Israel Hands

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In spite  of having a very satisfactory coastal boat, I find myself on Yachtworld some nights, looking for the boat that I would choose to sail RTW. Am I alone?

My dream:  Boat would not be newer than say 1990. My fantasy involves a strong, well-built boat that is seakindly, handsome, and well appointed. "Classic and tough," not new and gadgetty.

What is the sailboat you you are lusting for?

Here is what I found tonight tonight- 

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/stevens-50-sparkman-stephens-3565981/

1989 Stevens 50 Sparkman Stephens        US$ 199,000*

Hilton Head, SC
 
The good: It's obvious. S&S beauty. Solid FRP. Appears to be very well cared for. No teak on deck. Pure sailing porn. Could fit our liveaboard dream.
 
The bad: Advertised in Hilton Head; stern photo says HI; video shows Delaware. Makes me worry about its history. Bet those windows leak.  I can't afford the asking price - they'd have to come down. Would need offshore leg "volunteers," as wife has said thanks but no thanks to ocean crossings.
 
Invitation to post your latest dream boat...
 
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16 minutes ago, Cwinsor said:

I'll bite. Boreal 52:

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A French design so great that a German bought one!

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2 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

In spite  of having a very satisfactory coastal boat, I find myself on Yachtworld some nights, looking for the boat that I would choose to sail RTW. Am I alone?

My dream:  Boat would not be newer than say 1990. My fantasy involves a strong, well-built boat that is seakindly, handsome, and well appointed. "Classic and tough," not new and gadgetty.

What is the sailboat you you are lusting for?

Here is what I found tonight tonight- 

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/stevens-50-sparkman-stephens-3565981/

1989 Stevens 50 Sparkman Stephens        US$ 199,000*

Hilton Head, SC
 
The good: It's obvious. S&S beauty. Solid FRP. Appears to be very well cared for. No teak on deck. Pure sailing porn. Could fit our liveaboard dream.
 
The bad: Advertised in Hilton Head; stern photo says HI; video shows Delaware. Makes me worry about its history. Bet those windows leak.  I can't afford the asking price - they'd have to come down. Would need offshore leg "volunteers," as wife has said thanks but no thanks to ocean crossings.
 
Invitation to post your latest dream boat...
 

I'm not a fan of this type of cockpit/companionway:

 

 

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A thread of endless potential.  However, for any dream boat much bigger than my current little craft, one must necessarily dream simultaneously of the crew of nubile young cheerleader/sailors who will help me sail it.  

And things...

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Couldn't upload a picture of my newly purchased boat.  I spent lots of time on ya htworld listing after a performance cruiser.

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6 hours ago, Cwinsor said:

I'll bite. Boreal 52:

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I play the same game, and come to the same conclusion, but I think the 47 would be more appropriate...  I liked the Cigales, but the Boreal lifting keel and doghouse look great.

A dedicated mono man, but I've recently been confused by some big multis.

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6 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

1989 Stevens 50 Sparkman Stephens        US$ 199,000*

looks like she's been raced hard and put away wet .

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7 hours ago, slap said:

I'm not a fan of this type of cockpit/companionway:

 

 

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That’s one hell of a bridge deck!

I double hand my 40’er with my brother, so size doesn’t always matter

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5 hours ago, Dogscout said:

Couldn't upload a picture of my newly purchased boat.  I spent lots of time on ya htworld listing after a performance cruiser.

A Hanse 43e and a pic with your dog on your 2008 model from Google Pics.

Dont know if you’re MS or PO, but either way, you got a great boat! Finally got a pic to prove it! Now it’s time to use it and enjoy your life

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pearson 40...  not fond of this color...  but its been taken care of... at nearly twice the cost of other used boats,  it looks brand new

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/pearson-40-3569657/?refSource=enhanced listing

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another option would be a heavy 4-5knsb like a cabo rico 38.    two totally different ends of the spectrum i know..  and the CR38 would probably be better suited to a RTW trip...

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Marcjsmith said:

pearson 40...  not fond of this color...  but its been taken care of... at nearly twice the cost of other used boats,  it looks brand new

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/pearson-40-3569657/?refSource=enhanced listing

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another option would be a heavy 4-5knsb like a cabo rico 38.    two totally different ends of the spectrum i know..  and the CR38 would probably be better suited to a RTW trip...

 

 

 

Be interesting to get the story on that Pearson.  Tons of money and labor on an uncompleted rework.  Sadly, seller is unlikely to get anywhere near asking on what it officially a 39 YO boat despite the quality of the work.  

