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36 minutes ago, random said:

This shit show is so steeenking boring that they have to talk up this skipper rivalry.

But anyway, what is the carbon foot print of this even?

While the Amazon is burning, these fuckers decide that the best thing to do is setup a traveling circus?

This is completely fucked, should be banned.

Jesus Christ your a whinging little bitch

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54 minutes ago, Rumpig said:
1 hour ago, random said:

This shit show is so steeenking boring that they have to talk up this skipper rivalry.

But anyway, what is the carbon foot print of this even?

While the Amazon is burning, these fuckers decide that the best thing to do is setup a traveling circus?

This is completely fucked, should be banned.

Jesus Christ your a whinging little bitch

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49 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

By some accident are you familar with recording/capping? Any chance to download the 1.5 Hours and then sent it to me? I need it for my Archieves :D

Yes. No.

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On 9/17/2019 at 1:56 AM, random said:

Yep, on the water from 4 years old.  .

Wow! So what, 1?.... 2 years experience?

why don’t you take your childish presence somewhere else?

For fucks sake, please?

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Wow. I continue to be entertained by this game. Commentary is pretty good but they missed the critical point in race two when Nathan found a huge hole on the left side. 

Tom said they nailed three foiling tacks in 30 seconds to get in phase at the weather gate. 

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Someone is going to have to pick up the slack tomorrow. We're going sailing. I love SailGP - but not enough to not go sailing.

Later.

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6 hours ago, Solarbri said:

Wow! So what, 1?.... 2 years experience?

why don’t you take your childish presence somewhere else?

For fucks sake, please?

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I obviously want Aus to win but it’s a great comp when the podium is changing, Japan on top but come on Aus

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On 9/21/2019 at 2:05 AM, smackdaddy said:

But have you ever cut, bumpered, corrected, output, compressed, and pushed several hours of video? I have - and I wouldn't call it "easy".

Piece of piss. Was the editor on a 5 day surf boat race covered by 6 cameras each producing 2 hours of footage every day. In two hours I had to sort through 12 hours of footage, cut a general highlights package, plus a complete (ready for broadcast) segment including interviews for the sponsoring Station. All in a small van, no aircon and just two betacam tape decks. I knew when my time was up as the helicopter waiting outside would start spinning up. Stressful but doable, and that was with a linear analogue system. I've edited a lot of sport and you do learn how to cheat - people believe what they're seeing, even if I reused footage from previous days.

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R1...

Just a moment to enjoy the incredible venue and course...

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Big crowds speaking a lot of French...and light conditions...

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As we near the start - the quality of the photography and graphics are just next level...

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Look at that beautiful shot...but what's AUS up to? Hanging back?

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A great start with 5 boats packed at the line. AUS still lagging...

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Now screaming at 40+ knots toward the first mark...

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Coming into Mark 1 - CHN is outside and AUS is just chasing. USA is in a good spot...

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Everyone gets through clean but the other boats keep heading to the boundary - while AUS spots JPN's break and starts to hunt...

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AUS overtakes FRA - pissing of BB in a major way...and is now racing only against JPN. Look at where all the other boats have fallen. AUS was freakin' WAY back at the start!

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FRA still battling with AUS, while JPN keeps its lead...

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JPN and FRA shut AUS out at the mark...

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AUS is falling way back...

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NO is enjoying the ride...with a horizon finally clear of Slinger's back...

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And the rich douchebag is anchored in the middle of the course...

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JPN dominating as FRA just holds off AUS...

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And GBR starts to make a move...

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JPN pulls a hard maneuver at the gate...

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An FRA stays right with them...love it!

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And you just don't get any better coverage than this...

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Everyone else is now blasting in...look at that freakin' traffic jam...and you also see that FRA set it down after trying to stay with JPN (look back above at his wake - pushed it too hard)...

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More killer shots...

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But HoneyBadger don't care...

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USA screws up a foil at that mark and is now DITW...

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The top 3 coming into gate 4...AUS is slow...

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But JPN gets sloppy...

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And FRA pulls into the lead!!!

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And things start to get tight again...with AUS sneaking into 2nd...

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And GBR starting to push FRA...

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But JPN is still just smokin'...

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Opening up a bigger lead...

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AUS is definitely not on its game...

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And Tom has lost his boner..

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But he's not given up...still pushing JPN as they come into the last mark...

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But where the hell is going?

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The, ahm, finish is to your right...boner gone again as JPN crushes it...

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Followed by Team Viagra...

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And GBR...

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And a cool 3D graphic showing the boat stats...

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End of Race 1.

 

 

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Great service for the geoblocked, app screenshots and text. Keep it coming, it might be of interest for those that cannot access the actual action. 

Maybe we can get FM radio too? 

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Canal+ guys are really cheap (or directives from sailgp orga ?)

The lives are available for this race on dailymotion, but the sound/voice channels from the boats and interviews are cut ...

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Whohooo Aus are the champions, cant wait for next year with the changes they are doing on the boats, terrific exciting cat racing with lead changes for races and series

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3 hours ago, madboutcats said:

Whohooo Aus are the champions, cant wait for next year with the changes they are doing on the boats, terrific exciting cat racing with lead changes for races and series

Yeah it's gunna be fucking awesome.   I'm in!

I'm having a hard time finding the entry form though.

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On 9/22/2019 at 2:05 AM, dg_sailingfan said:

SailGP Season 1 Leaderboard after Marseille SailGP Day 2

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Big Shakeup as the China SailGP Team has now moved into a Tie with the Brits. Tomorrow not only the Championship will be decided but the Podium too.

Marseille SailGP Day 2

The AUS SailGP Team is definitly in the Drivers Seat. Weather Forecast for tomorrow is extremely dodgy and Day 3 could quite likely be cancelled. If that happens based on Points AUS SailGP wins and China SailGP Team would be on the Podium.

Just saw the first start ... funni as fuck, everyone holds back and let's the French boat get the start!

