Vendee Globe 2020

[Varan 1,693]

^ in that case, 600nm in one day should be easy.

[stief 3,499]

But . . .  maybe over 7 hrs, "since last report" ? That would make more sense.

EDIT--deleted the junk in previous post

[Rafael 246]

Last sched showing young Padawan Dalin covering the fast coming peloton with more pressure coursing SSW until the Ice Exclusion Zone, the new annoying and determinant strategic companion for the fleet all around the globe till Cape Horn (!!). This IEZ wall is going to add some painfull starboard stress and deep shit into the sailors for 13.000 miles... MFG

After some moments of speed the last hours, things don't look any good for DarthVader, not at all... everyone around doubling his speed the last 4 to 8 hours... I wanna be positive and cautious, maybe he is nursing his spaceShip and thinking about the long term... but it looks like his huge effort and the repairs didn't hold and he is struggling to keep his race afloat again... (Time to keep going no matter what or how and keep selling his corporative empire brand for the pre/christmas consumist frenzy... till mooring somewhere (...))

Man... The VG is his dark fate... his dark monster, his almost reachable, but untouchable summit... FUCKkkkk (againnn)!

[Ripclaw 27]

Alex and Boss are flying now; according to The Hub, his max speed in the last hour was 24.9 knots.

[Rafael 246]

 

9 minutes ago, Rafael said:

Last sched showing young Padawan Dalin covering the fast coming peloton with more pressure coursing SSW until the Ice Exclusion Zone, the new annoying and determinant strategic companion for the fleet all around the globe till Cape Horn (!!). This IEZ wall is going to add some painfull starboard stress and deep shit into the sailors for 13.000 miles... MFG

After some moments of speed the last hours, things don't look any good for DarthVader, not at all... everyone around doubling his speed the last 4 to 8 hours... I wanna be positive and cautious, maybe he is nursing his spaceShip and thinking about the long term... but it looks like his huge effort and the repairs didn't hold and he is struggling to keep his race afloat again... (Time to keep going no matter what or how and keep selling his corporative empire brand for the pre/christmas consumist frenzy... till mooring somewhere (...))

Man... The VG is his dark fate... his dark monster, his almost reachable, but untouchable summit... FUCKkkkk (againnn)!

PD. Maybe Im totally wrong and the numbers/data received from the outdated and delayed tracker are playing with my brain...

His speed is now up to 24.9 Knts... !

[Miffy 2,124]

Is there a way to minimize the bandwidth of the screenshots? I appreciate the avante garde story telling but it does a number of mobile platforms.

[stief 3,499]

Agree. The forum used to limit uploads (<100 KB?)  but now allows 7.9 MB. Will try downsizing my screenies tomorrow to save valuable thread space.

[Rafael 246]

39 minutes ago, Miffy said:

Is there a way to minimize the bandwidth of the screenshots? I appreciate the avante garde story telling but it does a number of mobile platforms.

Ehmmm... 528Kb is the total precise weight of my last post (0.5Mb)...(2 JPGs and 1 mp4 saved to HD not screenshots that increase the weight by a lot) that's not too much bandwith consuming weight??...I don't know about mobile platform/s here? I'm on a PC... hey!, thanks for your compliment!, much appreciated And sorry for the avant garde story telling annoyance... (  )

[jack_sparrow 7,469]

59 minutes ago, blunderfull said:

Some drift but, been meaning to ask where’s that yellow foiler, new for ‘16 VG, that rich Dutch oil magnate strolled around in?   The uniforms reminded me of (for...umm some reason) his back story.

Him and his family go to forget pile. Fabrice Amedeo bought it renamed Newrest - Art & Fenêtres currently 25th and the last foiler other than Kojiro and Jerem. Placing tradition continues. 

[Hitchhiker 774]

Methinks there are still problems in the land of Boss. The last two updates have him in single digit numbers for boat speed.  His 0400 is 8.37 but he should be doing 19 plus!  Heading looks good though. 

 

[Rafael 246]

1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

"What is Hugo Boss..Don't know anyone  who owns a Hugo Boss suit"

Guys maybe there is not a HB store in your neighbourhood and they don't see you as a potential customer?

 

Fuck ..and this thread was renown for being free of misinformation.

