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Absolutely stoked to have hit 49.54 knots (boat speed) on the Solent today 

Fastest speed yet recorded on the Solent... the 50 is within touching distance. Let's do this! 

 

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WTH; one guy talking to himself??  Are they kicking the ACA loonies out and sending them to MA?  The new Doug Lord at least without the crazy colors and caps...  :blink:

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Heh. If I'm interested* - I post. You don't want to talk about it? Who cares?

As a wise person once said...

"Now shut-up and go play."

(*I'm not interested in the AC.)

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The Barrier Has Been Broken - By GBR

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Scott Babbage - SailGP Data Analyst - visited the Great Britain SailGP Team tech base during the team debrief post sailing today and had some pretty exciting news...

50dogballs knots (boat speed) confirmed! 

Congrats fellas.

Now - who was saying it would never happen? Hmm.

PS - SA's above autocorrect translation of "50 point 2 2" knots to "50dogballs" is about as good as it gets. Telling I must say. Heh.

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7 hours ago, Wess said:

WTH; one guy talking to himself??  Are they kicking the ACA loonies out and sending them to MA?  The new Doug Lord at least without the crazy colors and caps...  :blink:

I’ve got nothing. You’re right, this is like Doug 2.0. It’s just kind of creepy. 

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Again, Monkey - whether or not you or Wess or Thom or anyone else wants to join a discussion about foiling multis breaking the 50 knot barrier for the first time in history is completely your business. I don't really care one way or the other. And though I've heard the name Doug Lord a couple of times in my years here, I never really read any of his stuff. So that means nothing to me as well.

The bottom line is I think SailGP is pretty awesome, and I think it is truly (and obviously) taking the racing of multis (or any boat for that matter) to the next level. So, I'm following it and I'm posting what I find to be of interest - in the correct forum.

There are quite a few here reading along. So it's all good.

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Dan Morris of USA gives a great explanation of what happens when you go too fast and get too high...

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Heh, I figured the Aussies wouldn't let GBR stay up for long...

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First day on the water and smashed the 50 knot barrier! 51.24 knots

Might have pushed a bit too hard as we have damage to the wing...stay tuned.

51.24 knots!

Just incredible what these boats and sailors are capable of. And this is all just getting started!

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Well, I went back and looked up DL. Now I remember. "The foil guy". As I said, I'd not really followed any of his stuff and can't be bothered to read it now since it seems to be really in the weeds about design, etc.

But I do have an honest question - are people here in MA really so dead set against foiling that they can't appreciate what's going on in SailGP with these cats? If that's the case, that's worse than what's going on over in the "ACA Loony" farm. It's not going to stop me posting about SailGP in this SailGP thread, of course - but it is a little mystifying.

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Keep compiling the data here.  It makes it easy to find.  these boats are interesting.

I still dont know what those pictures of the weird prindle with the raised platform, and tequilla sunrise hobie sails have to do with these 50's though.

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Now this is gold...

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Rome gettin' seriously salty, Slingers whinging about not being able to be out there too...then he goes out and breaks both the short-lived record and his freakin' boat "going for 60 knots". Classic.

I love it.

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17 hours ago, Monkey said:

I’ve got nothing. You’re right, this is like Doug 2.0. It’s just kind of creepy. 

Well, that's the trouble with anarchy; no rules.  In a non anarchist environment the queen would put a stop to it.  Concur, it is creepy.  Always seeing the same no content thread with the last word always by the guy who started the thread.  

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20 minutes ago, MultiThom said:

Well, that's the trouble with anarchy; no rules.  In a non anarchist environment the queen would put a stop to it.  Concur, it is creepy.  Always seeing the same no content thread with the last word always by the guy who started the thread.  

Usually there is at least an effort to use sock puppets! :p                                                                                                                                                                                                     

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50 minutes ago, randii said:

Usually there is at least an effort to use sock puppets! :p                                                                                                                                                                                                     

Are you trying to imply I’m a sock puppet?  I’ve been here for 14-15 years. 

I was just agreeing with him on that particular topic. I completely disagree with his dislike of foils. 

I just thought he was correct regarding SD’s bizarre, manic, posting. There really hasn’t been anyone that off the rails since DouG. 