Give me a fucking break!

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Race 2

USA is out - working on the boat whilst floating around.

Wind has built a bit - and there has been a 20 degree wind-shift from R1. Fairly loose at the pre-start, but JPN is already hunting AUS...

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AUS is looking pretty good setting up...

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But JPN pushes AUS up as they near the line...

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But JPN, once again, smokes UAS at the start...with CHN and FRA pulling under. as AUS fades to nothing..

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FRA has just blasted through the gap, pushing CHN out and threatening JPN. AUS and GBR are struggling...

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And now the blast toward the first mark...

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AUS is making up ground and CHN is fading a bit...

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But FRA cops a penalty (something to do with GBR) and they lose 4 spots in a heartbeat...

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JPN and CHN are now solidly out front...

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CHN gets sloppy and cops a boundary penalty...

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JPN just keeps roaring...look at that photography...just insane.

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Now, look at the leader board. If this were "traditional racing" you just wouldn't see much change. But this is the future of sailing, so buckle up...

AUS takes GBR way back and starts its climb...

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AUS is really having trouble setting up their lay lines - as JPN and CHN round the second mark and JPN gets sloppy...

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This opens the door for CHN and they make up a lot of time...

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As another drunk moron sits on LandRover's face...

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AUS is hobbling along...as JPN and CHN trade the lead...

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But AUS obviously got a great near-shore lift and out of nowhere is coming up to the leaders who got into light wind on the outside...

NO is a little dumbfounded...

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And now AUS is truly in the hunt...but have a bad tack here in the lighter air...

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Now on starboard - but TS says he can't see the mark!

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Even so, AUS blasts past JPN - just incredible...

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So now it's CHN and AUS...as JPN is about to drop to the GBR!

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Beautiful onboard as JPN gives up another spot - back to 4th in the blink of an eye...

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As we near Gate 3, it's anyone's race. This is what real racing in tough conditions with the best sailors on the best boats on the planet looks like...

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CHN still very strong as they come into the mark on starboard...

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AUS just makes the mark behind CHN...while CHN has farther to sail giving AUS an edge...

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Now JPN scooting in trying to make up time and keep GBR out...

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It's a good move and JPN clears to the mark...

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AUS gets the wind and is now opening up a lead...incredible how they've clawed back from a horrible start...

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Another great onboard with boat stats graphic. Very cool...crew is lazily guessing where the wind is...they've obviously done a pretty damn good job of guessing to this point...

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Coming into gate 4, the drunk moron is now firmly planted - and USA is still in the way as well. Nice job fellas...

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AUS and CHN glide through, but JPN is just dropped off the map - 26 seconds back...

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JPN finally comes through and takes the opposite said...a last ditch effort...

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JPN now a full minute behind...as AUS does it's usual pull-away...

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A pretty brutal split between the boats (graphic)...

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CHN and GBR keep it tight...

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And start to gain a bit on AUS as we near the finish...

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AUS turns for home...

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Truly crushing JPN in an incredible come-from-behind...

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Now it's balls-out for CHN and GBR...

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GBR keeps its speed and runs for the line...

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And takes 2nd...

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Just phenomenal racing.

 

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RACE 3

USA is back in...

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Same 15 knot conditions...everyone stacked for the pre-start...

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JPN getting aggro again on AUS. TS just doesn't seem to have an answer for these starts...

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TS' view of his nemesis...

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AUS seems to be nailing it...

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But both JPN and GBR smoke to the line making it a killer start...

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This is racing my friends...

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JPN trying to get inside AUS as they come to the mark...

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Just a few meters in it...

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JPN stays on AUS after the mark and pushes them WAY out of bounds...all the other boats follow - so it actually looks like no boats were penalized. But JPN is now pulling away. Brilliant tactic...

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Now JPN has a comfy lead with CHN and AUS chasing...

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USA is still running with okay speed - but they are out the back door...but AUS has gotten some great wind on the inside and is now leading into the mark...

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Interesting split with JPN and CHN going inside, and AUS going out... Will it pay?

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Poor FRA and USA are just battling for dignity...

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Another lead change as JPN takes it back from AUS - and GBR and CHN are keeping it close...

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And now AUS is back up - with the other 3 making gains...

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An absolutely CRAZY cross between AUS and JPN. These speeds are just incredible and these boats are just meters apart. If you're a real sailor, it dosn't get better than this...

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And now JPN is inching toward the lead...

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Oh look, another drunk moron on the course! Keep an eye on him. He actually comes into play this race...

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Another high-speed cross between AUS and JPN...super tight racing...

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Very cool stats graphic for tv viewers - but you get this stuff full-time in the app...

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And now AUS is on starboard, forcing JPN down...

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But AUS hits light air and JPN tacks into the lead...

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GBR cops a penalty, giving CHN a run...

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AUS gets a boost and comes into the gate and back into the lead...

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But TS blows is and falls of his foils...

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NO takes advantage and blows past him...

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GBR has also taken advantage of that shoreside wind and has passed CHN and is now gaining on the leaders...

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And now it's getting tight at the front - with JPN still holding off AUS...

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JPN rounds the mark cleanly as AUS and GBR push in...

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USA has clawed into 5th - and after four legs, there are on 40 seconds between first and last...this is what racing is supposed to look like...

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GBR breaks out looking for a lift...

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They're now only 2 seconds behind AUS...

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And on starboard! Brilliant move for GBR...

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AUS dips for another crazy close crossing...

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And now GBR are in second in a drag race for the finish...

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And AUS literally has to duck the cuck here...oof...

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Clearly not happy about it - but we get some great onboard tactics from AUS...

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We find out that "there's no oil" for AUS - crippling them further and letting GBR gain an edge...

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But they stay hard in it - pushing GBR...

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AUS is not used to this view...

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JPN scream into the final mark with AUS having made a better gybe than GBR and taking a comfortable 2nd...