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RTW? So long as I'm dreaming, I can easily see my wife enjoying this, plus I can invite friends or the kids:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/renaissance-112ft-bruce-king-2872356/

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3 hours ago, Innocent Bystander said:

Be interesting to get the story on that Pearson.  Tons of money and labor on an uncompleted rework.  Sadly, seller is unlikely to get anywhere near asking on what it officially a 39 YO boat despite the quality of the work.  

 it looks like its almost ready ready to sail... but yeah need to complete the kitchen and fresh water system and some electrical.

three extra layers to the hull,  2 triax and one  kevlar...  how was the Pearson 40 when new?

could you spend 40K on an old pearson 40 and and then another 80 to get  what shown.    don't now, but the one listed is blinged out pretty good...

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This is something I think about a lot. I spend more time on yacht porn than any other discretionary activity. Probably spend about 10 hours a week and have been doing so for almost a decade. The dopamine hits I get from looking at boats is the most fun I've had since my wife was attacked/injured in 2011.

If I win the lottery (or receive my civil case judgement), these'd be my top choices:

Jongert 20M

Nordia 65

Kanter 59

I'd like to go to Alaska and Patagonia and stay warm and dry on watch.... Would like to have large fuel capacity, controllable pitch prop, load carrying ability (toys, fuel, food, etc.) Would want to live aboard 3-6 months a year. So space would be key for comfort.

Don't mind heavy. In fact, I'd like it to be heavy in the hope that my wife who needs a cane to walk would be able to join me in port or on calm days...  Would plan on motor sailing when there isn't a  force 6 or greater to move the lead-mine.

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My dream boat is a Sweden 54.  My second favorite is the Hanse 575.

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Right now, at my age, I am just dreaming of a Sailboat that has standing headroom, a reliable diesel, a decent head and galley, a good roller furling system for the headsail, a Dutchman flaking system for the main, a blister free bottom, a mast clearance that allows passage from the Choctawhatchee Bay, through the East pass to the Gulf AND, HAS A PHRF rating somewhat above a Heavy STONE!  ( 150:or better would be nice. ) No catamarans, trimarans please. 

Oh, it has to be affordable:D

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27 minutes ago, Santana20AE said:

Right now, at my age, I am just dreaming of a Sailboat that has standing headroom, a reliable diesel, a decent head and galley, a good roller furling system for the headsail, a Dutchman flaking system for the main, a blister free bottom, a mast clearance that allows passage from the Choctawhatchee Bay, through the East pass to the Gulf AND, HAS A PHRF rating somewhat above a Heavy STONE!  ( 150:or better would be nice. ) No catamarans, trimarans please. 

Oh, it has to be affordable:D

Im selling your perfect boat.  :D

6'9" head room  (check)

Reliable diesel (check)

Has two electric heads, and nice galley (check)

Harken Roller Furler, and electric winches (check)

Has lazy jacks instead of dutchman but close  (half a check?)

Bottom is smooth as a babies bottom  (check)

Mast clearance is ICW approved  (Check)

Has centerboard with only 5' draft.  (Check)

PHRF rating is 83.   This is a skipping stone.   (Check)

Affordable.   I guess that depends on the buyer.  This is a lot of boat for the money (Check).

 

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8 hours ago, Marcjsmith said:

pearson 40...  not fond of this color...  but its been taken care of... at nearly twice the cost of other used boats,  it looks brand new

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/pearson-40-3569657/?refSource=enhanced listing

 

Man, she's clean. Always a good sign when the YW listing has more pics in lockers than of the exterior! Show me the guts!

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2 hours ago, eliboat said:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1963/ted-hood-maas-little-harbor-k-cb-yawl--2384179/?refSource=standard listing

 

Took a peek at this boat while driving through Stonington last Saturday as it was a bit shitty to start my mini cruise.  Lovely boat...I was smitten.  

Photos by Mendlowitz no less!  Pic #2 is a beaut.  

It's too bad ya can't copy/paste photos from Yachtworld...it might help sell a boat from right here on SA. 

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Too expensive

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Too much brightwork

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Price is right, but another refit would kill me

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35 minutes ago, Elegua said:

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Too expensive

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Too much brightwork

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Price is right, but another refit would kill me

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Bottom two are sisterships to my boat.  Awesome ride.  Yes lots of bright work, but I don’t mind.  I get thumbs up wherever I go.  

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3 minutes ago, eliboat said:

Bottom two are sisterships to my boat.  Awesome ride.  Yes lots of bright work, but I don’t mind.  I get thumbs up wherever I go.  

Ah, you have a Seguin? You should post pics so we can drool. 

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6 hours ago, Cruisin Loser said:

So long as I'm dreaming, I can easily see my wife enjoying this, plus I can invite friends or the kids:

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3 hours ago, MauiPunter said:

Im selling your perfect boat.  :D

6'9" head room  (check)

Reliable diesel (check)

Has two electric heads, and nice galley (check)

Harken Roller Furler, and electric winches (check)

Has lazy jacks instead of dutchman but close  (half a check?)