Bespoke means 'custom-made'.

The last time Hugo Boss did 'bespoke' was from their 'Ready for War' and 'At War' collections.

It is now off the shelf.

 

Now if you want to go 'bespoke' I can secure you a much sought after appointment with my Saville Row tailor in London, Henry Poole & Co. James Poole started out patching up uniforms during the Napoleonic wars. 

It was one of their 'bespoke' bathing suits, mine dressed heavily to one side of course, that I was wearing the other day, watching my new girlfriend exit the water...or was it Ursula...they all look the same. 

[shaggybaxter 1,573]

25 minutes ago, Rafael said:

In the presence of Ms Ursula, I fear Rafael has a more refined and cultured viewpoint than I....

 

[tallyho 83]

I have not seen HB running with the bow this high out of the water in previous checks. (not often I admit) But it seems he is sailing more "bow up" than before. SO waves or trimming the foils to reduce slamming in the damaged area?

[Rafael 246]

36 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

Methinks there are still problems in the land of Boss. The last two updates have him in single digit numbers for boat speed.  His 0400 is 8.37 but he should be doing 19 plus!  Heading looks good though. 

 

I thought the same, but his black spaceShip is smoking (last 2 reports max speed in last 2 hours), I think the data race HQ transmiting is poor, delayed and outDated...

Boris is moving much faster also in his real time data HUB (the speed data delay is probably about 2 to 3 hours if not more...)

(Total weight post 690Kb... for the record and the avant garde story telling Super Anarchist fans...)

[Ripclaw 27]

Boss' max speed in the last hour has increased slightly:

[Rafael 246]

48 minutes ago, shaggybaxter said:

In the presence of Ms Ursula, I fear Rafael has a more refined and cultured viewpoint than I....

I love her glasses (!) and her Hendrix foxy guitar choice... alltough Jacko's new girlfriend is a bit (just a bit) more spicy and exotic...

[SCARECROW 550]

47 minutes ago, Ripclaw said:

Boss' max speed in the last hour has increased slightly:

I love the descriptions on the accelerometer especially the one when he’s at less than 1.1g. “Like standing at sea level on the equator”

[blunderfull 441]

Boris having fun swinging ‘n swaying.    Easy......not.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIFd4cRoecZ/?igshid=2kho02qjw71k

[yl75 1,004]

Thomas has cut his port foil, not entirely, and not saying by how much exactly :

https://www.vendeeglobe.org/fr/actualites/20581/thomas-ruyant-j-ai-coupe-mon-foil

 

[Ripclaw 27]

1 minute ago, SCARECROW said:

I love the descriptions on the accelerometer especially the one when he’s at less than 1.1g. “Like standing at sea level on the equator”

Yep, as it conveys some idea of what the g-forces are like.

 

[tallyho 83]

Ruyant has performed surgery;

Ruyant said this morning “It was a busy night trying to get out of the centre of the anticyclone and to the south where I will be soon I hope. It is all good and sorted on board. Yesterday morning I climbed my mast to finish sorting the little problem at the top of my mast and got to work on my port foil. I cut a bit to limit its power. It was quite fragile, it was cracked. And so we took the decision to reduce the power. There is a bit left that comes out the hull. But it is done, it is the Vendée and this is not my specialism. It was not easy. I cut two metres from the tip.”

[Hitchhiker 774]

@Rafael I’m posting data based on standings. So point a to point b. I suppose their lat and lon data could be incorrect. But why?

[Rafael 246]

Do anybody has a Marine Traffic acount to see real time speed data?? 

In screen West to East North to South, HB, Sam, KingJean, Ruyant and Dalin...