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JPN wins this one handily...

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With AUS and GBR close behind...

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And during NO's winnerview, TS sails by and literally flips him the bird...just classic...

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Oh looky here!

We can't fucking watch it but we have a still shot with text commentry, that makes up for it!

But where is my entry form, we are hot to trot.

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Sounds like there is strong demand from the AC crowd. That's good!

If they behave themselves, maybe they'll get to see some of next season

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9 hours ago, random said:

Oh looky here!

We can't fucking watch it but we have a still shot with text commentry, that makes up for it!

But where is my entry form, we are hot to trot.

As I wrote, I want an FM radio broadcast.

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RACE 4

The dreaded bluster never arrived, leaving very mild and dreary conditions...

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CHN is in good position as the start nears...

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But BB and FRA slide under...they have been consistently good in the starts and this is no different...

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JPN is late and AUS is way back...but GBR is in the weeds...

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FRA is out front in a commanding position nearing mark 1...

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And holds it together rounding the mark with CHN and JPN on their heels - USA is actually in the hunt too - with AUS and GBR seriously lagging...

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BB enjoys a view he's rarely had...

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JPN decides to go elsewhere for wind as USA closes more ground...

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FRA and CHN open up more distance over the fleet...

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As AUS and GBR struggle...

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FRA has to pull perfect maneuvers to keep CHN off at this point...and they've never been great at that...

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Tight front with USA chasing...

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Watch the video at this point - the g-forces are incredible as these crew have to sprint to the opposite side...I think that's Marie. She's a tough chick!

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Top 3 still battling...

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AUS has peeled off to the seaward side...will it pay?

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AUS overtaking USA now and inching up in the fleet...while Japan has just nicked CHN with better wind center course...

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And now it's FRA and JPN...

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NO make a brilliant move and BB can't react fast enough...

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Another crazy close pass as FRA has to dip...

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And just like that, JPN is gone...

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And out of nowhere again - AUS has blown away the rest of the fleet - again...

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But then FRA gets some good air and makes another move...

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And starts really putting distance between them and AUS - who can only watch JPN tear away...

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JPN continues to open up a comfortable 20+ second lead...

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And yet another crazy close cross...as AUS moves into 2nd...

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And now the race comes down to this...which will be the right side?

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Another close cross between AUS and JPN...

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With FRA close on their heels....GREAT RACING!!

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FRA gets the edge at the rounding, pushing AUS back a spot...

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And AUS continues to die a slow death in the light air while JPN and FRA open up...

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JPN and FRA continue to pull away, and AUS finally finds a puff...

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TS on AUS can only watch at he loses ground - again...

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But it's not over...

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Even so, JPN continues to put distance on everyone else...doing a great job stitching together pressure...

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JPN coming into gate 4 with the fleet far behind...

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And long gone when everyone else starts to arrive...

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FRA drops off again at the rounding...

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Giving AUS the opening it needs...

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JPN has hit a hole again - and things really tighten now...

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JPN sure looks pretty chill - while FRA is getting their stoke on!

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But JPN gets breeze again and starts to open it back up...

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But while no one watching AUS on the seaside, they obviousl grabbed some fresh breeze and pounce...can you believe this stuff????

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And just like that - they're gone...

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From almost a minute back to now over 30 seconds ahead of the fleet heading toward the finish...

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You know that Nathan has to be flipping the bird right here...

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These guys are freakin' rock stars - that's all there is to it...

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And even CHN gets back in the action at the end. The seaside of the course definitely paid...

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Race 4 above has easily been one of the best races thus far. It shows that these teams are really equalizing. Next season should be just bonkers!

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RACE 5

Wind has built a bit - should be even better racing...

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As usual AUS and JPN practice for the match race start as FRA gets into position...

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Jockeying between the usual suspects...

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And JPN yet again smokes AUS, with FRA and CHN also getting a great start like in R4...

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(Quick Note: Starts have been so important historically because of how slow boats have always been. That is no longer the case for the most part as you can see in these races. Maybe some sailing being redefined here?)

AUS is now dead last after completely blowing the start - same 3 from last race lead...

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Great shot of the stack...

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CHN is really pushing JPN as they round the mark...

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Then everyone falls into a hole...

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CHN finds the breeze first and pushes past JPN...

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But AUS starts doing what it always does...

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At least the drunk morons are outside the fence this time...

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CHN starts opening up a good lead here...

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And continues shoveling distance onto JPN...

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For the first ever, I think, CHN is sailing a great race. Can they keep it up for 3 more gates?

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JPN starts to gain after the turn...

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And GBR begins to sneak up on the leaders...

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They then take a spot from the AUS team with a beautiful cross...

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And now we have a back-and-forth for 3rd while CHN keeps truckin'...

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AUS gets better air and starts to move on JPN...

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While JPN finds that seaside pressure and moves on CHN!!!

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Super-tight racing coming into the mark...

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But CHN is just holding them off...

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Coming in for another tight cross...

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Just incredible...

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CHN now heading for gate 3...can JPN close?

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CHN drop into a hole as JPN screams in...

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Yet ANOTHER crazy close cross as JPN shoots the gap...

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But JPN has chosen the weak side - even allowing AUS to come back on them...

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Now JPN dies the slow death as everyone passes them...and CHN is freakin' GONE! Tactics baby.

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CHN has now properly smoked the fleet...

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But AUS is making up ground again. Can CHN hold them off?

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And now lots of space between 3rd and 4th as the fleet bobs around mid-course.

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While CHN keeps marching toward the finish...

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Meanwhile, JPN takes it back from AUS...

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And the battle for 2nd begins...

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Back-and-forth we go...

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And as CHN heads for home for its first-ever win - will JPN be able to shut out AUS at the zone?

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No. AUS on the better line crosses...

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Yet another stellar race...

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RACE 6

Looks like USA wants a piece...

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Setting up nicely...

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And pulling the trigger...

