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Looks more like the old joke about the guy who did VIagra who had to tie a board across his butt to keep from falling in...

 

Wow, top of page 2 that is going to get seen forever! I always wondered how Hobot managed to get the pole position all the time on his thread. I guess I have to find some obnoxious photo to go with this.

 

Guess this will have to do for now...

 

When a girl is so slutty, so whorish, so sickeningly loose that you have to strap a board to your ass when you fuck her just so you don't fall in.

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On 5/30/2019 at 3:19 AM, MR.CLEAN said:

 The key will be to get a local french government aboard with the project to donate some space for her.

Amen to this. So many dreams like this have fallen apart when it turns out that just the cost of parking the whatever it is (boat, train, plane, building, whatever) exceeds the fund raising capacity / prospective saviour's wallet and money gets p*ssed away on storage bills until the people the bills are owed too lose patience and call the scrappy.

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The SS United States is a prime example of well meaning people wanting to save a historic vessel, but lacks the funds to rebuild her. The SS Unites Sates is slowly rusting away at her berth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_States

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The SS United States is another sad example of “The Bigger the dreams, the bigger the nightmares”

 

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1 hour ago, Sail4beer said:

The SS United States is another sad example of “The Bigger the dreams, the bigger the nightmares”

 

Grew up around Newport News Shipyard, and I remember the SS United States. Such bad timing in the cruise ship industry !  She set the fastest transAtlantic passage record on her maiden voyage, yet she was mothballed at 18 years.  OTOH, you will find smaller, old cruise ships still doing their thing 75 years on in the Med, etc.

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4 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

Grew up around Newport News Shipyard, and I remember the SS United States. Such bad timing in the cruise ship industry !  She set the fastest transAtlantic passage record on her maiden voyage, yet she was mothballed at 18 years.  OTOH, you will find smaller, old cruise ships still doing their thing 75 years on in the Med, etc.

I sailed with my family in 1963 on the SS United States from LeHavre, France to NYC.  North Atlantic in October in heavy seas, it took 4 1/2 days.  It is sad to see the once magnificent ship rotting away like that.  A couple of years ago, flying out of Philadelphia on the way to Europe, we flew right over her.  

The SS United States wasn't a 'cruise ship', she was an ocean liner making regular crossings to and from Europe.  Not meandering around the Caribbean or the Med.  Todays swollen, top heavy, sea going condo cruise ships wouldn't dare attempt the North Atlantic in the autumn, somebody might get sea sick or their drink might spill.

I found this painting, done by a local German artist, for sale in a coffee shop in Potsdam, Germany last year, so of course I had to buy it.

 

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2 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

I sailed with my family in 1963 on the SS United States from LeHavre, France to NYC.  North Atlantic in October in heavy seas, it took 4 1/2 days.  It is sad to see the once magnificent ship rotting away like that.  A couple of years ago, flying out of Philadelphia on the way to Europe, we flew right over her.  

The SS United States wasn't a 'cruise ship', she was an ocean liner making regular crossings to and from Europe.  Not meandering around the Caribbean or the Med.  Todays swollen, top heavy, sea going condo cruise ships wouldn't dare attempt the North Atlantic in the autumn, somebody might get sea sick or their drink might spill.

I found this painting, done by a local German artist, for sale in a coffee shop in Potsdam, Germany last year, so of course I had to buy it.

 

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You are correct; to clarify, some of the old, smaller liners were repurposed as cruise ships in places like the Med. In 1996 I was on aGreek cruise with the wife's family. Her grandmother realized that she had made a crossing from Canada on the same ship in the early 20s.

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9 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

You are correct; to clarify, some of the old, smaller liners were repurposed as cruise ships in places like the Med. In 1996 I was on aGreek cruise with the wife's family. Her grandmother realized that she had made a crossing from Canada on the same ship in the early 20s.

My mother was a war bride from WWII, she met and married my father while he was in my mother's native city Rome, Italy.  She traveled from the US to Italy when she could to see her family after the war.  One trip she made was on the SS Independence in the late '50s.  The Independence was later re-purposed in a similar fashion, as a cruise ship in the Hawaiian islands for many years.