[nasil2nd 88]

Latest speed data according to marinetraffic scraped data, for the few boats i am following:

APIVIA------->LAT:   -41.933 LON:  -11.9323, SPEED: 23.2, HEADING:  73, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 08:31:00
CAM---------->LAT:  -35.1921 LON:  -16.5051, SPEED: 15.7, HEADING: 152, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 08:33:00
LINKED------->LAT:  -37.5345 LON:  -14.7562, SPEED: 12.8, HEADING: 176, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 08:35:00
INITIATIVE--->LAT:  -38.2355 LON:   -24.356, SPEED: 16.3, HEADING: 112, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 07:34:00
BURTON------->LAT:  -38.8784 LON:  -23.8454, SPEED: 20.9, HEADING: 108, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 07:34:00
BOSS--------->LAT:  -36.7719 LON:  -24.4315, SPEED: 22.0, HEADING: 116, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 08:38:00
ARKEA-------->LAT:  -37.1071 LON:  -21.8074, SPEED:  9.4, HEADING:  86, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 07:33:00

[Rafael 246]

Just now, nasil2nd said:

Latest speed data according to marinetraffic scraped data, for the few boats i am following:

APIVIA------->LAT:   -41.933 LON:  -11.9323, SPEED: 23.2, HEADING:  73, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 08:31:00
CAM---------->LAT:  -35.1921 LON:  -16.5051, SPEED: 15.7, HEADING: 152, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 08:33:00
LINKED------->LAT:  -37.5345 LON:  -14.7562, SPEED: 12.8, HEADING: 176, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 08:35:00
INITIATIVE--->LAT:  -38.2355 LON:   -24.356, SPEED: 16.3, HEADING: 112, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 07:34:00
BURTON------->LAT:  -38.8784 LON:  -23.8454, SPEED: 20.9, HEADING: 108, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 07:34:00
BOSS--------->LAT:  -36.7719 LON:  -24.4315, SPEED: 22.0, HEADING: 116, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 08:38:00
ARKEA-------->LAT:  -37.1071 LON:  -21.8074, SPEED:  9.4, HEADING:  86, ELAPSED: 2020-11-27 07:33:00

GRACIAS! (confirmed, that outdate and delay in race's HQ serving data to the public is a big bullShit... they keep the solo sailors calmed and not glued to their respective screens for sure, but is very difficult to follow properly in a real time world...) Again THANK YOU

[Rafael 246]

46 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

@Rafael I’m posting data based on standings. So point a to point b. I suppose their lat and lon data could be incorrect. But why?

Seems the response to your question is Race HQ's political protocol, rules, control... they will have their own reasons, and are not interested in showing LIVE data of the solo sailors (for their tranquility, race mode and possible mind game & decisions). I bet we are seeing 3 to 5 hour delayed data (if not more)

[Rafael 246]

51 minutes ago, yl75 said:

Thomas has cut his port foil, not entirely, and not saying by how much exactly :

https://www.vendeeglobe.org/fr/actualites/20581/thomas-ruyant-j-ai-coupe-mon-foil

 

It was clear he had to better amputate than leave unstable and fucked structure w/ much danger to his hole boat integrity. So now he will be praying and searching for Northern pressure for his starboard foil, staying in front of the southern trains on port tack... (a tad less complicated than last time for AT quest for staaaaarboard tack).

Poor Thomas, last edition a clusterfuck collision w/ a container near Australia, and now the 3 Capes + the whole S and N Atlantic amputated... He's fighting for his VG victory the hard way too...

[k-f-u 119]

21 minutes ago, Rafael said:

54 minutes ago, yl75 said:

Thomas has cut his port foil, not entirely, and not saying by how much exactly :

https://www.vendeeglobe.org/fr/actualites/20581/thomas-ruyant-j-ai-coupe-mon-foil

 

It was clear he had to better amputate than leave unstable and fucked structure w/ much danger to his hole boat integrity. So now he will be praying and searching for Northern pressure for his starboard foil, staying in front of the southern trains on port tack... (a tad less complicated than last time for AT quest for staaaaarboard tack)

he cut away 2 metres. So there should be still some surface left 

https://www.adonnante.com/50627-course-au-large-imoca-vendee-globe-2020-etre-rapide-plus-longtemps/

[Rafael 246]

No good... better clean until it's base keeping drag reduced... so now probably all the Dali foilers in the fleet are concerned and wondering about this... (also the C foils Arkea and HB of course, but to their advantage they can retract more, almost totally... )

[Ripclaw 27]

Boss seems to be smoking along!

 

[SCARECROW 550]

Just now, Ripclaw said:

Boss seems to be smoking along!

 

turns out the previous sched was a ghost in the machine.  He was cruising along with the others

[Rafael 246]

3 hours ago, Miffy said:

Is there a way to minimize the bandwidth of the screenshots? I appreciate the avante garde story telling but it does a number of mobile platforms.