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I'm calling no one a sock. I was saying that with this much solo discussion, usually there ARE socks involved. 

I'm gonna go stand in the corner for a bit... :p

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3 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

We could be very lucky or very unlucky with the Weather/Wind on the Weekend.

Yeah - Saturday is looking a bit nuclear. Sunday is definitely better.

I'll be honest - I would love to see them run even if it's horrible conditions. Do I understand correctly that they have "heavy weather wings and foils"? I assume that doesn't mean 40+ knot gusts - but does anyone know those limits? Keep the foils tucked and just get around the course. That would be a fun watch!

PS - This is the window:

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During 2019, new wing sails will be constructed with a new geometry and control systems, improving performance at both ends of the wind spectrum. The aim is to be able to effectively conduct competitive racing in wind speeds from 4-30 knots.

 

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As for Monkey - don't sweat him randii. He doesn't seem to understand that I don't really care about "discussion" per se. There was plenty of "discussion" over in the circus thread and 99.9% of it was worthless. Monkey's (or Thom's) "rules of etiquette" are theirs - not mine.

I'm not trying to sway anyone or make any specific point. I'm simply going to post here what interests me about SailGP. Judging by the views and a few comments here and there - a few people seem to be enjoying that. If other people want to whinge and complain for pages and pages and pages and pages - there's another thread just for that. They'll have plenty of company.

That said, and to your point, I do at least respect the fact that neither of them hid behind a sock. That's about as lame as it gets.

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3 hours ago, Lost in Translation said:

A lot of us love foiling.  And SailGP is the best thing on the screen for boat racing these days. 

+1

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1 hour ago, randii said:

I'm calling no one a sock. I was saying that with this much solo discussion, usually there ARE socks involved. 

I'm gonna go stand in the corner for a bit... :p

My bad. I totally misunderstood!  

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2 hours ago, smackdaddy said:

 Monkey's (or Thom's) "rules of etiquette" are theirs - not mine.

 

Yah,  I understand being outlaw.  Especially in an anarchist desmesne.   But, I do hafta say that there are (or should) be some things that should not be tolerated.  For instance, child pornography; diddling in public (such as this thread); self aggrandizement (such as this thread); boring reposts of content we all could find if we wanted (like this thread)....lackwit content (like this thread).

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2 hours ago, MultiThom said:

anarchist desmesne

We may not agree on anything, Thom - but, seriously, that's pure poetry. Well done good sir!

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I'd say this is a well-earned statement:

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And to prove what super close means, check out the user video posted in the comments...

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Side-by-side shredding at 48 knots with USA and GBR. If you can't love this you're dead inside...

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And here is what it's like onboard at 50+

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Un-pucker is right.

 

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Though this is now the previous gen of the newer, faster boat, I always thought this was kind of cool...if not a bit mind-bending...

 

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In that video - Slingers is predicting more than 52 knots of speed if they get 25 knots. Doesn't think it will be a problem at all.

Holy crap.

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Slingers is a bit full of himself...sure...but check out the moment the wing folded on him after he 51.25 knots...

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You can certainly see why you don't want these boats out in 45.

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"Nathan on Speed"

I like Nathan, and his great explanation of what 50 knots feels like. But I really like his bold prediction for next season...

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Who knows - at this pace, they may see 53 knots THIS season!

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To me, one of the most interesting aspects of SailGP is this...

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So, these F50s are already the fastest racing cats on the planet - but they will continue to improve. That video of Nathan above where he is talking about the cavitation issue is very interesting to me. How do you solve that with these foils/rudders? What is the limit?

PS - You can see why the continual data pouring off all these boats is so important. I think there are some exciting times ahead.

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I love the looks on the faces during the vid. Great program...I may have to look at getting my boys involved next year!

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(Cheers for the heads-up Tornado-Cat)

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So, two things here:

1. If you're Slingsby and throwing shade at the other skippers/teams all the time - AND complaining about not getting time on the water - why the hell would you expect them to help you out when you stuff it up?

2. Besson is a very, very cool guy. I'd say his fan base is growing pretty quickly. Vive la France!

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Being a bit of a data nerd myself - I like this one. And I especially like the app up on her phone during the race. She's good!