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These liner conversions are yet more evidence that saving Hydroptere is a bad idea. Old things are worth saving when they can genuinely be re purposed into something that makes economic sense. Even as a museum piece there is a calculation of how much space it takes up vs. how many people think it's worth looking at and how valuable it is to historians in a field. Someone mentioned the SR-71 Blackbird above. The Blackbird, which is a mere 55'x107' is basically the most badass plane in the history of planes and the punters will always come to see one. And there are a bunch more awesome planes so you can build an air and space museum and literally millions of people will come every year to see all of them together. I am utterly unconvinced that Hyroptere is all that important, at least not ~60'x60' important, and I don't think that even in France you could build a museum of old craft of that sort which would be all that compelling. Stick with the memories. 

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On 5/31/2019 at 7:28 PM, multihuler said:

Could be a Viagra commercial, use as directed, and if lasting more than four hours get medical attention 

Mast still up, floating on her lines+-.  I've seen worse.

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I visited the SS United States in many lunch breaks from the Seaport Museum and pondered the demise of the ocean liners. My maternal grandmother came over from Ireland on one in 1904 and my paternal Great Aunt Marge, who shipped many miles and gallons of “bathtub gin” on her 65’ Trumpy during the Depression, missed her voyage on the Titanic as a 4 year old child. 

They both died poor as church mice. It was the Irish way to go a while back

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On 5/29/2019 at 7:11 PM, MR.CLEAN said:

That's not true.  Her failure was due to the same thing responsible for almost all her (and the other mooted projects') failures - her owner's lack of organization and a vague idealism that 'it will all work out' because of birds and unicorns. 

You're right MR. Clean the owner is responsible for this.

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On 5/29/2019 at 8:40 PM, multihuler said:

Disassemble her, go deck cargo, preferably to France

 

Nobody wants her in France

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33 minutes ago, erictra20 said:

You're right MR. Clean the owner is responsible for this.

Thanks eric.  I've followed the saga closely for as long as I've been writing about sailing.

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Go fund Me? Sailing Anarchy should make a fund, spray paint massive anarchy symbols on it and gatecrash races. Or refurbish her and put her in the French maritime museum in Cherbourg where she belongs. 

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Not all evolutionary paths lead to long term viability.  Most likely path for this one is taking up space in one of our landfills.  

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The whole thing is sad.... I was infatuated with this project and the breaking of the 50 knot barrier.... I have sailed with Jaques Vincent's (crew) a few times and followed their progress so was emotionally invested.. I still have a framed pic on my wall at home of it 20 years ago..... I get Multihulers passion.... but the only place for it is on show in France.

Buy it Steven

Surely the mast is worth $8000...

Rigging / stays $2000 if not too old

Groucho could use the floats

I'll buy the wheels for $500... I could do with the seats on my boat $200

Cut the thing into 1 ft squares and sell on ebay for $10-20 bucks

The rest  well      Land fill

Why aren't they making Alain Thebault responsible for costs

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On 5/31/2019 at 5:25 PM, Hawaiidart said:

Speaking of which- and not to hijack- if you go to the Brown Lantern in Anacortes, WA (you know you want to) you will see all manner of sports memorabilia and other miscellaneous gear, such as Navy flight suits, tacked to the wall and ceiling.  Also mounted on that ceiling is a carbon wheel from Oracle.  Anyone know how or why that got there?  Did Larry drop in for a pint with Bill during happy hour one day?  Did Jimmy unbolt the wheel, saying  to himself, "There's a cool bar in the PNW that needs something just like this on the ceiling."  More likely, does carbon guru Jim Betts have something to do with this?

Answer and then please get back to the matter at hand: the  foiler floundering in the funky lagoon.

DoGzilla and a number of Ellison's AC boats were built in Anacortes.  My guess is Tugboat (Ellison's chief boat builder) and friends frequented that joint during their time in Anacortes so they felt obliged to provide a cool artifact for the wall.

WetHog  :ph34r:

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Anacortes has an awesome bakery. I don't know it's name but every time I'm in Friday Harbor I stop at Kings Market which gets a shipment from them 3X a week.

