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Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Huge Losses

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1 minute ago, billy backstay said:

 

There you go with the "whataboutis", again...

Yeah, I do that a lot. Is it a problem?

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

Yeah, I do that a lot. Is it a problem?

Only if you want to engage in the topic, at hand.

Now, if all you want to do is change the subject to draw attention away from the Trumpster fire, well......

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34 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Losing money strongly is the coolest!

Kinda like pissing in your pants.....

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Only if you want to engage in the topic, at hand.

Now, if all you want to do is change the subject to draw attention away from the Trumpster fire, well......

BJ had already changed the subject to the character of people who don't care that Trump lost money 30 years ago. I simply expanded it to the character of people who didn't care that a young woman suffocated in a submerged car.

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

BJ had already changed the subject to the character of people who don't care that Trump lost money 30 years ago. I simply expanded it to the character of people who didn't care that a young woman suffocated in a submerged car.

Deflection.  Hopefully, you are being paid handsomely for this defense.

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Is Ted Kennedy your go-to guy or what? You LOVE that guy for thread wrecking.

Here is a hint - Republicans are projectionists supreme. We aren't like you. We don't have a team that is good and another team that is bad. I can think Trump is an utter piece of shit in 2019 AND that Ted Kennedy deserved to go to jail back when I was learning my colors in kindergarten.

* also note Ted never had a national office, so almost all of us never had a chance to vote for or against him ;)

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1 minute ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Is Ted Kennedy your go-to guy or what? You LOVE that guy for thread wrecking.

Here is a hint - Republicans are projectionists supreme. We aren't like you. We don't have a team that is good and another team that is bad. I can think Trump is an utter piece of shit in 2019 AND that Ted Kennedy deserved to go to jail back when I was learning my colors in kindergarten.

* also note Ted never had a national office, so almost all of us never had a chance to vote for or against him ;)

Dog will tell you how he doesn't like President Trump.

Then, when he sees someone say a mean thing about the POTUS, he brings up Obama/Hillary/Kennedy.

Sad.

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It is the Republican Ratchet - once any Democrat does any bad thing, forever after the standards of society ratchet down so any Republican can do whatever it was until the end of time with no complaints.

So if Ted can drown girls, then Donny can certainly grab their pussies :rolleyes:

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1 minute ago, kent_island_sailor said:

It is the Republican Ratchet - once any Democrat does any bad thing, forever after the standards of society ratchet down so any Republican can do whatever it was until the end of time with no complaints.

So if Ted can drown girls, then Donny can certainly grab their pussies :rolleyes:

I find it hilarious that folks can take the stance that something the opposition has done is horrible/reprehensible/etc. and turn around and cite that as a reason for their team doing the same thing.

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3 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I find it hilarious that folks can take the stance that something the opposition has done is horrible/reprehensible/etc. and turn around and cite that as a reason for their team doing the same thing.

The best part will be watching @Dog go ballistic when a democRAT President does the same stuff. We’ve already seen that show with his eight year ride on the Fiscal Responsibility Express. It’s been quiet on board since 1/20/17. 

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The best part of this is that it was brought up before the election, and Trump even wrote a book about it years ago.  But the media is telling you the sky is falling again and you believe them.  Talk about lemmings.

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16 minutes ago, Dog said:

BJ had already changed the subject to the character of people who don't care that Trump lost money 30 years ago. I simply expanded it to the character of people who didn't care that a young woman suffocated in a submerged car.

These things have nothing to do with each other.  This is about Trump conning the lemmings into thinking he's the greatest businessman ever.  Turns out he's not even close to being what he claims.  Good people fail all the time and make a comeback.  Good people make mistakes, own up to them and make changes to do better.  Shitty people claim to have never done anything wrong, spew hated and vitriol and blame others for the failures that others have heaped upon them.  This man is the fucking President of the United States.

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9 minutes ago, Gone Drinking said:

The best part of this is that it was brought up before the election, and Trump even wrote a book about it years ago.  But the media is telling you the sky is falling again and you believe them.  Talk about lemmings.

Trump is incapable of writing a book.