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First great start for USA in a long time...but this is tight...

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JPN immediately starts to push...

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RK stays focused on the mark as they rocket towards it...

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And USA gets to the zone first - pushing JPN up...

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AUS comes into the mark as USA stays with JPN...

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But TS has other ideas...heading back to the seaside of the course...

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The others finally start to turn and cover...

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But AUS is the first to the pressure and starts pushing...

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USA extends, leaving AUS and JPN to have at it...

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But starboard wins - yet again...

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it's really incredible to watch AUS and JPN. They just have far better tactics and boat-handling skills. That's clear...

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And USA is left in the bin. Fun while it lasted...everyone, including JPN drops into a hole as AUS extends...

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And JPN and USA finally get to the mark...

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USA heads back out to find pressure while JPN stays tucked...

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While FRA fights its way back into contention...

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But JPN now makes a move on AUS who is dying near the shore...

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Things seem pretty set at this point as the wind continues to die...

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Just looking for puffs...

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JPN clears first with USA pulling back a spot from FRA...

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And now time for a slow traffic jam...

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Now the winds have gone and the boats are just bobbing...

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What is this - the AC in Bermuda? Heh.

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Do they have fenders on these boats?

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Well, you can't control the weather...

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Yes - they are still "racing"...

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Little puffs here and there provides some separation...

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And JPN starts moving a bit...

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But - this race just dies with the wind. So, off to the finals!

 

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Where is my entry form?  I have a silver card and this is the future of sailing!

Want to be in it!  Why can't I join?

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RACE 7

(Just became available in this app this afternoon. ~24hr turnaround.)

And now it's down to 4 boats fighting for the podium. Conditions are horribly light - so it's gonna suck a bit...

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Three drift across the line while GBR has gotten stuck in a hole way back...

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And USA takes it over CHN...

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Moving "slow" (20 knots) - but close racing...

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USA and CHN continue the battle past the mark...

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And USA comes out on top...

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Looking fast...

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USA clears the mark with a clean lead and heads out to find more wind...

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And they drop right into a freakin' DEEEEP hole...

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Waiting for GBR? Very sporting RK. USA finally picks up a puff but are now WAY behind...it changes just like that...

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And now GBR is finally making the shot...

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GBR hits yet ANOTHER hole as the rest of the boats move on...

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And now it's down to FRA and CHN...this rounding will be critical...

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FRA slows to a crawl shoreward as CHN goes out for some seabreeze...but as we've seen on this side of the course - lots of holes - and CHN drops right into one...

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USA trying to catch FRA...good call to say away from the other side of the course...

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CHN is literally parked - just watching the other boats run away...

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BB keeps is mellow and focused as usual...

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It's clear that USA also caught a nasty hole - both USA and CHN are way behind FRA...

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Then, once again, the wind just dies...

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Seeing this, and in a brilliant move, the RC calls it a day and suddenly declares this top mark as the finish...but FRA are just barely moving while CHN barrels down on them...

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And FRA just BARELY inches across for the win...

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Congrats to FRA for their win on home-waters. This is definitely a team to watch.

Actually, a pretty fun race for such light conditions.

 

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GRAND FINAL

The course has been move to provide better wind. Think about having to coordinate and execute something like that in just a few hours. Absolutely top notch team that SailGP.

AUS stupidly pulls a penalty right off the bat by enter the box early...

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Now JPN is just keeping clear to avoid a penalty themselves...

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Stalking each other counting down...

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15 to go and NO on JPN calls for a "slingshot start" - they line up and put the hammer down...

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And though they are naturally the first to the mark, AUS has timed it extremely well and already has more speed...

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JPN looking very strong...

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And AUS chooses to split off...

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This proves to be a good move as AUS gains back a good chunk of time...

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Looking at a tight cross to the gate...

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And JPN just edges AUS going in...

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Really a brilliant move by NO as he turns JUST in front of AUS to take the zone...

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JPN capitalizes but AUS is hanging in...

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Once again, AUS splits off to set up another cross...

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And JPN starts getting a little sloppy on maneuvers...letting AUS bite in...

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Again, the turns on these boats are just off the charts - the Gs must be insane...

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AUS gets its cross - just behind JPN...

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But it finds better air and stays on its foils, now pulling ahead...

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Then the lead flips again as JPN find better air on their side of the course...

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Video gets a bit sloppy here - kind of a bummer - but these guys are definitely in shape!

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JPN covers well as they cross AUS again...

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But on this cross AUS has the edge by just a meter or two...

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NO goes for the penatly like a true badass...

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This is 78 cm - or 0.5 of a second...

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Now, many are saying that this was the "Million Dollar Mistake" - and they are wrong. This wasn't the mistake because it was still on at this point...

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This was the mistake...NO turns out to the other side and loses his speed...bad move...

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And AUS carries on as JPN flounders...

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TS can taste it now...

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JPN finally catches some air and tries to get back in it..

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But it's not to be. AUS take the SailGP Championship and a cool $1M...

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Well-deserved win...

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With huge crowds in the rain watching some of the best sailboat racing in history...

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What a great Season 1.

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So, in summary, a few takeaways from Season 1:

1. AUS just completely dominated the season. They are not the best tactically, but they are just ALWAYS fast and ALWAYS consistent in their boat handling. Stellar performance.

2. This is unquestionably the most exciting sailboat racing on the planet. There just no question about that anymore. Will the America's Cup be exciting? Sure. But SailGP is just an entirely new level. As someone else said, SailGP will be in its 3rd season by the time the very few AC75s finally face off. SailGP is unequivocally the Neu Mug.

3. Due to the acceleration and speeds of these boats, traditional sailing tactics no longer apply to a large degree. Starts don't matter nearly as much as they used to...it all happens on the course. "Covering air" (or wing wash now) has very little effect on these boats due to the crazy apparent winds. It's all about the ability to keep that boat on its foils and find the best wind to do it.