Any one know the name of the bakery?

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On 6/1/2019 at 5:44 AM, QBF said:

The SS United States is a prime example of well meaning people wanting to save a historic vessel, but lacks the funds to rebuild her. The SS Unites Sates is slowly rusting away at her berth

And sadly it's not even 85% complete. 

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1 hour ago, Autonomous said:

Anacortes has an awesome bakery. I don't know it's name but every time I'm in Friday Harbor I stop at Kings Market which gets a shipment from them 3X a week.

Any one know the name of the bakery?

You might be talking about The Store, which has muffins the size of pillows in about 24 rotating flavors.  At times, the line goes into the parking lot.  

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4 hours ago, WetHog said:

DoGzilla and a number of Ellison's AC boats were built in Anacortes.  My guess is Tugboat (Ellison's chief boat builder) and friends frequented that joint during their time in Anacortes so they felt obliged to provide a cool artifact for the wall.

WetHog  :ph34r:

Thank you- I have to believe that Jim Betts had something to do with it, although I don't see him in the video.  Neat find!

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5 hours ago, Hawaiidart said:
7 hours ago, Autonomous said:

Anacortes has an awesome bakery. I don't know it's name but every time I'm in Friday Harbor I stop at Kings Market which gets a shipment from them 3X a week.

Any one know the name of the bakery?

You might be talking about The Store, which has muffins the size of pillows in about 24 rotating flavors.  At times, the line goes into the parking lot.  

I'm a big fan of Dad's Diner in Anacortes for breakfast.

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7 hours ago, Hawaiidart said:

You might be talking about The Store, which has muffins the size of pillows in about 24 rotating flavors.  At times, the line goes into the parking lot.  

Anacortes is out of my orbit but if I get close I'll drop by.

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On 6/1/2019 at 7:36 AM, Israel Hands said:

the SS United States. Such bad timing in the cruise ship industry !  She set the fastest transAtlantic passage record on her maiden voyage, yet she was mothballed at 18 years.

She was never really an economical ocean liner. She was a thinly disguised troop ship that would outrun U-boats and torpedoes. 43 knots on trials? It was very heavily financed by the US dept of defense. In war, she was designed to carry 15,000 troops at about 35 knots across the Atlantic in 4 days.

990 ft long and 101 ft beam. So basically a 10:1 L/B ratio. Like a giant ass destroyer proportions. Aluminum superstructure to save weight. 274,000 HP and I think the same boilers and turbines as the Missouri class battleships. 

I was aboard her in ~2000 for a survey. In winter on a very cold winter day. It was like being inside a giant walk in freezer for 8 hours. Some dreamers had the idea of converting her for overnight cruises from LA to SF so we were checking her out.  Her engine rooms were huge. The boilers went up into the darkness for several decks. She had a spare prop lashed to an upper deck. Had the highest pitch / diameter I had ever seen. The biggest drawback to the conversion - we figured you'd never find anybody left that could even get that steam plant started up, much less operating properly. Steamships are not like diesels. You don't just push a button.

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During the ‘90’s there were developers looking to retrofit the entire vessel into a mall and nightclub attraction.

I can’t imagine the cost of that alone besides the restoration of the old piers and docks there that are 50 years  behind in maintenance. 

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5 hours ago, IStream said:

I'm a big fan of Dad's Diner in Anacortes for breakfast.

The Bowling Alley can be interesting for food too.

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12 hours ago, Zonker said:

She was never really an economical ocean liner. She was a thinly disguised troop ship that would outrun U-boats and torpedoes. 43 knots on trials? It was very heavily financed by the US dept of defense. In war, she was designed to carry 15,000 troops at about 35 knots across the Atlantic in 4 days.

990 ft long and 101 ft beam. So basically a 10:1 L/B ratio. Like a giant ass destroyer proportions. Aluminum superstructure to save weight. 274,000 HP and I think the same boilers and turbines as the Missouri class battleships. 

