is a great example of (rich) white privilege. 

I ain't no senator's son either. 

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26 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

The US Reich, elitists that they are, have no problem with

these assaults on merit by the privileged . . .  

and of course this is a great example of (rich) white privilege. 

I ain't no senator's son either. 

or wealthy NYC real estate baron's son...

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Is it just me that thinks it weird that as soon as someone pleads guilty around Newp Beach (Singer - the major domo in this scam),  that immediatly his real estate broker gets the house & asking ($2.6 mil) splashed on front pages along with the gooomy walkaway shot of the perp at the courthouse??

FFS it’s trashy opportunism at it’s OC finest.  ‘ Guilty your honor.   And uh...the house is priced to move.   Ck local papers for details.   Blah, blah, blah.’  

Unreal.

 

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4 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

Hopefully they will not even be concerned...

this is the coaches doing, not the stanford team. i hope they are there to compete against my girl, however i wouldn’t mind seeing them with some extra things to think about taking away from their performance. stanford cleaned everyone’s clocks at the bryson regatta in rwc last month, would be nice to see that change

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14 hours ago, casc27 said:

Yep, the truly wealthy twist the system in ways that elude prosecution. 250K gets you busted, 250M gets a building with the family name on it and a red carpet ride for your progeny.

You don't have to buy a building to get your kid in. Remember, Kushner ONLY paid $2.5 Million to get Jared into Harvard, and even that was in annual installments of only $250,000.

A lot of these people should have easily had the $2-5 Million (probably some inflation since Kushner bribed his way in) to get their kids in.

Seeing as my dad was a high school english teacher, I guess I can take some pride that I earned my way in, and I was actually on the wrestling team at Yale for two years before I had to stop due to injuries. (now in my 50s, the damn knee still hurts)

 

LOL

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11 hours ago, d'ranger said:

People actually bribe to spend their days in a 420?  I really need to meet these folks as I have some awesome opportunities available for a limited time.

No, they paid to be designated as sailors even though they have no sailing experience and no intention of participating in the sailing program. The bribe is so that the coach will tell the recruiting/admissions office that the coach says the candidate is a sailing recruit.

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This thread reminds me of a reverse occurance at Sandhurst, the British Army Officer training School.

An Arab Prince complained to authorities that he hadn't passed the course but had given lots of "presents " out. It was eventually established that He had given "presents" ( like rolex watches) to SNCO's and officers in the expectation of getting better marks..

 They of course accepted them as presents and didn't increase his marks..

 

A regulation was changed and now the instructors are not allowed to accept presents..

 

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Substitute the sentence for sailing a 420 about 500 miles upwind in light air and chop

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18 hours ago, nolatom said:

 

Send the dumb/rich parents and all offenders other than the kids to jail for a good bit. The parents can then teach their kids what they learned in jail and how to avoid the consequences that come with think your better than others. 

. And the kid will learn how to fend for himself while mum and daddy are in prison 

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'merica is just so fucked up that this seems to be a case of just one step too far.....only one step! A bit like the religious out there that have had their leaders brought to justice for the abuse of the innocent ...I feel sorry for those that still believe! Man this is a sorry state.....

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17 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

It was 160k, and it appears it went into vandemoer's pocket?

According to the indictment, the money went to Stanford's sailing program. It didn't say it went into the coaches pocket? 

 

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Just now, ChiGuy said:

According to the indictment, the money went to Stanford's sailing program.It didn't say it went into the coaches pocket?

 

Maybe not but it does benefit the coach and his job and the program that pays his bills and feeds his ego...so in exchange the coach influences the admission office....no skin off his back 

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20 hours ago, casc27 said:

I'm shocked to learn that the rich and famous do not play by the rules. Shocked...

I am shocked that the rich and famous are so stingy that they don’t just do it the old fashion way an make a contribution to the school

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Sad but this has been happening for years.Its nice they finally got busted.Can't wait to see who falls next. 

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it's all silly,  all the private universities have to do ( i doubt state schools could do this)   is hold 10 admission spots open at $250,000 apiece good for as along as you make the grade, first come first served.. no SAT'S / ACT'S..  you flunk out, you're done, or pay up for another spot if it's available,  first out, last in..

 

then the well to do, can simply buy a spot..  no backhanded people making 25 million etc..  no coaches or admins will get in trouble etc..

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The only way this could look any worse for the wealthy cheat parents, is if they were ever heard complaining about how the affirmative action admits don't "belong" at those universities.....

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26 minutes ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

it's all silly,  all the private universities have to do ( i doubt state schools could do this)   is hold 10 admission spots open at $250,000 apiece good for as along as you make the grade, first come first served.. no SAT'S / ACT'S..  you flunk out, you're done, or pay up for another spot if it's available,  first out, last in..

 

then the well to do, can simply buy a spot..  no backhanded people making 25 million etc..  no coaches or admins will get in trouble etc..

10 spots open to higest bidder

Minimum bit $250K in $100K increments

Winners get a letterperson's sweater with a $

Say what you will about how sad the situation but that is how it goes in the real world

Especially goverment & politics and any field working with them

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These are just the people that got caught. For decades, sports and other activities have had this in other ways. Coaches paying kids to go to their school. Moving families to different towns to register in their school etc.  Pay to play is more widespread than anyone truly knows the details of. Sports teams give scholarships to people to play which some would have never made the admissions standards otherwise, yet most turn a blind eye. If they only gave scholarships based on academic merits alone, the college sport scene would be vastly different. Frankly, I am not shocked one bit that this was occurring. 

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John Fogarty had it right way back when:

Some folks are born made to wave the flag
ooo, they're red, white and blue
And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief"
ooo, they point the cannon at you, Lord
It ain't me, it ain't me... I ain't no senator's son, no
It ain't me, it ain't me... I ain't no fortunate one, no
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, yeah
But when the taxman comes to the door


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Yep- the same folks who complain about affirmative actions students (i.e. racial minorities) and who want a wall to keep out the rapist drug dealing Mexicans but employ undocumented workers as their housekeepers, and who want to take away health care entitlements for the poor...

Twas always thus; twas always thus will be.

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The best thing that could happen to junior sailing in the US is for colleges to stop considering sailing as any aspect of the admission process.

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