4. This is not your grandpa's sailing. The F50s have truly redefined sailing - regardless of what anyone wants to say. I have nothing against old world sailing and racing - it's what I and most others do. But to not recognize these F50s for what they are doing is just stupidity. It is abundantly clear that if you have a good team aboard the boat - you will dominate...BUT... it is also abundantly clear that that edge of domination is now razor thin. All the lead changes and wins from all different boats show that. That's what makes AUS' work so impressive.

5. I'm going to have to pull for my USA team. They're young and have a lot to learn - but I look forward to watching them do just that next season.

Thanks to those few of you who were not whinging bitches and enjoyed a bit of discussion. It was fun. And it was also fun smacking the whinging bitches as well. I'm sure there will be more of that to come.

To Season 2!!!!

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And to the KiWhingersTM, who obviously don't sail but just type, I leave this as a token of my love...(change the word "AFOCer" to "KiWhinger" - same thing)...

 

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33 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

1. AUS just completely dominated the season. They are not the best tactically, but they are just ALWAYS fast and ALWAYS consistent in their boat handling. Stellar performance.

<But.... wait for it ....>

2. This is unquestionably the most exciting sailboat racing on the planet.

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6 hours ago, smackdaddy said:

2. This is unquestionably the most exciting sailboat racing on the planet. There just no question about that anymore. Will the America's Cup be exciting? Sure. But SailGP is just an entirely new level. As someone else said, SailGP will be in its 3rd season by the time the very few AC75s finally face off. SailGP is unequivocally the Neu Mug.

Yeah nah, the F50s were exciting in the cup because they were new, and they're exciting now because its good close racing, but its not as exciting as it was watching them race for the Auld Mug. Its a great fix of high octane sailing, but the cup will be more exciting because of the build up.

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5 hours ago, JonRowe said:

Yeah nah, the F50s were exciting in the cup because they were new, and they're exciting now because its good close racing, but its not as exciting as it was watching them race for the Auld Mug. Its a great fix of high octane sailing, but the cup will be more exciting because of the build up.

"Because of the build up"? 4 years of speculation, arguing, and litigation is only enjoyable to a small twisted few who like to hear themselves talk. It's not exciting and it definitely doesn't make the racing exciting. It's just elitist intrigue and masturbatory blather - for 4 freakin' years. You can have it.

Normal people enjoy racing - actual racing...especially the high octane racing SailGP just provided, as you rightly point out - and which it will provide again in a few months, then again in 2021, etc. While the Auld Mug tarnishes in its case, the Neu Mug is busy - very busy. And that's great for our sport. Period.

Again, nothing against the AC. I think these AC75s will be fun to watch - though I also think they will be a one-off. And the overall event has unfortunatly shrunk to very few boats and very few events. Still, it's the AC and always will be. But the insecurity of AC fans over SailGP is seriously off. I don't know why they feel so threatened. I guess back to the twisted few thing.

So, yeah.

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I'm not insecure, nor threatened, I will continue to enjoy both SailGP (and I'm really looking forward to the continued dominance of Slingers and the Roo next year) I'm just saying that just like other sports, regular leagues are less important than one offs. 

29 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

"Because of the build up"? 4 years of speculation, arguing, and litigation is only enjoyable to a small twisted few who like to hear themselves talk. It's not exciting and it definitely doesn't make the racing exciting. It's just masturbatory blather - for 4 freakin' years. You can have it.

The speculation, arguing, litigation is boring, true, but its the progression of design, out of the box thinking, and anticipation that makes the build up worth it.

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4 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

I'm not insecure, nor threatened, I will continue to enjoy both SailGP (and I'm really looking forward to the continued dominance of Slingers and the Roo next year) I'm just saying that just like other sports, regular leagues are less important than one offs. 

The speculation, arguing, litigation is boring, true, but its the progression of design, out of the box thinking, and anticipation that makes the build up worth it.

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "less important". To whom? And why?

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1 minute ago, smackdaddy said:

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "less important". To whom? And why?

To everyone, because they are less special. Every sport has tiers of importance, e.g NHL is more important than AHL, the Rugby World Cup is more important than a normal game, Soccer World Cup is more important than an EPL game, and so The Americas Cup is more important than the WMRT or Sail GP.

 

Of course, this is just my opinion, you are entitled to your own, and to you Sail GP may be the most important, but it's not as you originally put, "unquestionable" :)

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31 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

To everyone, because they are less special. Every sport has tiers of importance, e.g NHL is more important than AHL, the Rugby World Cup is more important than a normal game, Soccer World Cup is more important than an EPL game, and so The Americas Cup is more important than the WMRT or Sail GP.

 

Of course, this is just my opinion, you are entitled to your own, and to you Sail GP may be the most important, but it's not as you originally put, "unquestionable" :)

My "unquestionably" point was about how exciting the racing his - not how "important" it is. And my statement is absolutely accurate. What other race on the planet has 6+ boats racing tight courses at 50 knots in all kinds of conditions all around the world?

"Exciting" is objective. It's plain for all to see without explanation. "Important" is completely subjective. The idea of "importance" is actually the crux of the AC insecurity. So, as I've said, I don't really care about the "importance" factor. I only care about the racing. And SailGP has proven itself in that regard.

We will see what kind of excitement 3 large foiling monos on a relatively large track bring. It could be great. It could suck. We'll see. But I can promise you one thing, if it's at all unexciting - it will unquestionably be unimportant.

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I’m on the fence with AC and will applaud if they are doing close racing and the speeds we have seen from sailing GP but if they are back to the old mono way of getting scared into tacking when they are 500 metres apart then winning on the penalty then I’ll be laughing my tits off, same if they are only doing the same speed or less as sailing GP boats as with foils it’s all the same, it just comes down to who’s the best engineer of foils. I’m sure sponsors will be watching sailing GP and AC at the same time and will make up their mind where their money is better spent

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On 9/24/2019 at 6:00 AM, random said:

Where is my entry form?  I have a silver card and this is the future of sailing!