I was aboard her in ~2000 for a survey. In winter on a very cold winter day. It was like being inside a giant walk in freezer for 8 hours. Some dreamers had the idea of converting her for overnight cruises from LA to SF so we were checking her out.  Her engine rooms were huge. The boilers went up into the darkness for several decks. She had a spare prop lashed to an upper deck. Had the highest pitch / diameter I had ever seen. The biggest drawback to the conversion - we figured you'd never find anybody left that could even get that steam plant started up, much less operating properly. Steamships are not like diesels. You don't just push a button.

They just need to get a hold of SA's own Steam Flyer.  I am sure she could fire up those boilers and have the SS United States running like a top in short order!

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12 hours ago, Zonker said:

The biggest drawback to the conversion - we figured you'd never find anybody left that could even get that steam plant started up, much less operating properly. Steamships are not like diesels. You don't just push a button.

you've got that right. Geeze.

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1 hour ago, ryley said:

you've got that right. Geeze.

When train engineers were, well, engineers

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I can't believe the negativity here.  This is a piece of yachting history we are talking about - vision and passion, not fucking PHRF!

Some of you seem to have small, sad lives and can't comprehend what Hydroptere represents.

Strength to your arm multihuller - I understand (but a caveat - I've been in your situation before, and I failed to save the piece of history I was passionate about.  I hope you do better.)

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I wouldn’t say that. I had a great day out on the 40’ trimaran Skateaway, owned by Board Head yesterday.

It was a great ride on a boat that was designed and purpose built by its owner and won’t be abandoned because it was designed as a functional and fast, stable platform for cruising and racing.

That is vision and passion.

Hydroptere was purpose built to a build criteria that had its day as an iconic design. It is always exhilarating to watch the videos..It was sailed to the wrong place...

I’m rescuing Boardhead’s last build from Zombie land. That will be much more useable and, at least for me, worth every bit of change it will cost to push 18 knots solid.

 

Steve, save the dream for another time and come sail on Skateaway again and we can talk you out of it!

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Oh yeah , I almost forgot.

Here’s some more eye candy for Rasper!

Tim is doing it justice and has a great inexpensive, low power and lightweight chart plotting system. He sent me the chain mail info and my geek twinbro is going to replicate it. It’s damn cool and simple!

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2 hours ago, Sail4beer said:

 ... designed and purpose built by its owner ...

That is vision and passion.

It does indeed take vision and passion to design and build your own boat.  Most people I know who have done that would not denigrate someone else's attempt to do the same for THEIR dream.  

I don't denigrate Alain Thebault's efforts but admire them and what he was able to achieve.  It's sad that he wasn't able to achieve the latest dream, but that doesn't take away from the earlier achievements.  Many people fail to achieve their dreams - Mike Golding never won a VG - does that make him a shit sailor?  No. 

Nor should the boat be broken up and dumped - it deserves better.  We aren't talking about some run-of-the-mill polyester popout here.

A lot of Francophobia going on, I suspect.

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7 minutes ago, Recidivist said:

A lot of Francophobia going on, I suspect.

WTF? Why on earth do you suspect that in this case?

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1 hour ago, weightless said:

WTF? Why on earth do you suspect that in this case?

It seems to me that Americans don't miss many opportunities to bash the French, and in this thread, it's mostly Americans chucking around comments that are disparaging of Alain Thebault and Hydroptere. 

I was genuinely surprised by many of the posts, and that was something that came to mind. I was being kind (I thought) by ascribing it to a national trait rather than individuals.  

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57 minutes ago, Recidivist said:

It seems to me that Americans don't miss many opportunities to bash the French, and in this thread, it's mostly Americans chucking around comments that are disparaging of Alain Thebault and Hydroptere. 

I was genuinely surprised by many of the posts, and that was something that came to mind. I was being kind (I thought) by ascribing it to a national trait rather than individuals.  

Honestly, I don't see that at all and I don't think you were being kind.

Hydroptere was a remarkable achievement but Thebault dumped Hydroptere. He doesn't seem to value it now. Discarding his trash on people who do not see it as important and who have other priorities is not laudable. It harms the people who will pay to clean it up, the people who didn't get paid for services he consumed and the boaters who rely on the good will of the community. I don't think nationality comes into it. Would you really find it kinder if I ascribed this to a national trait rather than him?