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“Trump’s portfolio did not jibe with what I saw each day—which to a surprisingly large extent was him looking at fabric swatches,” said the ghostwriter. “Indeed, flipping through fabric swatches seemed at times to be his main occupation. Some days he would do it for hours, then take me in what he always called his ‘French military helicopter’ to Atlantic City—where he looked at more fabric swatches.”

 

According to Leerhsen, Trump's obsession with carpets and curtains appeared to stem from his lack of understanding of much more important business decisions. The writer recounted one decision Trump reportedly made that exposed his complete lack of ability as a businessman.

“One of his aides once told me that every room at the Plaza could be filled at the ‘rack rate’ (list price) every night and the revenue still wouldn’t cover the monthly payment of the loan he’d taken out to buy the place,” said Leerhsen. “In other words, he’d made a ridiculous deal. Neither he nor the banks had done the math beforehand.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/second-trump-ghostwriter-says-he-was-lousy-at-business-bored-and-obsessed-with-carpet-swatches?ref=home

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1 minute ago, Ishmael said:

Or reading one. Coloring in one might be within his skill set and attention span.

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Just now, jerseyguy said:

Or reading one. Coloring in one might be within his skill set and attention span.

If he didn't eat all the nice colours first.

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45 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Is Ted Kennedy your go-to guy or what? You LOVE that guy for thread wrecking.

Here is a hint - Republicans are projectionists supreme. We aren't like you. We don't have a team that is good and another team that is bad. I can think Trump is an utter piece of shit in 2019 AND that Ted Kennedy deserved to go to jail back when I was learning my colors in kindergarten.

* also note Ted never had a national office, so almost all of us never had a chance to vote for or against him ;)

Oh please...Here's news flash, you're elk is not morally superior so spare me the sanctimonious virtue police shit.

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

Oh please...Here's news flash, you're elk is not morally superior so spare me the sanctimonious virtue police shit.

Who is "my elk"?

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3 minutes ago, Dog said:

Oh please...Here's news flash, you're elk is not morally superior so spare me the sanctimonious virtue police shit.

Of course not. We - whatever nebulous we that is Mr. I'm not a Republican or a Trump supporter - are, in fact, morally inferior to highly principled people like you Dog.

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Just now, kent_island_sailor said:

Who is "my elk"?

Anyone who sterotypes Republicans as "projectionists supreme".

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1 minute ago, Dog said:

Anyone who sterotypes Republicans as "projectionists supreme".

Well I like those elk. They see the truth. Those elk probably disagree on about 100 other things though, their herd is kind of disorganized.

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3 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Dog drives into the path of Laura Bush.

:D:D

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Trump's "Art of the Deal" co-author says book should be renamed "The Sociopath"

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"Given the Times report on Trump's staggering losses, I'd be fine if Random House simply took the book out of print," Schwartz tweeted. "Or recategorized it as fiction."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-art-of-the-deal-co-author-tony-schwartz-says-book-should-be-renamed-the-sociopath/

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Judge fast-tracks fight over congressional subpoena of Trump financial records

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Judge Amit Mehta plans next week to weigh the major legal issues raised in President Donald Trump's challenge of a congressional subpoena for his accounting firm's records, according to an order issued Thursday -- putting the case on an even faster track than it previously looked to be.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/09/politics/trump-financial-subpoena/index.html

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On 5/7/2019 at 7:36 PM, badlatitude said:
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We don’t have Donald Trump’s actual tax returns. Rather we obtained printouts from his official I.R.S. tax transcripts, with figures from his federal 1040, for 85 to 94. Here’s an explanation of our sourcing ->

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Donald Trump paid no income taxes in 8 of the 10 years we examined. His losses were so big that in 1991 they accounted for fully 1% of all business losses declared that year by individual American taxpayers. w @russbuettner https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-returns.html 

I thought you said you invested in Real Estate.

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2 hours ago, Saorsa said:

I thought you said you invested in Real Estate.

Yessir, what would you like to know?

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13 hours ago, Dog said:

Yeah, I do that a lot. Is it a problem?

