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Cruise Ships: blessing or curse?

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1 hour ago, Sailbydate said:
"We go over avalanche rescue procedures..and, We ski over to Lónafjörður".
I don't think so.

I"m headed there in April, not doing the live on a boat thing... seems a sure way to spend a lot of time in wet clothing. We are using heli assisted touring... combo heli skiing and ski mountaineering... glaciers involved. Skiing on glaciers is like many other things in life, dangerous without the proper training, approach, caution and understanding. Same part of Iceland as the link.

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Short op ed with some startling numbers..

Canada is in for a grey bloom in our demographics, as are some other places, the market will grow.

 

" Cruise ships around Europe’s coasts emitted 10 times more sulphur compounds in 2017 than all 260 million European cars did. "

" The triumph of Deng Xiaoping’s economic policies, for example, showed that to get rich is indeed glorious — 10.5 million Chinese travelled abroad in 2000, and 145 million did so in 2017. By 2030, the authors predict, the number will be 400 million. "

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/11/14/Overtourism-British-Columbia/

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Simple fix - don't let the passengers ashore except to arrive and leave - otherwise they have to stay on the ship and look at the scenery.

Local vendors want to sell to them will have to paddle out to the ships to sell their wares.

Works on a smaller scale in lots of places. :D

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3 hours ago, Lono said:

I"m headed there in April, not doing the live on a boat thing... seems a sure way to spend a lot of time in wet clothing. We are using heli assisted touring... combo heli skiing and ski mountaineering... glaciers involved. Skiing on glaciers is like many other things in life, dangerous without the proper training, approach, caution and understanding. Same part of Iceland as the link.

Far too strenuous for me, Lono. Have a wonderful experience. Enjoy.

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39 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Simple fix - don't let the passengers ashore except to arrive and leave - otherwise they have to stay on the ship and look at the scenery.

Local vendors want to sell to them will have to paddle out to the ships to sell their wares.

Works on a smaller scale in lots of places. :D

OK if you want to just look at scenery and buy more shit, SJB. But if you want to experience the culture...?

Otherwise, might as well stay at home and go to the local casino, no? All the bling you can experience, for a fraction of the cost.

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2 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

" The triumph of Deng Xiaoping’s economic policies, for example, showed that to get rich is indeed glorious — 10.5 million Chinese travelled abroad in 2000, and 145 million did so in 2017. By 2030, the authors predict, the number will be 400 million. "

I think they were all in northern Italy three years ago.

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3 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

OK if you want to just look at scenery and buy more shit, SJB. But if you want to experience the culture...?

Otherwise, might as well stay at home and go to the local casino, no? All the bling you can experience, for a fraction of the cost.

Experience the culture? :lol:

Cruise ship passengers? :lol:

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3 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

OK if you want to just look at scenery and buy more shit, SJB. But if you want to experience the culture...?

If they wanted to experience the culture, they wouldn't be on a cruise ship. They'd be dressed like the locals, speak the local language (primary one for multilingual countries) and do their best to blend in as much as possible.

Obviously a Caucasian type in Outer Mongolia is going to be a bit conspicuous.

FKT

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34 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Experience the culture? :lol:

Cruise ship passengers? :lol:

Well...when you put it like that. It does seem a little unlikely. ;-)

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7 hours ago, Sailbydate said:
8 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Experience the culture? :lol:

Cruise ship passengers? :lol:

Well...when you put it like that. It does seem a little unlikely. ;-)

Going on a cruise ship is like going to the zoo, except the people doing it don't realize that they're actually the monkeys in the cage and paying for the privilege

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I thought they were lab rats in a virus experiment.

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Cruised down the Nile in the late 90s on a 80 passenger, really good time. Valley of Kings, walkable small towns, climbed Cheops at midnight, (met some nice Egyptians in uniforms with guns) not recommended today I suppose 

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Just now, Rasputin22 said:

Anyone try this cruise? I was a short video on TV and it looked like pretty good alternative to the expense of flying to Europe for a river cruise there.

 

 

https://www.americancruiselines.com/cruises/alaska-and-pacific-northwest-cruises/columbia-and-snake-rivers-cruise

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Not much to see but desert for most of it.

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34 minutes ago, Kenny Dumas said:

Cruised down the Nile in the late 90s on a 80 passenger, really good time. Valley of Kings, walkable small towns, climbed Cheops at midnight, (met some nice Egyptians in uniforms with guns) not recommended today I suppose 

Sailing down the Nile on a biggish felucca would be pretty relaxing I think.

Guns & terrorists & malaria etc. aside that is.

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45 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Not much to see but desert for most of it.