I know you will also appreciate this...

3 hours ago, stief said:

Agree. The forum used to limit uploads (<100 KB?)  but now allows 7.9 MB. Will try downsizing my screenies tomorrow to save valuable thread space.

To minimize the bandwidth and save valuable thread space..., optimize your screenshots to an indexed color depth of field or pallete, and please remember to not press the play button to the attached YouTube videos (!!) , the copy/paste screenshots are heavy if you don't optimize them as described, alltough they are minimal compared to the buffer the videos will suck to your local or mobile devices/platforms. (my 2 cents)

Merci, Thanks or Gracias & Bon Jour, Good Morning or Buenos Dias comrades

[Herman 1,206]

3 hours ago, Miffy said:

Is there a way to minimize the bandwidth of the screenshots? I appreciate the avante garde story telling but it does a number of mobile platforms.

Will try to post smaller pics. I have 500 mbps up and down glasfiber and a gigabit network at home, but that does not go for the rest of the world 

[SCARECROW 550]

51 minutes ago, k-f-u said:

he cut away 2 metres. So there should be still some surface left 

That's a pretty arbitrary decision.  There is no way you could determine the appropriate amount of foil to cut off based on photos of a cracked structure.  How long before he cuts more away or it breaks right off?

[LeoV 2,169]

Finally Dalin pointing in the right direction.
Somebody knows if you can see a 3d globe on Windy ?

[minca3 191]

Boris climbing the mast. Another one with halyard lock problems (also Karver?). Is this now the 5th boat with halyard lock problems?

 

 

[yl75 1,004]

16 minutes ago, SCARECROW said:

That's a pretty arbitrary decision.  There is no way you could determine the appropriate amount of foil to cut off based on photos of a cracked structure.  How long before he cuts more away or it breaks right off?

It's mainly the shaft that is fucked up from what he said, not the tip/exterior part, and I guess he discussed where to cut whis his team/architects.

I wonder if he will also do some "repairs" on the shaft part.

[SCARECROW 550]

Just now, yl75 said:

It's mainly the shaft that is fucked up from what he said, not the tip/exterior part, and I guess he discussed where to cut whis his team/architects.

I wonder if he will also do some "repairs" on the shaft part.

exactly.  The shaft is damaged so they have cut off some tip to reduce loads.  You're a better engineer than me if you can tell from a photo of a cracked solid (or close to it) carbon structure what % it has been weakened and therefor decide how much to cut off.  Remember, from an engineering point of view the outside skins do most of the work so how deep are the cracks? This is very different to the maths done for Alex Thompson where it was a case of working out the shear strength of a de-laminated bond or putting more carbon on a skin than what was there before.

[minca3 191]

"it felt strange when I hooked the gennaker, so I made sure I could unhook. But I couldn't. After many tries I went up the rig  ... I could unhook it but it was quite an effort"
 

 

[JonRowe 671]

 

Quote

 

Morning! Here’s a quick update for you from our Technical Director, Ross Daniel:

“Yesterday evening, Alex decided to take advantage of the light conditions to further reinforce the repairs that he has done onboard HUGO BOSS in order to increase the safety factors before he enters the Southern Ocean.

“To do this, he had to slow the boat down slightly so that he could work in relatively stable conditions. With the new weather front crossing the fleet today, which will carry them south, Alex knew that last night would be his last opportunity to complete this reinforcement.

“This morning we’ve been able to take a good look at the work that Alex did overnight. It looks good and we are very happy with what he has been able to do.

“Alex is now back into racing mode and is preparing for the Southern Ocean”.

 

Alex's lack of speed yesterday was from more repairs apparently (from Facebook post by the team: https://www.facebook.com/AlexThomsonRacing/posts/5358504667496875).

[Rtfq 12]

10 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

What even is Hugo Boss/what do they sell?  I seriously only know it as a VG boat!  Guess it doesn’t matter - publicity is publicity, amd they could start selling, say, bottled drinks branded Hugo Boss, and stick up a million Internet banner ads, and I’d (statistically) be inclined to buy that bottled drink... :-)

You've not noticed the kitchen-clean white tee shirts AT wears for the videos?