Yes. It's an attempt to distract from the subject.

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19 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

There you go with the "whataboutis", again...

It's a chronic problem with no known treatment, apparently.

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17 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

It is the Republican Ratchet - once any Democrat does any bad thing, forever after the standards of society ratchet down so any Republican can do whatever it was until the end of time with no complaints.

So if Ted can drown girls, then Donny can certainly grab their pussies :rolleyes:

Or rape 13 year olds.

Allegedly.

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1 minute ago, B.J. Porter said:

Or rape 13 year olds.

Allegedly.

Porn stars AND minors?

I’m shocked....!

No minor deserves a mushroom, he’s probably creating a nation of lesbians one bonk at a time.

Think most evangelicals have a moral line buried somewhere between those two points of reference.

However the line can be blurred especially if they seem to be winning.

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11 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Yessir, what would you like to know?

Not much, sold all mine when I retired.

How many different values did you need to place on a property at any given time?

  • Cost,  (what you actually paid)
  • Depreciated, (what the tax man says it is worth using their rules)
  • Assessed value, (what the tax man says it's worth for ad valorem taxes)
  • Current Market (the consensus of a couple of local RE agents based on comparables)

are a couple that I seem to recall.  Each of them different and could easily be called a lie when someone sees that they are different.  Then, if you deal with 'like-kind exchange' transactions it can get really weird.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Not much, sold all mine when I retired.

How many different values did you need to place on a property at any given time?

  • Cost,  (what you actually paid)
  • Depreciated, (what the tax man says it is worth using their rules)
  • Assessed value, (what the tax man says it's worth for ad valorem taxes)
  • Current Market (the consensus of a couple of local RE agents based on comparables)

are a couple that I seem to recall.  Each of them different and could easily be called a lie when someone sees that they are different.  Then, if you deal with 'like-kind exchange' transactions it can get really weird.

 

 

For my business, I most often used a cost approach since we most often added value to the property in upgrades. I did business mostly in Malibu and on the west side of L.A where the most attractive feature is found with multiple upgrades that could be converted to value. Property values escalated quickly, so pricing was always ambitious.

In New York(if that is what you are alluding to), property is valued by a number of methods, cost per door, per gross rent multiplier, income capitalization, among others. It is a subjective process and most often done for benefit, and always value is calculated by gut instinct. In Donald Trump's case, we really can't know the exact truth until he releases his tax returns. The speculation currently running through the news is info gathered from several sources and deduced from those sources. That's not the same as having accurate info.

In the end, I think Trump will have to answer to why he used investor money to declare a loss and avoided taxes that allowed him to continue his lifestyle. The current analysis is that Trump used a stock-for-debt swap that made it look like his debt had been paid, when in fact it had not been forgiven. 

 

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21 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

For my business, I most often used a cost approach since we most often added value to the property in upgrades. I did business mostly in Malibu and on the west side of L.A where the most attractive feature is found with multiple upgrades that could be converted to value. Property values escalated quickly, so pricing was always ambitious.

In New York(if that is what you are alluding to), property is valued by a number of methods, cost per door, per gross rent multiplier, income capitalization, among others. It is a subjective process and most often done for benefit, and always value is calculated by gut instinct. In Donald Trump's case, we really can't know the exact truth until he releases his tax returns. The speculation currently running through the news is info gathered from several sources and deduced from those sources. That's not the same as having accurate info.

In the end, I think Trump will have to answer to why he used investor money to declare a loss and avoided taxes that allowed him to continue his lifestyle. The current analysis is that Trump used a stock-for-debt swap that made it look like his debt had been paid, when in fact it had not been forgiven. 

 

Seems awfully similar to the way Manafort worked his books.  

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1 minute ago, Swimsailor said:

Seems awfully similar to the way Manafort worked his books.  

Sadly, it wasn't against the law at the time he took the deduction. Lobbyists have manipulated the Senate to allow loopholes forever.

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8 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Sadly, it wasn't against the law at the time he took the deduction. Lobbyists have manipulated the Senate to allow loopholes forever.

