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It was The Queen who said: “May God bless her and all who sail in her,” as she commissioned Britain’s latest warship, the HMS Queen Elizabeth, in 2014.

But now the tradition of referring to boats as "she" or "her" is under threat after centuries of naval history.

On Tuesday it emerged that a British maritime museum has begun referring to ships it exhibits as "it" in a bid to appear more gender neutral.

The decision taken by the Scottish Maritime Museum near Troon was sparked by vandals. Twice in four months, references to boats as "she" have been scratched out of information signs, forcing the charity’s director to scrap the gender-specific term altogether.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/23/gender-neutral-boats-rise-maritime-museum-removes-signs-referring/

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24 minutes ago, nolatom said:

It seems Lloyd's Register of Shipping has come 'round to "it", over a decade ago.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1388373/Lloyds-List-sinks-the-tradition-of-calling-ships-she.html

I, on the other hand, haven't....

Does that mean the ship is a mother, or a woman to lust over (I will stay away from oedipus complexes which would merge the two)?

Seriously, it is curious that a "genderless" language refers to ships in a gendered way. The convention must have a long history.

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I can't remember which org it was, I want to say Red Cross but that doesn't make any sense, had a "learn to sail book". For whatever reason (boredom mostly) I was flipping through it and came to the section on man over board.... Except, they didn't call it man over board. they called it "person in the water". Ok, fine, whatever. But then it said if someone falls off, that you should also then yell - "person in the water" - rather than "man overboard". So that's great.... Let's take a relatively easy to say phrase with few syllables, and spread it out so that more confusion can be added on a windy day with lots of noise and clusterfucks so that someone's feelings aren't hurt. Oh, not to mention, hearing the phrase "man overboard" will instantly make anyone who's been around boats for a few years hair stand up and give a little shot of adrenaline. IT's been drilled into our heads for (centuries? decades?) to be on the alert for "man overboard". This was probably ten or twelve years ago, even. 

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Referring to a TP52 or an M32 as a "she" makes about as much sense as referring to Scarlett Johansen as an "it".

But I'm all for keeping "Thar' she blows", "Git 'er done" and "That's all she wrote" in the language.

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16 minutes ago, mustang__1 said:

I can't remember which org it was, I want to say Red Cross but that doesn't make any sense, had a "learn to sail book". For whatever reason (boredom mostly) I was flipping through it and came to the section on man over board.... Except, they didn't call it man over board. they called it "person in the water". Ok, fine, whatever. But then it said if someone falls off, that you should also then yell - "person in the water" - rather than "man overboard". So that's great.... Let's take a relatively easy to say phrase with few syllables, and spread it out so that more confusion can be added on a windy day with lots of noise and clusterfucks so that someone's feelings aren't hurt. Oh, not to mention, hearing the phrase "man overboard" will instantly make anyone who's been around boats for a few years hair stand up and give a little shot of adrenaline. IT's been drilled into our heads for (centuries? decades?) to be on the alert for "man overboard". This was probably ten or twelve years ago, even. 

That's a lot of text to complain about a 5 syllable phrase compared to a 4 syllable one.  

On my boat we just say "Where the fuck's Gary?"  

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Just now, Left Shift said:

That's a lot of text to complain about a 5 syllable phrase compared to a 4 syllable one.  

On my boat we just say "Where the fuck's Gary?"  

on mine we say "who the fuck is gary?" 

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1 minute ago, mustang__1 said:

on mine we say "who the fuck is gary?" 

Cuz for 24 years you’ve been living next door to Alice.

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I, too, think that boats should not be referred as female.

Boats are way too predictable and logical to be female.

Except feminists. Radical feminists are predictable AF.

 

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32 minutes ago, mustang__1 said:

But then it said if someone falls off, that you should also then yell - "person in the water" - rather than "man overboard".

Does that mean I have to sell my MOB equipment and replace it with PITW equipment?

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Just now, Jules said:

Does that mean I have to sell my MOB equipment and replace it with PITW equipment?

obviously. 

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16 minutes ago, mustang__1 said:

on mine we say "who the fuck is gary?" 

On mine we say "why the fuck's Gary??"