Bottom is smooth as a babies bottom  (check)

Mast clearance is ICW approved  (Check)

Has centerboard with only 5' draft.  (Check)

PHRF rating is 83.   This is a skipping stone.   (Check)

Affordable.   I guess that depends on the buyer.  This is a lot of boat for the money (Check).

 

Mast clearance has to be 47.5 feet to reliably clear the Destin bridge

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20 minutes ago, Elegua said:

Ah, you have a Seguin? You should post pics so we can drool. 

Hah. I’ve tried, but I always get errors

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9 minutes ago, eliboat said:

Hah. I’ve tried, but I always get errors

You just drag a jpeg into the "drag files here" spot. If it's too big, try emailing it to yourself out of the Windows picture viewer, then select a smaller file size when the dialog box pops up.. Easy peasy, and we wanna see. 

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I’m never on my computer.  And I can’t be bothered to be honest.  If I get a chance later I’ll give it a go. 

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i'm liking this one.., geographically undesirable.  Minimaxi 60, Group Finot design. Not sure why double rudders....

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5 hours ago, Santana20AE said:

Mast clearance has to be 47.5 feet to reliably clear the Destin bridge

Ahh, ok.   I thought you meant ICW height.  Gotcha.  :D

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2 hours ago, Raz'r said:

i'm liking this one.., geographically undesirable.  Minimaxi 60, Group Finot design. Not sure why double rudders....

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There are a shite load of those all along southern france and spain.   Reasonably priced for a 60 footer.  I had considered it, but am looking for something newer.

 

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Cruising YW or BoatTrader and drooling is literally a daily pastime with me.  But I thought it was just me.  However I had a great meeting yesterday with a wonderful couple that runs charters in the Chesapeake and Bahamas, trying to set up renting a big boat for the Bahamas next summer- we get to talking, and he does the same thing!  His wife calls it “his boat porn”, and to her credit is only a little exasperated when he tells her there’s a genuine steal in New Guinea they really should just go out and get.  He’s serious.  

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14 hours ago, Santana20AE said:

Pearson 40, one of my dream boats of the ages

I have you covered. She’s been through Choctawatchee Bay out East Pass several times, is fast, nimble and very seaworthy. Located in Pensacola and AFFORDABLE.

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/78875

We are upsizing to either an Amel Maramu 46 or a Stevens 47 just have to sell this first. 

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4 hours ago, MauiPunter said:

There are a shite load of those all along southern france and spain.   Reasonably priced for a 60 footer.  I had considered it, but am looking for something newer.

 

I know we're only dreaming, but when I'm looking at those things I see the state of the sails, think about the replacement cost and wake up.  That's before you get to the partially disassembled engine and the watermaker that's 'currently out of the boat'.

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Regina af Vindo. Classy discrete cruisers.

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When I really let loose with Sandman's Dream Cash,  I start to think about something like this:

https://heymanyachts.com/in-production/yachts/40-pph-pocket-pilot-house-sailing-yacht/

 

Then I start thinking like  Bob P's 'Mr Lucky' and figure, okay, I'll take one for here, one for Maine and one for the Baltic/Norway area....

Then.... I just go do the supper dishes.....

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Something must be wrong with me.  I don't really "lust."

I rarely lust after other homes. Other locations? Occasionally, but only a tiny bit.  My home and property are great. Visitors often tell me so.

I no longer lust after cars. If it hauls my sails, gets close to 40 mpg and lasts close to 300,000 miles at a reasonable price, I'm thrilled. I'd drive a brown turd if it ticked those boxes.

I never peruse YW or even Craigslist boat ads. I love my boat, especially as I customize it for our purposes. Whenever we ponder an upgrade to bigger boats, we shudder at the higher costs and maintenance and realize that what we have, ticks all the right boxes.

Do you know what I want, more than anything?  More time. More time to enjoy my wonderful little home, it its wonderful little neighborhood, and more time to sail my wonderful little boat with my happy, beautiful wife.

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2 hours ago, Veeger said:

When I really let loose with Sandman's Dream Cash,  I start to think about something like this:

https://heymanyachts.com/in-production/yachts/40-pph-pocket-pilot-house-sailing-yacht/

 

Then I start thinking like  Bob P's 'Mr Lucky' and figure, okay, I'll take one for here, one for Maine and one for the Baltic/Norway area....

Then.... I just go do the supper dishes.....

Wow, the Heyman PPH 40 is really nice.

It's not by accident that I've noticed the Bruckmann 50's for sale in Maine. They're finally getting down to my price range and it would be up to me to take my time and sail one around to the west coast if my wife and I bought one. I wish they were more sail and less motor, but the pilot house is such a great feature.

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3 hours ago, Ajax said:

Something must be wrong with me.  I don't really "lust."