[JonRowe 671]

3 minutes ago, Rtfq said:

You've not noticed the kitchen-clean white tee shirts AT wears for the videos?

Do you reckon he has a whole kit bag full to keep up appearances all the way around?

[Herman 1,206]

Weather update

So what happened last night? The LP-zone came along and reshuffeled the leaderboard already. Looking at the 08:00 schedule this morning in pic 1, you can see I have added 3 columns to calculate VMG speed divided by boatspeed in order to get the percentage per boat. Also added conditional formatting on the columns so the colors indicate how the boat performs against the fleet. So what gives? The top-3 (Dalin, Ruyant, Le Cam) had low VMGs in the past 24 hrs, since the last schedule at 04:00 and in the last 30 mins before the 08:00 timestamp. They had relatively low boatspeeds too, as they were still closest to the HP-zone moving east. Ruyant was drifting in the past 24 hrs, probably due to his repairs on his foil. But I would expect him to pick up speed again, which he did not yet, he was drifting at 1,8 kts. But boat speeds for the top 3 are higher than earlier forecasted.

Numbers 4 to 6, Bestaven, Escoffier and Herrmann had relatively low VMGs too in the past 24 hrs, but have improved since the 04:00 schedule. And nice boat speeds too.

Number 7, Simon, had a high VMG in the past 24 hrs, but for boat speed is in between the previous group and the next one. Bit stuck in the middle.

Nrs 8 to 12, Burton, Davies, Pedote, Seguin and Thomson, had the highest VMGs in the past 24 hrs. Nice boat speeds too, and the highest boat speeds in the last 30 mins before timestamp due to the new wind filling in. Speeds around 18-19 kts except for Davies @ 16 kts who could be playing it a bit more safe - she did not go as far south as Burton did.

On JLC's route I had an idea of his navigation strategy. He stays within +/- 100 nm of the greatcircle of the optimum routing around the Cape of Good Hope, since crossing the equator. Only 1 exception due to the SACZ which forced him a bit further from that greatcircle. So he has no additional miles to go compared with the foilers who are al over the map. The HP-zone expanding in the coming days towards Capetown would make this more difficult.

So now al the chess pieces have moved to their preferred location, time for weather routing. Now the situation is a bit less dynamic, GFS and ECWMF seem to align more. GFS has the LP-zone a bit more to the east than ECWMF. Dalin has already tacked and is heading 80 degrees, for a nice AWA and also not to get too close to the AEZ and the 30 kts steady winds that follow with the LP-zone in the coming days at his latitude. Dalin is most to the south of the fleet, offering a shorter path east as his great circle is smaller than on a higher latitude. Globe thingy. The routing towards The Kerguelen Islands are in the GFS-forecast horizon of 10 days, so no OpenCPN climate plugin needed. This enhances reliability of the routing. 

Pic 2 has the routing table. And pics 3 to 13 the top 13 boats routings. Projected outcome; Dalin extending on Ruyant. Le Cam gets company from Escoffier, Burton and Bestaven with all 4 the same ETA and +/- 12 hrs later than Dalin. After this group, Herrmann, Davies and Simon a couple of hours later than the previous group. Thomson after this group, a day later ETA projected than Dalin. And finally, Seguin, Dutreux and Pedote projected after Thomson. So if this pans out, the fleet is compressing towards The Kerguelen Islands. This LP-zone will carry enough winds, gusts up to 40+ kts and steady winds up to the mid 30s kts. 

So now I head for the market, have a nice vrimibo!

 

 

 

[Rafael 246]

In this LIVE a few days ago team manager for LinkedOut talks about the Ruyant's foil problem... also the IMOCA president Mr Mermod, saying almost nothing concrete to Andy's questions (technical comitee and managers engineers, designers just working on the new rules of the next race... looking the AC...studying, etc. and building IMOCA circuit for the next 4 years with the OR (VOR) Transat and RdRum) the only certain thing he mentions is that there is going to be a limit in the sizes and costs of the foils for the next 2024 edition...