Want to be in it!  Why can't I join?

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Dear Mr Random

Please accept our apologies for replying so late, but it takes time to register on this forum and we had no other way of contacting you. Everybody at SailGP is delighted that you wish to enter our series, further demonstrating that SailGP is the premier sailing circuit and that we really are reinventing sailing.

Before we can proceed with your entry, there are a few minor requirements we need to sort out. Unlike the America's Cup, where the only pre-requisite of entry is that you represent an established club that holds regattas, we need to ensure that our teams really are the "best of the best", rather than dreamers who either under dramatically under perform or who pull out through lack of funds, ineptitude or both.

The first hurdle to overcome is your team name. All team names need to be the country they represent. It is our understanding that you are from New Zealand, so we have provisionally reserved the name "Team New Zealand" for you. As we only allow one team per country, we encourage you to work fast so that you can become Team New Zealand.

We require full disclosure of the experience of your team, both regarding the management of major sailing teams and the sailing achievements of key personnel. We need to ensure your team has the experience to follow through with your commitments once entered and that you will not be a danger on the race course. Of particular interest will be how many Olympic medalists you have, how many America's Cup sailors will be on the boat or even, how many Volvo races members of your team have competed in. Proven experience in foiling boats is an advantage, but not essential if the level of other experiences suggest that your team will be able to adapt.

The final minor hurdle is the fee we require and the commitment level. We need you to provide a sponsor who will enter into a non revocable contract to sponsor your team for 5 years at the agreed funding level. That funding level is currently $5m per year for boat and event entry, plus an additional $2m per year contribution to the development and technical fund. In total, we need the commitment of $35m before we can accept your entry. Regrettably, unlike the America's Cup, we are unable to alter these terms because it would be unfair on the teams that have already committed to this. We do not want the situation we saw in the America's Cup with teams like Malta and Holland.

In exchange for meeting the above requirements, we will ensure you reach the start line in boats equal to your competitors, so you don't need to worry about whether your design team has produced a fast enough boat. SailGP ensures the best sailors win - no wasting 4 years of your life only to be beaten by an inferior team sailing a faster boat. That's what IOR is for. NO team will be able to outspend another or find loopholes in the design rules. No team will get a tractor instead of a sportscar, or a bicycle instead of walking. 

We are particularly excited by your team due to your proven mastery of social media and because of the impact your social media efforts have had on our profile. For reasons we cannot truly understand, there is a hard core group of New Zealanders who have kept our profile very high and without their efforts, we have been concerned that SailGP might not be the most read subject on well known forums such as this. We are grateful for your efforts and believe that when you become part of the SailGP family, this can only reach new heights.

Next season will see the number of teams increase, with new teams meeting the above stated requirements. We hope your team can join the others who help make SailGP what it is today. For the sake of transparency, we are prepared to take the unusual step of conducting our interactions with you here, rather than the usual way of keeping a low profile until everything is signed, something we do so as not to have the aforementioned dreamers you get with the America's Cup. We want genuine numbers, rather than the appearance of numbers.

We look forward to your responses.

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Can I have your autograph Ms. GP? Heh.

PS - It's truly amazing the that Kiwis have done so much for SailGP's profile having been GEO-Blocked back to the stone age. Shows some very, very strong demand indeed.

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Hey, @random Get your lawyer on the phone.

For one thing, they are making you guarantee the franchise fee now but Sugar Larry is still fully funding the other teams. Those just need their own lunch money and to say nice things about SailGP. Could be because of your national origin or, well, not to put too fine a point on it, color and physical differences. That's illegal in the good old USofA and hopefully in UK or Jersey or whatever Formula 50 LLC is incorporated.

Second, the paragraph about the guaranteed boat quality. Get your lawyer to put in stronger alternative language that your team will not be handicapped by chronic video screen, electrical system, comms system, pedestal breakages for no apparent reason. Here in Merica, we got lemon laws!

Overall, this is great news. The Team Random GoFundMe page is almost set to launch. The entire SAP exec team is set to donate, Bezos and Werner are on board, and lots of Oracle customers are ready to #RedefineSailGP! $35 mill no problema.

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2 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

For one thing, they are making you guarantee the franchise fee now but Sugar Larry is still fully funding the other teams.

Thank you for your continued interest in SailGP, the world's premier sailing circuit.

We wish to clarify certain misunderstandings. While the initial costs have been underwritten by the founders of SailGP, all teams and the series itself are transitioning to a self funded model. This will take time, but this transition will be completed within 5 years. Existing teams are already transitioning and raising their own funds, having been given achievable targets for that transition. All new teams need to have their funding in place, which hasn't been an issue for the new teams soon to be announced.

2 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Those just need their own lunch money and to say nice things about SailGP. Could be because of your national origin or, well, not to put too fine a point on it, color and physical differences. That's illegal in the good old USofA and hopefully in UK or Jersey or whatever Formula 50 LLC is incorporated.

As suggested above, all new teams are being offered exactly the same terms, whatever country they are from. SailGP runs a non discriminatory policy and we are confident we are not in breach of that policy.We welcome participation from all countries, races and color.

2 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Second, the paragraph about the guaranteed boat quality. Get your lawyer to put in stronger alternative language that your team will not be handicapped by chronic video screen, electrical system, comms system, pedestal breakages for no apparent reason. Here in Merica, we got lemon laws!

There seems to be some misunderstanding, because I cannot see any reference to guaranteed boat quality. While I am sure Mr Random will understand, the boats used are cutting edge and as such, like all cutting edge sports equipment be it an F1 race car or these boats, problems occur. If you are unable to accept that, may I suggest that racing something like one of the fine Beneteau range which will give you the assurances you clearly crave (I believe they are known a 4KSB's on this forum). Fortunately, they are stable enough that you should be able to continue to follow SailGP via our app wherever your boat should take you.