 

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26 minutes ago, weightless said:

I don't think nationality comes into it. Would you really find it kinder if I ascribed this to a national trait rather than him?

Touche.  Apologies for any offence.

I must have missed this bit

the people who didn't get paid for services he consumed

 

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9 minutes ago, Recidivist said:

Apologies for any offence.

That is kind of you. No offense taken.

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9 hours ago, weightless said:
9 hours ago, Recidivist said:

Apologies for any offence.

That is kind of you. No offense taken.

I wasn't offended. He's Australian. I make allowances.

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And as far as French bashing, I love the French and their country myself - especially after they stood tall in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attack. 

They have the iconic Eiffel Tower and gave us the beautiful Statue of Liberty as a gift.

I have a friend who is a photographer in France. Met him through Sailing Anarchy!

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This may be a naïve comment, but why not just slap some modern foils on this thing a go flying?

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Yes.  It is a naïve comment.

"just slap"  - There is literally NOTHING about ANY boat that is "just" and most certainly not on a 60 foot multi.

But hey,  it would only cost you a quarter-to half-mil to find out  -- if you can do things yourself,  and on the cheap.

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54 minutes ago, Great Red Shark said:

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My friends talked me out of buying her, now I got to have her!

This thread is to make sure she gets sold, not destroyed,

PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUY HER AND I WILL STAY HOME......

He'll, I have NO PROBLEM SAILING HER OUT OF THERE, IT WAS WHAT I WAS BORN FOR.

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  I seriously doubt she is in sailing condition.

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27 minutes ago, multihuler said:

He'll, I have NO PROBLEM SAILING HER OUT OF THERE, IT WAS WHAT I WAS BORN FOR.

Alrighty then.

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11 minutes ago, longy said:

  I seriously doubt she is in sailing condition.

The last boat I saw Multihuler heading out for a long delivery was hardly in sailing condition. Barely in motoring condition. Not that ever stopped him...

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It floats.  Put a small sail up and go. There is only a small chance that you will sink.

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I really thought that Don Montague would eventually end up putting one of his kites on it and try and keep going with the trades to wherever the best VMG foiling mode they could maintain and then say after the fact that was where they were bound in the first place. What would the hottest reach from Honolulu take you?

    Don did put his largest Kite on Playstation and sail it around SF bay before it got converted to a submarine tender. That kite would have powered Hydroptere pretty good. 

 

Looking back I guess that kite wasn't as big as I thought.

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1 hour ago, Great Red Shark said:

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Looks in worse shape than anticipated. Sad.

Mainsail should be toast by now since it has not been covered.

Tramps are most likely sketchy too. Hydraulics unmaintained...

What's the beam on that thing? Like 70 feet? Where do you keep that at?

 

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20 hours ago, Recidivist said:

It seems to me that Americans don't miss many opportunities to bash the French, and in this thread, it's mostly Americans chucking around comments that are disparaging of Alain Thebault and Hydroptere. 

I was genuinely surprised by many of the posts, and that was something that came to mind. I was being kind (I thought) by ascribing it to a national trait rather than individuals.  

It’s not just Americans, there’s a few other nationalities as well. 

Have a little bit more of a look into the background. Look for his world speed record boat. 

Just chainsaw it and be done, send the owner the bill and mess to dispose off as well. 

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1 hour ago, Rasputin22 said:

I really thought that Don Montague would eventually end up putting one of his kites on it and try and keep going with the trades to wherever the best VMG foiling mode they could maintain and then say after the fact that was where they were bound in the first place. What would the hottest reach from Honolulu take you?

    Don did put his largest Kite on Playstation and sail it around SF bay before it got converted to a submarine tender. That kite would have powered Hydroptere pretty good. 

 

Looking back I guess that kite wasn't as big as I thought.

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What speed did you hit with that up? 

Didn’t they try on a test Volvo boat in the early stage of the sponsorship?

edit to add 

Rasp, clear your PM inbox, you’ve got a blockage. :P

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2 hours ago, multihuler said:

My friends talked me out of buying her, now I got to have her!