I rarely lust after other homes. Other locations? Occasionally, but only a tiny bit.  My home and property are great. Visitors often tell me so.

I no longer lust after cars. If it hauls my sails, gets close to 40 mpg and lasts close to 300,000 miles at a reasonable price, I'm thrilled. I'd drive a brown turd if it ticked those boxes.

I never peruse YW or even Craigslist boat ads. I love my boat, especially as I customize it for our purposes. Whenever we ponder an upgrade to bigger boats, we shudder at the higher costs and maintenance and realize that what we have, ticks all the right boxes.

Do you know what I want, more than anything?  More time. More time to enjoy my wonderful little home, it its wonderful little neighborhood, and more time to sail my wonderful little boat with my happy, beautiful wife.

Then you must drink heavily? :lol: Because, as an ancestor of mine used to say, the sum of a man’s vices is a constant. 

Like you, I don’t lust after cars. Still driving a vehicle that now has 450,000 miles. Still loving the same beautiful lifetime partner for more than 30 years. House? Ready to downsize. But boats...I do lust after a beautiful boat. It’s intriguing , like great art or design or music. Like someone here said, a dopamine switch.

The harsh Realities of checkbook and calendar may indeed pop my dream bubbles. But I defend my right to boat-lust. Onward to yachtworld.com !

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16 hours ago, Mid said:

go away party pooper ...........

I don't read it that way. I think he saying something more along the lines of "life is short, do you want to die rich?"

I know, for me at least, the most fun I've ever had with money comes from philanthropy, boats, and guitars, pretty much in that order. The wife of 40+ years doesn't mind my vices, she has her own, collecting art.  

I would have happily sailed my SW-42 for the rest of my life, she was/is a great boat, but something unexpected popped up. I don't peruse Yachtworld because I'm really, really happy with our current boat. That said, if funds were unlimited (they're not), owning Signe or something similar for a few years for an extended trip could be a lot of fun. 

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16 hours ago, MauiPunter said:

There are a shite load of those all along southern france and spain.   Reasonably priced for a 60 footer.  I had considered it, but am looking for something newer.

 

Why in the hell can't we get cool boats like that more often in the states??  I could live without the cushy seats down below, but it seems like a well thought out and (different in a good way design).  

 

What's it rate??

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40 minutes ago, shaggy said:

Why in the hell can't we get cool boats like that more often in the states??  I could live without the cushy seats down below, but it seems like a well thought out and (different in a good way design).  

 

What's it rate??

It rates in the mid to low 40s I believe.

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12 hours ago, European Bloke said:

I know we're only dreaming, but when I'm looking at those things I see the state of the sails, think about the replacement cost and wake up.  That's before you get to the partially disassembled engine and the watermaker that's 'currently out of the boat'.

Given I'm 1/2 way through replacing the 30 year old engine(old one is out) in my 30 year old boat, and buying new sails, for a 43' boat, I know exactly what you mean. I know I don't have the wallet for something like a 60

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On 9/18/2019 at 11:18 AM, Marcjsmith said:
On 9/18/2019 at 7:56 AM, Innocent Bystander said:

Be interesting to get the story on that Pearson.  Tons of money and labor on an uncompleted rework.  Sadly, seller is unlikely to get anywhere near asking on what it officially a 39 YO boat despite the quality of the work.  

 it looks like its almost ready ready to sail... but yeah need to complete the kitchen and fresh water system and some electrical.

three extra layers to the hull,  2 triax and one  kevlar...  how was the Pearson 40 when new?

could you spend 40K on an old pearson 40 and and then another 80 to get  what shown.    don't now, but the one listed is blinged out pretty good...

It is blinged out and no doubt the owner thinks he's put enough into it to justify the ask.  Reality is it will appraise as a 39 YO production boat and, even worse than hoe renovations, you never see anywhere close to a 1 to 1 return on $$ and time invested.  If an average and decently maintained P40 goes for $50 and a recent refit with a new Beta engine and sailing now is asking $59,  then a near perfect one would be hard pressed to draw $65-70.  $125?  Don't see that as likely.   

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9 hours ago, Ajax said:

Something must be wrong with me.  I don't really "lust."

I rarely lust after other homes. Other locations? Occasionally, but only a tiny bit.  My home and property are great. Visitors often tell me so.

I no longer lust after cars. If it hauls my sails, gets close to 40 mpg and lasts close to 300,000 miles at a reasonable price, I'm thrilled. I'd drive a brown turd if it ticked those boxes.

I never peruse YW or even Craigslist boat ads. I love my boat, especially as I customize it for our purposes. Whenever we ponder an upgrade to bigger boats, we shudder at the higher costs and maintenance and realize that what we have, ticks all the right boxes.

Do you know what I want, more than anything?  More time. More time to enjoy my wonderful little home, it its wonderful little neighborhood, and more time to sail my wonderful little boat with my happy, beautiful wife.