Go the datachicks!

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And for those whinging about no racing today in high winds - it's clearly off the chain over there. It blew the paint right off this house!

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Seriously though Shirley does confirm something I was wondering about - they currently only have 1 wing option. There are 2 foil options for light and heavy winds, but the heavy air wings are slated for next season.

Very good vid.

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That above video toward the end also has a fascinating breakdown of the different styles and strategies between Outteridge and Slingsby. Great stuff.

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Good on you Smack, keep it up and ignore the white noise.

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They are all now playing very conservatively.AUS/GBR/JPN at the top.

(I won't spoil.)

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Super choppy water. Now the boats are starting to ramp up. But that start was freakin' hectic.

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Something seems to be wrong with JPN. They are not at their usual pace.

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Woah, Tom Johnson on USA just about got flicked off USA when the bows stuffed.

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The winner came across the line right at 50 knots. Very cool.

This is FULL ON!

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Good thing these guys are tethered! This speed is just insane. There's just never been anything like this in sailing. I love it!!

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There was LOTS of bow stuffing. 20 knots of wind and seriously sloppy water.

It's great to see these guys having to really fight.

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It's clear that the wing-trimmers are the most exposed. 2 flicks in 1 race.

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Chris Draper face-planted into Stu's helmet. Nasty. They went from 90K to 0 in a heartbeat.

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Okay, SailGP just announced the winner on FB so no spoiling here...

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AUS just freakin' sent it. BUT, they also played it very conservatively once in the lead. It's clear that they are seriously dominant here. 8 minutes to race 2.

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JPN's starboard pedestal just completely disintegrated.

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Holy crap - JPN pulls back into 3rd - with A BUSTED PEDESTAL!

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It's awesome to hear the crowds cheering as the finishers come across.

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Only 40 seconds between 2nd and 5th. This is what racing is supposed to be.

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Well, I think we found the edge in terms of conditions for these boats. NY was hectic, but this first race was pure chaos.

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Penalties clear. Besson has a chance - but just stuffed.

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JPN is STILL battling with one freakin' pedestal. Incredible.

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That was one hell of a race. Well done SailGP!

Now to Marseille!

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10 hours ago, DtM said:

Good on you Smack, keep it up and ignore the white noise.

Thanks Dt. Whingers never bother me. To be bothered, you first have to care what they are whinging about...then you have to respect them. Neither in this case.

So no worries.

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Fantastic shots, good commentary.  Really got my heart pumping.  Couple of big gaffs though.  The 1st race, they only showed the first two boats finish - there was only 5, could at least show them.  Also, when it was all over, they never showed the final results or the overall points.  I know I can find it in the app, but WTF.

Overall, really amazing and I am glad a billionaire is broadcasting his toys!

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The other content they are putting out is also very good.  The candid interviews and the onboard audio and video montages are fun to watch.

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Where did you watch it efrank? I honestly think the app is the best possible way to watch.

These races are so tightly packed that it's almost impossible for live tv to generate the graphics, replays, interstitials, bumpers, etc. needed to tell the whole story in real time. As you can see in the UI above, you've got all that live in the app.

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6 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

Where did you watch it efrank? I honestly think the app is the best possible way to watch.

 

YouTube.  I like to watch it on the big TV and run the app on my phone.

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Yeah - it just amazes all the video and data coming across in the app. Being able to switch between the video feeds (main, each boat, umpire view, etc.), select/compare boats and the data coming off them...

I honestly think this app - just by itself - is a true game-changer for racing.

SailGP has just proven itself to the world I think.

In any case, Slingsby and the AUS team are just insanely dialed in. No one is going to catch them...unless they destroy their boat. They deserve all the kudos they'll get. Incredible sailing...

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Waiting for the recap. I thought I saw the video on FB but they might have pulled it. In the mean time - this is pretty awesome too...

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I think Japan is every bit as good as Australia.  Nathan Outteridge might be the most talented high speed sailor alive.   They have saved a lot of points with broken boats in this series.  Also, they are doing it while developing Japanese sailors.

No doubt Australia dominated this regatta though.

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