This thread is to make sure she gets sold, not destroyed,

PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUY HER AND I WILL STAY HOME......

He'll, I have NO PROBLEM SAILING HER OUT OF THERE, IT WAS WHAT I WAS BORN FOR.

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2 hours ago, mad said:

 

Rasp, clear your PM inbox, you’ve got a blockage. :P

Mad, I cleared out some inbox and tried to PM you but it says you cannot receive messages? What's up with that?

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5 hours ago, Great Red Shark said:

Yes.  It is a naïve comment.

"just slap"  - There is literally NOTHING about ANY boat that is "just" and most certainly not on a 60 foot multi.

But hey,  it would only cost you a quarter-to half-mil to find out  -- if you can do things yourself,  and on the cheap.

I was joking in my tone but not the concept.  There is a larger discussion to be had about what it would take to modernize her foils and platform.  Or not.  Just seems like this boat could have another life, yes, obviously with a ton of money.  Hate being such an important boat rot away.

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11 hours ago, mad said:

It’s not just Americans, there’s a few other nationalities as well. 

Have a little bit more of a look into the background. Look for his world speed record boat. 

Just chainsaw it and be done, send the owner the bill and mess to dispose off as well. 

Mad, I'm on the road so researchability is poor.  I had a quick look for record breaking, but only found references to the boat currently being discussed, and nothing questionable.  Any links or stuff to help me out?

No matter what dirt there is in the background, I'm not in favour of chainsawing a piece of history!!!  I'm a rainbow and unicorns sort of guy ...

TIA

 

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21 hours ago, IStream said:

I wasn't offended. He's Australian. I make allowances.

Ha!  Thanks, but be careful, I may take advantage.  Aussies invented the saying "give him an inch and he'll take a mile".

 

 

 

 

 

(Actually I have no idea if that is remotely accurate, but it's a good story)

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1 minute ago, Recidivist said:

(Actually I have no idea if that is remotely accurate, but it's a good story)

yep , however the saying like the measurement system comes from the only country , lest you count he likes of Burma and North Korea as countries , who still use the imperial system .

 

though they are apparently moves a foot for change ....

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4 minutes ago, Mid said:

 they are apparently moves a foot for change ....

Well played mate!

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8 hours ago, ziper1221 said:

What exactly is wrong with the old foils?

They were obsolescent tech even when the boat was new. The angled foils are very much 1960s tech. Multihull foilers didn't start to work really well until some more advanced designs were worked out.

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13 minutes ago, JimC said:

They were obsolescent tech even when the boat was new. The angled foils are very much 1960s tech. Multihull foilers didn't start to work really well until some more advanced designs were worked out.

You must have really high standards if you don't consider setting a speed record >50 knots to be working well!

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14 hours ago, multihuler said:

He'll, I have NO PROBLEM SAILING HER OUT OF THERE, IT WAS WHAT I WAS BORN FOR.

 

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2 hours ago, Recidivist said:

Ha!  Thanks, but be careful, I may take advantage.  Aussies invented the saying "give him an inch and he'll take a mile".

(Actually I have no idea if that is remotely accurate, but it's a good story)

Stereotypical Aussie but I like it! Go ahead and take advantage, I'm game. Also, I'm somewhere between the median and the average American.

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1 hour ago, Doug Halsey said:

You must have really high standards if you don't consider setting a speed record >50 knots to be working well!

 

2 hours ago, JimC said:

They were obsolescent tech even when the boat was new. The angled foils are very much 1960s tech. Multihull foilers didn't start to work really well until some more advanced designs were worked out.

 

10 hours ago, ziper1221 said:

What exactly is wrong with the old foils?

They were only good for 56 knots...

On 21 December 2008, the Hydroptère briefly reached 56.3 knots (104.3 km/h; 64.8 mph)

 

 

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12 hours ago, JimC said:

They were obsolescent tech even when the boat was new. The angled foils are very much 1960s tech. Multihull foilers didn't start to work really well until some more advanced designs were worked out.

They certainly are old technology but how many of the latest foilers are as steady as this old girl at 40+ knots for long durations? 