I bought my boat almost exactly 10 years ago.  More than 2/3 of that on the hard and I can't remember a time when I've rowed/walked/driven away and haven't said to myself "man, that's a pretty boat". 

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On 9/18/2019 at 11:18 AM, Marcjsmith said:

 it looks like its almost ready ready to sail... but yeah need to complete the kitchen and fresh water system and some electrical.

three extra layers to the hull,  2 triax and one  kevlar...  how was the Pearson 40 when new?

could you spend 40K on an old pearson 40 and and then another 80 to get  what shown.    don't now, but the one listed is blinged out pretty good...

80 is probably vastly insufficient to get it to that condition. Plus you can’t tell if it has the new rudder or not. 

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16 minutes ago, Elegua said:

80 is probably vastly insufficient to get it to that condition. Plus you can’t tell if it has the new rudder or not. 

It's still not a Hinckley, Little Harbor, Lyman Morse, Sabre,  Tartan, etc.

We used to be slip mates with hull #1.  It's an ok boat, but it was not a groundbreaking design, or they would have sold more. 

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5 hours ago, shaggy said:

Why in the hell can't we get cool boats like that more often in the states??  I could live without the cushy seats down below, but it seems like a well thought out and (different in a good way design).  

 

What's it rate??

I don’t lust for one of these, but I can’t deny I’d love to have the experience to cruise one for a while.  You’d learn a ton. I want many different sailing experiences - solid cruiser for cold high latitudes (have that), cruising the Med, etc; a short singlehanded offshore race like to Hawaii (in something small/affordable like a Moore 24), long distance nonstop ocean crossings, etc.

This one’s on the list.  A bright yellow Open 40, asking $65K, in Portugal.  Crazy fast boat.  Would be nice to have the money to just drop everything and go get it! :-)  Helping to deliver, from Hawaii a few years ago, a Santa Cruz 50 race boat that has been very well kitted out for cruising, opened my eyes to double-digit cruising boat speeds...

https://uk.boats.com/sailing-boats/1996-open-40-7159277/?refSource=standard listing

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39 minutes ago, Cruisin Loser said:

It's still not a Hinckley, Little Harbor, Lyman Morse, Sabre,  Tartan, etc.

We used to be slip mates with hull #1.  It's an ok boat, but it was not a groundbreaking design, or they would have sold more. 

POf course not.  For me the p40 would be a bit of a nostalgic purchase as i spent some summer weekends on one in my formative years.   Granted I spent more time on a hunter 34, but I don’t have the same nostalgia for that design.   

 

Divorce wife, split the house, sell all my possessions buy the boat.  I’d be left with easily half a mill.   Live off 50k a year, and I’d just need to be dead in 10 years...  figure out how to live off 25k a year and stretch it to 20 years before I have to check out...  what could go wrong. Lol.  

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1 hour ago, Cruisin Loser said:

It's still not a Hinckley, Little Harbor, Lyman Morse, Sabre,  Tartan, etc.

We used to be slip mates with hull #1.  It's an ok boat, but it was not a groundbreaking design, or they would have sold more. 

Nope. I’m guilty of the same sin. Even ugly birds need love. 

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2 hours ago, Keith said:

She looks like a serious proper voyaging cat....... light weight, galley up, dagger boards, simple interior, she must sail very well.

Like most cruising cats, the helm(s) is/are an after.thought.  They're stuck behind a wall with a turret like battle slit to view forward, still outside and, if you're lucky, only a sprained ankle  when (not if you jump/step/fall down from the helm some dark night in a seaway when you're in a hurry.  Yes, yes, yes, the inside navigation station is nice for watch keeping on passage----but it's still not handy to the helm, and No, just having an autopilot controller close to hand is Not the same thing.  I've heard the 'you'll just be on autopilot when you're offshore' comment way too often.  There are too many times when you're either not offshore (and it's cold and rainy even in the tropics) or the autopilot acts up, or it needs a little help  during some unanticipated 'excitement'.  A true inside helm has no substitute.  But then, I like Mainecats and Chris White cats for just this reason....

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16 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

Then you must drink heavily? :lol: Because, as an ancestor of mine used to say, the sum of a man’s vices is a constant. 

Like you, I don’t lust after cars. Still driving a vehicle that now has 450,000 miles. Still loving the same beautiful lifetime partner for more than 30 years. House? Ready to downsize. But boats...I do lust after a beautiful boat. It’s intriguing , like great art or design or music. Like someone here said, a dopamine switch.

The harsh Realities of checkbook and calendar may indeed pop my dream bubbles. But I defend my right to boat-lust. Onward to yachtworld.com !