If he honestly represented the numbers. Trump's "charity" showed a long history of self-dealing and illegal behavior that was "legally supportable" as long as nobody looked hard. Which they only did when he became *resident. A grown man who cheats to beat a 10 year old at golf is not the kind of guy you believe to be honest in every other facet of his life.

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4 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

If he honestly represented the numbers. Trump's "charity" showed a long history of self-dealing and illegal behavior that was "legally supportable" as long as nobody looked hard. Which they only did when he became *resident.

The only takeaway of value in all this is that Trump is a master manipulator who did not earn his reputation honestly.

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8 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Or rape 13 year olds.

Allegedly.

Even though Trump is a certified asshole, alleging the rape of a minor child is a new  low, even for you, and should result in a pedophilia generated auto flick. Live by your own rules.  See ya! 

Forum moderators please  take note! 

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8 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Or rape 13 year olds.

Allegedly.

Pizza? 

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6 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

Even though Trump is a certified asshole, alleging the rape of a minor child is a new  low, even for you, and should result in a pedophilia generated auto flick. Live by your own rules.  See ya! 

Forum moderators please  take note! 

He didn't violate the rules; Trump was accused by a 13-year-old. Meanwhile, what sock are you? 34 posts and you are pretty aware of the practices and history around here,

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15 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

He didn't violate the rules; Trump was accused by a 13-year-old. Meanwhile, what sock are you? 34 posts and you are pretty aware of the practices and history around here,

The alleged (and penniless) victim came forward suspiciously 22 years later and her two civil suits were dropped or thrown out with zero proof including  after an FBI investigation with no criminality. He would have been jailed if this was true. Repeating false drivel is as bad as originating it. Trump has so many legitimate issues to criticize.  By stooping  to repeating unsubstantiated pedophilia and rape civil charges the left shows their true colors and desperation. For a guy who gets all of his intelligence from Google and could easily find and give a fair and balanced description of the allegation, it’s really disappointing.  I’m disappointed.  Go find the missing pee pee tape and you’ll have something. 

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10 minutes ago, badlatitude said:
19 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

Even though Trump is a certified asshole, alleging the rape of a minor child is a new  low, even for you, and should result in a pedophilia generated auto flick. Live by your own rules.  See ya! 

Forum moderators please  take note! 

He didn't violate the rules; Trump was accused by a 13-year-old. Meanwhile, what sock are you? 34 posts and you are pretty aware of the practices and history around here,

He was alleged to have raped a 13 year-old girl.  Suits were filed and withdrawn.  This was when he was hanging with Jeffrey Epstein. 

You will all remember him as the guy who was trotted out as an example of how Bill Clinton was horrible, since he partied with a pedophile like Epstein.  Funny how those same principled folks are silent about President Trump partying with the very same pedophile. 

And, before you get pissy about me using the "p" word, do note that Epstein was convicted of "soliciting prostitution from girls as young as 14".

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24 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

Even though Trump is a certified asshole, alleging the rape of a minor child is a new  low, even for you, and should result in a pedophilia generated auto flick. Live by your own rules.  See ya! 

Forum moderators please  take note! 

Sounds like someone has severe butthurt. Flicked like a Bic?

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6 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

The alleged (and penniless) victim came forward suspiciously 22 years later and her two civil suits were dropped or thrown out with zero proof including  after an FBI investigation with no criminality. He would have been jailed if this was true. Repeating false drivel is as bad as originating it. Trump has so many legitimate issues to criticize.  By stooping  to repeating unsubstantiated pedophilia and rape civil charges the left shows their true colors and desperation. For a guy who gets all of his intelligence from Google and could easily find and give a fair and balanced description of the allegation, it’s really disappointing.  I’m disappointed.  Go find the missing pee pee tape and you’ll have something. 

As I recall, the girl was terrified of testifying because of pressure from Trump lawyers and sycophants.

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Lest we forget Alex Acosta, who let Epstein off pretty easy, now works in the Trump admin.  Good times.  