We hope that Mr Random responds soon and that we can welcome him into the SailGP family.

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1 minute ago, SailGP said:

We hope that Mr Random responds soon and that we can welcome him into the SailGP family.

Ahm, I don't mean to intrude, but for clarity moving forward, Random uses the "Ms/she/her" pronouns.

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Dear Ms SailGP:

Thank you for your kind letter clarifying areas of misunderstanding.

It is reassuring to know that SailGP teams are already transitioning to self funding and are working towards achievable targets during the transition.  I am confident Team Random will meet these on equal terms with the others. I'm sure you can understand the confusion generated by press repeating out of date information from early days to the extent SailGP is "fully underwritten" by Mr. Ellison until it demonstrates commercial viability. See e.g.https://sailgp.com/about/introduction/

How lovely that demonstrated commercial viability  is already the case!  Perhaps you might have your content team tweak that for next season. SailGP is certainly  of sufficient stature by now not to need mention of a Silicon Valley billionaire to lend financial credibility.

In any case, I am sure Team Random will be pleased to draw on its syndicate for tranches on equal terms with those made by other teams. Just for reference, will Team Random be required to apply the 2020 Season Championship Prize to self funding or can they blow it all on a big party in March 2021, for example?

It's also lovely you welcome diverse teams and foster an inclusive environment. Some Team Random members may offer SailGP additional ways to "make history." I am not sure what pronouns members prefer but am sure your paperwork is nonbinary.

Your reference to assured boat quality lies in "we will ensure you reach the start line in boats equal to your competitors." Sadly, that did not appear to be the case Season 1. Teams were working on boat breakages on the water en route to the the start line and several reported system outages including data screens before starts. The marvelous SailGP app let us follow these events right on the boat cams.  Perhaps you have a new reliability policy, clarification will be most helpful. One wouldn't want to have to rely on the lovely SailGP app on one's  iPhone to see one's data during a race, would one? 

Although I am merely the founder of the Team Random SailGP Fan Fleet, and as such cannot make representations on the team's behalf, I am sure Team Random will be eagerly awaiting their warm welcome into the #Redefined family.

Have a lovely day.

NeedAClew (she/her/hey you)

 

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3 hours ago, SailGP said:

Dear Mr Random

Please accept our apologies for replying so late, but it takes time to register on this forum and we had no other way of contacting you. Everybody at SailGP is delighted that you wish to enter our series, further demonstrating that SailGP is the premier sailing circuit and that we really are reinventing sailing.

Before we can proceed with your entry, there are a few minor requirements we need to sort out. Unlike the America's Cup, where the only pre-requisite of entry is that you represent an established club that holds regattas, we need to ensure that our teams really are the "best of the best", rather than dreamers who either under dramatically under perform or who pull out through lack of funds, ineptitude or both.

The first hurdle to overcome is your team name. All team names need to be the country they represent. It is our understanding that you are from New Zealand, so we have provisionally reserved the name "Team New Zealand" for you. As we only allow one team per country, we encourage you to work fast so that you can become Team New Zealand.

We require full disclosure of the experience of your team, both regarding the management of major sailing teams and the sailing achievements of key personnel. We need to ensure your team has the experience to follow through with your commitments once entered and that you will not be a danger on the race course. Of particular interest will be how many Olympic medalists you have, how many America's Cup sailors will be on the boat or even, how many Volvo races members of your team have competed in. Proven experience in foiling boats is an advantage, but not essential if the level of other experiences suggest that your team will be able to adapt.

The final minor hurdle is the fee we require and the commitment level. We need you to provide a sponsor who will enter into a non revocable contract to sponsor your team for 5 years at the agreed funding level. That funding level is currently $5m per year for boat and event entry, plus an additional $2m per year contribution to the development and technical fund. In total, we need the commitment of $35m before we can accept your entry. Regrettably, unlike the America's Cup, we are unable to alter these terms because it would be unfair on the teams that have already committed to this. We do not want the situation we saw in the America's Cup with teams like Malta and Holland.

In exchange for meeting the above requirements, we will ensure you reach the start line in boats equal to your competitors, so you don't need to worry about whether your design team has produced a fast enough boat. SailGP ensures the best sailors win - no wasting 4 years of your life only to be beaten by an inferior team sailing a faster boat. That's what IOR is for. NO team will be able to outspend another or find loopholes in the design rules. No team will get a tractor instead of a sportscar, or a bicycle instead of walking. 

We are particularly excited by your team due to your proven mastery of social media and because of the impact your social media efforts have had on our profile. For reasons we cannot truly understand, there is a hard core group of New Zealanders who have kept our profile very high and without their efforts, we have been concerned that SailGP might not be the most read subject on well known forums such as this. We are grateful for your efforts and believe that when you become part of the SailGP family, this can only reach new heights.

Next season will see the number of teams increase, with new teams meeting the above stated requirements. We hope your team can join the others who help make SailGP what it is today. For the sake of transparency, we are prepared to take the unusual step of conducting our interactions with you here, rather than the usual way of keeping a low profile until everything is signed, something we do so as not to have the aforementioned dreamers you get with the America's Cup. We want genuine numbers, rather than the appearance of numbers.

We look forward to your responses.

That's so fucking awesome, I'm super stoked and looking forward to it.  Thanks for your help.

But mate sailing is about rules and shit, doing it the right way.  So send me the links so I can do a valid entry, don't want to fuck it up.

Looking forward to your response!

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I just joined this forum as I woke up after years of drifting away from sailing due to life, kids and whatever job related BS.

I only found out about SailGP last week. What a shame. It looks like it's been very exciting. I love the concept.

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3 minutes ago, Jax said:

I just joined this forum as I woke up after years of drifting away from sailing due to life, kids and whatever job related BS.

I only found out about SailGP last week. What a shame. It looks like it's been very exciting. I love the concept.

