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I am in the process of purchasing an LG LDP6797 Dishwasher. The manual seems to be pretty vague about how to connect the dishwasher to the internet (?!?).

Page 38 of the manual attempts to deal with this, but... I'm pretty sure my home internet requires you pick a router and login. Anyone else set up their dishwasher with the interwebs (!?!)

The times, they are a  changin!

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5 minutes ago, Borax Johnson said:

I am in the process of purchasing an LG LDP6797 Dishwasher. The manual seems to be pretty vague about how to connect the dishwasher to the internet (?!?).

Page 38 of the manual attempts to deal with this, but... I'm pretty sure my home internet requires you pick a router and login. Anyone else set up their dishwasher with the interwebs (!?!)

The times, they are a  changin!

Why the fuck would you want to?

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Um, 

Because that is part of the directions. Part of the original question. I'll try to be a bit more clear:

Page 38 in the instructions is likely located between pages 37 and 39. In fact, it might be on the one in the middle, page 38.

Still interested  in a helpful answer.

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Instructions came up when I googled it... They don't work?

How do I connect my LG washer to WiFi?
  1. Tap the display (Swipe or tap to display)
  2. Press the SETTINGS option.
  3. Navigate the menu by swiping LEFT or RIGHT.
  4. Tap the SETTINGS menu.
  5. Select “WIFI' option, choose your wireless network and sign in.
 

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Fuck no. Once you let it on your wifi, anyone who cracks their security will be able to penetrate your network. What possible upside could there be to connecting your dishwasher to your network? Surely it'll work without a connection, right?

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You'll have hackers turning on your dishwasher at 3 am....!!!

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Good god..... What's next? internet connections for breast feeding your baby?

 I don't even want a fucking clock on my stove, or anything electronic hooked to any machine I have. If I want it on, I'll turn it the fuck on. These automatic updates on computers are the worst!

 Can't even block them anymore. Wake up one morning and your computer says "Don't turn off your computer, updates in progress.... " 3 hours later you check again and it says "Update failed at 98% start over now. Do not turn off your computer"....

 Fuck them.

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Imagine the how amusing it will be when some random person on the internet gains the ability to do this to a box in your kitchen:

Download new and special cycles that are not included in the basic cycles on the appliance.Appliances that have been successfully registered can download a variety of specialty cycles specific to the appliance.Only one cycle can be stored on the appliance at a time.Once cycle download is completed in the appliance, the appliance keeps the downloaded cycle until a new cycle is downloaded.

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This is insidious.  Quite soon educating children will not be possible without the internet - a whole cadre of enthusiastic teachers are pushing hard for technology in the classroom.  So much of what is going on in classrooms involves the internet already that educations virtually stops in my school when the local area network crashes - which it does 2-3 times per year due to some very sketchy network design. 

When we get to the point where aircraft can't fly without an internet connection I'm giving up flying.

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3 hours ago, Borax Johnson said:

Um, 

Because that is part of the directions. Part of the original question. I'll try to be a bit more clear:

Page 38 in the instructions is likely located between pages 37 and 39. In fact, it might be on the one in the middle, page 38.

Still interested  in a helpful answer.

Unless the manual says it must be connected to the wifi or it will not function I will stick with my first response.

If it does say it must be connected my response would have to be - why the fuck did you buy it?

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Damn, you can watch porn on your dishwasher?!  What will the Koreans come up with next?

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3 hours ago, dash34 said:

 

When we get to the point where aircraft can't fly without an internet connection I'm giving up flying.

Ummmmmm, we are a lot closer to that the an all electric plane.  Pretty soon the black box will be obsolete with telemetry data being sent to HQ during the duration of the flight, along with other info...  there will be a constant connection.

Scary

 

 

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I call troll on this one.  My, some of you are quite gullible/foolish...

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12 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Good god..... What's next? internet connections for breast feeding your baby?

 I don't even want a fucking clock on my stove, or anything electronic hooked to any machine I have. If I want it on, I'll turn it the fuck on. These automatic updates on computers are the worst!

 Can't even block them anymore. Wake up one morning and your computer says "Don't turn off your computer, updates in progress.... " 3 hours later you check again and it says "Update failed at 98% start over now. Do not turn off your computer"....

 Fuck them.

You can block the updates.
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop-updates-installing-automatically-windows-10

Freaks me out when I get up in the morning and my computer has turned itself on.