 

Come on, even if ya didn't just see the movie for the 1000th time.  Ya gotta admit its funny...  :)

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Wow! Hmmm thought Scotland working on another election of staying in EU while England is leaving... who knows... maybe it is more important to take care about gender mainstream first. I guess Scotland has bigger problems to solve than gender naming topics. Might be a positiv signal that everything else in this country must be so satisfying that they have time to deal with such minor bullshit. 

Well, let’s get some popcorn to be prepared watching the self destruction.

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4 minutes ago, Jules said:

Does that mean I have to sell my MOB equipment and replace it with PITW equipment?

Well, soon we will learn to call it "agua".   So then that expensive bag of stuff hanging off your pushpit will be labeled PITA.

Much like Gary.

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3 minutes ago, Jules said:

Does that mean I have to sell my MOB equipment and replace it with PITW equipment?

I am not joking... in Germany they really work on person over board (POB) for some years now. Guess what... nearly nobody is using it.

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18 minutes ago, braunle said:

I am not joking... in Germany they really work on person over board (POB) for some years now. Guess what... nearly nobody is using it.

Why not use "crew"???  It's what everyone is.  No gender issues, no PC issues, and saves that vital syllable?  

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"in the water" is clumsy and not directly known--you have to actually do the listening thing to that.
"overboard" is fucking obvious.

Somebody at the landlubberly org that wrote the person in the water thing should stick to tennis.

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13 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Why not use "crew"???

Cuz then someone will think the entire crew went overboard.

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A handful of hipster douches get offended while visiting a maritime museum so they can appear "cultured", vandalize said museum and now all of the sudden 100's of years of maritime tradition and 10's of millions of sailors have to change? Hahaha! Good luck with that.

The reason I know it was a hipster douche is because a true sailor knows that if you point something out that bothers you, we're going to hammer that until you get pissed enough to leave.

f#ck 'em all.

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1 hour ago, Left Shift said:

Referring to a TP52 or an M32 as a "she" makes about as much sense as referring to Scarlett Johansen as an "it".

But I'm all for keeping "Thar' she blows", "Git 'er done" and "That's all she wrote" in the language.

Of course they're "she's"

They're expensive, have a ton of aesthetic upgrades and they're best left for the weekend. (This is my attempt at a clean version)

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In French I've heard either pronouns, Russians always use male. Ppl care too much to make a fuss about it being female, ppl care too much reacting all out of proportion because of one museum. 

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4 hours ago, Jules said:

Does that mean I have to sell my MOB equipment and replace it with PITW equipment?

PITW -  Pissing into the wind  :\

 

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3 hours ago, OutofOffice said:

Of course they're "she's"

They're expensive, have a ton of aesthetic upgrades and they're best left for the weekend. (This is my attempt at a clean version)

Skene's Elements of Yacht Design, Francis S. Kinney edition:

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Cry baby bitches who have literally nothing else to do. The term "she" and "her" is meant with reverence and respect. Fine,  all ships are dudes then. Problem solved. 

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18 minutes ago, medic38 said:

Cry baby bitches who have literally nothing else to do. The term "she" and "her" is meant with reverence and respect. Fine,  all ships are dudes then. Problem solved. 

The funny thing is that many ships are named with male names. But they are still "she." Heck, some are named after places.
Prince of Fundy
City of Hartford

James D. Moran

etc...

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25 minutes ago, medic38 said:

Cry baby bitches who have literally nothing else to do. The term "she" and "her" is meant with reverence and respect. Fine,  all ships are dudes then. Problem solved. 

This,  +1  Why the fuck the Snowflakes give a shit if you refer boats as "Her or She."  Fuck, why don't we just let the boat decide what they want to be referred as.

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4 minutes ago, Kirklandboat said:

This,  +1  Why the fuck the Snowflakes give a shit if you refer boats as "Her or She."  Fuck, why don't we just let the boat decide what they want to be referred as.

We never realized how absurd the "gender wars" would become!

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My boat is gender fluid. When the sailing is good, a she. When I want to burn the fucking thing to the waterline, an it. It's been an it a lot recently.