Get the app. You can replay all the races, read about the boats, be champing at the bit for 2020.  If you have trouble with it just ask and people will help.

https://sailgp.com/about/sailgpapp/

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Thanks. I already got the app and used it over the week-end. Even managed to see the final while I was trying to recover from a very late night Sunday afternoon.

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Great! The umpapp view is good to replay if you have a large device or if you put it in the big window and the video in the smaller one once you've seen the race. Have fun.

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17 hours ago, random said:

That's so fucking awesome, I'm super stoked and looking forward to it.  Thanks for your help.

But mate sailing is about rules and shit, doing it the right way.  So send me the links so I can do a valid entry, don't want to fuck it up.

Looking forward to your response!

Dear Random

Please excuse the informality of the greeting but as has been pointed out above, we do not know your preferred gender and as an inclusive organisation, we do not wish to cause offence.

We are slightly puzzled as to why you believe there would be an entry form of any sort. It is not usual for leading series such as ours to have such a requirement. By way of example, there is no such document for entry to the America's Cup. Unlike the America's Cup, which does publish their requirements in a protocol, we take a more personal approach and work with potential competitors in whatever manner they choose. For most, contact is usually initiated informally, often by them phoning our CEO, Russell Coutts, directly, which works well because anybody with the experience and contacts needed to run a team would already have his number or at worst, know somebody who does. However, we are willing to work with potential competitors in the manner they choose and as you have only attempted to contact us via this forum, we are happy to communicate with you in this manner.

To be able to proceed in welcoming you into the SailGP family, we do need you to provide us with the information outlined above. Of paramount importance, we need the CV's of the key members of the team as evidence that your team is capable of running a campaign and of sailing our boats. We understand that you might not have finalised your sponsorship agreements, and we would be happy to assist in further discussions with serious, qualified potential sponsors, but before doing this we need to ensure that you more than some anonymous dreamer sitting in your mother's basement dreaming of playing with the big boys, or, worse, you are not some internet troll making trouble, which seems unlikely because we are assured  that they do not reside in this forum. Obviously, if we believed you were not genuine, we would never have started this dialogue, so we look forward to your response so we can proceed further.

Kind regards

SailGP

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1 minute ago, SailGP said:

Dear Random

Please excuse the informality of the greeting but as has been pointed out above, we do not know your preferred gender and as an inclusive organisation, we do not wish to cause offence.

We are slightly puzzled as to why you believe there would be an entry form of any sort. It is not usual for leading series such as ours to have such a requirement. By way of example, there is no such document for entry to the America's Cup. Unlike the America's Cup, which does publish their requirements in a protocol, we take a more personal approach and work with potential competitors in whatever manner they choose. For most, contact is usually initiated informally, often by them phoning our CEO, Russell Coutts, directly, which works well because anybody with the experience and contacts needed to run a team would already have his number or at worst, know somebody who does. However, we are willing to work with potential competitors in the manner they choose and as you have only attempted to contact us via this forum, we are happy to communicate with you in this manner.

To be able to proceed in welcoming you into the SailGP family, we do need you to provide us with the information outlined above. Of paramount importance, we need the CV's of the key members of the team as evidence that your team is capable of running a campaign and of sailing our boats. We understand that you might not have finalised your sponsorship agreements, and we would be happy to assist in further discussions with serious, qualified potential sponsors, but before doing this we need to ensure that you more than some anonymous dreamer sitting in your mother's basement dreaming of playing with the big boys, or, worse, you are not some internet troll making trouble, which seems unlikely because we are assured  that they do not reside in this forum. Obviously, if we believed you were not genuine, we would never have started this dialogue, so we look forward to your response so we can proceed further.

Kind regards

SailGP

Thanks for getting back to me, I'm still super stoked and will be there next year!

This is WS approved I hear, so please send Notice of Race.  They contain every thing I need to know.

Looking forward to it!

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Oh, no worries GP, that Random, she's "genuine" okay. She's been on the water since she was 4. I believe that's even longer than Sir Coutts! Why, I'm sure he has her number!

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5 hours ago, random said:

Thanks for getting back to me, I'm still super stoked and will be there next year!

This is WS approved I hear, so please send Notice of Race.  They contain every thing I need to know.

Looking forward to it!

@random this is really looking good!  No worries, as soon as you want to announce (the SailGP people probably have some schedule for everything), the [Nation] SailGP Random Fan Flotilla will be ready to rumble!

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5 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

@random this is really looking good!  No worries, as soon as you want to announce (the SailGP people probably have some schedule for everything), the [Nation] SailGP Random Fan Flotilla will be ready to rumble!

Awesome. we have the simulator downloaded.  Now have the boat on a few beanbags and connecting some pulleys to make it all work.

Still waiting for the Notice of Race, the Sailing Instructions would be pretty useful too.

These are mandatory for a WS approved event right?

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Thkx SailGP for this great piece of academic semantic.

 For non English-language natives, it is not only a great English lecture but also a pleasant change from hard to understand language commonly met on forums.

Cheers

 

 

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On 8/25/2019 at 7:57 PM, random said:

Looking at your posting record you not only will not be missed, but you never contributed any value to start with.

Oh the irony...

 

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He had a long annoying run with that moniker

 

 

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2 hours ago, smackdaddy said:

Did he get flicked?

not by me!

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42 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

not by me!

Do you still flick? I thought you were done with that.

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20 hours ago, smackdaddy said:

Do you still flick? I thought you were done with that.

Depends on how ridiculous you trolls get

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Heh. I'm a provocative contributor - not a troll. But I guess I better be nicer to you since you still have your finger on the button.

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On 9/17/2019 at 11:32 AM, smackdaddy said:

For someone who lectures others on "semantics" - you sure do a piss-poor job of communicating via the written word. I assume that disaster of a first paragraph means you like to watch 4KSBs? Okay. That's fine. Go do it. I don't c