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html?fbclid=IwAR1NQ4BuR-le6QvBU6wGHO_AaZdGqibtJzhXpdJZX10QsAGRp0qn855uXkg

Defending Trump must be incredibly tiring.  And if one continues to do so simply because a 401k balance is a little higher in 2019, it's nice to know what the price is.  

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1 minute ago, badlatitude said:
9 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

The alleged (and penniless) victim came forward suspiciously 22 years later and her two civil suits were dropped or thrown out with zero proof including  after an FBI investigation with no criminality. He would have been jailed if this was true. Repeating false drivel is as bad as originating it. Trump has so many legitimate issues to criticize.  By stooping  to repeating unsubstantiated pedophilia and rape civil charges the left shows their true colors and desperation. For a guy who gets all of his intelligence from Google and could easily find and give a fair and balanced description of the allegation, it’s really disappointing.  I’m disappointed.  Go find the missing pee pee tape and you’ll have something. 

As I recall, the girl was terrified of testifying because of pressure from Trump lawyers and sycophants.

Especially when folks like this clown do everything they can to make her less credible.  Labeling her "penniless", saying she came forward "suspiciously", and her allegation is "false drivel" is exactly why so many women are hesitant to report sexual assault and/or rape.  We aren't that far removed from "what were you wearing that invited him to rape you?"

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3 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Especially when folks like this clown do everything they can to make her less credible.  Labeling her "penniless", saying she came forward "suspiciously", and her allegation is "false drivel" is exactly why so many women are hesitant to report sexual assault and/or rape.  We aren't that far removed from "what were you wearing that invited him to rape you?"

Exactly. Trump sycophants have to be the lowest form of any human, anyone hunted or objectified by those types would be certainly terrified.

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The core of this thread though is Trump is a) not near as rich as he says b) a really shady person c) has no fucking clue what it means to be an average American d) un-qualified and un-fit to be POTUS and finally e) if Trump is trying to run the US like he does his businesses we should all be very, very worried.  

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She is the one who claimed she was 'penniless' and didn't have enough money to pay the $300 California  suit filing fee and asked for a waiver. The address she used was a foreclosed home that was long unoccupied.  Lawyers wouldn't  take her case.  FBI said it was meritless. Miami Herald investigated and said it was meritless.  She waited 22 years to file and for Trump to be a candidate.   New York through out the case, and none of these places are Trump friendly.  Can you admit it is possible this may have been a case of extortion?  Or are you too busy lying in bed jerking off to Rachel Maddow posters to entertain facts?  'Alleged' is a lever used by a weak minded individual. If Trump was raping  13 yr olds I'd be the first to ask permission to put a  bullet in his head.    

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9 minutes ago, Swimsailor said:

The core of this thread though is Trump is a) not near as rich as he says b) a really shady person c) has no fucking clue what it means to be an average American d) un-qualified and un-fit to be POTUS and finally e) if Trump is trying to run the US like he does his businesses we should all be very, very worried.  

This is all true Jeremiah. Everyone knew it for decades, nothing new, and somehow they still voted for him.  That is how bad the Dems and other Repub candidates were. Now 2 old white men lead the polls in your party and one of them is a fondler and last week thought Margaret Thatcher was still alive and UK PM. The other 20 are running on a platform of 'Free shit for everyone'     So get used to Trump

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4 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

She is the one who claimed she was 'penniless' and didn't have enough money to pay the $300 California  suit filing fee and asked for a waiver. The address she used was a foreclosed home that was long unoccupied.  Lawyers wouldn't  take her case.  FBI said it was meritless. Miami Herald investigated and said it was meritless.  She waited 22 years to file and for Trump to be a candidate.   New York through out the case, and none of these places are Trump friendly.  Can you admit it is possible this may have been a case of extortion?  Or are you too busy lying in bed jerking off to Rachel Maddow posters to entertain facts?  'Alleged' is a lever used by a weak minded individual. If Trump was raping  13 yr olds I'd be the first to ask permission to put a  bullet in his head.    

I believe the best quantifier of Trump's guilt is best determined by his payment of large sums of money to suppress his stripper lover, preference of "grabbing them by the pussy" and 23 other allegations of rape and sexual misconduct.