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6 hours ago, Somebody Else said:

I, too, think that boats should not be referred as female.

Boats are way too predictable and logical to be female.

Except feminists. Radical feminists are predictable AF.

 

I once had a woman (feminist facsist) tell me women can multi task and men can't.

I asked her to sit down and shutup. My point was made, she was incapable of either.

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8 hours ago, Somebody Else said:

I, too, think that boats should not be referred as female.

Boats are way too predictable and logical to be female.

Except feminists. Radical feminists are predictable AF.

 

Boats are bitches most times. With a stiff breeze I nevertheless get my one going crazy.

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Wow what a great sailing experience on the Mighty (insert name here) LGC3POQ really was a great ride! 

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9 hours ago, Kirklandboat said:

This,  +1  Why the fuck the Snowflakes give a shit if you refer boats as "Her or She."  Fuck, why don't we just let the boat decide what they want to be referred as.

First of all, the mere ownership of a luxury such as a boat or "yacht" enrages millennial socialists. Nearly everyone on this forum is guilty of privilege, and "owning too much stuff." Well...maybe the dude sailing a clapped out 70's Hobie Cat or Laser can be excused.

 

9 hours ago, medic38 said:

Cry baby bitches who have literally nothing else to do. The term "she" and "her" is meant with reverence and respect. Fine,  all ships are dudes then. Problem solved. 

Second, naming all boats after men and referring to them as "he" is reinforcing the "patriarchy."  Referring to vessels as "he" OR "she" is discriminating against non-cisgender, pan-gender or queer-gender peoples.

You all realize that there's no winning this argument, right?  We're all doomed.

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10 hours ago, fastyacht said:

Skene's Elements of Yacht Design, Francis S. Kinney edition:

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"They don't want their wives to know."

I rest my case.

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The majority of people I have ever seen in the last 20 years referring to boats as "her" and "she" are noobs.

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I never refer to boats as "she" or "he" . it seems affected. They are just boats.

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1 hour ago, Ajax said:

You all realize that there's no winning this argument, right?  We're all doomed.

That's why you have Captain Obvious as your avatar ;-P

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35 minutes ago, Bob Perry said:

I never refer to boats as "she" or "He" . it seems affected. They are just boats.

To be PC you need to use the gender-less term "they"

No i am not kidding someone at the U of Toronto was running around getting all antsy about he and she and suggested "they" 

She They is a pretty boar

I mean honest to God the level of "thinking" some of these dopes have is mind boggling 

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11 hours ago, Swimsailor said:

I've asked.  My boat identifies as a she so i'm sticking with that.

I should tell the handicapper that my boat identifies as a Catalina 30.

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You think that is a scandal? My new yacht moved from Northern Ireland and is now registered in France where yachts are male. Sarah has had to change sex to live in Europe. Disgraceful!

 

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welcome to the political correctness dictatorship.

paging mr. orwell and mr. kafka.

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On 4/25/2019 at 5:42 AM, Left Shift said:

Well, soon we will learn to call it "agua".   So then that expensive bag of stuff hanging off your pushpit will be labeled PITA.

I'm the expensive bag of stuff hanging off the pulpit...

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Maybe it is because I am from a Greek family.  The word boat in Greek is feminine (η βάρκα).  Of course, there is no consensus on this across languages.  The word for boat in Spanish (el barco) and French (le bateau) is masculine, but it is feminine in Italian (la barca).  The following are things that I refer to as "her".  I don't claim consistency on this.  It has to do with the degree of sentimental attachment.  My powerboat, my wife's SUV, and my mountain bike are all "it".

 

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On 4/25/2019 at 7:57 AM, Ajax said:

First of all, the mere ownership of a luxury such as a boat or "yacht" enrages millennial socialists. Nearly everyone on this forum is guilty of privilege, and "owning too much stuff." Well...maybe the dude sailing a clapped out 70's Hobie Cat or Laser can be excused.

 

Second, naming all boats after men and referring to them as "he" is reinforcing the "patriarchy."  Referring to vessels as "he" OR "she" is discriminating against non-cisgender, pan-gender or queer-gender peoples.

You all realize that there's no winning this argument, right?  We're all doomed.