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5 hours ago, he b gb said:

They certainly are old technology but how many of the latest foilers are as steady as this old girl at 40+ knots for long durations? 

Oooh,  in yo face millenials 

 

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On 6/7/2019 at 12:57 PM, Recidivist said:

Mad, I'm on the road so researchability is poor.  I had a quick look for record breaking, but only found references to the boat currently being discussed, and nothing questionable.  Any links or stuff to help me out?

No matter what dirt there is in the background, I'm not in favour of chainsawing a piece of history!!!  I'm a rainbow and unicorns sort of guy ...

TIA

 

I’ll have a look and see if I can dig it up, seem to remember it was very short lived and was taken down pretty quickly. 

Difference of opinion I guess on chainsawing it up, never understood the emotional attachment to boats. They’re just a tool to do the job and when they’re obsolete you might as well get rid of them. 

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If Hydrocopter was so special, wouldn't one think that someone, especially someone from France would have bought it long ago?   Hydrocopter has been on its mooring now for how many years with no buyers?

I realize that @multihuler has a soft spot of old multihulls, but Hydrocopter might well be another one of his purchases that no one seems to want. After all,  multihuler has yet to find a buyer for his (over priced?) 40-foot "Intercontinental Ballistic missile."   What is the actual market value for that boat, and what would be the true market value of Hydrocopter that a buyer would be willing to pay?

I like a lot of old things myself, but when I buy something like that I know it's for me and I won't make a profit on it if I sell it.

Just trying to bring some realism to this idea as when I posted about the SS United Sates earlier in this thread.

2067821260_40FootTrimarans.png.8ec78edd26f33d0948065a093f93d73d.png

 

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1 hour ago, mad said:

I’ll have a look and see if I can dig it up, seem to remember it was very short lived and was taken down pretty quickly. 

Difference of opinion I guess on chainsawing it up, never understood the emotional attachment to boats. They’re just a tool to do the job and when they’re obsolete you might as well get rid of them. 

nostalgia appeal can be important. But I think it is a personal thing like "I sailed on that boat back on the day and cherish the memories"

If I'm collecting other ppl's trash however- it is just expensive hoarding. 

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1 hour ago, QBF said:

If Hydrocopter was so special, wouldn't one think that someone, especially someone from France would have bought it long ago?   Hydrocopter has been on its mooring now for how many years with no buyers?

I realize that @multihuler has a soft spot of old multihulls, but Hydrocopter might well be another one of his purchases that no one seems to want. After all,  multihuler has yet to find a buyer for his (over priced?) 40-foot "Intercontinental Ballistic missile."   What is the actual market value for that boat, and what would be the true market value of Hydrocopter that a buyer would be willing to pay?

I like a lot of old things myself, but when I buy something like that I know it's for me and I won't make a profit on it if I sell it.

Just trying to bring some realism to this idea as when I posted about the SS United Sates earlier in this thread.

cxa80 cambridge audio

 

Wtf is a hydrocoper qbf? :D

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38 minutes ago, sail(plane) said:

Wtf is a hydrocoper qbf? :D

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These are hydrocopters in Sweden.

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1 hour ago, QBF said:

If Hydrocopter was so special, wouldn't one think that someone, especially someone from France would have bought it long ago?   Hydrocopter has been on its mooring now for how many years with no buyers?

I realize that @multihuler has a soft spot of old multihulls, but Hydrocopter might well be another one of his purchases that no one seems to want. After all,  multihuler has yet to find a buyer for his (over priced?) 40-foot "Intercontinental Ballistic missile."   What is the actual market value for that boat, and what would be the true market value of Hydrocopter that a buyer would be willing to pay?

I like a lot of old things myself, but when I buy something like that I know it's for me and I won't make a profit on it if I sell it.

Just trying to bring some realism to this idea as when I posted about the SS United Sates earlier in this thread.

2067821260_40FootTrimarans.png.8ec78edd26f33d0948065a093f93d73d.png

 

Are you kidding, CARBON 3 is one bad hombre, (and sold) the Condors are a great design, but balsa core and a monohull masts diminished their true value, and a 40 Crowther buccaneer is way over priced at $84k..