You don’t actually see any “desert,” or even the sub-arid steppe part, since the rivers are down in the bottom of canyons through most of that bit. These are the cruises that I mentioned a couple of times above - some of them stop in our marina for the night.  There are about seven or eight boats on that route - three or four of them do it regularly and the others after the Alaska season.  I thought they’d normally be done for the season, now that the snow has started, but I saw one of them yesterday.

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Come to think of it, the Bonneville lock was closed for emergency repairs for several weeks at the end of the summer and messed up everybody’s schedule.  It’s possible that they might be doing “make-up” cruises now.  

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On 11/8/2019 at 8:07 AM, Bull City said:

Please give us a report.

Ok so here goes

The cruise was exceptional. Not your typical diamond merchant to diamond merchant tour with 6000 of you newest overweight (or soon to become overweight) friends . Only 200 Pax. Well worth the price of admission

There were 18 of us from our YC so it was fun. 

Pax were +- 40% North American. 60% European. UK, German, French, Italian. 

Officers were mostly Eastern European. Great fun to talk to and ate with the passengers most meals. Single dining room so everyone eats together. 3 bars, Tropical... biggest and the hub. Piano Bar and Pool Bar. Booze was reasonable $4.00 for a beer (or a 3 finger pour of Mount Gay XO from our favourite Bar Man)

Ship was awesome... a true sailing vessel. 48 sails on 5 masts (2 x V16 cats to a single CPP would move her at 15knts if needed but Captains preference was always to sail.) Schedule reflected this with many shortish overnight sails to next port. 

Neat feature was the Marina Deck which opened up from the transom creating a dock and swim platform any time we were at anchor. Kayaks SUP's and even a couple of laser picos available for use.

Winds were light in the windward islands (Sebastien shut off the trades) be we had a few good sailing days later in the southern Caribbean. Needs 10 to sail but come alive 15-20 plus.

Most of the square sails and some of the fore and aft sails are on hydraulic furlers. 2 guys can take all the sail off her in 30 mins or so. Watch the 2 4-8 AB's do this multiple times as we approached ports.

1st sailaway from Bridgetown with Vangelis' Conquering Paradise (from movie soundtrack 1492) playing as the sails were hoisted was spine tingling.

Ports were good as we rarely went to the mega ports. +- 50-50 Alongside vs Anchor off. Of course everywhere there were locals selling trinkets but felt better the money going direct to locals rather than the typical large diamond corporations, duty frees and Chinese Tat stores. 

Didn't do any tours... preferred to rent a car and travel independently. Exception was a self arranged tour in Cartagena arranged through www.toursbylocals.com Highly recommend this approach... our guide was great and took us off the beaten path. Uber in Panama City is outstanding and super cheap.

Too many highlights to mention them all... 1st Sailaway out of Bridgetown, Sailing off the anchor in Santa Marta Columbia. Spinning the ship in its own length in the cut at Willemstad Curaco without tugs, and without scratching the late Paul Allen's mega yacht Tatoosh. (I swear the bowsprit was over the dockside warehouses) Accessibility to Bridge deck any time! (They roped it off when conning ship but you are still right there) San Blas Islands in Panama.

Would I do it again Hell yes !!! (Have to save some pennies though)

PM if you need specifics

 

VM

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^^ I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I took this three years ago from Giudecca (part of Venice). We were in a building several stories high (drinking IIRC).

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Pics like that will become collectible now that those monstrosities have been banned from Venice.

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Any thoughts about the White Island, New Zealand disaster? The cruise line should have been aware of the alert status.

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4 hours ago, Bull City said:

Any thoughts about the White Island, New Zealand disaster? The cruise line should have been aware of the alert status.

There's a whole thread on it.

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4 hours ago, IStream said:

Interesting article here on the economics of building new cruise ships versus stretching older ones:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-04/why-cruise-lines-keep-cutting-their-ships-in-half-for-stretching?mc_cid=17970e9ab5&mc_eid=e41cebafd4

Nothing new there - they've been doing that to our ferries as long as I can remember.

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A couple of things surprised me.

1. A 30 year old ship can get 20 more years of useful life out of the legacy infrastructure on board

2. That re-powering makes such a difference in fuel usage. I know the modern engines are far cleaner and that overcomes a regulatory burden but I didn't expect a huge increase in efficiency. Then again, they didn't provide any numbers so maybe it's not that huge.

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I will give a full review of my 5 star Amsterdam river small ship cruise after we do in April.

I'll have my road bicycle aboard for day rides. We have a large suite with a private veranda. Everything is included.Rhine-River-Cruise-Amsterdam.jpg

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