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Hi,

 

Does anyone have any info on the Fareast 19 R in terms of performance, build quality, etc.?

Other than the J/70, what other sport boats exist that:

  • Perform well
  • Can be ramp launched (retractable keel)
  • Are less than 40K
  • Range from 18 - 24'

 

Thanks!

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I know a lot about the Viper; too wet and sporty / athletic.  I want to daysail too in some degree of comfort.

The 640 is a great boat, but I'm too "old" for the Viper.

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Well the i550 fits the bill except for too sporty, wet, athletic, too. BUT, There are a couple for sale at 15 to 25% of your budget. Just by the appearance the the Fairest 19R looks too wet, sporty athletic , too.  Try to find an Ultimate 20. I think there was one in the Colorado craigslist recently. Also an Open 5.70 in th Colorado Westslope Craigslist.40862260_1827917257246187_1150417126356418560_o.thumb.jpg.84ef671944682a472795e3b7bf97575d.jpg1276510_10151813869657789_3368903_o.thumb.jpg.b5d5629e63584fcaf495bab7299987d3.jpg30704682_10155562893776647_509106008775984745_n.thumb.jpg.7d30744b4e38b977ccf59b111082b14d.jpg

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Sailed the Fareast 23r. Nice boat, but a lot of wetted surface to overcome when the wind lightens. For a 19 footer, VXone would be my choice.

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Seascape 18:

Seascape 18's   Main dimensions
Hull length 5.5 m
Beam (width) 2.37 m
Draft 1.5 m
Draft when appendages up 0.15 m
Light displacement 500 kg
Ballast weight 125 kg
Ballast type Cast iron
Seascape 18's   Rig and sails
Upwind sail area 23.7 sqm
Downwind sail area 46.5 sqm
Mainsail area 14.5 sqm
Genoa area 9.2 sqm
Asymetric spinnaker area 32 sqm
Code 0 area 19 sqm
Rigging type Sloop Marconi (square top mainsail) 7/8
Rotating spars No
Mast position Deck stepped mast
Spars Mast and boom in Carbon fiber
Standing rigging 1x19 strand wire
 
Seascape 18's   Performances
Upwind sail area to displacementi 37.62
Downwind sail area to displacementi 73.81
Ballast ratioi 25 %

 

Fareast 19:

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9 hours ago, J88 Alchemy said:

I know a lot about the Viper; too wet and sporty / athletic.  I want to daysail too in some degree of comfort.

The 640 is a great boat, but I'm too "old" for the Viper.

You may want to take a look at/charter one of the Flying Tiger 7.5’s. 

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2 hours ago, EasyRider7 said:

650kg is bloody heavy for a 19ft sportsboat.

:D Do we have to do that again?

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I am probably wrong but for family fun and Mom's peace of mind I'd say that the Sail Area/ Displacement ration should be lower than 40 or so to give a guide as to how comfortably a boat can be singlehanded. Just offhand the Flying Tiger, RS21, Ultimate 20 genre would fit pretty well. 

If I remember correctly the i550 SA/D is 42 and downwind is 112.  

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The Open 5.70, if you can find one, is also a very stable 19 footer that can still give some thrilling rides.

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ever considered a melges 24? found some very well equiped one for less than your budget.

 

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There was an Open 5.70 in Shelburne Bay for a while; one of the Dealer.com guys owned it. He might still have it, but never raced it.

There is or was also a Rocket 22 on Lake Magog or Memphremagog. I think the owner might be on this site.

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The VX One fits your requirements.  There are fleets in Toronto and Boston who you contact for a check ride.

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On 4/8/2019 at 1:07 AM, J88 Alchemy said:

I know a lot about the Viper; too wet and sporty / athletic.  I want to daysail too in some degree of comfort.

The 640 is a great boat, but I'm too "old" for the Viper.

640 isn't a great boat, ownership was less than disappointing.

Terrible keel-box.

Bad lifting points compared to similar boats.

Not the best keel lifting system.

Gnav sucks.