Definitely not dissing anyone else's lust.  :) One way that I scratch the "bigger/different boat" itch is to sail on OPB's.  Most of my friends sail bigger boats, usually in the 40 foot range. This lets me experience different designs, go faster and roll around in bigger cabins. :)  It's a little like cheating, I guess.

We're never dissatisfied when we go back to our own boat, though.

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1 hour ago, Ajax said:

Definitely not dissing anyone else's lust.  :) One way that I scratch the "bigger/different boat" itch is to sail on OPB's.  Most of my friends sail bigger boats, usually in the 40 foot range. This lets me experience different designs, go faster and roll around in bigger cabins. :)  It's a little like cheating, I guess.

We're never dissatisfied when we go back to our own boat, though.

{...note to self...look for friends with bigger boats...:)}   

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11 hours ago, Marcjsmith said:

Divorce wife, split the house, sell all my possessions buy the boat.  I’d be left with easily half a mill.   Live off 50k a year, and I’d just need to be dead in 10 years...  figure out how to live off 25k a year and stretch it to 20 years before I have to check out...  what could go wrong. Lol.

LOL, this is the kind of math you keep to yourself...else you may lose your boat-porn pass at home!:lol:

 

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My version of crazy-math is "if I spontaneously got half a mill ahead of where I am, I'd buy that $100k dream boat."  And that kind of math just cost me $5 overnight playing Cash5 (the pot was over a mill).

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23 hours ago, Ajax said:

Something must be wrong with me.  I don't really "lust."

I rarely lust after other homes. Other locations? Occasionally, but only a tiny bit.  My home and property are great. Visitors often tell me so.

I no longer lust after cars. If it hauls my sails, gets close to 40 mpg and lasts close to 300,000 miles at a reasonable price, I'm thrilled. I'd drive a brown turd if it ticked those boxes.

I never peruse YW or even Craigslist boat ads. I love my boat, especially as I customize it for our purposes. Whenever we ponder an upgrade to bigger boats, we shudder at the higher costs and maintenance and realize that what we have, ticks all the right boxes.

Do you know what I want, more than anything?  More time. More time to enjoy my wonderful little home, it its wonderful little neighborhood, and more time to sail my wonderful little boat with my happy, beautiful wife.

All this.

Have a modest size 33’ boat that’ll take us anywhere in the world.  Once we’ve finished dumping money into rigging, sails, etc. :-)  Live on a great island.  Great family life.

Want more time.  Want to be free from the requirement to work, and a modest income to go sailing.  Without selling my house.

The next time I can see lusting after a boat is when older with more time on my hands - wanting to downsize to something small and fast and simple like a Moore 24/Santa Cruz 27. (I recall many years sitting in an office in Wall Street, lusting after boats - could not wait to get out of there.  There was a Swedish boat, a Vindo 34 (?) in Bundaberg, Australia for sale that I found.  Recently back from a long cruise. Being single then, I thought about quitting my job and “up and going” there  to get it...wonder how that would have turned out...)

All this being said, if a large pile of money fell into my lap, all bets are off!  See post #55 above.  Probably would spend time racing with that, becoming a better sailor.  Get up to doing some long singlehanded ocean crossings in it.  Then, ditch it and get a boat like Pelagic Australis suitable for tucking into shallow anchorages in remote high latitudes.  Lots to explore. After a few years of that, a nice cat for sailing, diving and fishing around the Pacific.

But, looking back at this life full of crazy and incredible sailing adventures I’ve just sketched out, we should probably just sell the house and go with the boat we have...it’ll work!  Which brings me back to time...

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18 hours ago, Cruisin Loser said:

I don't read it that way. I think he saying something more along the lines of "life is short, do you want to die rich?"

I know, for me at least, the most fun I've ever had with money comes from philanthropy, boats, and guitars, pretty much in that order. The wife of 40+ years doesn't mind my vices, she has her own, collecting art.  

I would have happily sailed my SW-42 for the rest of my life, she was/is a great boat, but something unexpected popped up. I don't peruse Yachtworld because I'm really, really happy with our current boat. That said, if funds were unlimited (they're not), owning Signe or something similar for a few years for an extended trip could be a lot of fun. 

CL, you understand what I was saying.  I watched my father die from ALS at a young age, he worked very hard his entire life and passed before he could enjoy the fruits of his labor. 

For us, buying a 61’ boat at a young age was partially motivated by the realization that life is fleeting. Earlier this year we seriously considered an Oyster 655 but didn’t pull the trigger because we want to enjoy sailing this boat for a few more miles. 

But hey, if we’re going to play the game I’ll take one of these with mansions and deep water docks in all the best cruising locations. 

https://pendennis.com/yachts/rebecca/

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2 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

LOL, this is the kind of math you keep to yourself...else you may lose your boat-porn pass at home!:lol:

 

Meh,  she knows  that if she goes be fore me,  I'll end up on a boat , never to be seen again...