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17 minutes ago, austin1972 said:

You can block the updates.
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop-updates-installing-automatically-windows-10

Freaks me out when I get up in the morning and my computer has turned itself on.

Win10 does not allow you to block updates apparently.

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8 hours ago, nacradriver said:

Ummmmmm, we are a lot closer to that the an all electric plane.  Pretty soon the black box will be obsolete with telemetry data being sent to HQ during the duration of the flight, along with other info...  there will be a constant connection.

Scary

 

 

Of course, the black box will still be there as a backup to the live telemetry link at first but eventually it's go away to make room for more seats (and more batteries). At that point, a live link on takeoff will become mandatory or you're not going.

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"I'm afraid I can't do that Dave"

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30 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Win10 does not allow you to block updates apparently.

We'll see. I just set it to block on Saturday.

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13 hours ago, Zonker said:

You'll have hackers turning on your dishwasher at 3 am....!!!

Some hackers are so bored that they'll watch Borax's dishwasher washing his dishes.

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LG products suck. Buy Miele or Speed Queen

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Bought an LG DW last year and it connected to the router just fine.  The phone app seems to auto-configure the dishwasher to the SSID/password...I don't remember losing any sleep over configuration and haven't given it a thought since.  No, I don't think there's a benefit to connecting the dishwasher to the router any more than there is a benefit of having the light bulb in the downstairs storage closet connected to the network, but hey...that's what appliances do these days.

I drew the line at the refrigerator...I cannot bring myself to buy a fridge that has an internal camera and a display on the front panel.  Do we, as a society, really need to be able to see the selection of cheese while staring at the front of the fridge?  Is it too much effort to actually reach out and pull the door open?  If you want to see what kind of beer is available, drag your sorry butt off the couch, walk into the kitchen and open the damn fridge door!  sigh.  The sales guy tried to pitch it as "when you're at the grocery store, you can look in the fridge from your phone to see if you are low on milk.  That's what grocery lists are for (which are conveniently written on the screen of my phone with a stylus).

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22 minutes ago, VWAP said:

LG products suck. Buy Miele or Speed Queen

Speed Queen is made in Ripon, WI!
I bought a Maytag with a stainless tub. The installer said not to rinse the dishes too much because the sensor looks for schmutz. If it doesn't sense any, it'll run forever.

Works well and very quiet.

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In all seriousness..............what is the purpose of having your dishwasher connected to the internet?

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5 minutes ago, Point Break said:

In all seriousness..............what is the purpose of having your dishwasher connected to the internet?

So big brother can turn off your dishwasher when you have used more than your daily power / water assignment. 

https://www.pacificresearch.org/big-brother-wants-your-thermostat/

 

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19 minutes ago, VWAP said:

So big brother can turn off your dishwasher when you have used more than your daily power / water assignment. 

https://www.pacificresearch.org/big-brother-wants-your-thermostat/

 

This is nothing new. In one of my houses ca. 1991 our EMC had a little device mounted on our A/C condensing unit that allowed them to turn it off during times of extreme demand from the grid. It was activated by radio and they gave us a little discount ($3-5 IIRC) on our monthly bill for allowing them to install it. I don't know if they ever used it in the 4 years we lived there, but if they did it wasn't ever noticeable. Since electricity is the ultimate just-in-time product, it makes sense to alleviate capacity concerns with some integration between users and suppliers to manage demand during peak periods. It's a lot cheaper for ratepayers than adding capacity to meet demand or prevent brownouts during the 0.05% of the time when the major peaks occur. 

 

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WiFi connected dishwashers are all about and for the IoT - Internet of Twats

Didn't you watch Silicon Valley?

 

 

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3 hours ago, IStream said:

Of course, the black box will still be there as a backup to the live telemetry link at first but eventually it's go away to make room for more seats (and more batteries). At that point, a live link on takeoff will become mandatory or you're not going.

You do know how small the FDRs and Voice Recorders are...

Data link.. 1/1/2020 all planes will need ADS-B, this is the start...

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I was only (half) joking. *Everything* on the plane seems to be in the process of being removed or shrunk (have you seen the new lavs?) in the name of squeezing in more seats. Not least of all the seats themselves.

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29 minutes ago, nacradriver said:

You do know how small the FDRs and Voice Recorders are...

Data link.. 1/1/2020 all planes will need ADS-B, this is the start...

I think CVRs and FDRs will be around for a long time.  Just to control bandwidth, the health reporting via SATCOM is a limited number of data streams and nobody it sending cockpit voice data off ship.  