There are far better boats in it's market.

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On 4/28/2019 at 9:44 PM, darth reapius said:

640 isn't a great boat, ownership was less than disappointing.

Terrible keel-box.

Bad lifting points compared to similar boats.

Not the best keel lifting system.

Gnav sucks.

There are far better boats in it's market.

Sorry to hear about your experience.  I'm not sure what hull# you owned but there have been improvements to the keel box, the lifting points and keel lift work just fine IMHO and I have no problem with Gnav.

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10 hours ago, NextExit said:

Sorry to hear about your experience.  I'm not sure what hull# you owned but there have been improvements to the keel box, the lifting points and keel lift work just fine IMHO and I have no problem with Gnav.

It was a new boat, many years ago now (7 maybe, my memories fading), we had to do major keel box work after only 6 months of use. 

GNAV meant you couldn't keep the main on the boat when down, same with the jib system.

When you were sailing as much as we do when taking it seriously, it's nice to be able to keep the main on the boom, jib furled (if there is only one) and keep the kite rigged, and then hoist/drop the boat AND keel using a crane.

Instead the damn keel still had to be lifted/dropped manually, then lifting straps were used to pick the boat up, and they had to be removed and stored.

Compared to an almost identical boat we had before (but we swapped in the hopes of 1 design) the launch and retrieve time was 30-45 mins instead of the 15 mins from the previous boat.

So our experience was 1-1.5 hours prep/de-rig time per sail, instead of 30 mins, and the new boat required more work on it in 1 year of ownership compared to 3 with the previous used sport boat.

It also wasn't the 3 man boat we were sold, it was a 4 man boat in our conditions, so what we really were looking for was a VX one at the time, which didn't exist yet.

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On 4/30/2019 at 11:53 PM, darth reapius said:

It was a new boat, many years ago now (7 maybe, my memories fading), we had to do major keel box work after only 6 months of use. 

GNAV meant you couldn't keep the main on the boat when down, same with the jib system.

When you were sailing as much as we do when taking it seriously, it's nice to be able to keep the main on the boom, jib furled (if there is only one) and keep the kite rigged, and then hoist/drop the boat AND keel using a crane.

Instead the damn keel still had to be lifted/dropped manually, then lifting straps were used to pick the boat up, and they had to be removed and stored.

Compared to an almost identical boat we had before (but we swapped in the hopes of 1 design) the launch and retrieve time was 30-45 mins instead of the 15 mins from the previous boat.

So our experience was 1-1.5 hours prep/de-rig time per sail, instead of 30 mins, and the new boat required more work on it in 1 year of ownership compared to 3 with the previous used sport boat.

It also wasn't the 3 man boat we were sold, it was a 4 man boat in our conditions, so what we really were looking for was a VX one at the time, which didn't exist yet.

Yup.  Owned an older hull #33 and can attest to all these shortcomings.  The VX-1 pretty much cleaned it all up.

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We are doing preparing a Fareast 19R clinic next Spring in Montreal. It is a great boat and it fits exactly what you mentioned. Send me a message if you want to know more about this clinic @J88 Alchemy

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On 11/27/2019 at 8:55 AM, Fareast28R CAN2 said:

We are doing preparing a Fareast 19R clinic next Spring in Montreal. It is a great boat and it fits exactly what you mentioned. Send me a message if you want to know more about this clinic @J88 Alchemy

Can you let me know please what the build quality is like, please? I am just deciding whether to get on a plane and look at a 19r and any info from a current owner would be fantastic.

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Hi @Pipe Dream

We currently don't have one in stock but we know a sailor on sailing anarchy that has been doing the most intense research for the kind of boat you are looking into. He has put all his results in an excel sheet. Send me an email to info@fareastboats.ca and I will connect you with him.  He will be able to tell you why he wants a 19R instead of the other boat.  *He is not affiliated with us. 

We can also chat about quality. The finish on the boat is phenomenal and you can feel it when you sail it. As a reference, we have a 28R for sale #16 out of 450. Except for the fitting the owner added to the boat, it looks just like new and it is as stiff as the first day.  Fareast used materials that are up to twice the price of regular material for their boat. 