2 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

My version of crazy-math is "if I spontaneously got half a mill ahead of where I am, I'd buy that $100k dream boat."  And that kind of math just cost me $5 overnight playing Cash5 (the pot was over a mill).

you've probably wasted more money on lesser things.  but it doesn't hurt to dream

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8 hours ago, Veeger said:

Like most cruising cats, the helm(s) is/are an after.thought.  They're stuck behind a wall with a turret like battle slit to view forward, still outside and, if you're lucky, only a sprained ankle  when (not if you jump/step/fall down from the helm some dark night in a seaway when you're in a hurry.  Yes, yes, yes, the inside navigation station is nice for watch keeping on passage----but it's still not handy to the helm, and No, just having an autopilot controller close to hand is Not the same thing.  I've heard the 'you'll just be on autopilot when you're offshore' comment way too often.  There are too many times when you're either not offshore (and it's cold and rainy even in the tropics) or the autopilot acts up, or it needs a little help  during some unanticipated 'excitement'.  A true inside helm has no substitute.  But then, I like Mainecats and Chris White cats for just this reason....

Actually, she looks like she was very well thought out, and or the designer had 95% of the control over what the owner may have asked for.

I like Whites designs as well, their good voyaging cats.

Usually on a 65' cat like this, the owners crush the design by adding too much stuff, simply because there's so much space.  

The helm positions are very functional because, their elevated for view over the length of the cat, and help tremendously when docking or moving around a big cat in a tight position, you can can close the forward window if you like and there's a closable opening above your head if you want to be out of the weather, and to be able to see the rig and sails, and most importantly, to feel the weather your in, while your sailing. I had a similar position on my last boat, except it was in the center of the cockpit at the same bulkhead, I found it very well thought out by the designer, yes you had to step up to get too it, but we rarely had trouble with getting hurt by the helm position.

I think its very important too be able to steer from a position that has you in the weather just enough to have a much better sense of what conditions your sailing in, and a good view to see the wave patterns and whats happening around you if its getting nasty.

sorry for the side track, back to happy lusting.....

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13 hours ago, Marcjsmith said:

Divorce wife...  what could go wrong. Lol.  

I've been with the same girl since college, I'll be 65 in a couple of weeks. The best thing about having a boat is having her on it. 44 years with her is just a good start. 

My business mentor passed away a couple of years ago at age 90, after 63 years of marriage to an incredible woman. I want that.

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1 minute ago, Cruisin Loser said:

I've been with the same girl since college, I'll be 65 in a couple of weeks. The best thing about having a boat is having her on it. 44 years with her is just a good start. 

My business mentor passed away a couple of years ago at age 90, after 63 years of marriage to an incredible woman. I want that.

im working on year 25.  love my wife to death, it was all tongue in cheek.   shame my wife doesn't have the desire to be on the water like i do.  Into every marriage some sacrifices are made... on both sides.

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52 minutes ago, Keith said:

Actually, she looks like she was very well thought out, and or the designer had 95% of the control over what the owner may have asked for.

I like Whites designs as well, their good voyaging cats.

Usually on a 65' cat like this, the owners crush the design by adding too much stuff, simply because there's so much space.  

The helm positions are very functional because, their elevated for view over the length of the cat, and help tremendously when docking or moving around a big cat in a tight position, you can can close the forward window if you like and there's a closable opening above your head if you want to be out of the weather, and to be able to see the rig and sails, and most importantly, to feel the weather your in, while your sailing. I had a similar position on my last boat, except it was in the center of the cockpit at the same bulkhead, I found it very well thought out by the designer, yes you had to step up to get too it, but we rarely had trouble with getting hurt by the helm position.

I think its very important too be able to steer from a position that has you in the weather just enough to have a much better sense of what conditions your sailing in, and a good view to see the wave patterns and whats happening around you if its getting nasty.

sorry for the side track, back to happy lusting.....

Agreed.  The helms are very functional for all the reasons you describe.  That's not my quibble. For small crews especially, having the place where you are 'on watch' that is isolated from the other folks aboard is a non-starter for me.  I don't want to be 'the hired help' on my own boat, away from conversations, warmth and a comfy spot from which to be on watch.  Being 3-5 steps up or down from the rest of the boat is also a serious safety hazard since often when things are happening, there can be a desire to go quickly from the helm to a snagged line or even to get a cuppa--the injury potential on a lively craft offshore is much increased.  I can't tell you how many times I've leapt from my seat to the helm to disengage the a/p to avoid debris, fishing gear, whatever.  It's always much easier to disengage the autopilot and grab the wheel rather than hit the 10 degree dodge button 3 times to change course quickly...and wait for the helm to move.