[Potter 646]

2 hours ago, Rafael said:

No good... better clean until it's base keeping drag reduced... so now probably all the Dali foilers in the fleet are concerned and wondering about this... (also the C foils Arkea and HB of course, but to their advantage they can retract more, almost totally... )

Surely that is not the case for Boss, they have fences on their foils, so how would they retract?

[Rafael 246]

5 minutes ago, Potter said:

Surely that is not the case for Boss, they have fences on their foils, so how would they retract?

[minca3 191]

TR cutting the foil:
 

 

[Potter 646]

8 minutes ago, Rafael said:

I had heard they were added prior to the start, but maybe I am thinking of someone else.

[nogetwe 11]

I would have liked to see how he recovered that foil tip. I think Marcus Hutchinson mentioned in the Vendee Globe live that they would 'obviously' recover it instead of dumping a large piece of carbon in the ocean.

 

Hugo Boss added the fences just before the start I believe.

[Bebmoumoute 779]

They added the fences in Les Sables, bit lastminute.com

[b3nharris 84]

Just now, nogetwe said:

I would have liked to see how he recovered that foil tip. I think Marcus Hutchinson mentioned in the Vendee Globe live that they would 'obviously' recover it instead of dumping a large piece of carbon in the ocean.

 

Hugo Boss added the fences just before the start I believe.

Same. But really looks like they didn't make any attempt to bring it back on board - nothing rigged up before he started cutting. Not a massive fan if that was the case - the boat wasn't in immediate danger (cf Alex cutting the keel on Hugo Boss) and seems like the risk of collateral damage was if they kept racing with it. e.g. a retirement and slow sail to Cape Town = no need to cut the foil

[Potter 646]

3 minutes ago, b3nharris said:

Same. But really looks like they didn't make any attempt to bring it back on board - nothing rigged up before he started cutting. Not a massive fan if that was the case - the boat wasn't in immediate danger (cf Alex cutting the keel on Hugo Boss) and seems like the risk of collateral damage was if they kept racing with it. e.g. a retirement and slow sail to Cape Town = no need to cut the foil

Recovery would have been relatively simple (he said from his nice dry, stationary desk!). Drill a hole through the outboard part, pass a line through and tie a stopper knot (they carry a spare sheet at the very least), cut, slow, recover the ditched section.

Disappointing if they did not do this.

[The Tug 8]

Should something go wrong for the leader we'd have one hell of a boat race to watch.

[Snowden 281]

1 minute ago, Potter said:

Recovery would have been relatively simple (he said from his nice dry, stationary desk!). Drill a hole through the outboard part, pass a line through and tie a stopper knot (they carry a spare sheet at the very least), cut, slow, recover the ditched section.

I expected them to at least rig up some kind of recovery system for the camera...

[Rafael 246]

43 minutes ago, Potter said:

I had heard they were added prior to the start, but maybe I am thinking of someone else.

Departure day in the channel with the fences added and the foils retracted I believe to the max (almost totally). I also believe heard somewhere that the dali foil boats potentially reached more max speeds but they were more exposed and less versatile than the C ones from HB and ARKEA

[Applespider 0]

1 hour ago, JonRowe said:

Do you reckon he has a whole kit bag full to keep up appearances all the way around?

On one of his videos, pre-fix, he said he hadn't actually showered yet unlike some of the other videos showing both laundry and showers underway.  Suspect there's a rotation policy - wear the uber-clean one when doing a video before switching back to a muckier one and it should last a bit longer.

[Rafael 246]

Some more data added to the tracker/s

[Potter 646]

53 minutes ago, Rafael said:

 

Departure day in the channel with the fences added and the foils retracted I believe to the max (almost totally). I also believe heard somewhere that the dali foil boats potentially reached more max speeds but they were more exposed and less versatile than the C ones from HB and ARKEA

Yeah, I think it is a case of me thinking 'almost totally' is not 4ft sticking out. I guess it is relative to the other foils.

[stief 3,499]

3 hours ago, LeoV said:

Somebody knows if you can see a 3d globe on Windy ?

Deprecated 3 years ago in Windy, but might be back

(The 2016 VG tracker had the option to switch between 2D/3D)

[Rafael 246]

27 minutes ago, Potter said:

Yeah, I think it is a case of me thinking 'almost totally' is not 4ft sticking out. I guess it is relative to the other foils.