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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

He didn't violate the rules; Trump was accused by a 13-year-old. Meanwhile, what sock are you? 34 posts and you are pretty aware of the practices and history around here,

The returd of SailBlue. Piece of shit then, piece of shit now.

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1 minute ago, badlatitude said:

I believe the best quantifier of Trump's guilt is best determined by his payment of large sums of money to suppress his stripper lover, preference of "grabbing them by the pussy" and 23 other allegations of rape and sexual misconduct.

most people don't care about that. but they do care about 13 yr olds.   Kraft did it and he's not losing any Patriots fans.  

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18 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

 If Trump was raping  13 yr olds I'd be the first to ask permission to put a  bullet in his head.    

You'd be holding her down

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22 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

If Trump was raping  13 yr olds I'd be the first to ask permission to put a  bullet in his head.    

Would you force the victim to give birth if she was sprouting a mushroom at age 13?

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17 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

most people don't care about that. but they do care about 13 yr olds.   Kraft did it and he's not losing any Patriots fans.  

People still believe that you are innocent until proved guilty. Give Trump the trial he never got and we'll see how people really think.

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6 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Would you force the victim to give birth if she was sprouting a mushroom at age 13?

Jesus loves all

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18 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Would you force the victim to give birth if she was sprouting a mushroom at age 13?

You haven't been paying attention.  Utah laws say rape abortion is ok. Keep up with the group.

   

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30 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

You'd be holding her down

From the mind of a brilliant legal pseudo journalist mind, this is anti-intellectualism personified.  Thank you . 

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47 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I believe the best quantifier of Trump's guilt is best determined by his payment of large sums of money to suppress his stripper lover, preference of "grabbing them by the pussy" and 23 other allegations of rape and sexual misconduct.

Sounds like that might just rise to the level of "if there is enough smoke, there must be a fire" applied to the Clinton family.

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4 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

From the mind of a brilliant legal pseudo journalist mind, this is anti-intellectualism personified.  Thank you . 

What was the ID under which you were previously banned, before emerging with this new incarnation?

 

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1 minute ago, Bus Driver said:

Sounds like that might just rise to the level of "if there is enough smoke, there must be a fire" applied to the Clinton family.

Just another example of the hypocrisy now known as the GOP.

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20 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

You haven't been paying attention.  Utah laws say rape abortion is ok. Keep up with the group.

   

That is an answer to an interesting question. Care to have a go at the question I asked?

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34 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

People still believe that you are innocent until proved guilty. Give Trump the trial he never got and we'll see how people really think.

You don't.

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3 minutes ago, Dog said:

You don't.

I do, otherwise, I would not have reserved judgment on Trump until he had a trial.

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10 minutes ago, Dog said:
47 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

People still believe that you are innocent until proved guilty. Give Trump the trial he never got and we'll see how people really think.

You don't.

Please state, for the record, your view of the guilt/innocence of Mme. Clinton.

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37 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

That is an answer to an interesting question. Care to have a go at the question I asked?

No I would not.  I would consider rape to be an abortional offense.  As the gentleman from the Chesapeake said, your elk have to stop thinking in binary terms and narrowly defined, hypothetical internet polls.     

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

What was the ID under which you were previously banned, before emerging with this new incarnation?

 

Jesus Christ  you are an annoying little shit. Allegedly. 

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1 minute ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

Jesus Christ  you are an annoying little shit. Allegedly. 

For a "newbie", you sure act like you've been around here for a while.

Why would a spineless creature like you come back after being booted?

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33 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

No I would not.  I would consider rape to be an abortional offense.  As the gentleman from the Chesapeake said, your elk have to stop thinking in binary terms and narrowly defined, hypothetical internet polls.     

Rape is a criminal offense; to call it an abortion offense is ignorant. I find the religious right's proclivity to establish it otherwise, is both offensive and unnecessarily cruel.

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14 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Rape is a criminal offense; to call it an abortion offense is ignorant. I find the religious right's proclivity to establish it otherwise, is both offensive and unnecessarily cruel.

English, motherfucker. Do you speak it!?