Let me know where you are located and I will try to find someone one is living close to you.

Best,

Martin Robitaille

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 4/7/2019 at 9:00 PM, NextExit said:

You may want to take a look at/charter one of the Flying Tiger 7.5’s. 

There was a nice FT 7.5 for sale in San Diego asking $18,000 or so.  I haven't seen the ad in a few weeks.  A friend who has one said it should sell for $13-15k because there are no fleets.

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On 4/15/2019 at 10:38 AM, arr4ws said:

ever considered a melges 24? found some very well equiped one for less than your budget.

 

Melges 20s are also now going for $15-20k.  Look on the Melges used boat page.

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The price list from FarEast Canada make it appear that a new 19R would be less expensive than a used Seascape 18, if you could find one. Am I reading things correctly? 

In addition, I know the Seascape is excellent for single handing, anyone know about the 19R solo?

Thanks

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@europa

 

It would depend on the condition of the Seascape we are talking about but yes, the price on our website is valid and very competitive. 

You can sail the Fareast 28R double-handed. A Fareast 19R can be used with the same principle to be sailed single-handed. 

We have one slot left to order a Fareast 19R with the early winter discount (valid until February 14th). 

Give us a call 

514-702-3514

Best,

Martin

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6 hours ago, europa said:

Just to further muddle the discussion, anyone here have experience with the Ultimate 20?

Great little boats. I crewed on a couple of them for three years in a row. They were holding their value well but the fleet seems to be getting a little quiet these days. Definitely easy to trailer and launch. We towed one from Salt Lake to San Diego with my 4Runner V6, not perfect, but good enough.

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On 2/8/2020 at 4:26 PM, europa said:

Just to further muddle the discussion, anyone here have experience with the Ultimate 20?

The U20 has been around for 25 years and is a solid, strong, well behaved, fun to sail boat that meets the requirements listed in the original post. Cost will be below $20k, possibly below$15k depending on the boat.  Before continuing the U20 commercial, what are looking for in addition to what the original poster asked about?  Along those lines, what are you looking to avoid? 

 

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Happy owner of a Fareast 19R  in Australia here. We've had the boat for 6 months, bought it brand new just before COVID-19 hit. I did quite a bit of sailing on the larger 28R before. Loved the bigger boat so when an offer appeared for a 19R we snapped it up. Bought it with two other friends, we drafted and signed a simple syndicate / shared ownership agreement.

We only had one opportunity to race it at a club before COVID-19 restrictions kicked in and all racing stopped. Have since sailed it regularly single-handed & double-handed and recently with the restrictions easing we started doing some training with 3 or 4 onboard. No problem sailing it 2 up. Ideal crew for racing is 3 or 4. I did a few single-handed laps around the local islands and haven't had any issues so far, even managed to sail with the kite. The tiller locks in to provide some self-steering and then you can balance the boat with sails and your own body weight. We opted for a furler for the jib so that makes it extra practical. I've even taken it out (solo) for an overnight trip to another island, anchored, slept inside rather than in the cockpit because of mosquitoes and sailed back next day. So far sailed it with friends, husband and a bunch of young kids and they all enjoyed it.

We have a trailer with an extension bar and guide posts so it's super easy to launch & retrieve with a family car. If sailing with regular crew we have the boat in and out of water in about 30 minutes, if I'm getting it ready solo it's about 1hr.

Love it so far and looking forward to more racing in the next season.

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On 4/8/2019 at 2:38 AM, J88 Alchemy said:

Hi,

 

Does anyone have any info on the Fareast 19 R in terms of performance, build quality, etc.?

Other than the J/70, what other sport boats exist that:

  • Perform well
  • Can be ramp launched (retractable keel)
  • Are less than 40K
  • Range from 18 - 24'

 

Thanks!

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Are you too tight to buy an ad?

Anyway, the last thing the sailing world needs right now is another boat type.  Another one to sail without another one to race against.