ADS-B is fine for continental and coastal waters, etc.  but its only use for oceanic is that aircraft with ADS-B in can reduce trail separation as it will be an aircraft to aircraft reporting.  

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4 hours ago, Que said:

Bought an LG DW last year and it connected to the router just fine.  The phone app seems to auto-configure the dishwasher to the SSID/password...I don't remember losing any sleep over configuration and haven't given it a thought since.  No, I don't think there's a benefit to connecting the dishwasher to the router any more than there is a benefit of having the light bulb in the downstairs storage closet connected to the network, but hey...that's what appliances do these days.

I drew the line at the refrigerator...I cannot bring myself to buy a fridge that has an internal camera and a display on the front panel.  Do we, as a society, really need to be able to see the selection of cheese while staring at the front of the fridge?  Is it too much effort to actually reach out and pull the door open?  If you want to see what kind of beer is available, drag your sorry butt off the couch, walk into the kitchen and open the damn fridge door!  sigh.  The sales guy tried to pitch it as "when you're at the grocery store, you can look in the fridge from your phone to see if you are low on milk.  That's what grocery lists are for (which are conveniently written on the screen of my phone with a stylus).

You know those self flushing urinals in the men’s room?  They only automatically flush if you have a small Penis!

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1 hour ago, Innocent Bystander said:

I think CVRs and FDRs will be around for a long time.  Just to control bandwidth, the health reporting via SATCOM is a limited number of data streams and nobody it sending cockpit voice data off ship.  

ADS-B is fine for continental and coastal waters, etc.  but its only use for oceanic is that aircraft with ADS-B in can reduce trail separation as it will be an aircraft to aircraft reporting.  

Point taken.... 

 

 

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better if the engineers fixed the FUCKING BEARING for the drum.

Been FUCKED for 20 years.

It is the part that is so labor intensive to get to, you end up having to buy a new unit (went through 2 before I wised up)

An update to a sealed hub bearing from any small FWD car would cost $3 extra and solve the problem.

Instead they add wifi.

Brilliant!

 

Went to Samsung.  Good bearing but the older models were known to explode at high speed.

Used it a month when we get a letter saying Well maybe they didn't fix the exploding drum issue after all.

But here is a sticker to slap on the side saying we warned you (I fucking kid you not...)

 

And  you want to trust such idiots to be on your network with your bank statements, tax returns, and house cameras.

Good luck with that..

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I work from home a lot these days and every now and then my son, who is several suburbs away at University, gets bored and turns on the heating or the aircon remotely with his phone and scares the bejeezus out of me. No way known he is getting control of the bloody dishwasher too!

Mind you, he's 19 and I doubt he would even know we have a dishwasher.

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A little drift on LG dishwashers...

I bought one 12 years ago...

  • while under warranty, the electronic control panel failed.  The cause of failure was inadequate sealing against moisture (the electronics got wet).  
  • four years later, the electronic control panel failed.  I ordered one from a parts supplier ($200) and replaced it myself.  Failed for same reason as above. 
  • last year, the  the electronic control panel failed.  Same cause of failure as above.  A replacement part was now $350, was back-ordered and possibly not available.

Not wanting to put $350 dollars into a 12 year old dish washer, I replaced it.  Not with LG.  

It is pretty obvious that LG was unable to adequately protect the electronics from moisture (seems pretty obvious for a dish washer that there might be moisture present, right?). 

 

 

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yeah.... but now you can get a pop-up on your cell notifying you the control panel failed !   Priceless !

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Connected stuff at home is pretty convenient in my opinion. I have the Google Mesh setup - basically a bunch of access points that all talk to each other to make sure that the signal is good. The thermostats are connected so I can easily set up timers, or over-ride them if I'm coming home at an odd time. My heated floors are connected for the same reason. Most of my appliances are old - not connected - but when I upgrade, they will be so I can check status if I need to. I ditched DirecTV's satellite feed at $180/mo and I now use their IP feed - the only difference is that I open up the TV channels on my phone first, and then "cast" them to the TVs. Flipping channels is not possible, but who does that any more anyway? And it's $50/mo.

Connected home is the way to go  - so you Luddites better get with the program here and start writing down some forgettable passwords!

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1 hour ago, Wet Spreaders said:

Connected stuff at home is pretty convenient in my opinion

Connected home is the way to go  - so you Luddites better get with the program here and start writing down some forgettable passwords!

Real-sense-of-human-association-Wifi-lon

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