Any prob! Potter, I should have been more precise and said quite more than the Dali's. I've also thought about the oscilation inertia with the C foils retracted in heavy seas... they are pretty heavy, and this could be a real problem with strong slamming and movement of the boat if they are completely out of the water (even with forwardings). Here we can see the configuration mode of Alex's winward foil retracted in tropical Storm Theta (not sure if he can retract it even more)

[tallyho 83]

9 minutes ago, stief said:

Deprecated 3 years ago in Windy, but might be back

(The 2016 VG tracker had the option to switch between 2D/3D)

try this https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-23.96,-9.16,544

[Ripclaw 27]

[stief 3,499]

Yes, really liked using nullschool. but too much work to display the fleet  lat longs there. Used to be they were the only way to easily display ocean currents. Too (IIRC), they were a key part of bringing the animated weather patterns  we see in Windy and the trackers today.

[WLIS Jibing 268]

TR’s manager was on the English live. He was not asked whether the cut off foil tip was recovered. As someone who knows almost nothing about engineering, it was interesting that cutting off the tip only was the best solution here. 

[Rafael 246]

6 minutes ago, Ripclaw said:

He's been Smoking! for several hours... ideal conditions (according to his environment in 1,64 meter max wave height...)

[tallyho 83]

no comments on the latest update?? who is the slowest in the top 15 on the latest?

[b3nharris 84]

9 minutes ago, Rafael said:

He's been Smoking! for several hours... ideal conditions (according to his environment in 1,64 meter max wave height...)

 

Yeah... but in the last 30 minutes before reporting his average speed dropped to 7.1kts (in 17kts of wind) and he bore away downwind ~20 degrees. Could be a wind hole? Or nothing? Or...

[k-f-u 119]

1 minute ago, Rafael said:

He is Smoking!!... ideal conditions (according to his environment in 1,64 meter max wave height...)

In the last 4h he's not any faster than Giancarlo Pedote to windward who should actually be in less wind. So quite a few boats are smoking

[tallyho 83]

slowest of all around him by 5kn +

[Varan 1,693]

Meanwhile, back aways, someone had a decent 24hr run.

[Rafael 246]

14 minutes ago, b3nharris said:

Yeah... but in the last 30 minutes before reporting his average speed dropped to 7.1kts (in 17kts of wind) and he bore away downwind ~20 degrees. Could be a wind hole? Or nothing? Or...

Someone with Mtraffic showing real time data ?? (trust no more the tracker delay)

14 minutes ago, k-f-u said:

In the last 4h he's not any faster than Giancarlo Pedote to windward who should actually be in less wind. So quite a few boats are smoking

Indeed!~ the Southern Train blast stampede for the main peloton... and Dalin (fastest w/ 85 miles last 4 hours)

[European Bloke 423]

Various references here to not discarding bits of cut off foil in the ocean.  While I agree with the sentiment it's not that clear cut.  Failing to cut the foil off could leave significantly more detritus in the ocean if the worst happened.

Recovering the end could be quite difficult. Can you get a line onto it without climbing out onto the foil?

Climbing onto the foil could be a significant risk to the crew. Climbing onto a broken foil could be even more dangerous.

So let's keep things in perspective, we'd rather not lose the end of the foil, but it's much better than losing the whole boat or the man.

[JonRowe 671]

5 minutes ago, European Bloke said:

Recovering the end could be quite difficult. Can you get a line onto it without climbing out onto the foil?

Did you watch the video? He climbed out onto the foil to cut it off.

[Ripclaw 27]

42 minutes ago, b3nharris said:

Yeah... but in the last 30 minutes before reporting his average speed dropped to 7.1kts (in 17kts of wind) and he bore away downwind ~20 degrees. Could be a wind hole? Or nothing? Or...

[European Bloke 423]

14 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

Did you watch the video? He climbed out onto the foil to cut it off.

I didn't see that video, I'll have a look for it thanks.  Did it show him obviously losing the end of the foil?

[Your Mom 973]

Editing the video to stop just before the cut was completed makes it pretty clear to the viewer that they knew showing it splash into the water would face criticism.

Does he potentially face a penalty for that?  My first thought when the video abruptly cut away was that he didn't want to be penalized.