No wonder the world is fucked.

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Hi @astro,

 

The timing of your questions if great. I just delivered the first batch of 19R in North America in time for their pre-launch. 

We also did a sailing test of the 19R and our media sailboat for the pictures was a J70...!

Beyond the typical compliments about how it looks modern and sexy, everyone who sailed one or seen one agrees that it is a fun dry fast boat that is the perfect fit for an independent sailor that wants to be able to do everything himself.  The way the deck is layout, you can be at the helm and adjust the gennaker, the jib or the mainsail. 

I am a true 28R lover but it was not for my passion for speed, the 19R would be my boat of choice without any doubt. You can sail it alone or up to 4 people. You can put the mast up by yourself. It can surf and get planning. There is a lot of simplicity and fun overall on this boat. 

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@Fareast28R CAN2 do you know how many Fareast 19Rs you have across Canada & USA now? I connected with one other owner from US, I think he's from Pennsylvania.

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@Water SpiritThis was the pre-launch for us. There are only two at this moment as they were imported with some ribs. One of the 19R owner is from Pennsylvania. Really nice sailor. He was looking into that kind of boat for a very long time. We are looking to get four to eight 19R next year for the full launch. It is a bit hard to estimate with the covid but without any advertisement over the summer and the COVID, a lot of people are still looking into the 19R. The biggest challenge we have now is that most marinas are at full capacity so it is hard to bring a new boat in if you don't have a spot. 

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Cool, the guy from Pennsylvania got in touch with me over instagram after I posted some photos from our test sail way back in January and we connected. Our boat was delivered in February and then he asked me a few questions about how it was going. He mentioned his was delivered recently. COVID-19 really put a break on many things but hey, we've been enjoying our little boat regardless. We tend to get a lot of comments when launching about how sexy or fast it looks. Even had some elderly lady walk over and exclaim she's a beauty. Had to giggle at that.

Otherwise I think we're in a similar situation in Australia. There are another four 19Rs up in Darwin and they sail from their club too but that's about 3000km away from where we are. There's a few more 28Rs in the country which is how I got introduced to Fareast boats and hey, I liked it. I'm not a very experienced sailor but I love the thrill of it - simple but fast, versatility of being able to sail it hard or take it easy.

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On 8/6/2020 at 7:08 AM, astro said:

Are you too tight to buy an ad?

Anyway, the last thing the sailing world needs right now is another boat type.  Another one to sail without another one to race against.

No wonder the world is fucked.

J88 Alchemy, whose post you quoted in your reply, was not a dealer. He was a friend of mine and a fellow sailor on Lake Champlain. He sadly passed away this spring from a brain tumor.

Congratulations on insulting a dead man on the internet. I will leave it at that.

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5 minutes ago, Streetwise said:

J88 Alchemy was not a dealer. He was a friend of mine and a fellow sailor on Lake Champlain. He sadly passed away this spring from a brain tumor.

Congratulations on insulting a dead man on the internet. I will leave it at that.

Thanks Streetwise.  Actually I'm his former boat partner and I appreciate you sticking up for both DB and me.  It's been a very sad summer.  I originally made the post when DB and I were both exploring sport boats after selling our J/88.  I was doing some research for both of us on the Fareast as well as other new designs. 

Astro, not sure why you thought a legitimate question was an ad, or why you would be so abrasive.  The world is F&*K@d because kindness and civility seem to be disappearing.  I haven't made a post on SA in a long time for a couple of reasons, but one reason is the negativity of some posters.  

Thanks again Streetwise, I know we all miss DB terribly. 

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8 minutes ago, J88 Alchemy said:

Thanks Streetwise.  Actually I'm his former boat partner and I appreciate you sticking up for both DB and me.  It's been a very sad summer.  I originally made the post when DB and I were both exploring sport boats after selling our J/88.  I was doing some research for both of us on the Fareast as well as other new designs. 