As far as intercontinental Balistic missile,  wait for the launch to determine her value, her sistership still holds the California to Japan solo  record.

 don't get me wrong, if you got a better way to live I would like to know.

As far as Hydroptere, I would just throw on a code 0 and push off, oh, and of course bring a fishing pole

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16 minutes ago, multihuler said:

 

 don't get me wrong, if you got a better way to live I would like to know.

 

Nicely said.  "to thine own self be true"

Prudes are everywhere...just 'cause THEY wouldn't do something, doesn't make it wrong or stupid.

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On 6/6/2019 at 1:24 AM, Recidivist said:

Touche.  Apologies for any offence.

I must have missed this bit

the people who didn't get paid for services he consumed

 

There's a trail of those people (and companies) going back more than a decade.

Thebault took the boat to San Fran because he burnt every bridge in France and the industry and sailing community was tired of it.

Someone told him he could find sponsorship in San Francisco, so he borrowed a pile of money and off he went.

I'm the biggest American francophile in this place and SA gave him every benefit of the doubt.  As soon as prospects did their due diligence, they were gone. 

 

 

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So far no takers, anybody interested in my wife, as she is going to be one hot chili pepper if I HAVE to buy Hydroptere. 

I have never gone through a divorce before.

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14 hours ago, multihuler said:

So far no takers, anybody interested in my wife, as she is going to be one hot chili pepper if I HAVE to buy Hydroptere. 

I have never gone through a divorce before.

You'll lose or be selling every boat you have if you do.

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We'll just have to hope for multihuler's sake that the Hawaii authorities refuse to sell the boat over to someone who'll leave them with exactly the same problem in another year's time. Presumably they are used to dreamers...

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On 6/7/2019 at 9:05 AM, multihuler said:

My friends talked me out of buying her, now I got to have her!

This thread is to make sure she gets sold, not destroyed,

PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUY HER AND I WILL STAY HOME......

He'll, I have NO PROBLEM SAILING HER OUT OF THERE, IT WAS WHAT I WAS BORN FOR.

Hahaha

On 6/7/2019 at 10:38 PM, JimC said:

They were obsolescent tech even when the boat was new. The angled foils are very much 1960s tech. Multihull foilers didn't start to work really well until some more advanced designs were worked out.

Yeah right.... 56 knots as said.... soooo out of date

After viewing the pics.... Surely there is $20,000-30,000 in mast, boom and assorted other bits... No..?   The battens, batten ends and cars alone would be $10,000 or more.... what's it cost to dispose the rest...?

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Like most of us here, I was in absolute awe when they hit the 50 knot mark. And still am, however odd his behaviour was in Hawaii.

For those with a bad memory, just check the Wikipedia:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_sailing_record

And this video, probably already posted here:

 

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@Fiji Bitter

I believe he realised that the big bucks teams were now too far ahead and that the hydroptere time was over. Must have been quite tough for him as he had dedicated his life to this mad dream. He might be a bit odd but you need to be a bit odd to make a 60 footer ocean-racing tri fly before everybody else while living nearly like a tramp....

I still think that Hydroptère is amongst of the most significant boat in French competitive sailing history, together with pen duick II, Olympus, Fleury-Michon VIII, Bagages superior and the magnum 747.

I hope that somebody save it, but that wouldn't be the first exceptional boat to go to the dumpster! The boat is till holding the class D speed record....

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On 6/9/2019 at 2:35 PM, multihuler said:

So far no takers, anybody interested in my wife, as she is going to be one hot chili pepper if I HAVE to buy Hydroptere. 

I have never gone through a divorce before.

Is she de-mountable?  Only if she comes without the boneyard.  And I love multis.  No offense, but if you buy Hydroptere, you are crazy.  

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Ok, so other than the hull, the sails, the spars, the rigging, and the foils, what's wrong with the boat?

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1 hour ago, ziper1221 said:

Ok, so other than the hull, the sails, the spars, the rigging, and the foils, what's wrong with the boat?

You'll have to pay for it.

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