So. Sure. Have the outside helm however/wherever you want BUT have a 2nd one inside, rather than just an electronics desk that faces forward.  I know. I'm a wuss.  (I also sail primarily in the PNW where it's never hot, usually on the cool to cold side with high relative humidity so I think about this stuff more...)

I'll leave it alone now...

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I could lust any of the above choices but my oddball pick would be this one for a couple years. This one will need some refit after a rtw and a round South America. I didn't know this model held a Chi Mac record for a while.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001/hunter-hc-50-hc50-3241899/

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Last time I had what I think of as "The Fevah" was maybe a dozen or so years ago, for a Hylas 54. Repeatedly scanned YachtWorld, read everything available, walked the docks and boatyards, dreamed about them, lost sleep, sweated, did and then redid the numbers, literally resulting in heart palpitations and a head buzz like whiffing an amyl nitrate, when I realized that it was technically sort of possible... but only by going more or less all in, and betting everything on a best case life scenario. Walked through a couple (did NOT take my checkbook), agonized over making an offer on one in Virgin Gorda, and finally concluded it would be too much boat, and too much risk. Stuck with the forty footer, which I now think was prudent. The path not taken... c'est la vie. 

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2 hours ago, Cruisin Loser said:

I've been with the same girl since college, I'll be 65 in a couple of weeks. The best thing about having a boat is having her on it. 44 years with her is just a good start. 

My business mentor passed away a couple of years ago at age 90, after 63 years of marriage to an incredible woman. I want that.

True - we're at 39 years, my parents made 61.

The only downside to lifelong marriages is that when one goes the other is just lost - your lives become so entwined that it's like losing your limbs.

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2 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

I could lust any of the above choices but my oddball pick would be this one for a couple years. This one will need some refit after a rtw and a round South America. I didn't know this model held a Chi Mac record for a while.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001/hunter-hc-50-hc50-3241899/

Wow - had no idea Hunter made a boat like that.  20,000lbs is pretty good for 50' cruiser!  Surprisingly shallow draft.  

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On 9/17/2019 at 8:55 PM, Israel Hands said:

In spite  of having a very satisfactory coastal boat, I find myself on Yachtworld some nights, looking for the boat that I would choose to sail RTW. Am I alone?a

 

No.  Absolutely, no.  But it sometimes gets me depressed.  There was this Little Harbor 44 that had me thinking about becoming a bankster so I could afford it.

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1 hour ago, socalrider said:

Wow - had no idea Hunter made a boat like that.  20,000lbs is pretty good for 50' cruiser!  Surprisingly shallow draft.  

I think that was a production version of Thursday's Child - Warren Luhrs personal boat that he sailed to beat the old clipper record from New York to S.F. when he owned Hunter.

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Jon, this was a lot of years ago, but I remember trying to talk my dad into buying a Hunter 50.  I remember trying to sell him on the dinghy garage that boat had.  IIRC, it was a new model (maybe mid to late 70s?) and went for $150K brand new.

FWIW, my dad looked at me like I was crazy.

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1 minute ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Why? 

Cuz I want this.  And it's in Marsh Harbor, Bahamas

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8 minutes ago, Jules said:

Cuz I want this.  And it's in Marsh Harbor, Bahamas

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Easy - want something else. :-)

Or, make it happen.  

But you could probably achieve your sailing goals with something else, no?

Seriously, though, focusing on something you “can’t” have is no good!  My serious advice for the week :-). (If only I could follow it!)

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

Cuz I want this.  And it's in Marsh Harbor, Bahamas

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I'm thinking maybe it WAS in Marsh Harbor.  At the very least, I doubt it's in as good condition as this photo might represent....

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2 minutes ago, Veeger said:

I'm thinking maybe it WAS in Marsh Harbor.  At the very least, I doubt it's in as good condition as this photo might represent....

I know.  :mellow:

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8 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

True - we're at 39 years, my parents made 61.

The only downside to lifelong marriages is that when one goes the other is just lost - your lives become so entwined that it's like losing your limbs.

Brenda and I are going on 46 years. We get on likevPaul Newman and Joann Woodward. ( read between the lines:D ). 

Yet I wonder what one of us would do without the other.  We’ve been together so long that we think so much alike, it would seem we have telepathic powers. 

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On 9/19/2019 at 1:07 AM, Cruisin Loser said:

RTW? So long as I'm dreaming, I can easily see my wife enjoying this, plus I can invite friends or the kids:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/renaissance-112ft-bruce-king-2872356/

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Ahhh, beautiful SIGNE -This was my cabin when I was captain on her back in the 90's.

 

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8 hours ago, charisma94 said:

Ahhh, beautiful SIGNE -This was my cabin when I was captain on her back in the 90's.

 

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My God - what kind of a dream life have you lived??  That’s not a cabin...it looks like some kind of movie set for Liz Taylor...including a full size toilet...and two-ply!

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