Astro, not sure why you thought a legitimate question was an ad, or why you would be so abrasive.  The world is F&*K@d because kindness and civility seem to be disappearing.  I haven't made a post on SA in a long time for a couple of reasons, but one reason is the negativity of some posters.  

Thanks again Streetwise, I know we all miss DB terribly. 

Best wishes buddy. I hope you have sailed more than my one sail this summer.

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On 8/6/2020 at 3:32 AM, Water Spirit said:

Happy owner of a Fareast 19R  in Australia here. We've had the boat for 6 months, bought it brand new just before COVID-19 hit. I did quite a bit of sailing on the larger 28R before. Loved the bigger boat so when an offer appeared for a 19R we snapped it up. Bought it with two other friends, we drafted and signed a simple syndicate / shared ownership agreement.

We only had one opportunity to race it at a club before COVID-19 restrictions kicked in and all racing stopped. Have since sailed it regularly single-handed & double-handed and recently with the restrictions easing we started doing some training with 3 or 4 onboard. No problem sailing it 2 up. Ideal crew for racing is 3 or 4. I did a few single-handed laps around the local islands and haven't had any issues so far, even managed to sail with the kite. The tiller locks in to provide some self-steering and then you can balance the boat with sails and your own body weight. We opted for a furler for the jib so that makes it extra practical. I've even taken it out (solo) for an overnight trip to another island, anchored, slept inside rather than in the cockpit because of mosquitoes and sailed back next day. So far sailed it with friends, husband and a bunch of young kids and they all enjoyed it.

We have a trailer with an extension bar and guide posts so it's super easy to launch & retrieve with a family car. If sailing with regular crew we have the boat in and out of water in about 30 minutes, if I'm getting it ready solo it's about 1hr.

Love it so far and looking forward to more racing in the next season.

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question 1, way is the boom so long in photo1? The main does not look reefed. (We can talk about trim later)

Question 2, I forgot (darn phones take to long to peck stuff in). 

How does she sail in say under 10? Always liked the 28, but I only sailed the 24, and she did not like anything under 10, or so. Lots of wetted surface that just did not want to release. Fat boats of less weight seem to survive fine,  but the fr24 I sailed just would not get up and go. I really like the concept, design and looks. Just needs to lose some weight imho  (don't we all).

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Hi @Varan

1. I think the boom looks so long because of two things. The camera is wide angle so it really skews the image and it looks weird. The outhaul is perhaps eased a little too much, foot too open. You can see the outhaul position numbers on the boom and it's sitting at around 4-5, a little too loose I think even though very light wind.

The photo is from one of my earlier solos back in March and I'm trying to bag the kite if that makes more sense. I'm looking at that channel marker probably thinking I better pull the kite down before I get there. Initially we also had the outhaul line run to a horn cleat on the mast which was pretty stupid to adjust. We changed that to having a cleat on the boom and we now run the outhaul line straight back along the boom, though a little cleat under the boom, then a bungee cord tied at the back of the boom so it's much easier to adjust and it stays neatly in place. I have photos somewhere if anyone's interested.

2. In under 10kn you can expect to get somewhere between 60-75% boat speed compared to wind speed. Not much difference between upwind and downwind. I suppose like other boats with fat bottoms, you need to try lift the stern out so it's not dragging through the water. Crew weight as far forward as possible and to leeward to give it a bit of a heel and reduce the wetted surface. Also helps of course if your crew is light. I think if you have enough wind to keep the kite full, she glides along quite effortlessly. From experience so far, if you have 4kn+ breeze she moves, under that it's really not much fun but I think that's probably the case with any boat right. We're lucky here in Moreton Bay that we almost always have 10kn+. Lighter winds in winters and this autumn/winter we had lots of very light days. 

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Also maybe a video of upwind sailing in light conditions. Sea looks pretty flat so this is probably just under 10kn of breeze.

 

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Hi @stealingisacrime,

 

I am Martin Robitaille, a Fareast distributor. Yes, there should a few more next Spring. Feel free to send me an email at info@fareastboats.ca and I will be happy to help you get more information about the 19R.