It can be both. 

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9 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

English, motherfucker. Do you speak it!?

It can be both. 

you are definitely an abortional offense!

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3 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

English, motherfucker. Do you speak it!?

It can be both. 

No, it cannot. Rape victims do not choose, and you don't get the right to delegitimize abortion.

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1 hour ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

No I would not.  I would consider rape to be an abortional offense.  As the gentleman from the Chesapeake said, your elk have to stop thinking in binary terms and narrowly defined, hypothetical internet polls.     

Not only a troll, but a misogynistic asshole of a troll.  Shoo.  

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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

No, it cannot. Rape victims do not choose, and you don't get the right to delegitimize abortion.

Please take a moment to read the context of the conversation (and as it was described in the quoted Utah state law).  Abortion is a legal act by the mother if due to rape. Rape  is a crime against the perpetrator (rapist).  See? It’s both. Ask Attorneys Saul and Clean 

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4 hours ago, badlatitude said:
4 hours ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

Even though Trump is a certified asshole, alleging the rape of a minor child is a new  low, even for you, and should result in a pedophilia generated auto flick. Live by your own rules.  See ya! 

Forum moderators please  take note! 

He didn't violate the rules; Trump was accused by a 13-year-old. Meanwhile, what sock are you? 34 posts and you are pretty aware of the practices and history around here,

Is that moronic asshat talking to me? Try not to quote him please, it leaves a stench.

As someone who can claim some expertise on SA forum rules, having developed and enforced most of them...I can categorically state the following to be true (barring any changes since I turned in the keys, which there have been none):

1) Since Donald Trump is not a forum poster, discussing his alleged pedophilia does can in any way, shape or form be construed as an allegation of pedophilia against a forum member. So unless MakeStupidStupiderAgain can prove that Trump is posting here on SA and hiding his identify AND I made direct comments in reference to that use account, well he's just being a fucking moron again. Or as we call it here...making another post.

2) It's been made clear that discussing the alleged pedophilia of a public figure in the real world is not in any way, shape or form accusing of a forum member of pedophilia. Discussing pedophilia has never been proscribed, only accusing other members of it. Most people, unless they are complete fucking morons and/or SailingBlueBalls, understand this concept.

3) It's even been ruled that if an actual SA member is actually convicted of pedophilia in the real world, it's OK to call that SA forum poster a pedophile. We had that happen, remember? Calling a forum member who is convicted pedophile a pedophile is not actually falsely accusing a forum member of pedophilia.

4) Until they intimidated the witness into withdrawing the claims, there was someone pressing a suit against Trump alleging he forced himself on her when she was 13. This is not something I made up, this is a lawsuit in the real world. Mentioning it does not actually accuse a forum member of being a pedophile.

Also, pointing out that a poster is a deranged fuckwit with the cognitive powers of a Raid-huffing cockroach in no way casts allegations of pedophilia against another forum member. It just accuses him of being a fucking idiot, which is in no way proscribed.

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2 minutes ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

Please take a moment to read the context of the conversation (and as it was described in the quoted Utah state law).  Abortion is a legal act by the mother if due to rape. Rape  is a crime against the perpetrator. See? It’s both. Ask Attorneys Saul and Clean 

Why are we debating Utah state law? North Carolina's nearly identical law was shot down by a federal judge, it is likely that the same happens in Utah's bill.

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3 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:
3 hours ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

 If Trump was raping  13 yr olds I'd be the first to ask permission to put a  bullet in his head.    

You'd be holding her down

While calling her a liar and still voting for Trump.

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2 hours ago, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

No I would not.  I would consider rape to be an abortional offense.  As the gentleman from the Chesapeake said, your elk have to stop thinking in binary terms and narrowly defined, hypothetical internet polls.     

You answered the question in the first two sentences, before going full Gabby Johnson on the speculation. 

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On 5/11/2019 at 2:20 AM, MakePHRFGreatAgain said:

Rape  is a crime against the perpetrator (rapist)

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17 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

?

He won't answer, he had his ass handed to him so many times yesterday, he is probably sitting at home reinventing himself.

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