Ajax, we are all doomed indeed.

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On 4/25/2019 at 11:21 AM, Cock Robin said:

You think that is a scandal? My new yacht moved from Northern Ireland and is now registered in France where yachts are male. Sarah has had to change sex to live in Europe. Disgraceful!

 

The French must love trannies. :wub:

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Wouldn't cut the mustard in France where everything is gendered.

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Like most likely any language where there is no neutral for objects (everything is either masculine or feminine), French can make it more complicated.

As said above, "un bateau" (a boat) is masculine. Also, un voilier (a sailboat) un cotre (a cutter) are masculine

BUT

Une barque (a small rowing boat?), une goelette (a schooner) are feminine

The funny part is that we actually use in French a lot of English word to describe different type of sailboats: sloop, yawl, ketch, catboat... and in French, ALL of them are masculine...

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Guess I should change my name on this forum....

 

I’m all for equality but sometimes people get in a lather over ridiculous things. As for that nonsense about “person in the water” the less said the better.

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7 hours ago, Laurent said:

Like most likely any language where there is no neutral for objects (everything is either masculine or feminine), French can make it more complicated.

As said above, "un bateau" (a boat) is masculine. Also, un voilier (a sailboat) un cotre (a cutter) are masculinE (...)

Complicated? In German words can be masculine, feminine or neutral. “Boat” is neutral, but individual boats are rendered to as “she”, even if they have a masculine name or are schooners ( the word “schooner” is male). Cars btw are neutral but often referred to as “he”. See? - That’s complicated! 

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Maybe the next boat I'll own I'll name it "She".  

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Damn, some of you all sound very TRIGGERED by the idea of boats getting misgendered (in your opinions.) Wonder how you'd feel if that happened to you as a person.

 

In the name of disclosure my boat identifies as non-binary. Not a single digital system aboard. 

And here are my wife's tits:

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So I checked with my friend at Lloyds Register (24 years) and was informed that vessels are just referred to by name. No gender required.  Your mileage may vary.

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So in the English language we have words like, for, fore, four. So we can use the word she to describe women, then rename it shea or shee and that word could be used to describe boats with out being  sexists.

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Put your outrage sticks away, it's one museum 

No-one is going to be thrown in the gulag for calling their boat 'she'

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What is Boaty McBoatface?

Seems like lots of swing room at anchor to get offended by something.

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My boat just self identified as cis gendered but "curious" now I am really lost  

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Seems a good time to collect boat vagina photos...there is a reason they are called she.

No marine cabinet maker worth a salt would fail to craft a lovely vag from a knot in marine plywood.

My S2 has big teak beaver in the bulk head forward of the salon. Previous owner put a clock over it...

the only dick on a boat is probably behind the wheel and barging the start....

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On 4/27/2019 at 4:08 AM, The Main Man said:

Guess I should change my name on this forum....

 

I’m all for equality but sometimes people get in a lather over ridiculous things. As for that nonsense about “person in the water” the less said the better.

"The Main Person!"

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On 4/27/2019 at 4:39 AM, 10thTonner said:

Complicated? In German words can be masculine, feminine or neutral. “Boat” is neutral, but individual boats are rendered to as “she”, even if they have a masculine name or are schooners ( the word “schooner” is male). Cars btw are neutral but often referred to as “he”. See? - That’s complicated! 

 

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On 4/24/2019 at 3:12 PM, Left Shift said:

Well, soon we will learn to call it "agua".   So then that expensive bag of stuff hanging off your pushpit will be labeled PITA.

If we are to go to silly extremes then we must take into consideration the person may or may not self identify as a person.  (maybe they want to be a Unicorn).

With the above in mind my wife suggested we start calling it the Crew Lost In Transit bag.  If it has to carry a CLIT bag the boat must be female.

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4 minutes ago, Little Wood Boats said:

If we are to go to silly extremes then we must take into consideration the person may or may not self identify as a person.  (maybe they want to be a Unicorn).

With the above in mind my wife suggested we start calling it the Crew Lost In Transit bag.  If it has to carry a CLIT bag the boat must be female.

or had a lousy divorce attorney.

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