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

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On 11/16/2020 at 10:20 AM, Fareast28R CAN2 said:

Hi @stealingisacrime,

 

I am Martin Robitaille, a Fareast distributor. Yes, there should a few more next Spring. Feel free to send me an email at info@fareastboats.ca and I will be happy to help you get more information about the 19R.

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

Sent you an email a while back asking about the FE26. No response.

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We've got some good deals on 2019 ex-demo RS21s with E-Propulsion engines included! Or brand new boats!

Lots going on with the RS21 with charters for Charleston Race and we're supplying a fleet of 12 to the 2021 US Sailing Chubb Junior Championships and the 2022 New York Yacht Club Resolute Cup.

There are about 30 privately or club owned RS21s in the US, 3 in Canada, and another 10 ex-charters or new boats in stock. 

I know I'm biased, but the boat speaks for itself, it's the most balanced and well behaved yet exciting small keelboat you'll find! 

Drop me a note here or at todd@rssailing.com if I can help!

Sail22 appointed as North America's RS21 Rep | XS Sailing

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If Boston is too far away for you and you are near Charlotte, NC and would like to come and take a quick sail, if I am available I'd be happy to take you out and let you feel how the RS sails. I got a RS in November and really enjoy how it moves. 

Neil

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On 1/26/2021 at 3:12 PM, Treads said:

If Boston is too far away for you and you are near Charlotte, NC and would like to come and take a quick sail, if I am available I'd be happy to take you out and let you feel how the RS sails. I got a RS in November and really enjoy how it moves. 

Neil

That sounds awesome. I have a brother-in-law in Charlotte and have sailed at Lake Norman many times (Lightnings, MCs, Jn18s). I loved the Johnson 18 and have often thought that a boat that was just enough bigger to be drier, with some stowage, would be really nice.

The contenders so far in the thread (no particular order)-

The Far East 19

Far East 23

Viper 640

Vx-1 (i've trialed one of these, IMHO very tough to beat)

Seascape/Beneteau 18

i550

RS21

U20

J70

FT 7.5 (a little bigger but also ticks a lot of boxes)

Melges 24 (the grandaddy of all, not a bad boat either)

What we need is an quantified assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of each, plus a lot of photos and maybe some videos... personally I prefer still photos but I'm old fashioned. Light air? Heavy air? Budget to campaign -seriously-? Beachability? Sail with wife? Sail with hard-core buddies? So far most of what we've heard is "I own/have sailed an XYV 19/21 and I love it" which is good to know but not scientific enough.

Gentlemen, can we strike up an agreement?

FB- Doug

 

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On 1/27/2021 at 6:11 PM, Steam Flyer said:

That sounds awesome. I have a brother-in-law in Charlotte and have sailed at Lake Norman many times (Lightnings, MCs, Jn18s). I loved the Johnson 18 and have often thought that a boat that was just enough bigger to be drier, with some stowage, would be really nice.

The contenders so far in the thread (no particular order)-

The Far East 19

Far East 23

Viper 640

Vx-1 (i've trialed one of these, IMHO very tough to beat)

Seascape/Beneteau 18

i550

RS21

U20

J70

FT 7.5 (a little bigger but also ticks a lot of boxes)

Melges 24 (the grandaddy of all, not a bad boat either)

What we need is an quantified assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of each, plus a lot of photos and maybe some videos... personally I prefer still photos but I'm old fashioned. Light air? Heavy air? Budget to campaign -seriously-? Beachability? Sail with wife? Sail with hard-core buddies? So far most of what we've heard is "I own/have sailed an XYV 19/21 and I love it" which is good to know but not scientific enough.

Gentlemen, can we strike up an agreement?

FB- Doug

 

I am of course biased as the RS is my new toy. Let me know if you wanna come and sail. I will be going head to head with VX-1, J-70, and U-20 from the boats you have listed on Wednesday nights. The VX-1 is a 102, J-70 is a 117, U-20 is a 141, and they have handed me a 114 PHRF. 

Neil

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