Also wondering...  how hard is it to cut a foil?  I figured a material strong enough to lift a boat would be almost impossible to cut, but...  he seemed to have no trouble getting through it.  That surprised me.

[JonRowe 671]

2 minutes ago, European Bloke said:

I didn't see that video, I'll have a look for it thanks.  Did it show him obviously losing the end of the foil?

T 1:50 onwards.

[JonRowe 671]

I make no judgement, the video just shows him cutting into the foil without a line on the tip, he might have recovered it? It doesn't show it if he did.

[Rafael 246]

32 minutes ago, Varan said:

Meanwhile, back aways, someone had a decent 24hr run.

Shame he is not at the front with the leaders (they had 500 mile runs in that same body of water in different conditions), really interesting to observe what that boat can do in heavy southern seas, hopefully we'll see

[Miffy 2,124]

He didn’t recover it. In the end it’ll have less environmental impact than the buoys being tossed into the ocean. 

[nasil2nd 88]

Even if he did not recover it, wouldn't it just sink to the bottom of the ocean anyway?

[b3nharris 84]

14 minutes ago, Ripclaw said:

Data shows different things. Hub shows max speed from 1300 to 1400. Tracker shows average speed from 1300 to 1330. So an explanation *could* be that he hit 22.8kts at 1301, then slowed dramatically after that. Or he had an average speed of 21 kts for from 1300 to 1310, and then stopped dead for the next 20 minutes. Or a whole load of other scenarios. Only thing we can tell was that he slowed a lot at some point. Maybe he's sped up again since?

[stief 3,499]

18 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

Does he potentially face a penalty for that? 

Yes. Financial (penalty code 0). SI 19

EVACUATION OF WASTE

Respecting the environment is a fundamental value for the Vendée Globe. Competitors must not throw their waste overboard, except for that which is biodegradable. In accordance with the OSR, waste must be kept on board until competitors disembark.

[minca3 191]

4 minutes ago, b3nharris said:

Data shows different things. Hub shows max speed from 1300 to 1400. Tracker shows average speed from 1300 to 1330. So an explanation *could* be that he hit 22.8kts at 1301, then slowed dramatically after that. Or he had an average speed of 21 kts for from 1300 to 1310, and then stopped dead for the next 20 minutes. Or a whole load of other scenarios. Only thing we can tell was that he slowed a lot at some point. Maybe he's sped up again since?

latest Hub data: 23,7kn (from 15:00 UTC)

[blunderfull 441]

Pip’s sailmakers: A visit to One Sails ( East) .

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIFwDJUAHqw/?igshid=1oktch2mujiaq

[k-f-u 119]

Doesn't look like a clean cut or finish, so I wouldn't be surprised if the stump degrades more over time and litters the sea. When Alex came back last VG, there was nothing left of the stump.

[Corryvreckan 168]

4 minutes ago, stief said:

Yes. Financial (penalty code 0). SI 19

EVACUATION OF WASTE

Respecting the environment is a fundamental value for the Vendée Globe. Competitors must not throw their waste overboard, except for that which is biodegradable. In accordance with the OSR, waste must be kept on board until competitors disembark.

 

I can imagine possibly getting clearance from the race committee for this before cutting the tip if it was thought to be necessary for safety.  This seems to fall in the grey area between cutting away a dismasted rig to protect the boat, and tossing a candy wrapper overboard.  Climbing right out to the tip to rope it would have meant juggling more tools, or making multiple trips.  It already looked adventurous enough in that flat calm.  Can't imagine having to do it in the deep south.

[stief 3,499]

Good "executive summary" of this moment in the race

Quote

And this is it. The Roaring Forties now last a long time. From here to the exit at Drake’s Passage at the very tip of South America, there are 12,000 lonely miles between the yellow bow of Dalin’s Apivia – and Cape Horn. He is now well ahead of a peloton which now extends more than 1,000 miles back to Stéphane Le Diraison (Time for Oceans).

. . . . 

And so it will be early next week before the fleet takes a shape which, all things being equal, will be the imprint for the next month in the south. Already thousands of miles separate Dalin from the tribe off Brazil. Amedo, Barrier and Merron. The North Atlantic made the cracks, the South Atlantic opened them much further.

 

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